BFL Wafer Broke?

[computerparts]

So I heard one of BFL's wafers were broken and they're waiting on another batch. If this is true, it will add to the delays.  Anyone know if this is true?

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[Frizz23]

So I heard one of BFL's wafers were broken and they're waiting on another batch. If this is true, it will add to the delays.  Anyone know if this is true?

Yes, it's true. A sack of rice fell over in China and crushed the wafer.

[Bicknellski]

Why rice? Why not a full plate of dumplings?

[phorensic]

Why rice? Why not a full plate of dumplings?

Mmmmm, like shui mai or har gow?  I haven't had dim sum in a long time.

[Bicknellski]

Why rice? Why not a full plate of dumplings?

Mmmmm, like shui mai or har gow?  I haven't had dim sum in a long time.

Shui mai... is the right call. Damn now I want dimsum this weekend.

[maqifrnswa]

I didn't even know they were pregnant!

Oh, you said wafer...

[Frizz23]

Why rice? Why not a full plate of dumplings?

Any Germans here willing to explain? 

[rograz]

I came here expecting waffles, I'm disappointed:(

[Xian01]

Not sure about any BFL Wafers breaking, but judging from Josh's behavior on the forums lately, I think his mind may be breaking.

Can anyone over there at BFL try to slip some lithium or anti-psychotics in his drinks, please ?

It is just absolutely mind-boggling how his leash-holders allow him to continue like he does in public. Has developed this split-personality complex that Inaba/BFL_Josh-Zerlan are two different personalities !

I mean name calling ? Is he still in grade school ? This is the public face of Butterfly Labs ?

For shame !

EDIT: Speak of waffles, perhaps we should send Josh a Blue Waffle ?

[DataPlumber]

Not sure about any BFL Wafers breaking, but judging from Josh's behavior on the forums lately, I think his mind may be breaking.

Can anyone over there at BFL try to slip some lithium or anti-psychotics in his drinks, please ?

It is just absolutely mind-boggling how his leash-holders allow him to continue like he does in public. Has developed this split-personality complex that Inaba/BFL_Josh-Zerlan are two different personalities !

I mean name calling ? Is he still in grade school ? This is the public face of Butterfly Labs ?

For shame !

EDIT: Speak of waffles, perhaps we should send Josh a Blue Waffle ?

I don't think it's fair to characterize using a different voice in different contexts as "psychotic."  Do you speak to your boss the exact same way as you speak to your close friends?  No, you use different filters in different contexts.  He's on record as saying that Inaba is Josh speaking as Josh (unfiltered), and BFL_Josh is Josh speaking as the BFL rep.

Whether that's a good idea is debatable, but hardly "psychotic."

I can understand people being upset with BFL, but the level of willful distortion lately on the part of detractors is off the charts.  If you want to criticize someone effectively, you need to keep a modicum of credibility for yourself.

[Frizz23]

He's on record as saying that Inaba is Josh speaking as Josh (unfiltered), and BFL_Josh is Josh speaking as the BFL rep.

No, Josh always uses his Inaba account - even when talking about BFL in his role as company representative.

Go check his stats:

Name:            BFL_Josh
Posts:           78
Position:        Jr. Member
Date Registered: August 01, 2012, 02:58:50 PM
Last Active:     January 11, 2013, 08:16:28 AM

That was 3 month ago ...

[rograz]

He's on record as saying that Inaba is Josh speaking as Josh (unfiltered), and BFL_Josh is Josh speaking as the BFL rep.

No, Josh always uses his Inaba account - even when talking about BFL in his role as company representative.

Go check his stats:

Name:            BFL_Josh
Posts:           78
Position:        Jr. Member
Date Registered: August 01, 2012, 02:58:50 PM
Last Active:     January 11, 2013, 08:16:28 AM

That was 3 month ago ...

I thought BFL stopped using bitcointalk for official statements anyway, the info you just posted kind of supports that as well doesn't it. So anything Josh posts here these days is HIS PERSONAL views/estimates, as was already said.

[k9quaint]

Not sure about any BFL Wafers breaking, but judging from Josh's behavior on the forums lately, I think his mind may be breaking.

Can anyone over there at BFL try to slip some lithium or anti-psychotics in his drinks, please ?

It is just absolutely mind-boggling how his leash-holders allow him to continue like he does in public. Has developed this split-personality complex that Inaba/BFL_Josh-Zerlan are two different personalities !

I mean name calling ? Is he still in grade school ? This is the public face of Butterfly Labs ?

For shame !

EDIT: Speak of waffles, perhaps we should send Josh a Blue Waffle ?

I don't think it's fair to characterize using a different voice in different contexts as "psychotic."  Do you speak to your boss the exact same way as you speak to your close friends?  No, you use different filters in different contexts.  He's on record as saying that Inaba is Josh speaking as Josh (unfiltered), and BFL_Josh is Josh speaking as the BFL rep.

Whether that's a good idea is debatable, but hardly "psychotic."

I can understand people being upset with BFL, but the level of willful distortion lately on the part of detractors is off the charts.  If you want to criticize someone effectively, you need to keep a modicum of credibility for yourself.

Different voice is right.

I had not given it much thought, but now that you bring it up I don't know. Josh doesn't seem to have any empathy towards anyone who might have an issue with BFL. Quite the opposite actually. He is persistently hostile, and from our point of view very manipulative. According to the stats, psychopaths make up as much as 1% of the population so it is not out of the realm of possibility that Josh could be one.

Manic depressive disorder would also explain his outbursts. He seems to disappear for lengthy periods, only to burst onto the scene calling people liars and trolls but seldom addressing the underlying issues. He does not seem rational or have any patience.

[Inaba]

Not sure about any BFL Wafers breaking, but judging from Josh's behavior on the forums lately, I think his mind may be breaking.

Can anyone over there at BFL try to slip some lithium or anti-psychotics in his drinks, please ?

It is just absolutely mind-boggling how his leash-holders allow him to continue like he does in public. Has developed this split-personality complex that Inaba/BFL_Josh-Zerlan are two different personalities !

I mean name calling ? Is he still in grade school ? This is the public face of Butterfly Labs ?

For shame !

EDIT: Speak of waffles, perhaps we should send Josh a Blue Waffle ?

I don't think it's fair to characterize using a different voice in different contexts as "psychotic."  Do you speak to your boss the exact same way as you speak to your close friends?  No, you use different filters in different contexts.  He's on record as saying that Inaba is Josh speaking as Josh (unfiltered), and BFL_Josh is Josh speaking as the BFL rep.

Whether that's a good idea is debatable, but hardly "psychotic."

I can understand people being upset with BFL, but the level of willful distortion lately on the part of detractors is off the charts.  If you want to criticize someone effectively, you need to keep a modicum of credibility for yourself.

Different voice is right.

I had not given it much thought, but now that you bring it up I don't know. Josh doesn't seem to have any empathy towards anyone who might have an issue with BFL. Quite the opposite actually. He is persistently hostile, and from our point of view very manipulative. According to the stats, psychopaths make up as much as 1% of the population so it is not out of the realm of possibility that Josh could be one.

Manic depressive disorder would also explain his outbursts. He seems to disappear for lengthy periods, only to burst onto the scene calling people liars and trolls but seldom addressing the underlying issues. He does not seem rational or have any patience.

Except, you're the one obsessing about BFL and me personally, heh.  You might want to check yourself

[Schrankwand]

Not sure about any BFL Wafers breaking, but judging from Josh's behavior on the forums lately, I think his mind may be breaking.

Can anyone over there at BFL try to slip some lithium or anti-psychotics in his drinks, please ?

It is just absolutely mind-boggling how his leash-holders allow him to continue like he does in public. Has developed this split-personality complex that Inaba/BFL_Josh-Zerlan are two different personalities !

I mean name calling ? Is he still in grade school ? This is the public face of Butterfly Labs ?

For shame !

EDIT: Speak of waffles, perhaps we should send Josh a Blue Waffle ?

I don't think it's fair to characterize using a different voice in different contexts as "psychotic."  Do you speak to your boss the exact same way as you speak to your close friends?  No, you use different filters in different contexts.  He's on record as saying that Inaba is Josh speaking as Josh (unfiltered), and BFL_Josh is Josh speaking as the BFL rep.

Whether that's a good idea is debatable, but hardly "psychotic."

I can understand people being upset with BFL, but the level of willful distortion lately on the part of detractors is off the charts.  If you want to criticize someone effectively, you need to keep a modicum of credibility for yourself.

Different voice is right.

I had not given it much thought, but now that you bring it up I don't know. Josh doesn't seem to have any empathy towards anyone who might have an issue with BFL. Quite the opposite actually. He is persistently hostile, and from our point of view very manipulative. According to the stats, psychopaths make up as much as 1% of the population so it is not out of the realm of possibility that Josh could be one.

Manic depressive disorder would also explain his outbursts. He seems to disappear for lengthy periods, only to burst onto the scene calling people liars and trolls but seldom addressing the underlying issues. He does not seem rational or have any patience.

Except, you're the one obsessing about BFL and me personally, heh.  You might want to check yourself

Problem is Josh, i am one of your customers, for example. And your company has one goal: Making money.

And the way you act in the forum might have brought me to a point of saying NO WAY IN HELL AM I ORDERING FROM THEM.
Actually, the behaviour makes me feel I should ask paypal and you guys to refund me and buy avalon chips instead.

Now I don't know if you have stake or just salary in the company. But whatever it is, someone is getting hurt if you show this image that pisses people off. It does not matter if you don't care, customers do. I have coached many professionals and this kind of issue is a classic derailer. And it is the derailer that if not fixed, in my experience has led to somewhere between 70-80% getting fired.

If you have stake, you are probably burning your own preorder money right now by behaving like this. People are always watching.

[Inaba]

Not sure about any BFL Wafers breaking, but judging from Josh's behavior on the forums lately, I think his mind may be breaking.

Can anyone over there at BFL try to slip some lithium or anti-psychotics in his drinks, please ?

It is just absolutely mind-boggling how his leash-holders allow him to continue like he does in public. Has developed this split-personality complex that Inaba/BFL_Josh-Zerlan are two different personalities !

I mean name calling ? Is he still in grade school ? This is the public face of Butterfly Labs ?

For shame !

EDIT: Speak of waffles, perhaps we should send Josh a Blue Waffle ?

I don't think it's fair to characterize using a different voice in different contexts as "psychotic."  Do you speak to your boss the exact same way as you speak to your close friends?  No, you use different filters in different contexts.  He's on record as saying that Inaba is Josh speaking as Josh (unfiltered), and BFL_Josh is Josh speaking as the BFL rep.

Whether that's a good idea is debatable, but hardly "psychotic."

I can understand people being upset with BFL, but the level of willful distortion lately on the part of detractors is off the charts.  If you want to criticize someone effectively, you need to keep a modicum of credibility for yourself.

Different voice is right.

I had not given it much thought, but now that you bring it up I don't know. Josh doesn't seem to have any empathy towards anyone who might have an issue with BFL. Quite the opposite actually. He is persistently hostile, and from our point of view very manipulative. According to the stats, psychopaths make up as much as 1% of the population so it is not out of the realm of possibility that Josh could be one.

Manic depressive disorder would also explain his outbursts. He seems to disappear for lengthy periods, only to burst onto the scene calling people liars and trolls but seldom addressing the underlying issues. He does not seem rational or have any patience.

Except, you're the one obsessing about BFL and me personally, heh.  You might want to check yourself

Problem is Josh, i am one of your customers, for example. And your company has one goal: Making money.

And the way you act in the forum might have brought me to a point of saying NO WAY IN HELL AM I ORDERING FROM THEM.
Actually, the behaviour makes me feel I should ask paypal and you guys to refund me and buy avalon chips instead.

Now I don't know if you have stake or just salary in the company. But whatever it is, someone is getting hurt if you show this image that pisses people off. It does not matter if you don't care, customers do. I have coached many professionals and this kind of issue is a classic derailer. And it is the derailer that if not fixed, in my experience has led to somewhere between 70-80% getting fired.

If you have stake, you are probably burning your own preorder money right now by behaving like this. People are always watching.

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot. 

If you don't like it, don't order.  Vote with your wallet.

[Minor Miner]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot. 

If you don't like it, don't order.  Vote with your wallet.

I really like this statement.   It is refreshing and honest.   I am curious if you care whether BFL survives or not though since, at some point, there will be more than one vendor and everyone will be shipping from inventory.
Don't you think you should be planning for that time and care a little?

[Schrankwand]

Not sure about any BFL Wafers breaking, but judging from Josh's behavior on the forums lately, I think his mind may be breaking.

Can anyone over there at BFL try to slip some lithium or anti-psychotics in his drinks, please ?

It is just absolutely mind-boggling how his leash-holders allow him to continue like he does in public. Has developed this split-personality complex that Inaba/BFL_Josh-Zerlan are two different personalities !

I mean name calling ? Is he still in grade school ? This is the public face of Butterfly Labs ?

For shame !

EDIT: Speak of waffles, perhaps we should send Josh a Blue Waffle ?

I don't think it's fair to characterize using a different voice in different contexts as "psychotic."  Do you speak to your boss the exact same way as you speak to your close friends?  No, you use different filters in different contexts.  He's on record as saying that Inaba is Josh speaking as Josh (unfiltered), and BFL_Josh is Josh speaking as the BFL rep.

Whether that's a good idea is debatable, but hardly "psychotic."

I can understand people being upset with BFL, but the level of willful distortion lately on the part of detractors is off the charts.  If you want to criticize someone effectively, you need to keep a modicum of credibility for yourself.

Different voice is right.

I had not given it much thought, but now that you bring it up I don't know. Josh doesn't seem to have any empathy towards anyone who might have an issue with BFL. Quite the opposite actually. He is persistently hostile, and from our point of view very manipulative. According to the stats, psychopaths make up as much as 1% of the population so it is not out of the realm of possibility that Josh could be one.

