Fifth alt coin thread last four got too big.

[Marvell1]

Philip

Did the Bitttrex block BTC withdrawals ?

Nope I withdrew some btc today, thier not blocking anything right now , btc or bcc, but if you try and withdraw or deposit bcc it would take days.

I dont see how you can logically compare btc-e with bittrexx lol ? Btce e had a cofounder who was part of the team that hacked mtgox and stole 700k btc , basically billions then was able to launder it through cash via a btce directley into thier hotwallet which means the owners of Btce were basically his partners and thus complicit

also btce had no id verification or anything and was commonly used to luander btc from the silk road and dark net into roubles or usd.

I can list ten more actions they did that cuased then to be shit down , plus Its a russia vs usa thing going on as well so they were caught up in that as well.

what bittrexx did sucks but you never would have got your bcc there in time to take advantage of the pump in any case , that alone would probably exonerate them from any dumb lawsuit , plus they clearly states that they would credit and btc to bcc on 1 to 1 basis if you got your btc into thier exchange befor July 29

not sure what all the butthurt is about, win some you lose some in crypto, pply whining should have kept thier bcc on the exchange of they wanted to profit, but they chose safety of personal wallets to the exhange its a tradeoff you have to take.  If btc had had a bad fork or huge bugs messed up bittrexx back end etc and ppls btc got lost or stuck the shoe would been on the other foot smh

Hallo

I'm not sure if we were discussing BTC-E so I'm a bit lost with your reply.

Btw.
You have nothing in your hands against BTC-E or Vinik or what is guys name so I'm not sure what are you trying to say.

Believing USA and it's agencies ?
Are you having a laugh or are you considering me being retarded ?
lol.

Lol so youre trying to say he didnt do many of the things they said he did, Are you kidding me?
Independent investigators traced the btc he stole from mt gox directly into btce hotwallets? Ive see the blockchain transaction data myself Its public info , they didnt even try and mix it 😂😂

http://blog.wizsec.jp/2017/07/breaking-open-mtgox-1.html?m=1

there is no overarching conspiracy here bro, they laundered money for a hacker and got caught

[GabryRox]

I personally have a coinbase account with some BTC in it;  I will be monitoring the blockchain of BCC to see if my unique addresses from coinbase popup post-fork.... this will be a true sign if they are doing "dirty business".


I believe phil's comment above in bold is a very real possibility.


and for those who don't know;  BCC has a completely different difficulty retargeting scheme.  Much faster.  MEant to smooth over the transition in hashrates between BTC and BCC.

FYI:  This forum has it posted as BCH;  and yobit and other exchanges labeled it as BCC (which makes more sense to me given its name as BitCoinCash).  I will keep referring to it myself as BCC.

This instant creation of value is going to affect both prices of BTC and BCC in the end;  wherein the impact will be most felt in BTC as it is the higher valued coin.

I personally see BCC becoming "more rare" than BTC because of the fewer people actually splitting their coins, as well as the exchanges/wallets that do not offer the split option....  not to mention the huge premine of satoshi that has yet to be touched (and I doubt ever will be touched).  With how cautious satoshi was at the beginning, I think still to this day, he wouldn't want to chance it coming back to label him as who he is. (or her/she).

You're right in that BCC makes more sense.  However, the problem is that there is already another coin in existence with that acronym... BitConnect Coin.  The problem arises in that this is not yet a widely-listed coin, so the exchanges where it was not already listed have adopted that acronym for Bitcoin Cash.  This can only cause confusion and issues down the road... having 2 coins with the same BCC designation.  Seems like there should be some kind of central registry to avoid this but apparently there is not... at least not yet.  Anyway, that's why I call it BCH fwiw.

[Storx]

Honestly, i see why so many are mad at coinbase, but it was published like a week out that they were not supporting the bitcoin cash, so the people who didnt move their btc out to get the bch falls on the people.
~From Steemit
If you read the warning, it is stated that your account's btc amount is a representation of value stored within the companies main wallets. Basically in long words it sounds like they claim as the owners of all btc in all accounts and you just own a value worth at a 1:1 ratio on their wallet. So you technically with all the wording they are in the clear on what they did

I honestly dont trust coinbase anymore and only keep $100 on their to use my shiftcard tell i find a better option to spend btc

The reason why so many places use BCH and others use BCC for bitcoincash, from my readings bitconnect coin has been using the bcc for over a year, so technically it owns the right of using bcc more than bitcoin cash, but the few places using bcc as the trading short name, are places bitconnect coin is not currently setup

[GabryRox]

I have just opened an account with www.cryptopia.co.nz, a cryto-currency exchange based in New Zealand.

I have emptied my Coinbase and Poloniex accounts (bye-bye), and moved them to this non-US crypto-exchange.

I however still need the Bitrex account which for limited use.

