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June 01, 2013, 01:09:17 AM
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This is a low blow from the company, how can anyone get away with that? Josh is obviously thinking with his knee instead of his head!

Somehow this reminded me of the funniest episode ever of Whose Line is it Anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTxkxG3DF4k



Wow .. your intellect comes through in that clip... thanks for sharing. You didn't even make anything up you just copied and pasted. You must be proud.

Let me say .. well done sir you have won me over.

You are not here to be impressed. You are here to impress him.

Hands on your ankles!

PL .. I know its hard to see .. but they are actually holding hands. I am sure through your "filters" of constantly getting it in the ass you would see it in another way. I understand.

I worry not, everytime I turn to my left, you are there with me. haha
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Wow .. your intellect comes through in that clip... thanks for sharing. You didn't even make anything up you just copied and pasted. You must be proud.

Let me say .. well done sir you have won me over.


Apologies for not responding earlier, but I was busy on other threads, whereas your intellect capabilities has you trapped in only one thread--this one.

You need to start getting out and exploring the rest of the forum unless, that is...

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Agoraphobia is often misunderstood as a phobia of leaving home. However, this is not quite accurate. Agoraphobia is a phobia of being in a situation where escape would be difficult or impossible, or help would be unavailable if a panic attack should occur.

Agoraphobia is often a progressive phobia, and may eventually lead to a fear of leaving the house. However, it is the panic attack, rather than the act of being in public, that is the cause of the fear. Symptoms of agoraphobia may include:

Panicked Feelings: Agoraphobia can become a self-replicating cycle. The sufferer is anxious about having a panic attack which can, in turn, lead to a panic attack.

Avoidant Behavior: Limiting life activities in an effort to avoid situations where help for a panic attack may not be available.

Clustering: A pattern of avoided situations is generally present. Common clusters include public transportation; shopping; driving; and leaving home.

Agoraphobia often develops out of an untreated panic disorder. More information about panic disorder with agoraphobia can be found at What is Agoraphobia? However, agoraphobia sometimes develops with no prior history of panic disorder. A mental health professional can determine whether your symptoms are those of agoraphobia or BFL disorder.

Copied and pasted from the internet.

I am saddened by your lack of effort or focus and/or alacrity. Clearly my troll is not hard enough.

How am I showing phobia?  It seems you are the one over extrapolating.

How am I avoiding ? Except for YipYap who has me on ignore I will call you guys fuck wits till the cows come home. Mark my words.


Clustering. What have I avoided .. all I have made clear is your clear avoidance for making any sense or reason except for screaming noob noob at me.. that is clustering.

Agoraphobia  ... WHAT ?

Quick question .. does highlighting it in yellow help you to focus your thoughts ?
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June 01, 2013, 01:24:49 AM
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This is a low blow from the company, how can anyone get away with that? Josh is obviously thinking with his knee instead of his head!

Somehow this reminded me of the funniest episode ever of Whose Line is it Anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTxkxG3DF4k



Wow .. your intellect comes through in that clip... thanks for sharing. You didn't even make anything up you just copied and pasted. You must be proud.

Let me say .. well done sir you have won me over.

You are not here to be impressed. You are here to impress him.

Hands on your ankles!

PL .. I know its hard to see .. but they are actually holding hands. I am sure through your "filters" of constantly getting it in the ass you would see it in another way. I understand.

I worry not, everytime I turn to my left, you are there with me. haha

WHAT ?  PL you should be fucking silent .. you just make everyone here look extremely stupid.  They are fucking dumb.. but you pull it down by at least 50 - 80 percent.
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June 01, 2013, 01:58:02 AM
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Forum advertisement brought me here Smiley

Selling fully funded Titan BTC Physical Bitcoins, Gold and SIlver - BTC Physical Bitcoins BTC PM if interested.
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June 01, 2013, 09:41:34 PM
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intoh aka josh.... shut up, your boring and smell of troll cabbage and pickled eggs
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June 01, 2013, 10:43:11 PM
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I like that there is a forum ad directing people to this thread, and that if they decide to see where the thread headed, going to the last page (like me!) this is what they read.

