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June 30, 2011, 02:51:23 AM
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- Not 100% sure about the stales yet, but it looks like it might be helping.  My lifetime Stales are down to 1.8% and most of my miners seem to be only getting 1 or 2 stales/hour, so I think we may be doing better.

- As for PPS vs. Proportional, I could go either way.  I've never actually used PPS in any pool, but steadying out the income seems fine to me.

- Couple of other rambling comments on the pool I thought I'd toss out.

- I know you're not charging a fee at the moment, but at some point you probably will need to.  Have you looked at when you think you'd need to charge a fee?  Would it just be better to start a low fee like .5% now or do you think the 0% fee is too big a draw to mess with?  If you do decide to require a fee, maybe have a daily/weekly drawing/raffle where someone that submitted shares to the pool gets any fees back they might have paid in.

- Any chance we can get an automatic payout system that when you reach a balance of X, it automatically pays out?

- Alerts - Any chance we can get alerts set for any of the following?  Workers down for x Minutes, Block Found, Automatic Payout?

- I hate to say it, but pools seem to live and die on their charts.  While ARS' has some good stuff, and I know you guys are working on some, there's a few that I've seen in other pools that I really liked and think might be cool additions.
  • The "Daily Rewards" charts on Slush are great.  There's one that show's your daily reward in BTC as well as a 7 day moving average of your BTC.  I think that's a great way for people to visualize what they're getting over the long term and helps ease the tension when there's long blocks.  The other System Daily reward chart that shows how much the whole pool is getting per day and a 7 day moving average is nice too.  Of course, for both of these, with a small pool they may look a bit off as there's days with 0 BTC on both, but the 7 day average helps that.
  • Block Statistics - Can we add a time component to the current block statistics.  I know you can calculate it from the time column, but a simple "Hours:Minutes" Row showing how long that block took would be nice.  Additionally maybe an "Average Time" that shows the average time the pool is finding blocks.
  • Pool Luck Stats - Deepbit has a great "Statistics" page, but the main thing I like is the "Average Shares per Block" and "Average in last 24 Hours" with the percentages showing you how much over/under those are from the difficulty numbers.  Gives you a quick eyeball of how lucky the pool has been.

Remember, people want to see what the pool is giving them vs. what they can get in other pools or the Bitcoin mining calculator tells them they should be getting per day.  Any stats we can show that list averages of BTC's, Solve Times, etc over a time period will help folks decide whether or not they want to jump in the pool or not.
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June 30, 2011, 04:36:50 AM
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Thanks for the suggestions Meatball!  I will be working on these.

There is already an automatic payout system.  You can set your auto payout threshold in the account details, from 1 BTC to 25 BTC.  Once you reach the threshold (such as 1 BTC) it will automatically be sent to your payment address.

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June 30, 2011, 01:08:54 PM
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Hello! Thanks for the pool...

Any chance you can httpS the website?

Would even go for a private certificate... just trying to avoid sniffing between my browser and the status page!


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June 30, 2011, 03:17:17 PM
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Block! Smiley  Cmon, lets get that hash rate up!

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June 30, 2011, 04:22:44 PM
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For anyone on the fence about joining the pool, I offer some great reasons to jump in.

First and foremost, there's a good community.  IRC usually has some folks chatting and BurningToad is responsive to change requests.

Second, there no fees...seriously.  You can donate a fee if you want, but you don't have to.  No matter what anyone says, long term, no matter how you mine, solo, small pool, big pool, you will on average get the same amount of BTC.  The key difference between solo and pools is the fees and with 0% fees here, you just get the benefit of added hashpower.  Yeah, you'll get less per block, but the group will find more blocks than you would on your own.

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June 30, 2011, 04:50:12 PM
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Hello! Thanks for the pool...
Any chance you can httpS the website?
Would even go for a private certificate... just trying to avoid sniffing between my browser and the status page!