This is not an endorsement of Cryptopia but its one of the ones I like most after an extensive research of an alternative crypto exchange far far away from hairy arms of you know who... 

Based on your post, I just checked out Cryptopia and at first glance, I really like it.  I too have essentially emptied out my Coinbase accounts... just a few ETH left there now but will likely move that off shortly as well.  I have most of my small alts on Bittrex and have had no issues with them at all.  Still, I have been considering moving ~50% of them to another exchange (as a hedge/protection) and Cryptopia indeed looks like a good option for that. I also have a few oddball coins on Poloniex still but given all the issues they've had, I want nothing more to do with them either.

The one problem that still exists is though is the isn't Coinbase still the only viable option for cashout via USD?  Now that I will not hold any balances on Coinbase, it's going to be a pain to have to transfer BTC or ETH there every time i want to do a cashout.

[GabryRox]

Honestly, i see why so many are mad at coinbase, but it was published like a week out that they were not supporting the bitcoin cash, so the people who didnt move their btc out to get the bch falls on the people.
~From Steemit
If you read the warning, it is stated that your account's btc amount is a representation of value stored within the companies main wallets. Basically in long words it sounds like they claim as the owners of all btc in all accounts and you just own a value worth at a 1:1 ratio on their wallet. So you technically with all the wording they are in the clear on what they did

I honestly dont trust coinbase anymore and only keep $100 on their to use my shiftcard tell i find a better option to spend btc

The reason why so many places use BCH and others use BCC for bitcoincash, from my readings bitconnect coin has been using the bcc for over a year, so technically it owns the right of using bcc more than bitcoin cash, but the few places using bcc as the trading short name, are places bitconnect coin is not currently setup

Yes, in fairness to Coinbase, they did gave ample warning... but it's still fishy IMO.  Luckily, I was able to move all of my BTC off CB in time, but others either didn't see the notice or ran into withdrawing issues and are rightfully pissed off.  Bottom line though is that as long as CB has a virtual monopoly on USD cashouts, they will stay afloat from transaction fees alone... regardless of whether or not people pull all of their BTC/ETH/LTC of their CB wallets.

[citronick]

@citronick

What's your opinion on P106-100 cards? I can finally get them, would love to hear your opinion. It's the Gigabyte version of the card.

edit - this one https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-NP106D5-6G-rev-11#kf

I got 18 of them Zotac P106-100 mini single fan currently on 3 x Win10 rigs 6xGPUs (23-24MHs per card or 20-21MHs on smOS Linux), they are mining ETH together with the Zotac Minis 1070s (32Mhs on smOS).

IMHO, the NVIDIAs are very stable, cool and easy to OC, I am very happy with them and spend less time baby sitting them compared to AMD RX480s and RX470s which I had to do custom rom mods and tweak them to kingdom come. The RX farms are stable now, a dozen of them upgraded to 12/13 slotters and I am not going to be disturbing them anytime soon.

I am spending most of the time now on the 1080tis and experimenting on ccminer algos.

Safe to say, that my future investments will be on NVIDIA cards and less on VEGAs....  

[SVK]

Philip

Did the Bitttrex block BTC withdrawals ?

Nope I withdrew some btc today, thier not blocking anything right now , btc or bcc, but if you try and withdraw or deposit bcc it would take days.

I dont see how you can logically compare btc-e with bittrexx lol ? Btce e had a cofounder who was part of the team that hacked mtgox and stole 700k btc , basically billions then was able to launder it through cash via a btce directley into thier hotwallet which means the owners of Btce were basically his partners and thus complicit

also btce had no id verification or anything and was commonly used to luander btc from the silk road and dark net into roubles or usd.

I can list ten more actions they did that cuased then to be shit down , plus Its a russia vs usa thing going on as well so they were caught up in that as well.

what bittrexx did sucks but you never would have got your bcc there in time to take advantage of the pump in any case , that alone would probably exonerate them from any dumb lawsuit , plus they clearly states that they would credit and btc to bcc on 1 to 1 basis if you got your btc into thier exchange befor July 29

not sure what all the butthurt is about, win some you lose some in crypto, pply whining should have kept thier bcc on the exchange of they wanted to profit, but they chose safety of personal wallets to the exhange its a tradeoff you have to take.  If btc had had a bad fork or huge bugs messed up bittrexx back end etc and ppls btc got lost or stuck the shoe would been on the other foot smh

Hallo

I'm not sure if we were discussing BTC-E so I'm a bit lost with your reply.

Btw.
You have nothing in your hands against BTC-E or Vinik or what is guys name so I'm not sure what are you trying to say.

Believing USA and it's agencies ?
Are you having a laugh or are you considering me being retarded ?
lol.

