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June 22, 2017, 10:50:48 AM
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The 6 MH/W looks very nice. But there is one thing. If you lower the TDP and lower the MH/s onpar you loose money.
I made some calcualtion on whattomine and even with my high price €/kWh with 0,30 € i make more money if I rise up the TDP.
Yes the cards use more Watt but the incrased Hashrate make more money then the electric cost.
And its kinda a race with the Difficulty Level thats come into too.
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June 22, 2017, 11:41:43 AM
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I am limited by capacity(small) and power price (high).

The way I see it is if I run mine at 6mh/watt then 1000watts=6500MH.

If you run yours at 4.5mh/watt then 1000watts=4500MH.

Have I got it wrong??
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June 22, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
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I am limited by capacity(small) and power price (high).

The way I see it is if I run mine at 6mh/watt then 1000watts=6500MH.

If you run yours at 4.5mh/watt then 1000watts=4500MH.

Have I got it wrong??
In order for you to pull 1000 watts, you will need 33% (6/4.5) more equipment than he will so your initial upfront costs will be higher to buy the equipment.
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June 22, 2017, 12:03:27 PM
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Well non of them is fixed, they go onpar when you not increase the amount of Cards.

It looks more like 1000Watt = 4200Mh
                         548Watt = 3300Mh

And i dont belive that you pay more then 0,30 kwH.
Especially when you are limited on space, then why no sqeeze as much Mh/s as possible in the smalest space
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June 22, 2017, 12:04:41 PM
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E erytime I start up Nicehash is says I need to increase my virtual memory to increase.performance.

What should i increase it too? Only have 4gb of ram installed.
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June 22, 2017, 12:50:27 PM
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E erytime I start up Nicehash is says I need to increase my virtual memory to increase.performance.

What should i increase it too? Only have 4gb of ram installed.

Virtual memory and physical memory are two different things
Go ahead and put it at 16gb and let it ride

As I see a super coin as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions. ~philipma1957
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June 22, 2017, 01:01:42 PM
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E erytime I start up Nicehash is says I need to increase my virtual memory to increase.performance.

What should i increase it too? Only have 4gb of ram installed.

Virtual memory and physical memory are two different things
Go ahead and put it at 16gb and let it ride

Just switched to 16gb, haha
The error went away, but my numbers didn't get better.

I will have to spend the weekend tweaking as I am only get $6-7 per 1080ti..
I think that is low no? Even mining the most profitable coin on nicehash
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I am limited by capacity(small) and power price (high).

The way I see it is if I run mine at 6mh/watt then 1000watts=6500MH.

If you run yours at 4.5mh/watt then 1000watts=4500MH.

Have I got it wrong??

In my warehouse, I have asked my electrician to give me 20amps per circuit.

During my 1080ti farm deployment planning:

One circuit ==> 4 power outlets

4 power outlets ==> 5amps each maximum load.

5 amps x 220v = 1100watts per outlet

1100watts ==> 1 rig

Apply 20% buffer to keep your PSU safe, no stress and working for a long time 24x7

1100watts x 80% = 880w

1 rig ==> 3 x 1080ti = 880w including power mobo, cpu etc.

Assume mobo, cpu, etc consume 150 watts, 730 watts available for GPUs

730watts divided by 3 = 243watts each (3 x GPU rig)

or

730watts divided by 4 = 182watts each (4 x GPU rig)

For every circuit, you can now power 4 rigs with the specific amount of "firepower" you need...

So a 3 x 1080ti powered all the way up to 243watts will give you decent hash.

The 4 x GPU rig, IMHO is the best hash ratio.

Phil - can you help double confirm my calculations.

BTW, USA power rating usually is by default 120v while UK and ROW mostly 220-240v format.

For my 1070 farm, I think I will go for density because these cards can do very low tdp with very good hash ratio.
Thinking of 9 x GPU rig below 2000w-2100w or slightly over 10 amps...

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June 22, 2017, 04:14:20 PM
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E erytime I start up Nicehash is says I need to increase my virtual memory to increase.performance.

What should i increase it too? Only have 4gb of ram installed.

Virtual memory and physical memory are two different things
Go ahead and put it at 16gb and let it ride

Just switched to 16gb, haha
The error went away, but my numbers didn't get better.

I will have to spend the weekend tweaking as I am only get $6-7 per 1080ti..
I think that is low no? Even mining the most profitable coin on nicehash

It's down to the fine tuning of the card to increase it more
With btc creeping up like it did yesterday most pulled out to buy btc

As I see a super coin as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions. ~philipma1957
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June 22, 2017, 04:33:04 PM
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Well non of them is fixed, they go onpar when you not increase the amount of Cards.

It looks more like 1000Watt = 4200Mh
                         548Watt = 3300Mh

And i dont belive that you pay more then 0,30 kwH.
Especially when you are limited on space, then why no sqeeze as much Mh/s as possible in the smalest space


I'm not limited in space, I am limited in the amount of power I can use.

From my previous example, If my max is 4000w...I want to be hashing at 24000MH not 18000MH.
I do not care about the initial cost of cards.