Manic depressive disorder would also explain his outbursts. He seems to disappear for lengthy periods, only to burst onto the scene calling people liars and trolls but seldom addressing the underlying issues. He does not seem rational or have any patience.

Except, you're the one obsessing about BFL and me personally, heh.  You might want to check yourself

Problem is Josh, i am one of your customers, for example. And your company has one goal: Making money.

And the way you act in the forum might have brought me to a point of saying NO WAY IN HELL AM I ORDERING FROM THEM.
Actually, the behaviour makes me feel I should ask paypal and you guys to refund me and buy avalon chips instead.

Now I don't know if you have stake or just salary in the company. But whatever it is, someone is getting hurt if you show this image that pisses people off. It does not matter if you don't care, customers do. I have coached many professionals and this kind of issue is a classic derailer. And it is the derailer that if not fixed, in my experience has led to somewhere between 70-80% getting fired.

If you have stake, you are probably burning your own preorder money right now by behaving like this. People are always watching.

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot. 

If you don't like it, don't order.  Vote with your wallet.

I have already. I have also consulted with a company that couldn't pay me because its CEO told a big customer he is an idiot, causing three of four A clients to cancel their service contracts.

So, take care.

[twitami1]

This can't be a BFL guy, much less THE BFL guy. Even if he really didn't care about his company or his customers, he would be smart enough not to show it. Every one of those three that don't give a damn, WILL give a damn once they become a customer, I promise you. If he was an employee, or even more so someone high up at the company--and really did hate people, he would still know that the way to respond to posts like these is by taking the high road, being an adult, and realizing that winning an argument is not how you stay in business.

  "Yes, I have been a bit short with a few of my posts and talk lately, I apologize. As you all know, we are behind in meeting our projected dates, and things are crazy busy around here trying to catch up. We are all under a lot of stress, and sometimes it shows. Again, I apologize for anything offensive or rude I may have said. We really do appreciate all of you who believed in us and have become our customers. And, as any business owner can tell you, it is always cheaper to keep customers than get new ones. We are working very hard to get our products out to all of you as soon as we can, and again I personally want to thank each and every one of you for your faith in us."

This would not only help bring in those three new customers, but would KEEP THE ONES YOU ALREADY HAVE. And you know the old saying: A happy customer tells one person, an unhappy customer tells ten. In this day and age of forums and social media, this is even more true. It isn't hard to not be an ass, really. In fact, you will find that once you do it, life gets easier: no more defending yourself constantly, less badmouthing and red text about you, more positive word of mouth, less doubting that you can deliver, etc etc.

But again, if this was an employee, especially one who actually does ANY sort of PR for a company, they already know all of this.

[k9quaint]

Now I don't know if you have stake or just salary in the company. But whatever it is, someone is getting hurt if you show this image that pisses people off. It does not matter if you don't care, customers do. I have coached many professionals and this kind of issue is a classic derailer. And it is the derailer that if not fixed, in my experience has led to somewhere between 70-80% getting fired.

If you have stake, you are probably burning your own preorder money right now by behaving like this. People are always watching.

He is the Chief Operations Officer, so I would imagine that he has some equity. C level positions usually get some.

Except, you're the one obsessing about BFL and me personally, heh.  You might want to check yourself

Enduring your irrational outbursts when I present you with evidence (usually your own post history) that you have contradicted yourself is hardly an obsession. If you actually addressed peoples claims, there wouldn't be a long history of posts. There would be 1 thread with about 10 posts in it. Instead, you string things out with insults and evasions. You have repeatedly claimed that you do this to increase the number of investors who give you money via pre-orders.

[Bogart]

<stuff applicable to real-world business>

What you say may all hold true in a normal company/market, but it goes right out the window here.

The nature of the product is such that it sells itself.  For every 1 person turned off by Josh's antics, 10 more will place new orders, lured by the promise of easy money.

I concur that Josh is a complete douchenozzle, and I would love to see him get what he deserves.

With that said, I still ordered from BFL despite Josh and everything else that is wrong with BFL, and plan to hold my orders until they are fulfilled (I'm thinking December-ish).  For me it's a business decision.

(I also ordered from some other ASIC-makers.)

[Xian01]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot. 

If you don't like it, don't order.  Vote with your wallet.

 Josh.

 I say this with sincerity.

 Get help.

 You can rest assured that once BFL ships my back-orders, you will never see another penny from me ever again.

[twitami1]

<stuff applicable to real-world business>

What you say may all hold true in a normal company/market, but it goes right out the window here.

The nature of the product is such that it sells itself.  For every 1 person turned off by Josh's antics, 10 more will place new orders, lured by the promise of easy money.

I concur that Josh is a complete douchenozzle, and I would love to see him get what he deserves.

With that said, I still ordered from BFL despite Josh and everything else that is wrong with BFL, and plan to hold my orders until they are fulfilled (I'm thinking December-ish).  For me it's a business decision.

(I also ordered from some other ASIC-makers.)

Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.

[rograz]

Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.

Respect is earned and not bought, if someone behaves like an idiot I expect them to be treated like an idiot independent of the size of their wallet.

[blackarrow]

So I heard one of BFL's wafers were broken and they're waiting on another batch. If this is true, it will add to the delays.  Anyone know if this is true?

ROTFL

[Bogart]

Buying ASICs a lot more like buying a bag of crack than ordering a cheeseburger.

[glendall]

I haven't bought crack before, but I would imagine you don't have to pay for it a year before you get it.

[pikeadz]

If you don't like it, don't order.  Vote with your wallet.

 

Careful what you wish for.   

[Inaba]

Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.

Respect is earned and not bought, if someone behaves like an idiot I expect them to be treated like an idiot independent of the size of their wallet.

This is pretty much the long and short of it.  If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response.  Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve.  Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples.  Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return.  In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful.  The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.

[smoothie]

He's on record as saying that Inaba is Josh speaking as Josh (unfiltered), and BFL_Josh is Josh speaking as the BFL rep.

No, Josh always uses his Inaba account - even when talking about BFL in his role as company representative.

Go check his stats:

Name:            BFL_Josh
Posts:           78
Position:        Jr. Member
Date Registered: August 01, 2012, 02:58:50 PM
Last Active:     January 11, 2013, 08:16:28 AM

That was 3 month ago ...

I thought BFL stopped using bitcointalk for official statements anyway, the info you just posted kind of supports that as well doesn't it. So anything Josh posts here these days is HIS PERSONAL views/estimates, as was already said.

Well they do spam their ads all over the forum so I would consider that still posting on the forum.

[smoothie]

Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.

Respect is earned and not bought, if someone behaves like an idiot I expect them to be treated like an idiot independent of the size of their wallet.

This is pretty much the long and short of it.  If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response.  Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve.  Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples.  Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return.  In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful.  The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.

THIS ^^ Your approach is flawed. Treating others how they treat you does not give a good image to customers and possible future customers.

If you treat your current customers badly...likely the future ones will hear about it and then it is a recursive endless death spiral.

One line that has always held true: Pride goes before a fall. You are no special case. PirateAt40 was prideful, MNW was too, Bruce Wagner as well...see a pattern yet?

BFL and you Josh are on that path with your outrageous claims on delivery times, speeds, power, prices, and not to mention your immature manner on the forums as the COO of BFL.

I may be a troll and sometimes immature but then again I am NOT the COO of BFL. Big difference buddy lol.

[computerparts]

Wow some of you guys must have A LOT of time on your hands. I'd really like to know what happened with the chips. Some say wafer busted, some say chips lost. Will we ever know what really happened?

[kibblesnbits]

Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.

Respect is earned and not bought, if someone behaves like an idiot I expect them to be treated like an idiot independent of the size of their wallet.

This is pretty much the long and short of it.  If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response.  Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve.  Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples.  Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return.  In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful.  The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.

Is it true that the wafer is broken and that we (customers) are back to square one? 

[Xian01]

THIS ^^ Your approach is flawed. Treating others how they treat you does not give a good image to customers and possible future customers.

If you treat your current customers badly...likely the future ones will hear about it and then it is a recursive endless death spiral.

One line that has always held true: Pride goes before a fall. You are no special case. PirateAt40 was prideful, MNW was too, Bruce Wagner as well...see a pattern yet?

BFL and you Josh are on that path with your outrageous claims on delivery times, speeds, power, prices, and not to mention your immature manner on the forums as the COO of BFL.

I may be a troll and sometimes immature but then again I am NOT the COO of BFL. Big difference buddy lol.

 ... and he hits it out of the park ! It's a Grand Slam Home Run folks !

[centove]

Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.

Respect is earned and not bought, if someone behaves like an idiot I expect them to be treated like an idiot independent of the size of their wallet.

This is pretty much the long and short of it.  If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response.  Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve.  Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples.  Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return.  In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful.  The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.

You know, not for nothing, but you guys have an 'official' forum with an 'official' announcements board that you don't seem to use. This lets people make all sorts of wild speculations. It also sounds like BFL is a bunch of talented engineers, and as such tend to think every design will only have minimal problems so they base the estimates on that. Failing to take into account stuff doesn't always work correctly and any estimate should be worst case scenario. Take the current drama going on about the new pcb/chips you 'should' have them by the end of the week ? Realistically you should estimate them coming in 2 weeks and base the public info on that. That gives time for shipping delays or other unforeseen issues. Then _IF_ they come in on time and the work as expected you guys look like heroes. So from the rumor mill (which is all we realistically have to go by) are you not shipping/building anything while you wait for the new batch of whatever? (see a post in the 'official' announcements board would go along way)
 

[cdog]

Im not sure what more unreal, that the wafer is "lost" like some homework that the dog ate, there was no official announcement about this, the fact that this guy is the COO and public face of a multimillion dollar company, or that he hasnt been fired and replaced by someone who is well suited for the job.

It might ship next week. Uh-huh. Sure. Right. Just like it was gonna ship next week in December of 2012?

Its all pretty mindblowing. I wonder how many people are cancelling preorders this week vs how many new orders are coming in.

It could all just collapse very quickly now for them, especially if BTC has a bad week/month, all of BFL may go poof and "relocate" to a China which has no extradition policy with the USA.

[PuertoLibre]

Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.

Respect is earned and not bought, if someone behaves like an idiot I expect them to be treated like an idiot independent of the size of their wallet.

This is pretty much the long and short of it.  If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response.  Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve.  Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples.  Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return.  In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful.  The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.

On my tenth post in dealing with Inaba he threatened to hold a restraining order against me (on bogus trumped up charges). This was to keep me from ever referring any statements to BFL, Himself and/or keep me from interacting with the forum. He stated that my daughter and family might be incarcerated or financially held liable. This was because I dispatched an email and complained to BFL that his behavior was "unacceptable" and he was costing them money. He (Josh) in turn intercepted the emails and then stole my private information contained within the complaint.

He then addressed me to de-escalate my interactions in PM. Which I then sent the PM to TheyMos (Site Admin).

TheyMos then agreed that Josh was....I don't recall the wording exactly...but something akin to an asshole. He thought I should post it publicly. Josh (in the midst of his threatening PM) asked me not to reveal the PM at that time.

I told Josh that he could not prevent me from bringing my complaint to BFL (his employers). Since then he and I have never gotten along. Since then he and I have been cats and dogs.

-----------------------

For months now, Inaba has been spreading all kinds of baloney. If you believe him, without actually looking into his claims, then you deserve to be duped. Do you homework first and read up, then make your decision.

If it hasn't become pretty obvious by now, he has a pretty low standing in the community due to....all sorts of things.

The only reason why people even treat him amicably is because he has others pre-order money and probably because they REALLY (I mean REALLY) want the e-money printing machine. (Jalapeno, Little Single, Single, MiniRig)

If it weren't for their pre-order money and a hopeful promise, I doubt most customers would tolerate Josh/Inaba for any length of time.

----------------------

I personally think Josh knows this, so that is why he is such an asshole. He doesn't have to be nice. Not to customers or even to prospective customers. He knows people will lose their pre-order if they lose their cool. So they don't and bite their lip. They are willful "hostages" as another BFL customer mentioned in his "quiet rage" at Inabas/Josh postings and surreal attitude.

Keep in mind what you getting into before you send funds to BFL. That is all. Read up on the past, then with that information you will make your own informed decisions.

[k9quaint]

Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples.  Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood...

He has a point, since in many posts I am quoting an assertion made by Inaba that has turned out to be false.

[CoinHoarder]

Drama


Always drama going on in this subforum. I got tired of debating this stuff months ago and only pop in to voice my opinion every now and then.

BFL has been quiet since they received their new PCB last Friday. I'm speculating that the power problem was not fixed with this revision, otherwise they'd have shown it off by now in pics or a video.

I hope all you debaters (and some of you masterdebaters  ) are doing well,

Cheers,

Ch

[Frizz23]

Let me fix that for you:

I thought BFL stopped using bitcointalk the Internet for official statements anyway, the info you just posted kind of supports that as well doesn't it. So anything Josh posts here these days is HIS PERSONAL views/estimates insults and blatant lies, as was already said.

Questions for you: Were does BFL post official statements? Is it the bullshit on their always outdated homepage ("... we are in final stage development")? Buried in deep shit on their forums? On grnbrgs Twitter feed? ... where are those official statements you're talking about?

[Tehfiend]

This is pretty much the long and short of it.  If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response.  Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve.  Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples.  Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return.  In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful.  The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.

The only problem with your rationalization that "the problem is Bitcointalk" is that you don't see this same behavior towards Bitsyncom. They have also had some issues and delays yet the attitude towards them is drastically different. If what you claim about these forums was true then Bitsyncom would also be experiencing the same response that you are. Care to explain this anomaly?

[mojod]

Great thread and discussion, guys.