Lol so youre trying to say he didnt do many of the things they said he did, Are you kidding me?
Independent investigators traced the btc he stole from mt gox directly into btce hotwallets? Ive see the blockchain transaction data myself Its public info , they didnt even try and mix it 😂😂

http://blog.wizsec.jp/2017/07/breaking-open-mtgox-1.html?m=1

there is no overarching conspiracy here bro, they laundered money for a hacker and got caught

I'm not claiming anything here.

I'm saying that I have 0 zero null trust in US agencies.

[Marvell1]

Philip

Did the Bitttrex block BTC withdrawals ?

Nope I withdrew some btc today, thier not blocking anything right now , btc or bcc, but if you try and withdraw or deposit bcc it would take days.

I dont see how you can logically compare btc-e with bittrexx lol ? Btce e had a cofounder who was part of the team that hacked mtgox and stole 700k btc , basically billions then was able to launder it through cash via a btce directley into thier hotwallet which means the owners of Btce were basically his partners and thus complicit

also btce had no id verification or anything and was commonly used to luander btc from the silk road and dark net into roubles or usd.

I can list ten more actions they did that cuased then to be shit down , plus Its a russia vs usa thing going on as well so they were caught up in that as well.

what bittrexx did sucks but you never would have got your bcc there in time to take advantage of the pump in any case , that alone would probably exonerate them from any dumb lawsuit , plus they clearly states that they would credit and btc to bcc on 1 to 1 basis if you got your btc into thier exchange befor July 29

not sure what all the butthurt is about, win some you lose some in crypto, pply whining should have kept thier bcc on the exchange of they wanted to profit, but they chose safety of personal wallets to the exhange its a tradeoff you have to take.  If btc had had a bad fork or huge bugs messed up bittrexx back end etc and ppls btc got lost or stuck the shoe would been on the other foot smh

Hallo

I'm not sure if we were discussing BTC-E so I'm a bit lost with your reply.

Btw.
You have nothing in your hands against BTC-E or Vinik or what is guys name so I'm not sure what are you trying to say.

Believing USA and it's agencies ?
Are you having a laugh or are you considering me being retarded ?
lol.

Lol so youre trying to say he didnt do many of the things they said he did, Are you kidding me?
Independent investigators traced the btc he stole from mt gox directly into btce hotwallets? Ive see the blockchain transaction data myself Its public info , they didnt even try and mix it 😂😂

http://blog.wizsec.jp/2017/07/breaking-open-mtgox-1.html?m=1

there is no overarching conspiracy here bro, they laundered money for a hacker and got caught

I'm not claiming anything here.

I'm saying that I have 0 zero null trust in US agencies.

as u should but the us govt is too dumb to have figured out the paper trail themselvs , they are stupid af
when it comes to tech and blockchain in general, they were provided the infomation by independent blockchain analyts and the moved on the intel simply becuase they saw a way to hurt russia, not that they give af about

brining that crook to justice, shutting down btce hurts russians and putins cronies who are in oppositions to the usa's interests btce was simply caught in the crossfire.  Now its a bit harder for easter oligarchs to wash thier money , and the usa and nato gets to steal stolen and non stolen funds , win win for them.

the whole point Im trying to make is what btce and bittrexx did are orders of magnitude in separation
not even in the realm of apples to oranges😂

[philipma1957]

Philip

Did the Bitttrex block BTC withdrawals ?

Nope I withdrew some btc today, thier not blocking anything right now , btc or bcc, but if you try and withdraw or deposit bcc it would take days.

I dont see how you can logically compare btc-e with bittrexx lol ? Btce e had a cofounder who was part of the team that hacked mtgox and stole 700k btc , basically billions then was able to launder it through cash via a btce directley into thier hotwallet which means the owners of Btce were basically his partners and thus complicit

also btce had no id verification or anything and was commonly used to luander btc from the silk road and dark net into roubles or usd.

I can list ten more actions they did that cuased then to be shit down , plus Its a russia vs usa thing going on as well so they were caught up in that as well.

what bittrexx did sucks but you never would have got your bcc there in time to take advantage of the pump in any case , that alone would probably exonerate them from any dumb lawsuit , plus they clearly states that they would credit and btc to bcc on 1 to 1 basis if you got your btc into thier exchange befor July 29

not sure what all the butthurt is about, win some you lose some in crypto, pply whining should have kept thier bcc on the exchange of they wanted to profit, but they chose safety of personal wallets to the exhange its a tradeoff you have to take.  If btc had had a bad fork or huge bugs messed up bittrexx back end etc and ppls btc got lost or stuck the shoe would been on the other foot smh

Hallo

I'm not sure if we were discussing BTC-E so I'm a bit lost with your reply.

Btw.
You have nothing in your hands against BTC-E or Vinik or what is guys name so I'm not sure what are you trying to say.

Believing USA and it's agencies ?
Are you having a laugh or are you considering me being retarded ?
lol.