BitcoinTalk you always have something to offer don'cha?
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June 01, 2013, 11:07:28 PM
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I like that there is a forum ad directing people to this thread, and that if they decide to see where the thread headed, going to the last page (like me!) this is what they read.

BitcoinTalk you always have something to offer don'cha?

If you read the thread though, you will see that the guy who is paying for the ad that led you here lost his 2012 bfl orders for shouting his mouth off and not knowing when to stop.

Now, his bitterness is attracting others here to see his major fail.

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June 01, 2013, 11:20:32 PM
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I like that there is a forum ad directing people to this thread, and that if they decide to see where the thread headed, going to the last page (like me!) this is what they read.

BitcoinTalk you always have something to offer don'cha?

If you read the thread though, you will see that the guy who is paying for the ad that led you here lost his 2012 bfl orders for shouting his mouth off and not knowing when to stop.

Now, his bitterness is attracting others here to see his major fail.

It attracted some lawyers too. They must smell blood.

All thanks to this gem:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.msg2290818#msg2290818

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June 01, 2013, 11:27:31 PM
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It attracted some lawyers too. They must smell blood.

All thanks to this gem:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.msg2290818#msg2290818

For the benefit of the thread I need to point out that k9quaint doesn't want others to have an asic and he's really disappointed bfl are delivering now... he's well known for it.

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June 02, 2013, 12:17:24 AM
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It attracted some lawyers too. They must smell blood.

All thanks to this gem:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.msg2290818#msg2290818

For the benefit of the thread I need to point out that k9quaint doesn't want others to have an asic and he's really disappointed bfl are delivering now... he's well known for it.

I am flattered that Nottm28 feels that I am enough of a threat that he must follow me around with boilerplate Ad Hominem in a futile attempt to deflect criticism from BFL.

ASICs are available from ASICMiner and Avalon and they have shipped in bulk and together have quadrupled the network hashrate. BFL has not delivered enough product to impact the network hash rate at all. 

Why would I be disappointed in BFL? They have captured millions of dollars that would have otherwise resulted in the deployment of mining devices. Thanks to them I got months worth of lower difficulty. Now that ASICMiner and Avalon are both generally available, BFL is irrelevant from a network hash rate point of view.

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June 02, 2013, 12:24:32 AM
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It attracted some lawyers too. They must smell blood.

All thanks to this gem:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.msg2290818#msg2290818

For the benefit of the thread I need to point out that k9quaint doesn't want others to have an asic and he's really disappointed bfl are delivering now... he's well known for it.

I am flattered that Nottm28 feels that I am enough of a threat that he must follow me around with boilerplate Ad Hominem in a futile attempt to deflect criticism from BFL.

ASICs are available from ASICMiner and Avalon and they have shipped in bulk and together have quadrupled the network hashrate. BFL has not delivered enough product to impact the network hash rate at all. 

Why would I be disappointed in BFL? They have captured millions of dollars that would have otherwise resulted in the deployment of mining devices. Thanks to them I got months worth of lower difficulty. Now that ASICMiner and Avalon are both generally available, BFL is irrelevant from a network hash rate point of view.

Just read on the bfl forums that some guy has a 60g bfl order 'shipping' email...

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June 02, 2013, 05:01:02 AM
Last edit: June 02, 2013, 05:28:57 AM by PuertoLibre
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How to spot a Liar (Video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=100s (Intro)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=194s (Conmen can cost people money and more...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=274s (Liars by type)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=337s (Crosses the boundaries of...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=370s (When it starts...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=427s (Detecting the Lie...The signs and behaviors)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=485s (Non-contracted Denial) <-- Not a clear and definitive Lie at face value. Being vague!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=525s (Body Language) <-- Tell tale signs, behaviors and patterns of behaviors. (including written text, details expressed and subject matters addressed and/or avoided when addressing an issue)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=608s (Attitudes taken)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=761s (Leaky liars...People who express improper emotions...including contempt!)  Wink Cheesy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=886s (Asking the right questions and looking at the behaviors that come out of answering those questions.)