Can we try to get back on topic?

Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?

Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?

[greaterninja]

Great thread and discussion, guys.

Can we try to get back on topic?

Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?

Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?

I agree.  Please address the concerns of the community, rather than childish insults and poor customer service (both parties).

[Tehfiend]

Questions for you: Were does BFL post official statements? Is it the bullshit on their always outdated homepage ("... we are in final stage development")? Buried in deep shit on their forums? On grnbrgs Twitter feed? ... where are those official statements you're talking about?

I've been under the impression that the official updates would be posted here since that is what is linked after you order. You'll notice the "more to come in the next day or two" is more than 2 weeks over due yet Josh somehow has plenty of time do damage control on these "irrelevant" forums that he just bought advertising on.

Great thread and discussion, guys.

Can we try to get back on topic?

Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?

Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?

According to this topic, Josh posted that a wafer "was mostly trashed".

[dogie]

Manic depressive disorder would also explain his outbursts. He seems to disappear for lengthy periods, only to burst onto the scene calling people liars and trolls but seldom addressing the underlying issues. He does not seem rational or have any patience.

Except, you're the one obsessing about BFL and me personally, heh.  You might want to check yourself

Couldn't have been more perfect.

[Xian01]

Manic depressive disorder would also explain his outbursts. He seems to disappear for lengthy periods, only to burst onto the scene calling people liars and trolls but seldom addressing the underlying issues. He does not seem rational or have any patience.

Except, you're the one obsessing about BFL and me personally, heh.  You might want to check yourself

Couldn't have been more perfect.

[Bogart]

Wow some of you guys must have A LOT of time on your hands. I'd really like to know what happened with the chips. Some say wafer busted, some say chips lost. Will we ever know what really happened?

My reckoning is the "busted" wafer being mentioned may actually the "burned" wafer that was sacrificed for early testing in a wire-bonding rig.

Or they could be having yield problems, and one wafer in particular aside from the "burned" one was so bad it had to be scrapped entirely.

It sounds a bit like they are hoping for better results from their next round of wafers.  Whether this is the second set of 6 wafers, or the set of 50+ "mass production" wafers being waited on at this point, I'm not clear on.

[tigerfree]

 Inaba  why you dont tell us where the other Wafer you have and how long it take to ship our product to be honest worst investment i did.

[Xian01]

Inaba  why you dont tell us where the other Wafer you have and how long it take to ship our product to be honest worst investment i did.

 He won't tell us anything. He's too busy silencing dissent on the BFL shout-box and refusing to answer difficult, pointed questions.

 Dude just plain does not give a fuck about this place, his behavior, his customers, or his companies public image.

[Crypt_Current]

I got my update email and accepted the new specs post-haste.

http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5015fc3486176144c53751877&id=3af5f83481&e=07b9e37e2a

Trollz gon troll; haterz gon hate.

Can't wait to start raking in the (even moar) dough. 

Josh / Inaba, you are rule; please continue to bring the harsh yet just reality of verbal meatspace to the noosphere.

[Xian01]

I got my update email and accepted the new specs post-haste.
Trollz gon troll; haterz gon hate.
Josh / Inaba, you are rule; please continue to bring the harsh yet just reality of verbal meatspace to the noosphere.

 I confirmed my orders as well. It's unfortunate to see people supporting and applauding Josh's unprofessionalism on these forums.

[Bicknellski]

So who brought up the waffles... hmmmm dimsum vs waffles.... hmmm.

[PuertoLibre]

I got my update email and accepted the new specs post-haste.

http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5015fc3486176144c53751877&id=3af5f83481&e=07b9e37e2a

Trollz gon troll; haterz gon hate.

Can't wait to start raking in the (even moar) dough. 

Josh / Inaba, you are rule; please continue to bring the harsh yet just reality of verbal meatspace to the noosphere.

Right On!

Order yours Now!

www.butterflylabs.com

(Master BFL Shill)

[dan99]

I thought you say BFL Water Broke now it can be deliver

[bce]

I thought you say BFL Water Broke now it can be deliver

9 month delay? 

[Inaba]

I thought you say BFL Water Broke now it can be deliver

9 month delay? 

Ok, now this shit be funny.

[YipYip]

I got my update email and accepted the new specs post-haste.

http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5015fc3486176144c53751877&id=3af5f83481&e=07b9e37e2a

Trollz gon troll; haterz gon hate.

Can't wait to start raking in the (even moar) dough. 

Josh / Inaba, you are rule; please continue to bring the harsh yet just reality of verbal meatspace to the noosphere.

Just accepted the "no-refunds" term and conditions ...

Good luck with that ... Cant wait to see the swarm of locusts show up at your door with your unit... lol 

[mobodick]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot. 

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

[mobodick]

Great thread and discussion, guys.

Can we try to get back on topic?

Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?

Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?

LOL., you must be new here so let me explain how it goes.

-Thread starts with some worrysome news about BFL
-The usual trolls come on stage
-Josh comes on stage
-Josh addresses only the trolls but is oblivious to most of the actual questions.
-Thread escalates.
-Questions about the worrysome news go unanswered.

So sit back and enjoy the final part of this thread.

[Bicknellski]

SO,

back on topic... waffles or dimsum?

[jimmy3dita]

SO,

back on topic... waffles or dimsum?

*

[jordaninthesky]

Great thread and discussion, guys.

Can we try to get back on topic?

Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?

Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?

LOL., you must be new here so let me explain how it goes.

-Thread starts with some worrysome news about BFL
-The usual trolls come on stage
-Josh comes on stage
-Josh addresses only the trolls but is oblivious to most of the actual questions.
-Thread escalates.
-Questions about the worrysome news go unanswered.

So sit back and enjoy the final part of this thread.

[Xian01]

Ok, now this shit be funny.

 A little bit incredulous that you think being so late to deliver your product is something you should find funny.

 Way to continue fostering a positive and healthy image for Butterfly Labs !

[centove]

SO,

back on topic... waffles or dimsum?

*

I want waffles!

[sensei]

SO,

back on topic... waffles or dimsum?

*

I want waffles!

Don't forget the chicken...

[Xian01]

SO,
back on topic... waffles or dimsum?

*

I want waffles!

Don't forget the chicken...

 I'm going to make a way-out suggestion and say "Screw your waffles, dimsum, and chicken. I say we move to Poutine !"

[rograz]

SO,

back on topic... waffles or dimsum?

*

I want waffles!

Don't forget the chicken...

mmm waffles with chicken, can I still have syrup with that?

[Bicknellski]

SO,
back on topic... waffles or dimsum?

*

I want waffles!

Don't forget the chicken...

 I'm going to make a way-out suggestion and say "Screw your waffles, dimsum, and chicken. I say we move to Poutine !"

Poutine avec sauces picante pis un pepsi SVP.

[jorgebuck]

SO,

back on topic... waffles or dimsum?

*

I want waffles!

Don't forget the chicken...

mmm waffles with chicken, can I still have syrup with that?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/37/80785169_8d0f1a831c.jpg

you can get anything you want at roscoes chicken and waffles

[kano]

This is pretty much the long and short of it.  If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response.  Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve.  Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples.  Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return.  In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful.  The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.

The only problem with your rationalization that "the problem is Bitcointalk" is that you don't see this same behavior towards Bitsyncom. They have also had some issues and delays yet the attitude towards them is drastically different. If what you claim about these forums was true then Bitsyncom would also be experiencing the same response that you are. Care to explain this anomaly?

Um right? You missed reality there.
Firstly you stated "you don't see this same behavior towards Bitsyncom" - which is incorrect, not many, but not zero.
However, anyone with an Avalon order knows that if they get on GitSyncom's bad side, their order may be delayed or lost.
That's why the Avalon orders are silent about the fact that Avalon stopped shipping quite a while ago and have delayed for about 2 months so far and not shipped anything that they were able to produce and ship 3.5 months ago.
... even though according to them, the money you give them is used to produce your product (and thus you have no option for a refund) but also apparently it hasn't been producing the products at all ... ...

[Xian01]

However, anyone with an Avalon order knows that if they get on GitSyncom's bad side, their order may be delayed or lost.

 So what you are inferring is if one were to get on Josh's bad-side, their order might be delayed or lost as well ?

 Interesting how both BitSyncom and Josh are so seemingly alike.

 Josh threatened to adjust my orders in the queue just yesterday before he silenced me on the Butterfly Labs shoutbox.

[DataPlumber]

Ok, now this shit be funny.

A little bit incredulous that you think being so late to deliver your product is something you should find funny.

 Way to continue fostering a positive and healthy image for Butterfly Labs !

Way to conveniently remove context.  He's not allowed to think a joke is funny?

God help him if he ever simply posts "Yes." to a question.   You could make him agree to anything!

[Xian01]

God help him if he ever simply posts "Yes." to a question.   You could make him agree to anything!

 God help him if he ever answers a direct question without resorting to cries of "Troll".

 Your shill is showing.

[DataPlumber]

Your shill is showing.

Took longer than I expected for that particular ad hominem  to be flung, but still less than 24 hours.

Should I assume you're a shill for Avalon, then?  Or can we just not play that lame, stupid game..?

[Xian01]

Your shill is showing.

Took longer than I expected for that particular ad hominem  to be flung, but still less than 24 hours.

Should I assume you're a shill for Avalon, then?  Or can we just not play that lame, stupid game..?

 I have 4 orders for BFL Single SC's @ 60GH/s. Ask me why I'm angry again.

[DataPlumber]

Your shill is showing.

Took longer than I expected for that particular ad hominem to be flung, but still less than 24 hours.

Should I assume you're a shill for Avalon, then?  Or can we just not play that lame, stupid game..?

I have 4 orders for BFL Single SC's @ 60GH/s. Ask me why I'm angry again.

I have one on order too.  But I probably placed mine much later, when there was no longer any deadline credibility to lose.  So if you expected November delivery, then yeah, I feel for ya, because this has been a timeline disaster.

But I don't necessarily think this is a good enough excuse to try to destroy any remaining value of the forum as a place for useful discussion.  If I had another place to go to try to find a useful discussion about what's going on at BFL, I'd go there.

As it is, there are a few people that jump on any BFL thread and do everything they can to hijack/destroy them.  And that disappoints me.  So I'm trying to somewhat counterbalance the anger with rationality.

[bce]

Ok, now this shit be funny.

 A little bit incredulous that you think being so late to deliver your product is something you should find funny.

 Way to continue fostering a positive and healthy image for Butterfly Labs !

It was meant as a joke, dude.    I've been waiting since June 2012 on my pre-order, so I seriously understand everyone's frustration, but there's nothing much anyone can do but wait and see how the redesigned boards / enclosures work.

[Tehfiend]

This is pretty much the long and short of it.  If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response.  Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve.  Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples.  Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return.  In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful.  The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.

The only problem with your rationalization that "the problem is Bitcointalk" is that you don't see this same behavior towards Bitsyncom. They have also had some issues and delays yet the attitude towards them is drastically different. If what you claim about these forums was true then Bitsyncom would also be experiencing the same response that you are. Care to explain this anomaly?

Um right? You missed reality there.
Firstly you stated "you don't see this same behavior towards Bitsyncom" - which is incorrect, not many, but not zero.
However, anyone with an Avalon order knows that if they get on GitSyncom's bad side, their order may be delayed or lost.
That's why the Avalon orders are silent about the fact that Avalon stopped shipping quite a while ago and have delayed for about 2 months so far and not shipped anything that they were able to produce and ship 3.5 months ago.
... even though according to them, the money you give them is used to produce your product (and thus you have no option for a refund) but also apparently it hasn't been producing the products at all ... ...

I'm sorry but the behavior is not the same. If I remember correctly, somebody actually took ads out to advertise BFL's shipping delays on these forums. There is literally a mob of anti-BFL vigilantes patrolling this forum. Yes both companies have pissed off customers but my point is that the way Josh is handling it is the source of the extreme controversy you see here, not to forum itself as he claims. I will make my point with one simple quote Yufi made in his dispute with you:

Well, then. I man up and apologizes for doubting your intention. I suppose I read too much into it, and now can move on to better things.

I haven't been afraid of stating my concerns with Bitsyncom here because I trust Yufi. You will not see anything like that from Josh. It's his behavior that is damaging BFL's credibility more than the delays themselves IMO.

[dykast]

Back on topic.  There are no broken wafers.  I think OP somehow got confused with the wafer that was burned months ago for testing.

/thread

This can be closed now or moved to off topic since it's turned into another bfl troll/fanboy thread.

[centove]

Back on topic.  There are no broken wafers.  I think OP somehow got confused with the wafer that was burned months ago for testing.

/thread

This can be closed now or moved to off topic since it's turned into another bfl troll/fanboy thread.

But I didn't get my waffle!!!

[dykast]

A WHOLE HOUSE OF WAFFLES!!!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkzSPeR2t27RrTtSMnCkdkkFK6WewLj4T1m9TdPXvLM97AaqXn

[firefop]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot. 

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

[Xian01]

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

 Some of us are not into being figuratively sodomized with thousands of our own dollars, this close to a possible shipping schedule.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.
Keep it up Josh.

 Pray tell, what state are you talking about ?

[Schrankwand]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot. 

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

You see, that is true. There is however a difference between being tough and awesome and being an asshole.

Compare what Donald Trump does all day to what Josh did here. That is the difference. I think Josh has the potential, if he starts cranking the awesome up a little more.

[DataPlumber]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot. 

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

You see, that is true. There is however a difference between being tough and awesome and being an asshole.

Compare what Donald Trump does all day to what Josh did here. That is the difference. I think Josh has the potential, if he starts cranking the awesome up a little more.

So if I understand you correctly, it's ok to be an asshole, so long as the level of awesome is large enough to eclipse the level of asshole.  But if more asshole peeks out than can be effectively hidden by the awesome, it immediately becomes fail?