Lol so youre trying to say he didnt do many of the things they said he did, Are you kidding me?
Independent investigators traced the btc he stole from mt gox directly into btce hotwallets? Ive see the blockchain transaction data myself Its public info , they didnt even try and mix it 😂😂

http://blog.wizsec.jp/2017/07/breaking-open-mtgox-1.html?m=1

there is no overarching conspiracy here bro, they laundered money for a hacker and got caught

I'm not claiming anything here.

I'm saying that I have 0 zero null trust in US agencies.

as u should but the us govt is too dumb to have figured out the paper trail themselvs , they are stupid af
when it comes to tech and blockchain in general, they were provided the infomation by independent blockchain analyts and the moved on the intel simply becuase they saw a way to hurt russia, not that they give af about

brining that crook to justice, shutting down btce hurts russians and putins cronies who are in oppositions to the usa's interests btce was simply caught in the crossfire.  Now its a bit harder for easter oligarchs to wash thier money , and the usa and nato gets to steal stolen and non stolen funds , win win for them.

the whole point Im trying to make is what btce and bittrexx did are orders of magnitude in separation
not even in the realm of apples to oranges😂

but both can be crushed by US Gov.  and unfortunately bittrex has given the gov and lawyers reason to go after them  by they way they handled this break.

Of course I am not in the know and for all I know bitter and coinbase both are in the us gov 's pocket and will be protected while btc-e in putties' pocket got crushed on a very good date a few days before many many many bcc coins were created.  the timing of the gov shutdown of btc-e shows the us gov aint too dumb as you may think bro.    how many bcc will they now grab?

[soothaa]

but both can be crushed by US Gov.  and unfortunately bittrex has given the gov and lawyers reason to go after them  by they way they handled this break.

Of course I am not in the know and for all I know bitter and coinbase both are in the us gov 's pocket and will be protected while btc-e in putties' pocket got crushed on a very good date a few days before many many many bcc coins were created.  the timing of the gov shutdown of btc-e shows the us gov aint too dumb as you may think bro.    how many bcc will they now grab?

I was unaware that Bittrex did anything wrong.. I got my BCC unlike most other places who kept it or simply ignored it. Did you mean another exchange or is this something I am not aware of going on with Bittrex? Are you referring to their keeping the trading close to the public yet allowing the supposedly "insider trading"?

To be honest I think they are the once who have handled this the best.. I got my BCC in my account right away and figured the wallet would be down for a period while they figured out who had what, brought the market online, and did this that and the other.

[philipma1957]

but both can be crushed by US Gov.  and unfortunately bittrex has given the gov and lawyers reason to go after them  by they way they handled this break.

Of course I am not in the know and for all I know bitter and coinbase both are in the us gov 's pocket and will be protected while btc-e in putties' pocket got crushed on a very good date a few days before many many many bcc coins were created.  the timing of the gov shutdown of btc-e shows the us gov aint too dumb as you may think bro.    how many bcc will they now grab?

I was unaware that Bittrex did anything wrong.. I got my BCC unlike most other places who kept it or simply ignored it. Did you mean another exchange or is this something I am not aware of going on with Bittrex? Are you referring to their keeping the trading close to the public yet allowing the supposedly "insider trading"?

To be honest I think they are the once who have handled this the best.. I got my BCC in my account right away and figured the wallet would be down for a period while they figured out who had what, brought the market online, and did this that and the other.

personally  they were better in giving the bcc out fast,  but stupid to allow trading and bar deposits .

it leaves them open to insider trading accusations b anyone and every that was barred deposits.

and this was done right on the heels of the us gov making a big bust of btc-e.

but as I said maybe bittrex acts as the us gov's white hat so to speak.

I am finally ready to send my  btc empty but bcc full core  wallet to some bcc wallet but I think I will sit on it.

may be a bad move.  we will see.

[vg54dett]

99% wallets on my M2 and Trezor.

Cryptopia and Bitrex for trading.... I barely have more than 1 BTC at anytime on exchanges.
All coins are transferred to the M2 PC right away.
Most of my alt-coins besides whats on Trezors are POS and dividend paying coins.

@vg54dett - have you seen EXODUS wallet?

Thanks, I will give a try for exodus, even if it doesn't seem to support many more coins than Jaxx or Ledger. Will try anyway.

Same for Cryptopia, havent investigated yet, but could be a possibility to diversify from bittrex. ( before the Phil's lax action   )

[GabryRox]

Not sure what Bittrex did wrong in this split... I think they actually handled it quite well as my BCH was credited in my wallet there quicker than I expected. I have since sold it for BTC in 2 chunks... both above .3 BTC, so pretty happy overall.  I am not grasping why them allowing trading but not transfers off the site is a big issue.  If you help BTC and were credited BCH on Bittrex and wanted to move the $ off bittrex, you could just do like I did and sell it for BTC then move the BTC.  The other scenario would be if you held BTC in cold wallet and wanted to move your resulting BCH after the split to Bittrex... but  I dont see why that would count against Bittrex.  Plus, they published what they would  be doing several days prior so not sure what the issue is. Certainly, they handled it WAY better than Coinbase did.