Control your desires when listening!

It is worth your time to see this video.
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June 02, 2013, 05:08:25 AM
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How to spot a Liar (Video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=100s (Intro)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=194s (Conmen can cost people money and more...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_6vDLq64gE#t=274s (Liars by type)

Control your desires when listening!

It is worth your time to see this video.

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Oh ya baby. Nice TED talk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUsGDVOCLVQ <--- take it a step further?

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June 02, 2013, 05:24:37 AM
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I'm trying to understand how they can think to start offering chips for sale without having the ability to ship their own assembled and functional hardware in significant volume.

*boggles*

Am I missing something ? (other than 4 preorders for 60GHs Single SCs ?)
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June 02, 2013, 05:30:35 AM
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I'm trying to understand how they can think to start offering chips for sale without having the ability to ship their own assembled and functional hardware in significant volume.

*boggles*

Am I missing something ? (other than 4 preorders for 60GHs Single SCs ?)

Still missing those huh? Here I was thinking you'd already been made whole on those preorders...

Drama queen much?  Cheesy

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June 02, 2013, 05:40:17 AM
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Drama queen much?  Cheesy

 Drama is slowly getting warmed up. Suggest you stock up on popcorn.

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June 02, 2013, 05:46:51 AM
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Mining Rigs in General almost look like MLM schemes given the difficulty rate of Bitcoin... what can we learn from warnings about MLM and BFL tactics so far somethings may or may apply but it is interesting to compare especially given the action of BFL to cancel Xian01's order.

http://pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/resources/12tests1.pdf

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Twelve Tests for Evaluating a Network Marketing (MLM) “Opportunity”
By Jon M. Taylor, Ph.D., Consumer Awareness Institute

The following tests should help you avoid programs in which you will only be wasting your money, time, and effort.

THE OPPORTUNITY TEST

Were you approached primarily on the basis of the actual value and need for the products—or for the “opportunity?” If the latter, the program may be actually a pyramid device for enriching the company and a small group of upline distributors.

Another red flag to look for is promoters who talk of “getting in on the ground floor” or “riding the wave” of opportunity. Usually, the bulk of the income in these cases is already locked in by the founding distributors in the pyramidal hierarchy.

THE MARKET REALITY TEST

Also, ask if the company allows unlimited recruiting of distributors in an area—with no territorial protection or other provisions for preventing market saturation? If so, you may be buying a ticket for a flight that has already departed. You could be left holding a bag of empty promises and a worthless ticket.

THE PRODUCT TEST

Review the products offered and ask yourself:

Are products of consistently high quality, and do they carry a buy-back guarantee? Can all product claims (such as health claims) be backed up by reliable research? Are orders filled and shipped promptly? And are manufacturing and expiration dates printed on consumable products?¸

THE COMPENSATION TEST

While a few distributors at the top of the pyramid will be rewarded handsomely, as many as 99% (over 99.9% in some programs) of distributors beneath them will come away empty—most actually losing money, after subtracting expenses and product purchases. Also, in some programs, your quitting merely enhances the income of your upline—because income from your downline “rolls up” to those above you.

THE INCOME DISCLOSURE TEST

If less than 1% of all distributors earn the equivalent of a minimum wage for their time (after subtracting all expenses and MLM products purchased), you might want to consider a more profitable use of your money, time, and energy. (Some researchers estimate that for most MLM programs, less than 1% of distributors ever turn a profit.)

THE “PAY TO PLAY” TEST

This requirement (or strong suggestion) that you make large purchases of products over a period of time to qualify for increasing bonus levels or purchasing discounts is one sign of a product-based pyramid scheme. After months or years of fruitless effort and a garage full of products, some participants come to realize they have merely been paying into a pyramid scheme in the form of payments for unneeded products.