I believe this can be applied to other areas too, such as arrogance and competence, or annoying vs entertaining.

[rograz]

Your shill is showing.

Took longer than I expected for that particular ad hominem  to be flung, but still less than 24 hours.

Should I assume you're a shill for Avalon, then?  Or can we just not play that lame, stupid game..?

 I have 4 orders for BFL Single SC's @ 60GH/s. Ask me why I'm angry again.

I have orders for a similar amount but to me waffles are more important so can we please get back on topic, the waffle topic that is.

I wish I had some waffles, that picture earlier almost killed me from the lack of waffles in my house
I will be dreaming about waffles tonight, then just as I'm about to eat them someone is going to steal them from me, waffle nightmares.

[Xian01]

I have orders for a similar amount but to me waffles are more important so can we please get back on topic, the waffle topic that is.

[centove]

Your shill is showing.

Took longer than I expected for that particular ad hominem  to be flung, but still less than 24 hours.

Should I assume you're a shill for Avalon, then?  Or can we just not play that lame, stupid game..?

 I have 4 orders for BFL Single SC's @ 60GH/s. Ask me why I'm angry again.

I have orders for a similar amount but to me waffles are more important so can we please get back on topic, the waffle topic that is.

I wish I had some waffles, that picture earlier almost killed me from the lack of waffles in my house
I will be dreaming about waffles tonight, then just as I'm about to eat them someone is going to steal them from me, waffle nightmares.

Waffle!

[computerparts]

Back on topic.  There are no broken wafers.  I think OP somehow got confused with the wafer that was burned months ago for testing.

/thread

This can be closed now or moved to off topic since it's turned into another bfl troll/fanboy thread.

Then why did the status suddenly go from waiting on boards to waiting on the next batch of chips? Are the yields complete shit? Last I knew, the chips were fine and they were just waiting on boards. But now they're waiting for another batch of chips. What happened with the last batch?

[dykast]

Back on topic.  There are no broken wafers.  I think OP somehow got confused with the wafer that was burned months ago for testing.

/thread

This can be closed now or moved to off topic since it's turned into another bfl troll/fanboy thread.

Then why did the status suddenly go from waiting on boards to waiting on the next batch of chips? Are the yields complete shit? Last I knew, the chips were fine and they were just waiting on boards. But now they're waiting for another batch of chips. What happened with the last batch?

From the information I have seen, and yes it's confusing as all hell, so don't take this as some sort of definitive answer.  The chips that they did/do have have gone into/are going into the 5 gh machines.  I think in terms of the next "batch" they are talking about the "big" 75 wafer order.

This is from Josh from the shoutbox on 5/1

"I believe the boards are done, but we're waiting on the next set of chips. Should have that by the end of the week. Still will need to get the firmware to talk to the new boards, but that should be fairly trivial. Assuming no issues with the PCB on an electrical/physical level, we might be able to start shipment of LS/Singles next week."

Going by this and BFL time, i doubt we will see any little/big singles shipping for at least 3 weeks or more.


I only came into this thread because i knew there wasn't a broken wafer, and give people waffles.

[Tamerz]

OK, maybe my memory is not serving me well...

Didn't they basically "waste" a whole wafer testing when the testing rig didn't work? Then they had another wafer, which is probably where the ones made so far came from.

Pretty sure that is all they had?

[dykast]

OK, maybe my memory is not serving me well...

Didn't they basically "waste" a whole wafer testing when the testing rig didn't work? Then they had another wafer, which is probably where the ones made so far came from.

Pretty sure that is all they had?

Yes they "burned"(no clue wtf that actually means) their first wafer just to make sure the logic and cores worked properly. They(the Asic designers not BFL) setup a chip(s) in a test rig without bumping it.  There are some pictures out there showing the chip with wires and crap coming out of it.  (I might be using the wrong terminology for this stuff, please don't flame).  From what I remember that wafer had better results then the other chips that were bumped and put on the 5 gh boards/Luke's unit coming from the other wafer.

Again, this is just my understanding of the situation.  I just go by what I have read.

[bce]

Let's just hope that the wafer delivery truck doesn't get lost! 

This might help:

[Bitcoinorama]

The irony here is the slang verb to "waffle", in the UK, means to talk complete crap constantly.

If someone waffles all the time, they are talking sh*te.

Totally true!

[PuertoLibre]

Back on topic.  There are no broken wafers.  I think OP somehow got confused with the wafer that was burned months ago for testing.

/thread

This can be closed now or moved to off topic since it's turned into another bfl troll/fanboy thread.

Then why did the status suddenly go from waiting on boards to waiting on the next batch of chips? Are the yields complete shit? Last I knew, the chips were fine and they were just waiting on boards. But now they're waiting for another batch of chips. What happened with the last batch?

Josh ate the last batch of chips. There is a photo of the bags somewhere in Luke's visit. They are right next to the labs "assembly line".

Joking aside,
Josh also had several MiniRigs he said he had himself "pre-ordered" and intended to take from the 5 remaining wafers.

So it could be that perhaps he has taken them for himself and his customer must wait.


-------------------------

Right about now, you might think I am lying so I will post a link to reassure you it is the actual truth:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1443-josh-taking-asics-batch-1-mine-his-own-mining-company.html

-------------------------

Okay, now that you know that little truth, comment on it?

Note: For those who don't know a MiniRig has 24 (old) Singles inside. That means it uses about 192chips.

With the redesign though, it will now probably use double that...or about 400. Probably.

With there being two that he wanted to take for himself before any customer took theirs...the quantity should be around 800. It could be more, as we do not know what the BFL plan is to reconstruct the Mini-Rigs in smaller sizes. They might use more chips? We don't know.

Each wafer only has (at best) 1100 chips. There were only 6 in the last batch. Out of those 6, 1 was used for manual testing and was therefore "burned".

[PuertoLibre]

Oh, and if anyone (newbies) are curious,

Josh recently said that they ran out of MiniRig boxes.

Here is my conundrum of the day....

--------------------------

BFL hasn't said they have shipped any MiniRig's to any of the customers....they have seemingly stopped shipping out the Jalepenos.

So why would they suddenly run out of cases if they haven't shipped out any?

Hmmm....makes one wonder, huh?

Edit: Did Josh already take his order out of the pile as he intended? (even though most customers objected)

[Schrankwand]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot. 

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

You see, that is true. There is however a difference between being tough and awesome and being an asshole.

Compare what Donald Trump does all day to what Josh did here. That is the difference. I think Josh has the potential, if he starts cranking the awesome up a little more.

So if I understand you correctly, it's ok to be an asshole, so long as the level of awesome is large enough to eclipse the level of asshole.  But if more asshole peeks out than can be effectively hidden by the awesome, it immediately becomes fail?

I believe this can be applied to other areas too, such as arrogance and competence, or annoying vs entertaining.

Yup, that is about it.

Look up George Carlin, the comedy genius. One of the main points though is that you are definitely going to either needs tons of money, social proof or success to pull it off.

Donald Trump has named his towers after himself and is a billionaire, he has proven himself in that market. He'd make an ass out of himself if he gave seminars on dog training or stuff like this. As an entrepreneur and financial advisor, he is gold and can push the envelope. Note that he never insults though. In our trainings, we say "tough on the issue, soft on the person." So you will never attack personality, calling people imbeciles and so on. Instead, you demonstrate anything they say, spin it far enough that it makes them look like an assclown and then come from a position of authority.  Rhetoric Jiujitsu

[computerparts]

Each wafer only has (at best) 1100 chips. There were only 6 in the last batch. Out of those 6, 1 was used for manual testing and was therefore "burned".

I haven't seen any info on what size of wafer they are using. Has it been posted anywhere that they yield only 1100 chips per wafer? They must be using a fairly small wafer. It should be far more than that given the 65nm process.

[PuertoLibre]

Each wafer only has (at best) 1100 chips. There were only 6 in the last batch. Out of those 6, 1 was used for manual testing and was therefore "burned".

I haven't seen any info on what size of wafer they are using.

300mm.

Has it been posted anywhere that they yield only 1100 chips per wafer?

That is the estimated maximum yield as revealed by Inaba. If there are any bad chips of course the yield per wafer will shrink lower than that. BFL has said they (if I recall correctly) that they find 80% yield to be within their expectations.

They must be using a fairly small wafer. It should be far more than that given the 65nm process.

<Shrug> Thats what BFL said. Other hardware folks have done the math and it seems to be spot on for their die size.

It's been discussed [previously] at length in this board.

[meowmeowbrowncow]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot.  

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

You see, that is true. There is however a difference between being tough and awesome and being an asshole.

Compare what Donald Trump does all day to what Josh did here. That is the difference. I think Josh has the potential, if he starts cranking the awesome up a little more.

So if I understand you correctly, it's ok to be an asshole, so long as the level of awesome is large enough to eclipse the level of asshole.  But if more asshole peeks out than can be effectively hidden by the awesome, it immediately becomes fail?

I believe this can be applied to other areas too, such as arrogance and competence, or annoying vs entertaining.

Yup, that is about it.

Look up George Carlin, the comedy genius. One of the main points though is that you are definitely going to either needs tons of money, social proof or success to pull it off.

Donald Trump has named his towers after himself and is a billionaire, he has proven himself in that market. He'd make an ass out of himself if he gave seminars on dog training or stuff like this. As an entrepreneur and financial advisor, he is gold and can push the envelope. Note that he never insults though. In our trainings, we say "tough on the issue, soft on the person." So you will never attack personality, calling people imbeciles and so on. Instead, you demonstrate anything they say, spin it far enough that it makes them look like an assclown and then come from a position of authority.  Rhetoric Jiujitsu

What?  Seriously?  Should we be comparing Josh Zerlan to the likes of someone that's actually truly successful like Donald Trump?  So, that a decent analogy of competence vs arrogance can be used?


I'm sorry.  I must have missed the part where BFL has exceeded customer expectations and is DOMINATING ASIC.  


Ummm, oh, right.  That isn't happening.  In fact, as a BFL customer the cockles of my heart are warmed by the fact that I will need to purchase two extra PSU's and some thicker AWG cables for my mining operation.  And, after the great power efficiency marketing effort by BFL no less.  Com'on.


In reality land - smart people see past rhetorical devices and realize them for what they are:  verbal manipulation.


It's total crap.  No average customer in their right mind would ever think Josh is a good representative of his company.


I just think all of the fanboys and apologists are really, truly, completely STRANGE.

[YipYip]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot.  

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

You see, that is true. There is however a difference between being tough and awesome and being an asshole.

Compare what Donald Trump does all day to what Josh did here. That is the difference. I think Josh has the potential, if he starts cranking the awesome up a little more.

So if I understand you correctly, it's ok to be an asshole, so long as the level of awesome is large enough to eclipse the level of asshole.  But if more asshole peeks out than can be effectively hidden by the awesome, it immediately becomes fail?

I believe this can be applied to other areas too, such as arrogance and competence, or annoying vs entertaining.

Yup, that is about it.

Look up George Carlin, the comedy genius. One of the main points though is that you are definitely going to either needs tons of money, social proof or success to pull it off.

Donald Trump has named his towers after himself and is a billionaire, he has proven himself in that market. He'd make an ass out of himself if he gave seminars on dog training or stuff like this. As an entrepreneur and financial advisor, he is gold and can push the envelope. Note that he never insults though. In our trainings, we say "tough on the issue, soft on the person." So you will never attack personality, calling people imbeciles and so on. Instead, you demonstrate anything they say, spin it far enough that it makes them look like an assclown and then come from a position of authority.  Rhetoric Jiujitsu

What?  Seriously?  Should we be comparing Josh Zerlan to the likes of someone that's actually truly successful like Donald Trump?  So, that a decent analogy of competence vs arrogance can be used?


I'm sorry.  I must have missed the part where BFL has exceeded customer expectations and is DOMINATING ASIC.  


Ummm, oh, right.  That isn't happening.  In fact, as a BFL customer the cockles of my heart are warmed by the fact that I will need to purchase two extra PSU's and some thicker AWG cables for my mining operation.  And, after the great power efficiency marketing effort by BFL no less.  Com'on.


In reality land - smart people see past rhetorical devices and realize them for what they are:  verbal manipulation.


It's total crap.  No average customer in their right mind would ever think Josh is a good representative of his company.


I just think all of the fanboys and apologists are really, truly, completely STRANGE.

Plain and simple the greed gland always triumphs over morals and logic  in some people

if he was arse raping baby pandas they would still justify it .... "you cant blame josh that panda was asking for it with all that fur and cuteness..."

Just for the almighty $

..Oh and also the crap about being an arsehole as long as you are successful ... i beg to differ

 I think all u really have is an asshole with money

Met these people in my life many times and like Josh I am sure late at night when he is alone (I am sure he is alone a lot ) ... he is Sooooooooooooooooooo happy...lol



 

[computerparts]

Each wafer only has (at best) 1100 chips. There were only 6 in the last batch. Out of those 6, 1 was used for manual testing and was therefore "burned".

I haven't seen any info on what size of wafer they are using.

300mm.

Has it been posted anywhere that they yield only 1100 chips per wafer?

That is the estimated maximum yield as revealed by Inaba. If there are any bad chips of course the yield per wafer will shrink lower than that. BFL has said they (if I recall correctly) that they find 80% yield to be within their expectations.

They must be using a fairly small wafer. It should be far more than that given the 65nm process.

<Shrug> Thats what BFL said. Other hardware folks have done the math and it seems to be spot on for their die size.

It's been discussed [previously] at length in this board.

That is indeed about right, although a bit on the high side, for a 300mm wafer. For some reason I thought they were using bigger wafers.