Now, to the US Gov issue... certainly any US-based exchange is a potential target for them. I would like to think that they only go after ones with clear wrong-doings like BTC-e but sadly that is far from the case.  The bottom line is that with VERY few exceptions, the primary or sole driver for them is cash grabbing. If they stand to make a killing by shutting anything down, theree's a very good chance they will do it... with or without cause.  A primary example of this is the DOJ shutting down Poker Stars and Full Tilt Poker a few years back. Of course they used some BS interpretation of some archaic law to justify it, but everyone knows that it was done becasue they saw a HUGE amount of money being played with and they were not getting 1 cent of it!  Now, after many years, Poker Stars is back in a couple of states, but of course, only because they are "officially licensed" meaning, the government is getting their piece of the pie. 

[EvilMonkey]

Going to be lots of screaming about inside trading.

I see lots and lots and lots of litigation against bittrex for not allowing bcc deposits but allowing trading of bcc for other coins.

I see lawsuits against coinbase for not crediting bcc to those that held btc there.

I also see wild times coming this was a huge money grab by bittrex by not allowing deposits of bcc .

Any exchange that did not take bcc deposits but allowed bcc trading is going to worry about being sued.

Oh well.

I think even if you were allowed to deposit into there the blocks are so few and far in between that it would take quite a while to transfer into there.  Hopefully the difficulty adjusts soon.  Plus once you can deposit in there that might open the floodgates for people to dump on there as well.

To be clear it is not an issue to me that they are blocking deposits of bcc.

It is an issue that they are allowing trading of bcc while blocking deposits of bcc.

I am not the government but it looks like they set the company up to get sued by doing this.

1) They knew they would have bcc on hand.

2) They knew they would block deposits .

3) They knew they would allow trading of that bcc for other coins .

This is a perfect setup for insider trading.  1,2,3 are all facts.

They are a USA company.  While not a stock it has been ruled a commodity type asset by the IRS .

Lawsuits are different then criminal statues.  A lawsuit can be won by proponderance of the evidence
While a criminal case needs to be a reasonable doubt .

So A lawsuit 51 percent chance is good
While a criminal  let's say 95 percent is reason able.

If you look at 1 plus 2 plus 3. You only need to show workers, owners ,friends or relatives of bittrex had coins there to win a lawsuit.


This is a big time fuckup.  
Also btc-e was crushed by the Feds a day or two before this happened.

Check the trading of bcc on bittrex well over. 180 not  60 million usd. Not good.
Poor decision any one with bcc not deposit able  can take a shot at any USA exchange that did this.

I see a huge fucking mess oh well.

At least I cashed a lot of btc in July

We all aslo knew 1 2 and 3 bittrex were very open about what would likely happen.

I don't see how bittrex would be liable for anything they were 100% open and transparent about what was going to happen well before any of it happened.  You were given warning after warning that if you wanted to get BCC you had to have your money on the exchange and BTC/USDT would be locked from such and such periods.  

After the snapshot they were again open and transparent about what would be happening.  This is altcoins not stocks.  You can't just allow transfers in and out willy nilly.  It has to be timed and tested, the fact is they COULD not allow transfers without risking people losing coins because of the nature of how the fork occured, it's just not possible.

There is no reason why people can't trade on bittrex if the coins are already there.  Also nothing stopping you transfering any coin you want say ETH.  Selling it for BTC and buying BCC while the BTC wallets were locked,  actually you could have even done that before the snapshot.  Everything was done for a stability and security reason.  You couldn't prove otherwise in court.

Bittrex had the largest amount or one of the largest amounts of BCC on exchange which allowed whales to manipulate stupid people that bought into BCC.  Other exchanges didn't get so badly suckered.

If you kept your BTC on your trezor, you did so as a security measure when the fork hit.  The rest of us took a risk and held it on exchanges.  I personally held all my BTC on bittrex and sold off my BCC when it hit $750.  That was my risk and it paid off.

BCC will dump down to barely anything if BCC actually makes it onto bittrex from places like trezor wallets and other exchanges like Pol that took all the BCC for themselves.

THing is you need 20 confirms.  That will take more than a day, and may even stall the price will dump before any of it hits.  Bittrex did everything pretty professionally I have to say.  

If there is any lawsuites to be had is will be against places that did not give out BCC.  But even then you were warned weeks in advance to get your BTC off certain places and announcements were made as to which exchanges were and were not supporting BCC.  And then you were given eve more chance to move that BTC onto exchanges with locked wallets via other coins if you wanted to take that risk.