THE PRICE TEST

If products are priced at a premium to support a large network of distributors, then the premium portion of the price could be considered the pyramid portion. So if a MLM product sells for $40 and a comparable product would sell for $20 at a typical retail outlet, the $20 premium may be deemed the pyramid portion of the price and would flow to top distributors in typical pyramid fashion.

THE GOLDEN RULE TEST

How did you feel about the way you were recruited to do the business, and how do you feel about approaching your family and friends in the same way? How important are your relationships to you? Are you offended when they attempt to exploit your connection with them for monetary gain? Would you want to do the exploiting?

THE TIME FREEDOM TEST

The perennial dream of those with a pyramidal mentality is to be successful at recruiting a downline that will bring in enough money to support them so they won’t have to work themselves—thus giving them “time freedom.” They can then “leverage” their time by living off the efforts of others. If a recruiter promises that by working hard for a brief time period you will never have to work again, ask what percent of their top distributors are no longer actively involved with the company—and never attend opportunity meetings.

THE HONESTY TEST

Has the recruiter been devious or up front in his or her inviting attempts? And can the products and “opportunity” be sold without making exaggerated product and income claims? Ask for validation of each of the claims made.

If you find the truth frequently distorted, powerful and escalating incentives may be driving the recruitment. If normally honest persons feel the need to exaggerate
claims to sell the products and the program, you may find yourself having to do the same.

THE CREDIBILITY TEST

MLM promoters who don’t command respect themselves may lean heavily on the “credentials” or “character” of others involved in the “opportunity.” If such references are used to excess, watch out. Such credibility links can be deceptive. Why? Because the ethics of MLM are so tricky to sort out that respectable and high level people have been drawn into the most problematical of programs.

THE SUPPORT TEST

Does the company offer an adequate support infrastructure to handle a temporary burst of volume? Will your upline be there when you need them, or do they have a history of jumping ship when the next hot MLM deal comes along?

A FINAL WORD

If you have found this flyer helpful in deciding about participation in MLM, you could be doing your friends and family a favor by sharing this information with at least five of them. Then ask each of them to share it with five more persons, and suggest they tell each of them to share it with five more, and © 2000 Jon M. Taylor. This flyer may be reproduced in its entirely for consumer awareness, but may not be sold or packaged for sale without the author’s written permission. It has been designed for easy reproduction on 8½ x11-inch paper.

For more information on problems with network marketing and possible solutions, visit our website— http://www.PyramidSchemeAlert.org. Or email: jonmtaylor@juno.com .

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June 02, 2013, 05:51:51 AM
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MLM means Multi-Level Marketing. In case anyone is wondering.

This is not an accusation, simply a definition for those that do not know what an MLM scheme might be.



They are considered bad because the resellers at the very bottom never make their money back. Only those at the start of the pyramid make their money back and then some.
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June 02, 2013, 06:44:51 AM
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I'm trying to understand how they can think to start offering chips for sale without having the ability to ship their own assembled and functional hardware in significant volume.

*boggles*

Am I missing something ? (other than 4 preorders for 60GHs Single SCs ?)

Makes sense to me.

Sell the chips, along with selling or telling folks were to get the other components, and give simple instructions as to how it all goes together. And it has to work because BFL did it a couple times, with a few more times to go. You saw the video. Even Mexicans from a temp service were able to put it all together.

For those who are slow, the above is sarcasm. The truth is they ain't got a clue as to how to make it all work, thus pawning off overpriced chips to you, implying it's a just a matter of connecting part A to part B, like an Ikea or Heathkit kit.

BFL is fucking you in the ass, and they ain't using any lube. And don't even think about bitching about it, otherwise they'll stop fucking you, making you go without. Think about it!
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June 02, 2013, 08:21:25 AM
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Drama queen much?  Cheesy

 Drama is slowly getting warmed up. Suggest you stock up on popcorn.

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I already did. Imagine if KNCminer delivers before BFL? Grin
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