[jordaninthesky]

I was deemed whiny the moment I had a complained that it was taken so long.  It wasn't until Paypal called me up and asked me if I was satisfied with my 7 month order with BFL, that I had to actually evaluate what was going on.  Such transparent shady Sh*t, I cannot stand it.  Funny how him being called out and how the price of BTC is taking a hit seems to coincide.  I wouldn't mind if Micon disabled his sealswithclubs to protest Josh's behavior.  I think the BTC and observing community all want the same thing here when it comes to Josh delivering and not turning into a big scamartist.  Why is it so hard to be straight?  Can it only be because one is caught up with keeping the face of previous "facts"?

[Bicknellski]

I was deemed whiny the moment I had a complained that it was taken so long.  It wasn't until Paypal called me up and asked me if I was satisfied with my 7 month order with BFL, that I had to actually evaluate what was going on.  Such transparent shady Sh*t, I cannot stand it.  Funny how him being called out and how the price of BTC is taking a hit seems to coincide.  I wouldn't mind if Micon disabled his sealswithclubs to protest Josh's behavior.  I think the BTC and observing community all want the same thing here when it comes to Josh delivering and not turning into a big scamartist.  Why is it so hard to be straight?  Can it only be because one is caught up with keeping the face of previous "facts"?

WOW! Someone got screwed. Ouch.

[Bicknellski]

Back on topic.  There are no broken wafers.  I think OP somehow got confused with the wafer that was burned months ago for testing.

/thread

This can be closed now or moved to off topic since it's turned into another bfl troll/fanboy thread.

But I didn't get my waffle!!!

We are looking for Poutine now... not waffles.

[Xian01]

We are looking for Poutine now... not waffles.

... I mean, say what you will about the French Canadian's, but goddamn do they ever come up with great comfort food.

[Bicknellski]

See above.

NICE!

YUMMY!

[DataPlumber]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot.  

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

You see, that is true. There is however a difference between being tough and awesome and being an asshole.

Compare what Donald Trump does all day to what Josh did here. That is the difference. I think Josh has the potential, if he starts cranking the awesome up a little more.

So if I understand you correctly, it's ok to be an asshole, so long as the level of awesome is large enough to eclipse the level of asshole.  But if more asshole peeks out than can be effectively hidden by the awesome, it immediately becomes fail?

I believe this can be applied to other areas too, such as arrogance and competence, or annoying vs entertaining.

Yup, that is about it.

Look up George Carlin, the comedy genius. One of the main points though is that you are definitely going to either needs tons of money, social proof or success to pull it off.

Donald Trump has named his towers after himself and is a billionaire, he has proven himself in that market. He'd make an ass out of himself if he gave seminars on dog training or stuff like this. As an entrepreneur and financial advisor, he is gold and can push the envelope. Note that he never insults though. In our trainings, we say "tough on the issue, soft on the person." So you will never attack personality, calling people imbeciles and so on. Instead, you demonstrate anything they say, spin it far enough that it makes them look like an assclown and then come from a position of authority.  Rhetoric Jiujitsu

What?  Seriously?  Should we be comparing Josh Zerlan to the likes of someone that's actually truly successful like Donald Trump?  So, that a decent analogy of competence vs arrogance can be used?


I'm sorry.  I must have missed the part where BFL has exceeded customer expectations and is DOMINATING ASIC.  


Ummm, oh, right.  That isn't happening.  In fact, as a BFL customer the cockles of my heart are warmed by the fact that I will need to purchase two extra PSU's and some thicker AWG cables for my mining operation.  And, after the great power efficiency marketing effort by BFL no less.  Com'on.


In reality land - smart people see past rhetorical devices and realize them for what they are:  verbal manipulation.


It's total crap.  No average customer in their right mind would ever think Josh is a good representative of his company.


I just think all of the fanboys and apologists are really, truly, completely STRANGE.

Clearly, you missed the shift into the hypothetical.  I like to talk about ideas, not people.

[Bicknellski]

Do you prefer poutine or waffles? Forget ideas and the hypothetical.

[DataPlumber]

Do you prefer poutine or waffles? Forget ideas and the hypothetical.

I don't think gravy belongs on fries.

Sorry, that's still more hypothetical.

I like waffles.

[rograz]

I don't think gravy belongs on fries.

I like waffles.

How about waffles with gravy?

[Schrankwand]

What?  Seriously?  Should we be comparing Josh Zerlan to the likes of someone that's actually truly successful like Donald Trump?  So, that a decent analogy of competence vs arrogance can be used?

I'm sorry.  I must have missed the part where BFL has exceeded customer expectations and is DOMINATING ASIC. 

Ummm, oh, right.  That isn't happening.  In fact, as a BFL customer the cockles of my heart are warmed by the fact that I will need to purchase two extra PSU's and some thicker AWG cables for my mining operation.  And, after the great power efficiency marketing effort by BFL no less.  Com'on.

In reality land - smart people see past rhetorical devices and realize them for what they are:  verbal manipulation.

It's total crap.  No average customer in their right mind would ever think Josh is a good representative of his company.

I just think all of the fanboys and apologists are really, truly, completely STRANGE.

Yup, that is about it, he is NOT.

That was the whole point. If you are awesome and successful, you can pull it off. If your customers are raging and want to throw things on your head and name their mistake children after you, then you should not pull stunts.

[jordaninthesky]

Latest news is that the wafer that broke was the first of several wafers, and it was discarded after being used as a burn in to test the potency of the batch.  There were mixed comments that suggest both possibilities, but I believe despite BFL being sloppy assholes, they do realize the position they are in and are going to step up in terms of efficiency.  Now this isn't verbatim and Josh is clearly allowed to change his mind.

[minternj]

We are looking for Poutine now... not waffles.

... I mean, say what you will about the French Canadian's, but goddamn do they ever come up with great comfort food.

Good lord. That looks amazingly delicious.

[computerparts]

We are looking for Poutine now... not waffles.

... I mean, say what you will about the French Canadian's, but goddamn do they ever come up with great comfort food.

Good lord. That looks amazingly disgusting.

[kano]

...

Met these people in my life many times and like Josh I am sure late at night when he is alone (I am sure he is alone a lot ) ... he is Sooooooooooooooooooo happy...lol

And yet ... I can certainly say in this case you are wrong ... don't you hate it when you assume something based on nothing at all and it's bullshit
Oh wait that's common ...

[Xian01]

Met these people in my life many times and like Josh I am sure late at night when he is alone (I am sure he is alone a lot ) ... he is Sooooooooooooooooooo happy...lol

And yet ... I can certainly say in this case you are wrong ... don't you hate it when you assume something based on nothing at all and it's bullshit

 Might you have some ... how do I put this delicately ... intimate knowledge in these matters ?

 Oh wait. That's common now...

[Bicknellski]

Hookers don't count Kano.

[klondike_bar]

We are looking for Poutine now... not waffles.

... I mean, say what you will about the French Canadian's, but goddamn do they ever come up with great comfort food.

Good lord. That looks amazingly disgusting.

man these waffles taste like the best distraction ever! nice way to turn a BFL bitch-fest into a mouth waterer!

[Bicknellski]

If we're going to have drama at the expense of those who ordered from these BFL troglodytes, no that is too much credit, these homo habilis, yet without the "HANDY" connotation that the name implies, and have to listen to the ramblings and disinformation that their minions who are  'paid' to obfuscate then we need to be looking at something. Food porn like this is the best thing to distract us from the utter hopelessness that answers will be found in any of these threads. Poutine... that is a sexy dish!

[mobodick]

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot. 

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

Define honesty.
In my book BFL has been dishonest multiple times over the past 6 months or so.
They have made promisses they could not possibly keep.
They were deliberately advertising in a way that makes it look like they will ship soon when in reality they fully knew it they won't meet any published dates.
The dispensing of information was deliberately all over the place. While their forum has an announcement section most of the important facts were communicated in chats, blogs or external fora. Most of the information about them being late was communicated after they were ideed late and then it usually turned out that they already must have known they were going to be late before they were actually late.

So if you want to talk honesty, sure, but leave BFL out of it.
BFL is only as honest as they feel they need to be and with all the greedy buyers they don't actually have to. Beause of their position they can be dishonest bastards AND sell their asics.

[jordaninthesky]

We are looking for Poutine now... not waffles.

... I mean, say what you will about the French Canadian's, but goddamn do they ever come up with great comfort food.

Good lord. That looks amazingly disgusting.

man these waffles taste like the best distraction ever! nice way to turn a BFL bitch-fest into a mouth waterer!

Personally that looks pre-digested.  Is that gravy??

I like cheese, bread, and honey.  Potatoes are for famines, only.

BFL would probably lose everything if audited at this point..

[kano]

Met these people in my life many times and like Josh I am sure late at night when he is alone (I am sure he is alone a lot ) ... he is Sooooooooooooooooooo happy...lol

And yet ... I can certainly say in this case you are wrong ... don't you hate it when you assume something based on nothing at all and it's bullshit

 Might you have some ... how do I put this delicately ... intimate knowledge in these matters ?

 Oh wait. That's common now...

I went to BFL in February - as I wrote a blog about ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid would already know.
Oddly enough I met everyone that was there at BFL that week and in Josh's case I even had lunch/dinner with him with his wife, twice ... as I said in my short blog.

But anyway, I'd not expect those who enjoy making up crap to bother to correlate reality with the fiction that floats around in their disturbed minds ...
Fiction is probably way more fun than their shitty lives

[jordaninthesky]

Met these people in my life many times and like Josh I am sure late at night when he is alone (I am sure he is alone a lot ) ... he is Sooooooooooooooooooo happy...lol

And yet ... I can certainly say in this case you are wrong ... don't you hate it when you assume something based on nothing at all and it's bullshit

 Might you have some ... how do I put this delicately ... intimate knowledge in these matters ?

 Oh wait. That's common now...

I went to BFL in February - as I wrote a blog about ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid would already know.
Oddly enough I met everyone that was there at BFL that week and in Josh's case I even had lunch/dinner with him with his wife, twice ... as I said in my short blog.

But anyway, I'd not expect those who enjoy making up crap to bother to correlate reality with the fiction that floats around in their disturbed minds ...
Fiction is probably way more fun than their shitty lives

I'd rather not think about Josh having a wife, because the children will probably be another reason for the delays.

And Kano.  You suck.  February, huh?

[Bitcoinorama]

I went to BFL in February - as I wrote a blog about ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid would already know.

Wow, the arrogance is incredible.

Rate yourself much?

I appreciate you're a developer for one of the two main mining softwares. But for all intense and purposes you're an unknown hiding behind a pseudonym on an Internet forum, what on earth propels you to the upper echelons of assumption to believe that everyone but n00bs or the stupid would choose to willingly spend their free time following you?

Get a grip man! Some people do things outside and away from computers.

Should someone wish to follow you, you don't even help your cause by supplying a link in your signature.

[mobodick]

I went to BFL in February - as I wrote a blog about ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid would already know.

Wow, the arrogance is unbelievable.

Rate yourself much?

Who are you?

I appreciate you're a developer for one of the two main mining softwares. But for all intense and purposes you're an unknown hiding behind a pseudonym on an Internet forum, what on earth propels you to the upper echelons of assumption to believe that everyone but n00bs or the stupid would choose to willingly spend their free time following you?

Get a grip man! Some people do things outside and away from computers.

For all intensive purposes should someone wish to follow you, you don't even help your cause by supplying a link in your signature.

Chill out dude, you're way too sensitive for these forums.
Currently we are exploring whether BFLs waffles broke. Soon Josh will have a midwife crisis..

[philips]

I went to BFL in February - as I wrote a blog about ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid would already know.

Wow, the arrogance is incredible.

Rate yourself much?

Who are you?

I appreciate you're a developer for one of the two main mining softwares. But for all intense and purposes you're an unknown hiding behind a pseudonym on an Internet forum, what on earth propels you to the upper echelons of assumption to believe that everyone but n00bs or the stupid would choose to willingly spend their free time following you?

Get a grip man! Some people do things outside and away from computers.

Should someone wish to follow you, you don't even help your cause by supplying a link in your signature.

I don't see why you make such a fuss of it. He is simply right, you must be stupid or a newcomer to not know about that visit...or Luke´s visit.

[Bitcoinorama]

Fair play, apologies

[philips]

No need to, we are all watching this great story unfolding before our eyes with shiny heroes and dark villains.

And trolls, lots of them.

[-ck]

Fair play, apologies

You sir have my respect, for apologising on bitcointalk is one of the rarest actions and done by so very few humble people that exist. It doesn't even matter what you were apologising about.

[YipYip]

Met these people in my life many times and like Josh I am sure late at night when he is alone (I am sure he is alone a lot ) ... he is Sooooooooooooooooooo happy...lol

And yet ... I can certainly say in this case you are wrong ... don't you hate it when you assume something based on nothing at all and it's bullshit

 Might you have some ... how do I put this delicately ... intimate knowledge in these matters ?

 Oh wait. That's common now...

I went to BFL in February - as I wrote a blog about ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid would already know.
Oddly enough I met everyone that was there at BFL that week and in Josh's case I even had lunch/dinner with him with his wife, twice ... as I said in my short blog.

But anyway, I'd not expect those who enjoy making up crap to bother to correlate reality with the fiction that floats around in their disturbed minds ...
Fiction is probably way more fun than their shitty lives

Kano ...SUCK IT !!

Why would i want to read your blog..u friken narassitic wanker!!

[YipYip]

Met these people in my life many times and like Josh I am sure late at night when he is alone (I am sure he is alone a lot ) ... he is Sooooooooooooooooooo happy...lol

And yet ... I can certainly say in this case you are wrong ... don't you hate it when you assume something based on nothing at all and it's bullshit

 Might you have some ... how do I put this delicately ... intimate knowledge in these matters ?

 Oh wait. That's common now...