[philipma1957]

Going to be lots of screaming about inside trading.

I see lots and lots and lots of litigation against bittrex for not allowing bcc deposits but allowing trading of bcc for other coins.

I see lawsuits against coinbase for not crediting bcc to those that held btc there.

I also see wild times coming this was a huge money grab by bittrex by not allowing deposits of bcc .

Any exchange that did not take bcc deposits but allowed bcc trading is going to worry about being sued.

Oh well.

I think even if you were allowed to deposit into there the blocks are so few and far in between that it would take quite a while to transfer into there.  Hopefully the difficulty adjusts soon.  Plus once you can deposit in there that might open the floodgates for people to dump on there as well.

To be clear it is not an issue to me that they are blocking deposits of bcc.

It is an issue that they are allowing trading of bcc while blocking deposits of bcc.

I am not the government but it looks like they set the company up to get sued by doing this.

1) They knew they would have bcc on hand.

2) They knew they would block deposits .

3) They knew they would allow trading of that bcc for other coins .

This is a perfect setup for insider trading.  1,2,3 are all facts.

They are a USA company.  While not a stock it has been ruled a commodity type asset by the IRS .

Lawsuits are different then criminal statues.  A lawsuit can be won by proponderance of the evidence
While a criminal case needs to be a reasonable doubt .

So A lawsuit 51 percent chance is good
While a criminal  let's say 95 percent is reason able.

If you look at 1 plus 2 plus 3. You only need to show workers, owners ,friends or relatives of bittrex had coins there to win a lawsuit.


This is a big time fuckup.  
Also btc-e was crushed by the Feds a day or two before this happened.

Check the trading of bcc on bittrex well over. 180 not  60 million usd. Not good.
Poor decision any one with bcc not deposit able  can take a shot at any USA exchange that did this.

I see a huge fucking mess oh well.

At least I cashed a lot of btc in July

We all aslo knew 1 2 and 3 bittrex were very open about what would likely happen.

I don't see how bittrex would be liable for anything they were 100% open and transparent about what was going to happen well before any of it happened.  You were given warning after warning that if you wanted to get BCC you had to have your money on the exchange and BTC/USDT would be locked from such and such periods.  

After the snapshot they were again open and transparent about what would be happening.  This is altcoins not stocks.  You can't just allow transfers in and out willy nilly.  It has to be timed and tested, the fact is they COULD not allow transfers without risking people losing coins because of the nature of how the fork occured, it's just not possible.

There is no reason why people can't trade on bittrex if the coins are already there.  Also nothing stopping you transfering any coin you want say ETH.  Selling it for BTC and buying BCC while the BTC wallets were locked,  actually you could have even done that before the snapshot.  Everything was done for a stability and security reason.  You couldn't prove otherwise in court.

Bittrex had the largest amount or one of the largest amounts of BCC on exchange which allowed whales to manipulate stupid people that bought into BCC.  Other exchanges didn't get so badly suckered.

If you kept your BTC on your trezor, you did so as a security measure when the fork hit.  The rest of us took a risk and held it on exchanges.  I personally held all my BTC on bittrex and sold off my BCC when it hit $750.  That was my risk and it paid off.

BCC will dump down to barely anything if BCC actually makes it onto bittrex from places like trezor wallets and other exchanges like Pol that took all the BCC for themselves.

THing is you need 20 confirms.  That will take more than a day, and may even stall the price will dump before any of it hits.  Bittrex did everything pretty professionally I have to say.  

If there is any lawsuites to be had is will be against places that did not give out BCC.  But even then you were warned weeks in advance to get your BTC off certain places and announcements were made as to which exchanges were and were not supporting BCC.  And then you were given eve more chance to move that BTC onto exchanges with locked wallets via other coins if you wanted to take that risk.

  Hey  what do I know .  I just a 60 year guy typing on a keyboard in New Jersey.

[EvilMonkey]

Going to be lots of screaming about inside trading.

I see lots and lots and lots of litigation against bittrex for not allowing bcc deposits but allowing trading of bcc for other coins.

I see lawsuits against coinbase for not crediting bcc to those that held btc there.

I also see wild times coming this was a huge money grab by bittrex by not allowing deposits of bcc .

Any exchange that did not take bcc deposits but allowed bcc trading is going to worry about being sued.

Oh well.

I think even if you were allowed to deposit into there the blocks are so few and far in between that it would take quite a while to transfer into there.  Hopefully the difficulty adjusts soon.  Plus once you can deposit in there that might open the floodgates for people to dump on there as well.

To be clear it is not an issue to me that they are blocking deposits of bcc.

It is an issue that they are allowing trading of bcc while blocking deposits of bcc.

I am not the government but it looks like they set the company up to get sued by doing this.

