[Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service

[Its About Sharing]

Seven "Complete BitBurner XX Modules with attached heat-sink" for sale

We´ve placed two orders with very low (!  ) order numbers at http://www.burninmining.com. As we´ve already requested refund from zefir for the avalon chips we intend to sell these orders to people who have avalon chips but haven´t placed a order for a bitburner yet.

order #324:
- 5 x Complete BitBurner Module with attached heat-sink (20 chips per board)
- 2 x CAN-BUS Stacking cable
- standard shipping

price: €673.54

order #339
- 2 x Complete BitBurner Module with attached heat-sink (20 chips per board)
- standard shipping

price €279.65

Whoever is interested may send my a pn.
This offer is only valid under the condition that burnin allows a transfer of his orders.

I'll take the second one (2X20) if Burnin allows it, but don't you need the stacking cable? Will wait for confirmation from Burnin though.
Also, todays price is 267.75 with heatsinks, stacking cable, standard shipping & VAT. Did prices change?
IAS

I'm going to wait till all this straightens itself out. Retracting that "bid".

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[tarmi]

I have 30 preordered boards.

#4xx

[finnzwerg]

I am sorry to heare that you will stop selling to endusers

But I think that is the best way for getting high quality products developed in hamburg - germany.
Because you can concentrate on getting the the new boards running and in production.
Can't wait for the new boards =)


Guys remember everything Burnin rufunds to you is a gift

This still isn't clear to me.

I don't understand, if Burnin isn't accepting orders and some people need refunds (but only at 50%), why not allow people (like me and others looking for assembly) the
ability to take on the orders from others? I think that makes us happy (we get the boards and assembly) and a few people get more than the 50% refund amount.

Burnin - Can you comment on things please as the message has been mixed thus far?

Thanks for all your work. I know this is rough for many, if not the majority, of people involved. From the GB participants, organizers and all the way up the chain to you.

It's About Sharing

from a producer point of view I can understand why he won't change adresses in orders:

Have you any idea how long it would take to change XXX Orders? Or have you considered the consequences if somthings mixes up with the order? We are not talking about parcel with value of less than 100€ we are talking about tousend or even tenthousends of euros.

from a coustomer point of view
I understand you - a possible solution is that you looking for a buyer (with Avalonchips) who lives in the same country and make a private deal with him. So you only have to worry about one adress. you have to pay one additional shipping cost

but beside the small amout of additional cost you get everything back and burnin gets his order - win win situation

@tranquille
He has done his work realy well   everything he gives back is a gift...

[g83]

I also have 30 preordered Boards + 3PCB + Stackingcable -

ordernr. 7## = 4.305,35 EUR

PM if you are intrested

[DebitMe]

I would like to see what Burnin says about transferring orders, I have already submitted to Sebastian that I changed to a refund (request submitted today) but IDK if it can be done now, so I might still be stuck with 200 chips.  I would need 10 boards (20 chips ea) and willing to pay 60% of original price (you get 10% more than you would have).  Of course this is all contingent on Burnin allowing transferring of orders. 

[glungnahund]

Seven "Complete BitBurner XX Modules with attached heat-sink" for sale

We´ve placed two orders with very low (!  ) order numbers at http://www.burninmining.com. As we´ve already requested refund from zefir for the avalon chips we intend to sell these orders to people who have avalon chips but haven´t placed a order for a bitburner yet.

order #324:
- 5 x Complete BitBurner Module with attached heat-sink (20 chips per board)
- 2 x CAN-BUS Stacking cable
- standard shipping

price: €673.54

order #339
- 2 x Complete BitBurner Module with attached heat-sink (20 chips per board)
- standard shipping

price €279.65

Whoever is interested may send my a pn.
This offer is only valid under the condition that burnin allows a transfer of his orders.

I'll take the second one (2X20) if Burnin allows it, but don't you need the stacking cable? Will wait for confirmation from Burnin though.
Also, todays price is 267.75 with heatsinks, stacking cable, standard shipping & VAT. Did prices change?
IAS

The "€279.65" for order #339 is exactly what we paid:
- 2 x boards = € 249,90
- shipping: € 29.75 (incl. VAT) via Standard

sum: €279.65 (Includes €44.65 VAT)

Did not notice any price changes, but cannot fully exclude it.

The CAN cable may a) either be added to this order (if burnin agrees) or b) may be bought somewhere else (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179769.msg2807146#msg2807146).