I almost had this done a while ago, but I didn't receive many requests for it.  I will work on it again Smiley

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June 30, 2011, 06:23:26 PM
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Hi BurningToad,

I've added ArsBitcoin to www.btc-poolwatch.com so that miners can easily monitor multiple pools.

I would like to check if there is a JSON for just the pool info like round shares, total hashrate, etc. that I can pull?

Thanks in advance.

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June 30, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
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Cool, thanks rearwheels!

I recently added this, which contains hash rate and historical block info.

http://arsbitcoin.com/blockApi.php

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June 30, 2011, 10:14:40 PM
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Ok, these are my top three current priorities, not necessarily in order though Wink

1) Implement Shared Maximum Pay-per-share payments as mentioned previously in thread. This would replace proportional payments and ensure that miners are paid evenly regardless of round length. Are there any objections to this?  If so, why?

2) Miner idle emails

3) A BTC payout history graph like Slush, daily BTC reward and a 7 day moving average.

If you think my priorities should be elsewhere, let me know!

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June 30, 2011, 11:48:02 PM
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Those priorities look good to me.

BTW, some talk on graphics cards on IRC.  A while back I put together this completely and utterly unscientific calculation to help me figure out what the best cards for hashing were.  I based it on Hash Rate, $ and Watts and combined them all.  For watts/hash rate, I used numbers I was able to get with my cards, or if I didn't have those cards, I used an average of what I was seeing on the Mining Hardware Wiki.  The prices were as of 6/12 and the best I could find at that time either through Amazon/Newegg, so the numbers might not be exact now. 

Also, the ones with the x - in front of them are pretty much impossible to find at that price or even any price now. 

I don't know if this helps anyone, but this is what I used to try to figure out what the best overall card based on MH/$/Watts was.  Higher final number is better.

GPU | MH Range | Watt Range | Lowest Price | (Avg MH)/$ | (Avg MH)/W | (Avg MH)/$ + (Avg MH)/W

x - 5830 | (200) | 160w | $109 | (2.8 ) | (1.75) | 4.55

6870 | (232-329) | 155W - $165 | (1.99) | (2.12) | 4.11

x - 5850 | (350) | 150w | $155 | (2.2) | (1.82) | 4.02

6950 (Shaders unlocked with bios mod) | (370) | 176W  | $222 | (1.66) | (2.10) | 3.76

6850 | (177-244) | 125W - $146 | (1.67) | (1.95) | 3.62

6950 (w/o shader Unlock Bios) | (340) | 176W | $222 | (1.53) | (1.93) | 3.46

x - 5870 | (313-421) | 188W | $379 | (1.11) | (2.23) | 3.34

x - 5970 | (530-802) | 300w | $909 | (0.88) | (2.31) | 3.18

5770 | (200) | 100W - $100 | (2) | (1) | 3

x - 6990 | (708-772) | 400W - $722 | (1.06) | (1.93) | 2.99

6970 | (323-372) | 254W | $310 | (1.46) | (1.20) | 2.66
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July 01, 2011, 08:34:30 AM
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So I've found a way to grab us a quick 6+ g/hash.  Simply change the number of shares in the round to a very low number.  Hi automatic pool hoppers!  The real share number is below (for now) for our normal users.  I'm sure they will figure it out soon, but it is a fun test Smiley

You can see the pool hash rate jump here: http://vps1.thedevcave.net/arsbitcoin_stats/showstats.php

Until I implement the improved payment system, I will keep playing with the pool hoppers to ensure the pool isn't losing efficiency.  If they can use automatic scripts to screen-scrape the stats page, well, I have every right to alter the stats page as I wish! Smiley

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July 01, 2011, 11:08:09 AM
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Ok, most of them caught on, back to normal Smiley

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July 02, 2011, 12:35:26 AM
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Made good progress on the new payment system today.  It is half up on my test server (running on testnet.)  You can receive the new payments, but you also receive the old method payments Wink  Next up is coding the transition between the two systems, and I want to have some good stats/charts on the new system before I release it, so that it is easy to see and understand.  I should be able to continue work on it tomorrow!