1) They knew they would have bcc on hand.

2) They knew they would block deposits .

3) They knew they would allow trading of that bcc for other coins .

This is a perfect setup for insider trading.  1,2,3 are all facts.

They are a USA company.  While not a stock it has been ruled a commodity type asset by the IRS .

Lawsuits are different then criminal statues.  A lawsuit can be won by proponderance of the evidence
While a criminal case needs to be a reasonable doubt .

So A lawsuit 51 percent chance is good
While a criminal  let's say 95 percent is reason able.

If you look at 1 plus 2 plus 3. You only need to show workers, owners ,friends or relatives of bittrex had coins there to win a lawsuit.


This is a big time fuckup.  
Also btc-e was crushed by the Feds a day or two before this happened.

Check the trading of bcc on bittrex well over. 180 not  60 million usd. Not good.
Poor decision any one with bcc not deposit able  can take a shot at any USA exchange that did this.

I see a huge fucking mess oh well.

At least I cashed a lot of btc in July

We all aslo knew 1 2 and 3 bittrex were very open about what would likely happen.

I don't see how bittrex would be liable for anything they were 100% open and transparent about what was going to happen well before any of it happened.  You were given warning after warning that if you wanted to get BCC you had to have your money on the exchange and BTC/USDT would be locked from such and such periods.  

After the snapshot they were again open and transparent about what would be happening.  This is altcoins not stocks.  You can't just allow transfers in and out willy nilly.  It has to be timed and tested, the fact is they COULD not allow transfers without risking people losing coins because of the nature of how the fork occured, it's just not possible.

There is no reason why people can't trade on bittrex if the coins are already there.  Also nothing stopping you transfering any coin you want say ETH.  Selling it for BTC and buying BCC while the BTC wallets were locked,  actually you could have even done that before the snapshot.  Everything was done for a stability and security reason.  You couldn't prove otherwise in court.

Bittrex had the largest amount or one of the largest amounts of BCC on exchange which allowed whales to manipulate stupid people that bought into BCC.  Other exchanges didn't get so badly suckered.

If you kept your BTC on your trezor, you did so as a security measure when the fork hit.  The rest of us took a risk and held it on exchanges.  I personally held all my BTC on bittrex and sold off my BCC when it hit $750.  That was my risk and it paid off.

BCC will dump down to barely anything if BCC actually makes it onto bittrex from places like trezor wallets and other exchanges like Pol that took all the BCC for themselves.

THing is you need 20 confirms.  That will take more than a day, and may even stall the price will dump before any of it hits.  Bittrex did everything pretty professionally I have to say.  

If there is any lawsuites to be had is will be against places that did not give out BCC.  But even then you were warned weeks in advance to get your BTC off certain places and announcements were made as to which exchanges were and were not supporting BCC.  And then you were given eve more chance to move that BTC onto exchanges with locked wallets via other coins if you wanted to take that risk.

  Hey  what do I know .  I just a 60 year guy typing on a keyboard in New Jersey.

Haha ... I am just a 37 year old .. could say the same .  You could be correct the USA is famous for lawsuits and shit like that but personally as a user of Bittrex and I am more into trading coins than mining, I thought Bittrex handled the whole matter reasonably well.  I'd personally prefer they had statements directly on their exchange rather than having to be on a mailing list/twitter to get the info but it is what it is right now :/.

[QuintLeo]

Guys!!

When will we see the "FLOOD" of GPUs onto Ebay etc? I think we have talked about this for a while, but im waiting and waiting for my cheap GPUs 

I am keen on used 1070s at below AMD pricing 

 The flood isn't due PROBABLY 'till ETH goes more POS than not - unless ETH has a major price collapse (down into DOUBLE digit range) before that point.

 I also don't see 1070 cards going for LESS than RX cards (except RX Vega) - it's the RX 470/480/570/580 that the "flood" is going to hammer the hardest as they are the most used in ETH.

[philipma1957]

Going to be lots of screaming about inside trading.

I see lots and lots and lots of litigation against bittrex for not allowing bcc deposits but allowing trading of bcc for other coins.

I see lawsuits against coinbase for not crediting bcc to those that held btc there.

I also see wild times coming this was a huge money grab by bittrex by not allowing deposits of bcc .

Any exchange that did not take bcc deposits but allowed bcc trading is going to worry about being sued.

Oh well.

I think even if you were allowed to deposit into there the blocks are so few and far in between that it would take quite a while to transfer into there.  Hopefully the difficulty adjusts soon.  Plus once you can deposit in there that might open the floodgates for people to dump on there as well.

To be clear it is not an issue to me that they are blocking deposits of bcc.

It is an issue that they are allowing trading of bcc while blocking deposits of bcc.

I am not the government but it looks like they set the company up to get sued by doing this.

1) They knew they would have bcc on hand.