[RoelVB]

Hey burnin,

I wonder if you could put for every discounted bitfuryburner you may sell 1 useless pcb of a bitburner in. As I understood these parts are wasted anyway for paid preordered assembly, I'd like to get over this and have something I can put on my wall. It's still sexy as hell 

offtopic:
Maybe one day my grandchildren will ask "Grandpa, what is it?" - It's an almost finished bitcoin miner, it cost me a fortune and would mine up to 9 gh/s.. "But grandpa, even my watch mines 100x that speed! It's sooo slow" - back then it would mine 0.2btc/day or so when it should have been delivered "Thats a fortune!  " - 

I laughed my ass off, thanks

[CumpsD]

Funny, people trying to sell their bitburner order at 100%

If they don't sell it, they get 50%
Why not just settle for selling it at 60% or 70% to increase chances?

Ah well, economics, meh

[AniceInovation]

Is there somebody that has supplied chips on time and is not satisfied by the product delivered to him or the way issuses have been handled in case there have been issues present?

I'm getting quite tired of all these "GIVE ME ALL MY MONEY BACK" nonsense. If i was burnin i'll just ship the bitburner boards with no chips to you and kindly ask you to send them back for completion upon being able to supply the chips to be placed on them. YOU ALWAYS KNEW that when your order gets completed is dependent partially on the time when your chips are available to be mounted. So now, due to your disability to deliver on time you see that the service that you paid for is not viable for you anymore and you are asking for refunds?

What if I go to a jeweller tomorrow and order a diamond ring with the condition that I later on provide the diamond stone for it?
I get a quote, i pay for it and the jeweler starts working on it straight away so that it will be ready ASAP and he can just fit the stone when I provide it.
Several weeks later I call the guy and tell him that I'm not going to be able to provide the stone, for whatever reason, and therefore I DEMAND to get 100% of my money paid back.
That surely sounds like it's going to happen, for sure.

Why the fuck did you order boards before making sure that your chips will be available for placement?
For one reason and one reason only: to have an earlier placed order so that you can get your boards ASAP and make more profit on them.
You might have just as well waited for your chip supplier to inform you that the chips are on the way to them and placed the order at that time.
But you didn't.

Is it really that hard to accept the facts and realize that it's your fault and not burnin's?

+1 billion of a trillion.
Deal with it.

[glungnahund]

Funny, people trying to sell their bitburner order at 100%

If they don't sell it, they get 50%
Why not just settle for selling it at 60% or 70% to increase chances?

Ah well, economics, meh

burnin refunds 50% now and 20% in 2-4 weeks. Thus, altogether 70%.

If nobody offered already paid bitburners to people who have chips but no order these people were screwed and the price would even go beyond 100%.

tl;dr 100% is a fair price

[mastahofdesastah]

@ Burnin

Instead of trowing away the pcb's. Why u dont accept assembly orders for cancelled ones?
Seems enough peoples, have chips, but no order by you.

I have 320 chips in SebastianJU's Batch 1, that needs an assembly.

Whats the solution?
Sharing between the users and changing the delivery adresses?
So we create a win-win-win situation.

Or we can place orders for already ordered Chips?
refunds with losses, trowing away pcb'etc.

Or you stop totaly with the orders.
And all will loose...

Thx
Mastah

[lemonte]

@ Burnin

Instead of trowing away the pcb's. Why u dont accept assembly orders for cancelled ones?
Seems enough peoples, have chips, but no order by you.

I have 320 chips in SebastianJU's Batch 1, that needs an assembly.

Whats the solution?
Sharing between the users and changing the delivery adresses?
Or we can place orders for already ordered Chips?

Thx
Mastah

I have orders and no chips, think there's quite a few who'd do a trade.

[mastahofdesastah]

The question is, if burning allow us to it privately, and allow us to change the adresses.

Or he takeover the process.

And the worst: he said none of both

[iikun]

Hey burnin,

I wonder if you could put for every discounted bitfuryburner you may sell 1 useless pcb of a bitburner in. As I understood these parts are wasted anyway for paid preordered assembly, I'd like to get over this and have something I can put on my wall. It's still sexy as hell 

offtopic:
Maybe one day my grandchildren will ask "Grandpa, what is it?" - It's an almost finished bitcoin miner, it cost me a fortune and would mine up to 9 gh/s.. "But grandpa, even my watch mines 100x that speed! It's sooo slow" - back then it would mine 0.2btc/day or so when it should have been delivered "Thats a fortune!  " - 

I laughed my ass off, thanks

I'd pay an extra couple of bucks for this. They'd make interesting geeky coasters for my table if I can't find a place on the wall lol

Also, I have order #34X:
8x 20chip board +heatsink
2x stacking cable
Express shipping
I'd take reasonable offers close to 100% (I won't bother replying to stupid offers thx)

*sorry if this is seen as off-topic btw, but I feel it's better to try & shift existing orders to people who haven't ordered rather than simply cancel altogether & go thru refund drama.

[RoelVB]

Is there somebody that has supplied chips on time and is not satisfied by the product delivered to him or the way issuses have been handled in case there have been issues present?