@Citronick..Great info. BTW...I've got 10 x 1070 cards (2 rigs) currently pulling 1350w at the wall on ZEC. I haven't played with the clocks yet so can probably get it more efficient.
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June 22, 2017, 04:36:49 PM
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Well non of them is fixed, they go onpar when you not increase the amount of Cards.

It looks more like 1000Watt = 4200Mh
                         548Watt = 3300Mh

And i dont belive that you pay more then 0,30 kwH.
Especially when you are limited on space, then why no sqeeze as much Mh/s as possible in the smalest space


I'm not limited in space, I am limited in the amount of power I can use.

From my previous example, If my max is 4000w...I want to be hashing at 24000MH not 18000MH.
I do not care about the initial cost of cards.


@Citronick..Great info. BTW...I've got 10 x 1070 cards (2 rigs) currently pulling 1350w at the wall on ZEC. I haven't played with the clocks yet so can probably get it more efficient.

The Zotac Minis 1070 can squeeze 450sols but I will be happy if I can fine-tune it to around 400sols @ 80watts each

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June 22, 2017, 04:53:19 PM
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If I make a change in Afterburn is it instant or do I need to reboot my miner .exe for it to take affect.
Trying to figure out the best way to tune the cards..
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June 22, 2017, 04:59:50 PM
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it's instant, you can keep your miner open. Just click the tick to apply your new setting and you should see a change in your hashrate etc.
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June 22, 2017, 06:30:35 PM
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it's instant, you can keep your miner open. Just click the tick to apply your new setting and you should see a change in your hashrate etc.

yup just hit "apply" then either watch the hashrate change, or your computer screen go blank  as the card crashes Smiley
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June 22, 2017, 06:37:46 PM
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it's instant, you can keep your miner open. Just click the tick to apply your new setting and you should see a change in your hashrate etc.

yup just hit "apply" then either watch the hashrate change, or your computer screen go blank  as the card crashes Smiley

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June 22, 2017, 07:19:55 PM
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it's instant, you can keep your miner open. Just click the tick to apply your new setting and you should see a change in your hashrate etc.

yup just hit "apply" then either watch the hashrate change, or your computer screen go blank  as the card crashes Smiley

I especially love it when I'm doing it to rigs in a location I know I shouldn't be fiddling with the settings and the machine goes down... it's like... yeah... you knew better... and you still did it... good job man, good job. there's goes $2.25 an hour till you get your butt over there lol
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June 22, 2017, 07:32:42 PM
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Just to throw more into the fire on the high tdp to low tdp mining....

You really need to buy a watt meter to see the FULL draw of the system and you need to understand your specific gpu very well, every gpu acts differently...


I am onboard with the low wattage, high ratio of hashpower per watt numbers, this is the standard i have been adjusting to and i have just recently taken it to even more levels of adjusting after learning some of the coding of the ccminers i use....

It all starts at your PSU, they are rated at X watts @ x% at multiple levels... I found initially that my first 4 card gtx1080ti was pulling like 91 watts more than my 2nd 4 card gtx1080ti rig, with both being identical rigs... made no sense.. settings were the same.. but what i did have a change at was i was powering the 4 cards on the first rig with a 850watt corsair gold rated PSU and the 2nd one was using my 1300watt evga plat rated PSU... i unplugged the corsair and swapped the PSU with a 1200watt evga plat rated psu i had for another rig and the power consumption while mining drop 87watts right off the start with the different PSU....

The second part of the PSU is the ratings @ different % of use... some psu's when you look into them are rated at like 80-83% @ 50% draw, but they get stupid low at like 80%.... my corsair psu rating online at 80% was something stupid like 68% which is just terrible...  so running a plat+ rated PSU will increase your profits from the start...

Then you run into thermal/power throttling of GPU's, after reading in ccminer about the coding and such, i found in regards to ccminer's in general.. not sure if this is true among other miners, but in ccminer when you get the hashpower reports every so many seconds, that is actually the PEAK number being reported out of 30 (default) samples over x seconds... not the average... so it may look like your hashing higher than you truly are.... if you go into the batch and lower the sample rate and increase the reporting rate, you will find that your gpu is not hashing at the previous rate on a consistent rate, because your gpu bounces in and out of thermal throttle/power throttle multiple times a second as it trying to maintain power and temps to the levels you set them in your OC software. so by default the split seconds that your gpu is pausing thermal/power throttling, the ccminer is picking up those spikes in hashrates and reporting it as the peak number during that reporting period... a simple way to see if your throttling is using gpu-z, under monitor if your GPU is giving you ALL the hashing it can at the levels you have it set at, it will say pause under throttling, meaning the core and memory are able to perform mining at PEAK power based on the tdp and OC settings you have it set at....