I went to BFL in February - as I wrote a blog about ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid would already know.
Oddly enough I met everyone that was there at BFL that week and in Josh's case I even had lunch/dinner with him with his wife, twice ... as I said in my short blog.

But anyway, I'd not expect those who enjoy making up crap to bother to correlate reality with the fiction that floats around in their disturbed minds ...
Fiction is probably way more fun than their shitty lives

I have sort of let your post fly through to the keeper but really ....I think u & Josh should get married

It would be the wedding of the century where 2 of the most over bloated arrogant ego's join forces & unite in holy wankerdom

So u wrote a bit of code with the help of another ..big friggen woop ... i write code every day hoopsnake and is currerntly part of the banking system that operates in oz ...u dont see me lording around the forums like gods gift to mankind

Oh and btw "I prefer waffles over wafers"  ...gotta stay on topic ...lol

[Bicknellski]

It is waffles and chicken vs. poutine vs. dimsum actually.

If one were to simply look at the facts as a disinterested observer it would certainly be clear that BFL has dropped many a ball and that anyone in their right mind would see that there are plenty of people who troll and pretty much deflect the blame away from the facts.

What do we know about the wafers?

Evidence?

Hmmmm...

Shipping dates missed?

Shipping changes?

Specifications missed?

Specifications changed?

Evidence?

Hmmmm...


At some point the buyer must wonder what BFL is doing and why they are scrambling to deliver something that in their own minds was a slam dunk many months ago. Anyone defending BFL at this point doesn't have any credibility full stop.

Anyone trolling BFL at this point can smell the blood in the water and won't be letting up and will continue pecking away at what credibility if any is left.

When you see the personal attacks back and forth you can completely ignore those what you can't ignore is the taint of failure and the smell of desperation coming off what is becoming a rapidly decaying situation for BFL. One really wonders how anyone could possibly defend their actions business wise at this point. Simply posting ad hominem attacks doesn't make what BFL is doing any less transparent. They are tanking badly for the whole world to see.

Here is the real kicker. If some people in this very forum can get an open source avalon asic designed pcb and marry the chips to hash before the majority of these BFL orders are shipped that pretty much sums up the level of failure. I hope for the customer that isn't the outcome, but to be honest with all the vitriol caused by BFL's own hand the company doesn't deserve any sympathy and that is why I think many even some of their own customers are secretly wishing it implodes and the company fails to deliver simply because of the lies that have been told and muck that was raked and puffery that is still being put out by BFL even when we all know what is really behind the curtain. Few people will want to side with a company that acts like they have market cornered only to flounder and fail to deliver. They have made this bed and they will lie in it and hopefully the whole bitcoin community learns the lesson and remembers never to order from these pricks again.

[smoothie]

The funny thing Kano does not realize is that just because you have dinner with someone and they show you around and make you feel homey and comfy but dont actually open "THE BOOKS" that back BFL then you really do not know the state of BFL's financial status.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that BFL blew a ton of customer pre order money on R&D and Google Ads and other ads all over the fucking internet like desperate coke addicts that need more money to keep the HIGH going.

If BFL was legit they would have secured VC funding privately...shut the fucked up...produced products, then announced it WITH ACCURATE POWER/SPEED/COST estimates.

But we all know that isn't the case.

The writing is on the wall. BFL has IMHO 4-6 months (give or take a few months) in a best case scenario before they implode.

This is if they can't find more suckers to buy into their PONZI that takes new customer preorder money to manufacture devices for existing 10 month wait customers while the new customers wait for many months.

LOL  I have large stockpile of popcorn ready when BFL blows up.

[rograz]

If BFL was legit they would have secured VC funding privately...shut the fucked up...produced products, then announced it WITH ACCURATE POWER/SPEED/COST estimates.

They were simply trying to kill competition before it even got off the ground, announce your product with best case specs/delivery scenario, if it doesn't quite work out, well your competition gave up before they even got started anyway. The only dark horse is someone like the Avalon guys who launched their project more for ideological reasons than profit. A bit dirty but effective and quite common business practice.

People need to stop judging BFL from a "good guy/bro" starting point. They are a business and their main goal is to make money. If you had that mindset from the start you would have gotten a lot less surprised/upset with their delays and unfolding of their whole project.

I pre-ordered with BFL fully understanding the risks that if the first run of chips being non functional, that could have been the end of the BFL asics story. I also expected there to be huge delays, their estimates for the FPGAs weren't exactly spot on were they and I suspected the asics would be even worse unless they pulled some kind of miracle.

The only real mistake BFL has done was communicating at all with the community. They should just have said "not yet, when it's done it's done" and stuck to that until they had something to show. People these days seems to take anything you say in public as a promise, and go on a fucking crusade when you don't stick to whatever you previously said exactly. Newsflash, during product development shit changes all the damn time, sometimes stuff you spent weeks on is scrapped and plans changed. It's just generally better to say fuck all and let people speculate else they start whining and bitching.

Saying that though my personal estimates were a bit off, I though worst case scenario would be 6 months from initial shipping date. Still I'm not that surprised and neither do I feel the need to fill the forums with pointless rants repeating the same thing over and over like some here do, pretending they are some holy e-crusaders out to right all the wrongs and vanquish evil.

[k9quaint]

The only real mistake BFL has done was communicating at all with the community. They should just have said "not yet, when it's done it's done" and stuck to that until they had something to show. People these days seems to take anything you say in public as a promise, and go on a fucking crusade when you don't stick to whatever you previously said exactly. Newsflash, during product development shit changes all the damn time, sometimes stuff you spent weeks on is scrapped and plans changed. It's just generally better to say fuck all and let people speculate else they start whining and bitching.

Unfortunately, they funded their development with pre-orders. They also left in place the ability to get a refund for a pre-order. If they let rumors run wild, everyone could ask for a refund and derail the whole development train. So they have to continue to market their product, if only to reassure their investors.
BFL going quiet was never really an option.

[Xian01]

I went to BFL (on BFL's dime) in February - as I wrote a blog about (after I was pumped full of enough Koolaid to make a horse talk) ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid (or aren't so blatantly paid-off) would already know.
Oddly enough I met everyone that was there at BFL that week and in Josh's case I even had lunch/dinner with him with his wife, twice (you all must bow down to me that I was sycophantically granted an audience with Herr Zerlan, twice !)... as I said in my short blog.

But anyway, I'd not expect those who enjoy making up crap to bother to correlate reality with the fiction that floats around in their disturbed minds ...
Fiction is probably way more fun than their shitty lives

 The reality that BFL has not paid off their 1000 BTC wager for not meeting their power consumption goals, and Josh rage-silencing me on the BFL shout-box for pointing that out ("we're too fucking busy to pay off a 1000 BTC wager") ? The reality that they shipped on April 1st ? The reality that they had working prototypes set for FCC approval back in October / November ?

 Sorry, which reality are you referring to ? The one inside your and Josh's deluded brains, or the one that the rest of us live in daily ?

[rograz]

Unfortunately, they funded their development with pre-orders.

This is your assumption, show me proof. This is where you are all going wrong, if you want to miss credit someone you need actual proof. Every time you present your theories as facts without proof you erode the ground you stand on.

If you however said "I think they funded development with pre-order money" I would fully respect that. That's the difference between a unsubstantiated accusations and an opinion.

And before you say "BFL has not proved they didn't", it is generally up to the accuser to bring the evidence of their claims (unless you are a government ;/)

Until you and others start to either present facts with your accusations or change tone to simply having opinions/speculating you are nothing else than trolls/fud spreaders.

[PuertoLibre]

I went to BFL (on BFL's dime) in February - as I wrote a blog about (after I was pumped full of enough Koolaid to make a horse talk) ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid (or aren't so blatantly paid-off) would already know.
Oddly enough I met everyone that was there at BFL that week and in Josh's case I even had lunch/dinner with him with his wife, twice (you all must bow down to me that I was sycophantically granted an audience with Herr Zerlan, twice !)... as I said in my short blog.

But anyway, I'd not expect those who enjoy making up crap to bother to correlate reality with the fiction that floats around in their disturbed minds ...
Fiction is probably way more fun than their shitty lives

 The reality that BFL has not paid off their 1000 BTC wager for not meeting their power consumption goals, and Josh rage-silencing me on the BFL shout-box for pointing that out ("we're too fucking busy to pay off a 1000 BTC wager") ? The reality that they shipped on April 1st ? The reality that they had working prototypes set for FCC approval back in October / November ?

 Sorry, which reality are you referring to ? The one inside your and Josh's deluded brains, or the one that the rest of us live in daily ?

You noobs!

Don't worry. I am going to share my super secret with BFL to keeping a company afloat "during hard times". We at ADL have accomplished 1 to 2 years non-delivery simply by using it. We can refund old "impatient" customers simply by "funding their refunds" from that of new customers money. If need be, we will even raise our prices to double that of our original products. Therefore we offset any refunds and still have strong earnings.

[Xian01]

I'll just leave this here...

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 Xian (Edit · Delete) 05-01-2013 03:56 PM
So Josh, when are you going to pay the 1000 BTC bet for not meeting 1W/Ghash ? Or are you waiting until you guys get down to 1W/Ghash until you tell everyone to go fuck themselves and say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" ?

 BFL_Josh - 05-01-2013 03:58 PM
Xian: Your trolling pisses me off, but to answer your question, as soon as we get time to take care of it, we will. It's not like we aren't already overworked and it's not exactly a high priority at the moment... however, if you have an order, let me know what it is and I will be sure to put yours on hold when we get to it and work dilligently on the donation thing before we get back to yours.

 Xian (Edit · Delete) 05-01-2013 03:58 PM
BFL_Josh: Hey, thanks for threatening your customers ! I appreciate it !

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 BFL_Josh - 05-01-2013 03:59 PM
No problem, thanks for being an annoying troll.

 BFL_Josh - Shout 05-01-2013 03:59 PM
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[jordaninthesky]

I'll just leave this here...

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 Xian (Edit · Delete) 05-01-2013 03:56 PM
So Josh, when are you going to pay the 1000 BTC bet for not meeting 1W/Ghash ? Or are you waiting until you guys get down to 1W/Ghash until you tell everyone to go fuck themselves and say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" ?

 BFL_Josh - 05-01-2013 03:58 PM
Xian: Your trolling pisses me off, but to answer your question, as soon as we get time to take care of it, we will. It's not like we aren't already overworked and it's not exactly a high priority at the moment... however, if you have an order, let me know what it is and I will be sure to put yours on hold when we get to it and work dilligently on the donation thing before we get back to yours.

 Xian (Edit · Delete) 05-01-2013 03:58 PM
BFL_Josh: Hey, thanks for threatening your customers ! I appreciate it !

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 BFL_Josh - 05-01-2013 03:59 PM
No problem, thanks for being an annoying troll.

 BFL_Josh - Shout 05-01-2013 03:59 PM
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Lol, while I totally relate to Xian's position, and I generally get the vibe that Josh is a total scam artist; I did like him in this parlay.

[computerparts]

I'll just leave this here...

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 Xian (Edit · Delete) 05-01-2013 03:56 PM
So Josh, when are you going to pay the 1000 BTC bet for not meeting 1W/Ghash ? Or are you waiting until you guys get down to 1W/Ghash until you tell everyone to go fuck themselves and say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" ?

 BFL_Josh - 05-01-2013 03:58 PM
Xian: Your trolling pisses me off, but to answer your question, as soon as we get time to take care of it, we will. It's not like we aren't already overworked and it's not exactly a high priority at the moment... however, if you have an order, let me know what it is and I will be sure to put yours on hold when we get to it and work dilligently on the donation thing before we get back to yours.

 Xian (Edit · Delete) 05-01-2013 03:58 PM
BFL_Josh: Hey, thanks for threatening your customers ! I appreciate it !

Xian silenced successfully.
 BFL_Josh - 05-01-2013 03:59 PM
No problem, thanks for being an annoying troll.

 BFL_Josh - Shout 05-01-2013 03:59 PM
Xian silenced successfully.

Since when did customers care more about a donation than getting their order out the door? I don't get it. I'm not defending the guy or BFL but what's the point about it? Are you saying you'd rather have the donation fulfilled before any orders ship out?

[PuertoLibre]

Does one necessarily exclude the other?

Inaba has time, he simply does not use it effectively.

In the time it takes him to type up "cocksucker" he can pull up google. In the time it takes to call someone an asshole (such as above) in a shoutbox, he can google a charity. In the time it takes for him to login to BitCoinTalk, he can certainly donate 1000BTC to a charity. (Plus that other 1000BTC he lost in a bet....or that other bet he made against somoene...who was it? Micon was almost pulled in for a 240BTC bet wasn't it? What about the time he almost got someone to agree to a 500BTC bet? I forget the name.... Anyway, you get the pattern)

[Xian01]

Are you saying you'd rather have the donation fulfilled before any orders ship out?

 I'd rather he stop making excuses, show some humility, and stop taunting us with such pompous braggadocio whilst having thousands of our dollars in his coffers worth of preorders.

[jordaninthesky]

Are you saying you'd rather have the donation fulfilled before any orders ship out?

 I'd rather he stop making excuses, show some humility, and stop taunting us with such pompous braggadocio whilst having thousands of our dollars in his coffers worth of preorders.

He is an arrogant asshole.  A bit of a scammer.  Stupid is the word he uses the most.  Don't know how anything can be called "stupid" and left at that.  Nothing is without reason, so maybe he is struggling with his own sense of stupidity, while trying to save his position/company?

[kano]

...
Kano ...SUCK IT !!

Why would i want to read your blog..u friken narassitic wanker!!

Wooo - someone's upset that they are wrong

[WildFire.ca]

I am from TNPCC The National Poutine Council of Canada. We at the Council do not appreciate you people making references to Poutine,, (Canada's National food) and this BFL company. We do not know who they are but we are sure that they do not have the moral fiber that is required to be put in too the same thread as the worlds best food for putting the winter fat on that all Canadians need to survive the winter in there Igloos. We demand this thread be rewritten or deleted from the history books entirely so we can all forget this travesty.