2) They knew they would block deposits .

3) They knew they would allow trading of that bcc for other coins .

This is a perfect setup for insider trading.  1,2,3 are all facts.

They are a USA company.  While not a stock it has been ruled a commodity type asset by the IRS .

Lawsuits are different then criminal statues.  A lawsuit can be won by proponderance of the evidence
While a criminal case needs to be a reasonable doubt .

So A lawsuit 51 percent chance is good
While a criminal  let's say 95 percent is reason able.

If you look at 1 plus 2 plus 3. You only need to show workers, owners ,friends or relatives of bittrex had coins there to win a lawsuit.


This is a big time fuckup.  
Also btc-e was crushed by the Feds a day or two before this happened.

Check the trading of bcc on bittrex well over. 180 not  60 million usd. Not good.
Poor decision any one with bcc not deposit able  can take a shot at any USA exchange that did this.

I see a huge fucking mess oh well.

At least I cashed a lot of btc in July

We all aslo knew 1 2 and 3 bittrex were very open about what would likely happen.

I don't see how bittrex would be liable for anything they were 100% open and transparent about what was going to happen well before any of it happened.  You were given warning after warning that if you wanted to get BCC you had to have your money on the exchange and BTC/USDT would be locked from such and such periods.  

After the snapshot they were again open and transparent about what would be happening.  This is altcoins not stocks.  You can't just allow transfers in and out willy nilly.  It has to be timed and tested, the fact is they COULD not allow transfers without risking people losing coins because of the nature of how the fork occured, it's just not possible.

There is no reason why people can't trade on bittrex if the coins are already there.  Also nothing stopping you transfering any coin you want say ETH.  Selling it for BTC and buying BCC while the BTC wallets were locked,  actually you could have even done that before the snapshot.  Everything was done for a stability and security reason.  You couldn't prove otherwise in court.

Bittrex had the largest amount or one of the largest amounts of BCC on exchange which allowed whales to manipulate stupid people that bought into BCC.  Other exchanges didn't get so badly suckered.

If you kept your BTC on your trezor, you did so as a security measure when the fork hit.  The rest of us took a risk and held it on exchanges.  I personally held all my BTC on bittrex and sold off my BCC when it hit $750.  That was my risk and it paid off.

BCC will dump down to barely anything if BCC actually makes it onto bittrex from places like trezor wallets and other exchanges like Pol that took all the BCC for themselves.

THing is you need 20 confirms.  That will take more than a day, and may even stall the price will dump before any of it hits.  Bittrex did everything pretty professionally I have to say.  

If there is any lawsuites to be had is will be against places that did not give out BCC.  But even then you were warned weeks in advance to get your BTC off certain places and announcements were made as to which exchanges were and were not supporting BCC.  And then you were given eve more chance to move that BTC onto exchanges with locked wallets via other coins if you wanted to take that risk.

  Hey  what do I know .  I just a 60 year guy typing on a keyboard in New Jersey.

Haha ... I am just a 37 year old .. could say the same .  You could be correct the USA is famous for lawsuits and shit like that but personally as a user of Bittrex and I am more into trading coins than mining, I thought Bittrex handled the whole matter reasonably well.  I'd personally prefer they had statements directly on their exchange rather than having to be on a mailing list/twitter to get the info but it is what it is right now :/.

No worries  I mine more due to the solar array helping power costs.

Of the 8.xx coins on my core wallet

   4 were an escrow
   3 were in partnership with buysolar
   1 was mine

so 2.5 of the 8  are mine  which  at peak was 2.5 x .4 = 1 btc

i think we are now at  2.5 x .175 = .4375 btc

If I do it correctly

at the moment I don't have a certain  wallet to export the core to.. I will  study it a bit more and try in the morning.

1 very  good thing is all the btc is intact. I think I will sell some tonight.

[LoneRangir]

Is there a way to export the private key(s) from a core wallet in text form, so it can be imported into another wallet?

[philipma1957]

Is there a way to export the private key(s) from a core wallet in text form, so it can be imported into another wallet?

yes i did it years ago .  you can dump the key to an address   then import the key.

that is not the hard part.

the hard part is making sure you have a proper bcc wallet.  and I am not so sure the one I downloaded is proper one.

I can now pull the small amount of bcc I have on  hash nest and on  bittrex send it to my 'new' bcc wallet if I get the new bcc to take a bcc deposit at least i would know it is a bcc wallet.

i would then import the smaller  core wallet address hoping to see about .014 bcc

 would then import the bigger core wallet address hoping to se 8.07 bcc

if all that works I could send the coin to bittrex hoping to get confirms  and maybe trade the  8 bcc for 1 btc.

or I could do nothing nada and hope for bcc to take off.

or I could sell  most of my btc and hodl the bcc hoping for a huge bcc rally in a month or two.