So a good way to tune GPU's is to under power them so you stay out of these throttling events as much as possible... if you look in msi afterburner on the left side there is a white value and a red value above the frequency your gpu is currently reporting its running at. Those are the base and max limits your GPU can perform work at based on the settings you have it currently selected at. If your reported freq is not within a few of the max red numbers, then you are litterally pushing your GPU to work under its capabilities bouncing in and out of throttling... cryptomining blog has a writeup on this stuff, they took a system that was reporting at 80% tdp and an identical rig tuned down into the 60%ish range... even tho the one reporting 80% tdp was saying it was hashing 13% more per second, when they ran the 2 rigs for 24hrs, the difference between the 2 wallets was less than 1% in earnings... nearly within a margin of error range... yet the one at 80% used nearly 40% more power consumed at the wall...

These are mostly Nvidia pascal commands only

If your ccminer your using supports the same codes as mine, you can use the following code in a batch file to see your actual performance also....
Code:
nvidia-smi -q -d PERFORMANCE

One of the ways you can tune your GPU's is via the miner directly instead of using msi afterburner... i am wanting to switch to this method very soon as its extremely beneficial if you mine a multi-algo setup, you can tune your gpu's to run at the most efficient settings for that miner/algo combo, then you can set it into the code of the batch on each algo as a change of settings BEFORE starting mining, so it will always be running at its best settings when it switches algo's...

Code:
--mem-clock=3505
this line triggers a command to your gpu to set MAX memory clock on your GPU to 3505, just as if you were changing it in msi afterburner and clicked accept...

Code:
--gpu-clock=1150
this line triggers a command to your pgu to set MAX core clock on your GPU to 1150, these numbers are just random for example

Code:
--plimit=100W 
this line triggers a command to your gpu to set TDP to 100w max, so the miner will mine at 100w or less, it will vary as throttling happens....

Code:
--max-temp=80c
this line triggers a sensory sampling, if the gpu hits 80c, the miner will skip the next blocks of data tell the gpu temps drop back down in which you can set a resume code to retrigger the mining again at a different temp....





- GPUs Mining : 128 (Updated 3/7/18) // CPUs Mining : 19 (Updated 2/23/18)
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June 22, 2017, 08:25:20 PM
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The 6 MH/W looks very nice. But there is one thing. If you lower the TDP and lower the MH/s onpar you loose money.
I made some calcualtion on whattomine and even with my high price €/kWh with 0,30 € i make more money if I rise up the TDP.
Yes the cards use more Watt but the incrased Hashrate make more money then the electric cost.
And its kinda a race with the Difficulty Level thats come into too.

I fully agree with this.

You need to check the calculators.  2 weeks ago on Skein I was running 100% TPD because the price was so good that the extra power usage was no big deal I was making an extra $2 per day compared to 60 or 70 TPD.  Because I only have 4 cards spread in 2 rigs Heat is not really a big issue for me like someone like Phil.  It is also Winter so I was able to do 100% TDP and still have my fan at 60%.

Fast forward to today.  I get around about the same money at 65% as I do at 90% and actually start losing money at 100% so while it doesn't matter which setting I put it on I'd rather save the power and reduce stress on the card.  Others might prefer the extra coins as they can then turn those coins into more money via trading or market gains on those coins.  It's really upto you but you must do the calcuations on whattomine with accurate power readings at the wall.
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June 22, 2017, 09:02:39 PM
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I think these last two posts have been the most helpful I have read in a few days (no offense to other posts).

Back when I mined 3 years ago I never pleased with power level and was burning electricity like no buddies business.
I did used to edit the bat file to tune the gpu directly and avoided using afterburn.

Tweaking the bat required an exe file reboot which is why I asked it afterburn was instant earlier.

I've been mining for less than 24hours and I am getting really interested/exciting in all the tweaking that can be done.
I am surprised that so few talk about it here. Wishing more people would post the sweet post on their cards for what they are mining (even though each is different)
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June 22, 2017, 09:31:40 PM
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I am limited by capacity(small) and power price (high).

The way I see it is if I run mine at 6mh/watt then 1000watts=6500MH.

If you run yours at 4.5mh/watt then 1000watts=4500MH.

Have I got it wrong??

In my warehouse, I have asked my electrician to give me 20amps per circuit.

During my 1080ti farm deployment planning:

One circuit ==> 4 power outlets

4 power outlets ==> 5amps each maximum load.

5 amps x 220v = 1100watts per outlet

1100watts ==> 1 rig

Apply 20% buffer to keep your PSU safe, no stress and working for a long time 24x7

1100watts x 80% = 880w

1 rig ==> 3 x 1080ti = 880w including power mobo, cpu etc.

Assume mobo, cpu, etc consume 150 watts, 730 watts available for GPUs

730watts divided by 3 = 243watts each (3 x GPU rig)

or

730watts divided by 4 = 182watts each (4 x GPU rig)

For every circuit, you can now power 4 rigs with the specific amount of "firepower" you need...

So a 3 x 1080ti powered all the way up to 243watts will give you decent hash.

The 4 x GPU rig, IMHO is the best hash ratio.

Phil - can you help double confirm my calculations.

BTW, USA power rating usually is by default 120v while UK and ROW mostly 220-240v format.

For my 1070 farm, I think I will go for density because these cards can do very low tdp with very good hash ratio.
Thinking of 9 x GPU rig below 2000w-2100w or slightly over 10 amps...

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