The TNPCC

[kano]

...

So u wrote a bit of code with the help of another ..big friggen woop ... i write code every day hoopsnake and is currerntly part of the banking system that operates in oz ...u dont see me lording around the forums like gods gift to mankind

Oh and btw "I prefer waffles over wafers"  ...gotta stay on topic ...lol

Sigh, which bank? So I can stay away from that one. Most banking systems are crap. I'm not sure why you'd vaguely associate yourself with code used at a bank, that's like admitting defeat already.

Hmm what's the biggest project I've written?
I myself redesigned and wrote most of the whole system Optus used to store and lookup their bills in the 90's
10 second response time for 7 years worth of history - they were quite happy about that back then since it was beyond anything anyone else at any other telecom/bank had.
Their CSR's were also very happy with it - the end users.

However, that, of course, has no effect on what I do now. Different systems. Though, something I did learn back then (as the Project Leader ... and on most parts of it, the whole project team) was that the world is full of people who think they can program, who can even produce code. But hell, many of them are useless.

[PuertoLibre]

However, that, of course, has no effect on what I do now. Different systems. Though, something I did learn back then (as the Project Leader ... and on most parts of it, the whole project team) was that the world is full of people who think they can program, who can even produce code. But hell, many of them are useless.

That is why every genius programer has a bugtracker. Because they were too lazy to write it correctly the first time.

Oh, wait, that would be a prodigy....

[centove]

However, that, of course, has no effect on what I do now. Different systems. Though, something I did learn back then (as the Project Leader ... and on most parts of it, the whole project team) was that the world is full of people who think they can program, who can even produce code. But hell, many of them are useless.

HERE HERE!

[jordaninthesky]

Wouldn't it be interesting if Kano and Josh came up with a secret plan to infiltrate computers and get wallet data?

I could totally see that happening.

=P

[Xian01]

Can we please get back on topic and get this debate resolved once and for all, and really discuss the important things ? My vote is cast firmly for poutine.

[kano]

Wouldn't it be interesting if Kano and Josh came up with a secret plan to infiltrate computers and get wallet data?

I could totally see that happening.

=P

Well ... I am the 2nd developer of cgminer ...

[Bicknellski]

Seriously though BFL is certainly playing fast and loose with the truth YET AGAIN. Someone should call 60 Minutes and let them do an expose or the local news to have someone bust these guys. They need to be shamed into doing the right thing for their customers it is obvious they do not care and will take every advantage to screw over their customers. Better Business Bureau anyone?

https://www.bbb.org/file-a-complaint/


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[kano]

Seriously though BFL is certainly playing fast and loose with the truth YET AGAIN. Someone should call 60 Minutes and let them do an expose or the local news to have someone bust these guys. They need to be shamed into doing the right thing for their customers it is obvious they do not care and will take every advantage to screw over their customers. Better Business Bureau anyone?
...

"doing the right thing for their customers"

Well, considering the only thing that most people will be happy with is them delivering their SC line of products, I (yet again) don't understand the given line of thinking.

Clearly sending 60 minutes (though I highly doubt 60 minutes would give a damn) will certainly not speed up that process in any way.

... and again ... anyone who had an order with them had the direct option to cancel it the other day on their account.

[rograz]

... and again ... anyone who had an order with them had the direct option to cancel it the other day on their account.

But what would they bitch about if they had.

Once BFL starts getting up to speed on shipping I fully expect to see a "BFL SCAMMED ME INTO CANCELLING MY ORDER" thread.

[smoothie]

Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

[jordaninthesky]

Wouldn't it be interesting if Kano and Josh came up with a secret plan to infiltrate computers and get wallet data?

I could totally see that happening.

=P

Well ... I am the 2nd developer of cgminer ...

Sorry Kano, I don't actually think you are as evil as Josh.  I see that you are excited.

[pheaonix]

Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

some good old muckraking article that would be.

my panties are getting moist at the thought.

[meowmeowbrowncow]

Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

Have to agree.  BFL should be accountable for both words and actions.  If the actions (building a 65nm Bitcoin hashing device) are hard - that's one thing.


Words.  Lies.  Willful misrepresentation?  That's another.

[Bicknellski]

Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

Have to agree.  BFL should be accountable for both words and actions.  If the actions (building a 65nm Bitcoin hashing device) are hard - that's one thing.


Words.  Lies.  Willful misrepresentation?  That's another.

+1   Lies and willful misrepresentation has been shown by BFL and again anyone that continues to defend this outfit pretty much has no integrity.

[Xian01]

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.
Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

 Whatever you do, DO NOT chant the name "Adrian Chen" three times in a row.

[kano]

Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

Have to agree.  BFL should be accountable for both words and actions.  If the actions (building a 65nm Bitcoin hashing device) are hard - that's one thing.


Words.  Lies.  Willful misrepresentation?  That's another.

Well I suspect the answer to any such investigation would simply be what I posted back in February in "My Opinion"

If the point of such is to make them deliver faster, it will of course not work.

If instead there is some other agenda, well yes you might succeed in slowing things down.

[smoothie]

Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

Have to agree.  BFL should be accountable for both words and actions.  If the actions (building a 65nm Bitcoin hashing device) are hard - that's one thing.


Words.  Lies.  Willful misrepresentation?  That's another.

Well I suspect the answer to any such investigation would simply be what I posted back in February in "My Opinion"

If the point of such is to make them deliver faster, it will of course not work.

If instead there is some other agenda, well yes you might succeed in slowing things down.

Kano,

The agenda would be to get the facts/truth of why the delays.

As all preorder customers waiting months and months, they are by definition INVESTORS given BFL did not have a working product at the time. So their monies likely went into the R&D of BFL ASICs.

As investors they have a stake in the company's success (implicitly) and deserve to see the accounting behind BFL.

I suspect if such an investigation did start...we would find that BFL was in fact running a ponzi. (getting new customer monies to help finish producing said devices for initial investors)....and cycle through that a few times.

Hard to deny that simple fact there given BFL keeps saying they will need several months (likely a year IMHO) to get through all the preorders.

[sensei]

I went to BFL in February - as I wrote a blog about ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid would already know.

Wow, the arrogance is incredible.

Rate yourself much?

Who are you?

I appreciate you're a developer for one of the two main mining softwares. But for all intense and purposes you're an unknown hiding behind a pseudonym on an Internet forum, what on earth propels you to the upper echelons of assumption to believe that everyone but n00bs or the stupid would choose to willingly spend their free time following you?

Get a grip man! Some people do things outside and away from computers.

Should someone wish to follow you, you don't even help your cause by supplying a link in your signature.

I don't see why you make such a fuss of it. He is simply right, you must be stupid or a newcomer to not know about that visit...or Luke´s visit.

I'm neither and I didn't know. Maybe I just don't care.

[philips]

Not a newcomer?

[kano]

...
Well I suspect the answer to any such investigation would simply be what I posted back in February in "My Opinion"

If the point of such is to make them deliver faster, it will of course not work.

If instead there is some other agenda, well yes you might succeed in slowing things down.

Kano,

The agenda would be to get the facts/truth of why the delays.

As all preorder customers waiting months and months, they are by definition INVESTORS given BFL did not have a working product at the time. So their monies likely went into the R&D of BFL ASICs.

As investors they have a stake in the company's success (implicitly) and deserve to see the accounting behind BFL.

I suspect if such an investigation did start...we would find that BFL was in fact running a ponzi. (getting new customer monies to help finish producing said devices for initial investors)....and cycle through that a few times.

Hard to deny that simple fact there given BFL keeps saying they will need several months (likely a year IMHO) to get through all the preorders.

Well I'm simply pointing out that although there may be nefarious reasons (but I don't think there are) that at this point in time, going after BFL will not expedite anyone's orders.

As I said in the blog, there are certainly a number of understandable reasons for it.
I also did quite clearly say that, and why, BFL is to blame, not someone else.

They have, however, made head roads into that finally and even delivered a small number of Jalapenos.
I guess if they don't start delivering much soon, then we'll be almost back into where we were before the Jalapenos were delivered.
Though I would be surprised if it happened, or if they didn't give a reason if it did.

I guess the other point to mention (about me) is that it is quite obvious to see when I've made comments that have made me a target.
Once I actually had the Jalapeno, yes indeed I have been more vocal of BFL.
I think it's quite obvious why: they have delivered to me hardware that works.
How can I not consider that meaning they can certainly, 100%, produce this hardware?

Oddly people seem to think this is some sort of "pay off" though I've even made it quite clear that I don't consider being given hardware as "free" coz of the effort I end up spending on it (and an aside I spent hours last night and yesterday fscking with Avalon code with ckolivas sorting out direct USB ... and we still don't have it completely sorted yet ... wtf am I doing that? I don't actually know myself I certainly don't want an Avalon and have turned down offers ...)

People have been saying, for the long time of the delay to delivery, that BFL is a scam or a ponzi.
Now they have delivered hardware, it's now ... "they're late and there are nefarious reasons why"
Well, we all know they are late, and trying to slow them down could ... make them even later
... which is the point of my last posts.

... and reread what you wrote, you are suggesting reasons, and then using those suggested reasons as truths in the same post.

The biggest point I can make, however, is that BFL clearly made money delivering BFL FPGAs (late) and have then gone and created BFL ASICs (late) that work.
From the point of anyone who understands the process of producing these devices, it makes no sense at all to even call it a ponzi once they have delivered even a few devices.
Nothing like this already exists anywhere else.
Avalon chips are slower than the FPGA's in a BFL FPGA single - they just use a lot less power than the FPGA so when you add 240 of them together you get ... ~67GH/s
ASICMINER chips are the same.
No one else has produced a dedicated ASIC chip that can pump out >2.5GH/s ... anywhere.

[smoothie]

...
Well I suspect the answer to any such investigation would simply be what I posted back in February in "My Opinion"

If the point of such is to make them deliver faster, it will of course not work.

If instead there is some other agenda, well yes you might succeed in slowing things down.

Kano,

The agenda would be to get the facts/truth of why the delays.

As all preorder customers waiting months and months, they are by definition INVESTORS given BFL did not have a working product at the time. So their monies likely went into the R&D of BFL ASICs.

As investors they have a stake in the company's success (implicitly) and deserve to see the accounting behind BFL.

I suspect if such an investigation did start...we would find that BFL was in fact running a ponzi. (getting new customer monies to help finish producing said devices for initial investors)....and cycle through that a few times.

Hard to deny that simple fact there given BFL keeps saying they will need several months (likely a year IMHO) to get through all the preorders.

Well I'm simply pointing out that although there may be nefarious reasons (but I don't think there are) that at this point in time, going after BFL will not expedite anyone's orders.

As I said in the blog, there are certainly a number of understandable reasons for it.
I also did quite clearly say that, and why, BFL is to blame, not someone else.

They have, however, made head roads into that finally and even delivered a small number of Jalapenos.
I guess if they don't start delivering much soon, then we'll be almost back into where we were before the Jalapenos were delivered.
Though I would be surprised if it happened, or if they didn't give a reason if it did.

I guess the other point to mention (about me) is that it is quite obvious to see when I've made comments that have made me a target.
Once I actually had the Jalapeno, yes indeed I have been more vocal of BFL.
I think it's quite obvious why: they have delivered to me hardware that works.
How can I not consider that meaning they can certainly, 100%, produce this hardware?

Oddly people seem to think this is some sort of "pay off" though I've even made it quite clear that I don't consider being given hardware as "free" coz of the effort I end up spending on it (and an aside I spent hours last night and yesterday fscking with Avalon code with ckolivas sorting out direct USB ... and we still don't have it completely sorted yet ... wtf am I doing that? I don't actually know myself I certainly don't want an Avalon and have turned down offers ...)

People have been saying, for the long time of the delay to delivery, that BFL is a scam or a ponzi.
Now they have delivered hardware, it's now ... "they're late and there are nefarious reasons why"
Well, we all know they are late, and trying to slow them down could ... make them even later
... which is the point of my last posts.

... and reread what you wrote, you are suggesting reasons, and then using those suggested reasons as truths in the same post.

The biggest point I can make, however, is that BFL clearly made money delivering BFL FPGAs (late) and have then gone and created BFL ASICs (late) that work.
From the point of anyone who understands the process of producing these devices, it makes no sense at all to even call it a ponzi once they have delivered even a few devices.
Nothing like this already exists anywhere else.
Avalon chips are slower than the FPGA's in a BFL FPGA single - they just use a lot less power than the FPGA so when you add 240 of them together you get ... ~67GH/s
ASICMINER chips are the same.
No one else has produced a dedicated ASIC chip that can pump out >2.5GH/s ... anywhere.

Millions of $'s later only a few Jaly's are working....hardly an accomplishment when we clearly have Avalon and ASIC miner producing devices faster than bfl.

Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

[kano]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

[smoothie]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

LOL how much time did it take you to write that? 10 months? + millions of $?

lol hardly a comparison Kano.

But nice try to down play and NOT answer my serious question I posed to you.

[kano]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

LOL how much time did it take you to write that? 10 months? + millions of $?

lol hardly a comparison Kano.

But nice try to down play and NOT answer my serious question I posed to you.

You? Serious? Yeah right. That doesn't even make sense what you just typed.

I wonder who am I supposed to be thanking when a Block Erupter USB turns up in my post shortly?

[smoothie]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

LOL how much time did it take you to write that? 10 months? + millions of $?

lol hardly a comparison Kano.

But nice try to down play and NOT answer my serious question I posed to you.

You? Serious? Yeah right. That doesn't even make sense what you just typed.

I wonder who am I supposed to be thanking when a Block Erupter USB turns up in my post shortly?

So why wont you answer my questions?

