[Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service

[tarmi]

You need to understand that Burnin is just the middle man. He can't control when he'll receive the Avalon chips and he stated this clearly.  When you purchased your Avalon chips you accepted this risk. My order was delayed over 60 days. While this sucks, I don't blame burnin at all as he didn't have anything to do with this. You paid him to have components ready to assemble the boards once those Avalon chips came in. It's not like he can just go down the street and return these components as the pcb boards were probably already made up and electronic components are sold on reels typically which would have been purchased.

As far as Bitfury chips go, why shouldn't he get involved. He has a company that needs to make money. Both chip manufacturers are separate and he has no vested interest in either one besides selling fully assembled boards and turning a profit.

No, you dont have to explain anything to me. I am really tired of third party explanations.

All I need now is answer to my question: HOW MUCH money will I get from my order. If he ordered some parts for my order, he can ship them along with my refund.



He is free to get involved in whatever he finds interesting, but he should find time to answer to his customers that paid in advance for his services of producing boards for (now obsolete) avalon chips.

[eraziel]

I understand that we're talking about a significant sum of money here, but I am not really sure you have any grounds to ask for a refund.

The way i see it you have two options - let him wait to receive your chips and put them on your boards or ship you the boards with no avalon chips on them.

No refunds either way.

I'm not saying he's not going to give you a refund of some sort, I'm saying that you don't have a reason to ask for one.

[maxmint]

I think tarmi just tries to get a definite answer from burnin – and nobody else but burnin can give this answer.
We all know burnin is really busy, but answering customers questions within a reasonable timeframe (48 hours?) should be standard when running a business.

[tarmi]

I think tarmi just tries to get a definite answer from burnin – and nobody else but burnin can give this answer.
We all know burnin is really busy, but answering customers questions within a reasonable timeframe (48 hours?) should be standard when running a business.

I sent an email on August 20th.

[hanz]

I paid burnin in advance because I expected the Avalon chips to arrive soon, and I did not want to have any delays because of payment delays. Seems like a bad decision afterwards. I should at least have waited until the chips had arrived. But at that time, nothing was known about the problems @Avalon.

I also (pre)paid btcfpga.com for an asic miner (the project was cancelled). Bummer.
I paid Butterfly labs for a Single - the very LATEST product to ship in their line (see other threads). Bummer.

Is this some kind of lottery or did I simply make bad decisions?
Why are other people mining with FPGA's despite having ordered later?

The only thing that is paying off for me now is running these old fashioned power hungry GPU cards with scrypt coins.

Did Avalon sell their early batches which were paid for by ME and other partakers in SebastianJu's group buy to higher bidders? Or to the mafia? Who knows.
(See other threads, yes, I know.)
Sometimes I am glad I have other worries, too.
Whining. Yes. Sorry about that.

[iikun]

I think tarmi just tries to get a definite answer from burnin – and nobody else but burnin can give this answer.
We all know burnin is really busy, but answering customers questions within a reasonable timeframe (48 hours?) should be standard when running a business.

I sent an email on August 20th.

my advice would be to submit another ticket. He seems to be dealing speedily with them, perhaps your one fell thru the cracks.  I don't think you should expect a fast reply via this thread due to the number of posts here.

[studrn]

I think tarmi just tries to get a definite answer from burnin – and nobody else but burnin can give this answer.
We all know burnin is really busy, but answering customers questions within a reasonable timeframe (48 hours?) should be standard when running a business.

I sent an email on August 20th.

Surprising German punctuality, I wrote in the email 12,17,26 August no answer greetings. I apologize for the Google translator.

[eros]

All I need now is answer to my question: HOW MUCH money will I get from my order. If he ordered some parts for my order, he can ship them along with my refund.

He is free to get involved in whatever he finds interesting, but he should find time to answer to his customers that paid in advance for his services of producing boards for (now obsolete) avalon chips.

Component value is quite minimal. Only posible valuable thing is position to get avalons board with tested build.

I can offer for your positions (if they are real - need to check from burning) of total 30 board all with 20 avalons (I send avalons to burning) total 1500eur.
I can send money to burning and him can refund you. In this case I trust burning more than you. And he is busy - do customer post in night ~3.00 (time to he should sleep).

Do you accept? And this offer is valid only 12hrs.
I can iban money to burning tomorrow in bank time.

[scotjam]

I paid burnin in advance because I expected the Avalon chips to arrive soon, and I did not want to have any delays because of payment delays. Seems like a bad decision afterwards. I should at least have waited until the chips had arrived. But at that time, nothing was known about the problems @Avalon.

I also (pre)paid btcfpga.com for an asic miner (the project was cancelled). Bummer.
I paid Butterfly labs for a Single - the very LATEST product to ship in their line (see other threads). Bummer.

Is this some kind of lottery or did I simply make bad decisions?
Why are other people mining with FPGA's despite having ordered later?

The only thing that is paying off for me now is running these old fashioned power hungry GPU cards with scrypt coins.

Did Avalon sell their early batches which were paid for by ME and other partakers in SebastianJu's group buy to higher bidders? Or to the mafia? Who knows.
(See other threads, yes, I know.)
Sometimes I am glad I have other worries, too.
Whining. Yes. Sorry about that.

Sorry to hear about all of that - it is bound to happen to a lot of people, because anyone who was not in the first batches of avalons missed out (BFL = undelivered; avalon = delayed; asicminer = tough to make ROI) unless they kept their powder dry right up until KnC / bitfury "became mainstream" (and let's be honest - we all have expectations here, but they haven't delivered yet...).