I'm getting quite tired of all these "GIVE ME ALL MY MONEY BACK" nonsense. If i was burnin i'll just ship the bitburner boards with no chips to you and kindly ask you to send them back for completion upon being able to supply the chips to be placed on them. YOU ALWAYS KNEW that when your order gets completed is dependent partially on the time when your chips are available to be mounted. So now, due to your disability to deliver on time you see that the service that you paid for is not viable for you anymore and you are asking for refunds?

What if I go to a jeweller tomorrow and order a diamond ring with the condition that I later on provide the diamond stone for it?
I get a quote, i pay for it and the jeweler starts working on it straight away so that it will be ready ASAP and he can just fit the stone when I provide it.
Several weeks later I call the guy and tell him that I'm not going to be able to provide the stone, for whatever reason, and therefore I DEMAND to get 100% of my money paid back.
That surely sounds like it's going to happen, for sure.

Why the fuck did you order boards before making sure that your chips will be available for placement?
For one reason and one reason only: to have an earlier placed order so that you can get your boards ASAP and make more profit on them.
You might have just as well waited for your chip supplier to inform you that the chips are on the way to them and placed the order at that time.
But you didn't.

Is it really that hard to accept the facts and realize that it's your fault and not burnin's?

+1

I hope this will help people to understand. Burnin did a great job trying to deliver the board as quick as possible.

[ecliptic]

Burnin is an exemplary person whose poured a massive amount of time, effort, sweat and blood into this and it's sad that it came to this due entirely to Avalon's actions (or inaction)

I am hoping that ragingazn's group buy gets the chips refunded - if so, i have a 5XX order for 28 complete bit burner modules - if these are sellable/transferrable and someone wants to buy them, i'm open to all offers, otherwise, whatever refund is possible is good

[RoadStress]

I hope this will help people to understand. Burnin did a great job trying to deliver the board as quick as possible.

Yes burnin did a great job, bun unfortunately thanks to BitSyncom now he won't sell to end-users. Thank you BitSyncom. burnin i hope everything will turn out ok for you too with the grumpy people and personally i don't have a problem with the 50-70% refund and i fully understand you.

[burnin]

@ Burnin

Instead of trowing away the pcb's. Why u dont accept assembly orders for cancelled ones?
Seems enough peoples, have chips, but no order by you.

I have 320 chips in SebastianJU's Batch 1, that needs an assembly.

Whats the solution?
Sharing between the users and changing the delivery adresses?
So we create a win-win-win situation.

Or we can place orders for already ordered Chips?
refunds with losses, trowing away pcb'etc.

Or you stop totaly with the orders.
And all will loose...

Thx
Mastah

Changing around all the existing orders will be more work then accepting new ones for the people that have chips but no boards.
I still accept orders for the avalon based bitburners for a short while, that statement mainly refers to future board generations.
And It is possible to sell orders that have not been refunded to someone else.

[Its About Sharing]

@ Burnin

Instead of trowing away the pcb's. Why u dont accept assembly orders for cancelled ones?
Seems enough peoples, have chips, but no order by you.

I have 320 chips in SebastianJU's Batch 1, that needs an assembly.

Whats the solution?
Sharing between the users and changing the delivery adresses?
So we create a win-win-win situation.

Or we can place orders for already ordered Chips?
refunds with losses, trowing away pcb'etc.

Or you stop totaly with the orders.
And all will loose...

Thx
Mastah

Changing around all the existing orders will be more work then accepting new ones for the people that have chips but no boards.
I still accept orders for the avalon based bitburners for a short while, that statement mainly refers to future board generations.
And It is possible to sell orders that have not been refunded to someone else.

Thanks for the clarification Burnin,

Keep on keeping on and good luck, we will be there,
IAS

[glungnahund]

Based on burnins clarification we´ve modified our offer:

Seven "Complete BitBurner XX Modules with attached heat-sink" for sale

We´ve placed two orders with very low (!  ) order numbers at http://www.burninmining.com. As we´ve already requested refund from zefir for the avalon chips we intend to sell these orders to people who have avalon chips but haven´t placed a order for a bitburner yet.

order #324:
- 5 x Complete BitBurner Module with attached heat-sink (20 chips per board)
- 2 x CAN-BUS Stacking cable
- standard shipping

price: €572.51 (85% of the original price at burninmining.com: €673.54)

order #339
- 2 x Complete BitBurner Module with attached heat-sink (20 chips per board)
- standard shipping

price €237.70 (85% of the original price at burninmining.com: €279.65)

Whoever is interested may send my a pn.

Why 85%?
burnin offers 70% refund. Original price is 100%. 85% leaves 15% benefit for us and for you.

EDIT:
SOLD