1. it doesnt take millions of $ to write driver software for 1 device nor does it take 10 months.

2. Did you accidentally turn on your BFL troll switch? 

[kano]

So why wont you answer my questions?

1. it doesnt take millions of $ to write driver software for 1 device nor does it take 10 months.

2. Did you accidentally turn on your BFL troll switch? 

1. No question mark, but also nonsensical.

2. Click?

[Crypt_Current]

I'm seriously thinking about suing Smoothie re:  wasting my time 

Goddammit, Kano's posts are rock-solid.  Dumb, dumb, trolls...  I have a lot of time to waste, but I don't imagine some of these trolls even sleep...

[Minor Miner]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free
Yeah we can both word it however we like.

This question is just from my curiosity.   Why do you write all these software optimization programs for free?

[smoothie]

So why wont you answer my questions?

1. it doesnt take millions of $ to write driver software for 1 device nor does it take 10 months.

2. Did you accidentally turn on your BFL troll switch?  

1. No question mark, but also nonsensical.

2. Click?

Read above posts ^ Genius. 1 and 2 were things I wanted to make sure I was clear about. Another set of topics you failed to address on how comparing your "free development" is even on the same playing field as taking millions of $ and taking 10+ months of time as BFL has.

But keep on keeping on Kano. The more diverting you are in your responses the more I tend to believe that you are indeed a paid BFL shill. Whether it is true or not does not matter, you operate as if you are one.

At least puerto was somewhat funny lol. You are just plain lame.

Good luck backing BFL because when they implode you will get a ton of flack for supporting them.

 

[sunblaster]

[PuertoLibre]

But keep on keeping on Kano. The more diverting you are in your responses the more I tend to believe that you are indeed a paid BFL shill. Whether it is true or not does not matter, you operate as if you are one.

At least puerto was somewhat funny lol. You are just plain lame.

Good luck backing BFL because when they implode you will get a ton of flack for supporting them.

 

I could be funnier, but I am worried of being charged with humorcide.

[sensei]

No one else has produced a dedicated ASIC chip that can pump out >2.5GH/s ... anywhere.

You could say that essentially that no still has not. A few prototype test units have been shipped out. Those that ordered are still waiting.

When they start shipping out en mass, your statement would be correct.

[sensei]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

I thank you very much for the software, but it doesn't do any of us any good without anything to run it on.

[Bicknellski]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

I thank you very much for the software, but it doesn't do any of us any good without anything to run it on.

Checkmate!

[jordaninthesky]

Josh paid Kano to do it, and now all the anger is targeted at Kano and Josh is not around because he might actually be doing his job.  BFL needs official representation and to keep the customer out of the R&D process that legally shouldn't exist.  They are fucking up big time, but Kano is pretty spot on as far as development goes.  I'd prefer if Kano was working at their facility though and prototypes were kept in house, but that's another point.

[kano]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

I thank you very much for the software, but it doesn't do any of us any good without anything to run it on.

Correct.
However, it also doesn't do any good releasing hardware that doesn't have software to run on it.
The rather obvious reason why developers got Jalapenos first.
Though I don't know what playing chess has to do with bitcoin mining, maybe someone else couldn't work out which forum they were on.

[PuertoLibre]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

I thank you very much for the software, but it doesn't do any of us any good without anything to run it on.

Correct.
However, it also doesn't do any good releasing hardware that doesn't have software to run on it.
The rather obvious reason why developers got Jalapenos first.
Though I don't know what playing chess has to do with bitcoin mining, maybe someone else couldn't work out which forum they were on.

To those with a sense of the situation, it means that you should not gloat that you got free hardware. Nor defend a company (so readily) when their very customers have been largely disenfranchised for a lengthy period of time.

For example, try keeping it "low key".

[kano]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

I thank you very much for the software, but it doesn't do any of us any good without anything to run it on.

Correct.
However, it also doesn't do any good releasing hardware that doesn't have software to run on it.
The rather obvious reason why developers got Jalapenos first.
Though I don't know what playing chess has to do with bitcoin mining, maybe someone else couldn't work out which forum they were on.

To those with a sense of the situation, it means that you should not gloat that you got free hardware. Nor defend a company (so readily) when their very customers have been largely disenfranchised for a lengthy period of time.

For example, try keeping it "low key".

As usual PL you are a moron.

I am not gloating that I got free hardware. I got hardware that I had to spend a lot of time and effort on to write the software for it (over the last 5 months) that I am giving away for free to everyone else ... and as they get their devices, which is already happening, though not many yet, that software is ready.

It is high key!
I've spent a lot of effort on software for a device I've (not received for free) that everyone can have the best mining software for it for free as soon as they get their devices.

OK I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say something ...
Do you live in some 3rd world communist country where people get paid nothing for their efforts and thus you consider spending time and effort on something as shit and worth nothing thus the way you bandy about that word 'free' over and over again?
Don't bother answering, coz you have already answered the second half of it and I don't really care where you live.

[smoothie]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

I thank you very much for the software, but it doesn't do any of us any good without anything to run it on.

Correct.
However, it also doesn't do any good releasing hardware that doesn't have software to run on it.
The rather obvious reason why developers got Jalapenos first.
Though I don't know what playing chess has to do with bitcoin mining, maybe someone else couldn't work out which forum they were on.

To those with a sense of the situation, it means that you should not gloat that you got free hardware. Nor defend a company (so readily) when their very customers have been largely disenfranchised for a lengthy period of time.

For example, try keeping it "low key".

As usual PL you are a moron.

I am not gloating that I got free hardware. I got hardware that I had to spend a lot of time and effort on to write the software for it (over the last 5 months) that I am giving away for free to everyone else ... and as they get their devices, which is already happening, though not many yet, that software is ready.

It is high key!
I've spent a lot of effort on software for a device I've (not received for free) that everyone can have the best mining software for it for free as soon as they get their devices.

OK I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say something ...
Do you live in some 3rd world communist country where people get paid nothing for their efforts and thus you consider spending time and effort on something as shit and worth nothing thus the way you bandy about that word 'free' over and over again?
Don't bother answering, coz you have already answered the second half of it and I don't really care where you live.

I disagree. The mere fact that you choose to divert attention away from the fact that you are a BFL cheerleader and how you have still not thanked the many thousands of preorder customers for your free device says otherwise. Your retort (pretty lame) is that you are writing/written driver software etc.

You can't compare you writing driver software for 1 vendor's device(s) and the millions of $ and 10+ month wait time BFL has taken to produce asics with INVESTOR PREORDER MONIES.

QUESTION: Why don't you take your stuck up ass off of the forums from trolling and diverting attention and go work on more driver software?

 Instead of gloating that you are developing why not just do it and STFU. No one gives a shit what you are doing when you got a free ASIC device customers have been waiting 10+ months for and you get one before them and for free.

[YipYip]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

I thank you very much for the software, but it doesn't do any of us any good without anything to run it on.

Correct.
However, it also doesn't do any good releasing hardware that doesn't have software to run on it.
The rather obvious reason why developers got Jalapenos first.
Though I don't know what playing chess has to do with bitcoin mining, maybe someone else couldn't work out which forum they were on.

To those with a sense of the situation, it means that you should not gloat that you got free hardware. Nor defend a company (so readily) when their very customers have been largely disenfranchised for a lengthy period of time.

For example, try keeping it "low key".

As usual PL you are a moron.

I am not gloating that I got free hardware. I got hardware that I had to spend a lot of time and effort on to write the software for it (over the last 5 months) that I am giving away for free to everyone else ... and as they get their devices, which is already happening, though not many yet, that software is ready.

It is high key!
I've spent a lot of effort on software for a device I've (not received for free) that everyone can have the best mining software for it for free as soon as they get their devices.

OK I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say something ...
Do you live in some 3rd world communist country where people get paid nothing for their efforts and thus you consider spending time and effort on something as shit and worth nothing thus the way you bandy about that word 'free' over and over again?
Don't bother answering, coz you have already answered the second half of it and I don't really care where you live.

They should have your picture in a dictionary

Arrogance= Kano
Denial = Kano
Hubris = Kano

Good work mate....You have sooooo much love in  the community with the way you conduct yourself

[sunblaster]

it's broken so can't be possibly be delayed for any reason.

[tigerfree]

[YipYip]

You sir are a fraud !!!

Thats not a wafer or even waffles (Yummmm )

Its a broken CD-R .....your even so cheap to not use a DVD !!    

[sunblaster]

You sir are a fraud !!!

Thats not a wafer or even waffles (Yummmm )

Its a broken CD-R .....your even so cheap to not use a DVD !!    

Opps must be bumping facility issues, will post update in a week, should be ready then  

[kano]

...
QUESTION: Why don't you take your stuck up ass off of the forums from trolling and diverting attention and go work on more driver software?
...

Yeah I do work on cgminer most days
Programming and support.

[PuertoLibre]

...
Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  

Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

I thank you very much for the software, but it doesn't do any of us any good without anything to run it on.

Correct.
However, it also doesn't do any good releasing hardware that doesn't have software to run on it.
The rather obvious reason why developers got Jalapenos first.
Though I don't know what playing chess has to do with bitcoin mining, maybe someone else couldn't work out which forum they were on.

To those with a sense of the situation, it means that you should not gloat that you got free hardware. Nor defend a company (so readily) when their very customers have been largely disenfranchised for a lengthy period of time.

For example, try keeping it "low key".

As usual PL you are a moron.

I am not gloating that I got free hardware. I got hardware that I had to spend a lot of time and effort on to write the software for it (over the last 5 months) that I am giving away for free to everyone else ... and as they get their devices, which is already happening, though not many yet, that software is ready.

It is high key!
I've spent a lot of effort on software for a device I've (not received for free) that everyone can have the best mining software for it for free as soon as they get their devices.

OK I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say something ...
Do you live in some 3rd world communist country where people get paid nothing for their efforts and thus you consider spending time and effort on something as shit and worth nothing thus the way you bandy about that word 'free' over and over again?

Yes, it is called America.

Don't bother answering, coz you have already answered the second half of it and I don't really care where you live.

Consider that you keep defending the lateness of customers packages. Sorry, but you need to cut that shit out....

You are in a privileged position (and don't even have the heart of even a true GNU coder) so don't bemoan that you give away for free. As always you are a moron with entitlement issues.

[Crypt_Current]

As always you are a moron with entitlement issues.

Mirror, mirror...

Typical problem with most Americans who are not shit-poor... Those that ARE shit-poor... well, they seem to have entitlement issues as well, but at least they're (generally) too stupid to know how to navigate and utilize the Interwebs properly 

[PuertoLibre]

As always you are a moron with entitlement issues.

Mirror, mirror...

Typical problem with most Americans who are not shit-poor... Those that ARE shit-poor... well, they seem to have entitlement issues as well, but at least they're (generally) too stupid to know how to navigate and utilize the Interwebs properly 

Uh I wouldn't touch that subject in front of Kano. He is on some form of assistance. (As are apparently 47% of Americans)

I am definitely not one of them.

[YipYip]

You sir are a fraud !!!

Thats not a wafer or even waffles (Yummmm )

Its a broken CD-R .....your even so cheap to not use a DVD !!    

Opps must be bumping facility issues, will post update in a week, should be ready then  

++

[smoothie]

...
QUESTION: Why don't you take your stuck up ass off of the forums from trolling and diverting attention and go work on more driver software?
...

Yeah I do work on cgminer most days
Programming and support.

Obviously it doesnt take up enough of your time given all the bullshit you post on this forum.

[sunblaster]

this thread ran out of steam on page 1, now it's offically hi-jacked
I challenge next poster to post a meme 

[Crypt_Current]

[Red_Evil]

So I heard one of BFL's wafers were broken and they're waiting on another batch. If this is true, it will add to the delays.  Anyone know if this is true?

Yes, it's true. A sack of rice fell over in China and crushed the wafer.

Dadadumm ...

5 Wafers = ~ 30 Jalapenos 60 Chips ^^

[Bicknellski]

Where are my waffles?

[Cluster2k]

Where are my waffles?

[Xian01]

I'm sure these will arrive from the fab any day now...

[Bicknellski]

I see the box XIan... but where are the fans?

[Xian01]

I see the box XIan... but where are the fans?

BFL having a shortage of fans has never been a problem.

[kano]

Where are my waffles?

http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv209/rip_crazy/Waffo.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Little_Snow_Fairy_Sugar

[Cluster2k]

Where are my waffles?

http://i684.photobucket.com/albums/vv209/rip_crazy/Waffo.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Little_Snow_Fairy_Sugar

I've, err, seen the whole series.  Did I just admit that? 

[ecliptic]

Can anyone provide a citation or source for the speculation about BFL's wafer capacity, order schedule, etc?

[Bicknellski]

Can anyone provide a citation or source for the speculation about BFL's wafer capacity, order schedule, etc?

Check page 1...

Nope nothing. Inaba posted 2x in the first page and said nothing about the rumor. Can't infer anything in that because they always avoid answering direct questions that paint BFL in a negative light.... if they do please quote where they refute such a query on the forum with evidence instead of Ad hominem attacks on those asking or speculating about the nature of the question.

[computerparts]

I'm sure these will arrive from the fab any day now...

I was wondering when someone was gonna post those 

[Bicknellski]

Maybe the wafer has Krax?

[ecliptic]

Can anyone provide a citation or source for the speculation about BFL's wafer capacity, order schedule, etc?

Check page 1...

Nope nothing. Inaba posted 2x in the first page and said nothing about the rumor. Can't infer anything in that because they always avoid answering direct questions that paint BFL in a negative light.... if they do please quote where they refute such a query on the forum with evidence instead of Ad hominem attacks on those asking or speculating about the nature of the question.

TRUELY THE SAVIOR OF THE OPEN SOURCE MOVEMENT

ALL
HAIL
BFL