Meanwhile, keep hashing!  Grin

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July 02, 2011, 03:20:12 AM
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Meatball - I have a 5830.  They are hard to find, I ended up paying too much in order to get one ASAP.  $179.  I think you'll find most mining cards are higher than "regular" if you actually want to purchase one today and not sit around waiting for them to come into stock.

Also, you listed 200 Mh/s, and I'm getting 277 right now into the Ars pool. Smiley

I also have a UPS that my computer is plugged into, and it has a watt display.  The difference between mining and not mining is 122w.  Total is 203w.  It's a file server, so it would be on if I was not mining anyway.

My real world 5830 numbers:

GPU | MH Range | Watt Range | Lowest Price | (Avg MH)/$ | (Avg MH)/W | (Avg MH)/$ + (Avg MH)/W
5830 | 277         |  122         |   $179         |   1.54         | 2.27         | 3.81

so, my Mh/s and watts are better than what you listed, but I paid too much.  Still the best card, I think, if you can get a better price than I did.

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July 02, 2011, 01:59:26 PM
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Hello! Thanks for the pool...
Any chance you can httpS the website?
Would even go for a private certificate... just trying to avoid sniffing between my browser and the status page!

I almost had this done a while ago, but I didn't receive many requests for it.  I will work on it again Smiley

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July 02, 2011, 03:19:00 PM
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Meatball - I have a 5830. I'm getting 277 right now into the Ars pool. Smiley

If you OC you can get into the 300s. Not sure if that is a practical thing to do as you say it is in a server. My settings are CC 1010 Mem 354 GPU Voltage up a bit from stock to 1200 and getting 317 - 321 Mhash/sec @60c. 

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July 02, 2011, 05:06:47 PM
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Meatball - I have a 5830. I'm getting 277 right now into the Ars pool. Smiley

If you OC you can get into the 300s. Not sure if that is a practical thing to do as you say it is in a server. My settings are CC 1010 Mem 354 GPU Voltage up a bit from stock to 1200 and getting 317 - 321 Mhash/sec @60c. 

It's clocked at 875 right now, to make 277 Mh/s.  If I clock it to 975, it hits 303 Mh/s, but the fan spins up and it's really loud.  The fan noise at 875 is not bad at all.   Got to keep the marital harmony in the household.  Smiley

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July 02, 2011, 06:04:53 PM
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Yeah, not all my numbers are exact as prices have swung a lot on some of the cards recently.  I got my 5830's for $109 and my 5850's for $149 while all the vendor's were dumping them.  You're right about the Hash Rate too.  I'm getting about 293 MH/s running 945/315.

To me it was just an easy way to plug some numbers in and rank cards.  You're mileage may vary, but the keep is to find out what card gives you the best hash rate at the lowest wattage with the lowest price. Smiley
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July 02, 2011, 07:53:03 PM
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I joined the pool this morning.  I had been with BTCGuild but after last nights issues, I decided to jump ship.

I'm running at roughly 2.2Ghash and I like the lower powered pools.  I realize all pools equalize to the same BTC/day ratio but I like the idea of getting a bigger chunk when a block is found.  Wink

Anyways, thanks for your work on the pool.  So far, I'm very satisfied with the pool, stats site and bringing all the miners online was super smooth.  I look forward to the next block!
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July 02, 2011, 09:32:36 PM
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Ars reader from the beginning (early 1999) hopping on-board. CPU mining only atm. Nice, simple pool interface - good work, BT.

A couple of questions:

How is the worker activity determined? I have a few that are consistently running, yet show as inactive on my account details. When I'm away from the machines, it'd be nice to see which ones have hit a snag. If it's just due to my painfully low Mhash rate, c'est la vie.

I know it isn't the best option, but what would an ideal laptop GPU be for mining? I haven't seen much discussion along those lines and I value the Ars community opinion higher than most.

Thanks!
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