I'd say almost anyone who has tried to get into the mining game in the last year or so will have either a near-miss or a sad story to share.  We all took the risk, and most of us lost out. I feel really bad for the people who forked out 20k+ on mining equipment during this period... http://angelitominer.atwebpages.com/

[tarmi]

Component value is quite minimal. Only posible valuable thing is position to get avalons board with tested build.

I can offer for your positions (if they are real - need to check from burning) of total 30 board all with 20 avalons (I send avalons to burning) total 1500eur.
I can send money to burning and him can refund you. In this case I trust burning more than you. And he is busy - do customer post in night ~3.00 (time to he should sleep).

Do you accept? And this offer is valid only 12hrs.
I can iban money to burning tomorrow in bank time.

no

[eros]

Here's pics of all the damaged boards. It's pretty obvious the box was thrown around and even though it was intact you could tell

Most boards have broken part 1(choke coil?). Its a through hole so I can solder that no problem

One board has cracked part 2 (haven't powered it on yet, I may later today on a separate smaller psu).

Four boards have damaged capacitor part 3

One board has damaged part 4

Put parts reference (white paint on pcb). Big power inductor is
L2 0.47UH, 20%, 30A IHLP4040DZERR47M11
L26  1.5UH 10A 20%  SPM6530T-1R5M100
C522 470UF, 25V, 105°C EEEFP1E471AP

Hope burnig dosn't got angry about nda, but it save one support ticet from him.. And thing should go GPL later and that information is quite easy aqquire from board pictures anyway..

[eros]

no

It is answer for your questions how much you get back. Next ~5.45hrs 1/2 of amount, after that maybe nothing?
You bought something - look valuable when bought. Not any more. I have same broblem but I have not lost my patience.

So please don't pollute that thread any more for refunds. You got your answer.

[SebastianJu]

I really don't get the logic of certain people. So they ordered dozens of boards, payed a couple thousands of dollars for them but dont have the money for a second hand lousy Asus EeePC for example and yet they choose to mine on RPi ? I mean c'mmon....
All of that for what, 20 W more than RPI? Or 80 $ more is too much?

Not everyone has only 5 miners. And you dont want to put a notebook into a rented colocation server rack and waste much space with it.
Maybe you only dont know how cheap an rpi is. Why buying a more expensive and bigger computer? The task is simple that has to be done.
I dont really see why you think the notebook is better.

[SebastianJu]

I really don't get the logic of certain people. So they ordered dozens of boards, payed a couple thousands of dollars for them but dont have the money for a second hand lousy Asus EeePC for example and yet they choose to mine on RPi ? I mean c'mmon....
All of that for what, 20 W more than RPI? Or 80 $ more is too much?

Not everyone has only 5 miners. And you dont want to put a notebook into a rented colocation server rack and waste much space with it.
Maybe you only dont know how cheap an rpi is. Why buying a more expensive and bigger computer? The task is simple that has to be done.
I dont really see why you think the notebook is better.

To each their own, really. Some like the RPi solution, some people want a lappy. Back and forth over apples and oranges doesn't do anyone any good. 

It might be a "like" for some but for some its not a possible choice. Thats what i wanted to state.

[tarmi]

no

It is answer for your questions how much you get back. Next ~5.45hrs 1/2 of amount, after that maybe nothing?
You bought something - look valuable when bought. Not any more. I have same broblem but I have not lost my patience.

So please don't pollute that thread any more for refunds. You got your answer.

Burnin, is that you?

If not, why dont you mind your own business?

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In other news: Zefir is declaring "an endgame".

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.msg3029465#msg3029465

[mjb]

With ASICMINER today announcing blades for as low as 3.5BTC, it appeared that Avalon chips that do not mine today are not going to break even any more. While those blades went already out of stock after some hours, the new price for mining rig is officially set. Essentially this means that if Avalon does not ship the remaining chips fully within the next two weeks, they become worth less than their shipping costs.

After reading the above in another thread I would like to ask whether burnin could offer some kind of upgrade option for existing and paid Avalon orders to BitFury chips - in a way that he retains his well-deserved profit, of course.

It is really a pity that his excellent work is overshadowed by Bitsyncom's inability to keep its promises.

[eros]

Burnin, is that you?

If not, why dont you mind your own business?

I am not burning. Only person who give you offer which you answered no.

Burning don't have time to mail/talk he is busy in assembling boards. He had got more chips as you shoud know. He 1st. priority is do assembly and ship boards to people. After that is done he maybe have time to talk - or use time to develop bitfury chips. But next 1-2month he is ~100% busy in assembly / postage things. Right?

[CumpsD]

"hre Amazon.de Bestellung von "TaoTronics® TT-CM01 3,5..." wurde versandt!"

LCD screen on the way, thanks to Sebastian's tip

[SebastianJu]

"hre Amazon.de Bestellung von "TaoTronics® TT-CM01 3,5..." wurde versandt!"

LCD screen on the way, thanks to Sebastian's tip

Dont forget the cinch-cable to connect both the monitor and the rpi...

[CumpsD]

"hre Amazon.de Bestellung von "TaoTronics® TT-CM01 3,5..." wurde versandt!"

LCD screen on the way, thanks to Sebastian's tip

Dont forget the cinch-cable to connect both the monitor and the rpi...

Right, should have one (or more) of those lying around somewhere, since they always include them with everything and I never use them

Male-Male RCA if I'm correct