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October 12, 2014, 08:34:21 AM |
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I'm pondering the removal of the faucet more seriously now, the cost of it has significantly decreased but the incredible amount of support emails that center around the faucet itself or amounts under 0.0005 from faucet bettors along with a much broadened userbase has decreased the quality of the support we offer significantly. Many argue that it must be removed as it lowers the quality of the chat and community as well.
What are the thoughts of everyone and if faucet is removed what should levels be used for?
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Create a new e-mail address where the e-mails regarding faucet will go and never read them again ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) More seriously without faucet, i dont see what the users will benefit from level system, if there was a delay in the bets, then it could be less delay for higher levels, but there is no such thing at PD. Or there could be ranks linked to levels, but that also is just minor thing according to the faucet. BTW if you want i can create a gmail account for faucet e-mails, and will read and answer them every day, you just have to set a forwarding to every e-mail that contains faucet, it should'nt be that much work to implement. (I'm Zoltan, one of the mods)
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October 12, 2014, 08:36:28 AM |
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What are the thoughts of everyone and if faucet is removed what should levels be used for?
I am okay with it. What about lowering house edge on level up? Or plan some regular giveaway (say, 1 every 10 mil bets) and higher level users can get more from the giveaway?
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October 12, 2014, 08:36:44 AM |
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I'm pondering the removal of the faucet more seriously now, the cost of it has significantly decreased but the incredible amount of support emails that center around the faucet itself or amounts under 0.0005 from faucet bettors along with a much larger userbase has decreased the quality of the support we can offer severely. Many argue that it must be removed as it lowers the quality of the chat and community as well.
What are the thoughts of everyone and if faucet is removed what should levels be used for?
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faucet must be erase for lower level let's say...from lv 1 ~ 15 that account can't have a faucet
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Stunna (OP)
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October 12, 2014, 08:37:31 AM |
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I'm pondering the removal of the faucet more seriously now, the cost of it has significantly decreased but the incredible amount of support emails that center around the faucet itself or amounts under 0.0005 from faucet bettors along with a much larger userbase has decreased the quality of the support we can offer severely. Many argue that it must be removed as it lowers the quality of the chat and community as well.
What are the thoughts of everyone and if faucet is removed what should levels be used for?
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faucet must be erase for lower level let's say...from lv 1 ~ 15 that account can't have a faucet People would just further farm up accounts and sell them then.
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October 12, 2014, 08:54:26 AM |
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You could make the faucet only available to people who have wagered a certain amount? Like 1BTC+ or something. I imagine that most of the emails are from new members that are only there for the faucet.
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October 12, 2014, 08:55:37 AM |
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Faucet must stay. It is one of the unique thing about this site, along with the tipsy bot. It gives people something to do while waiting on a deposit. Faucet also encourages more bets and will be good as a way for new comers to test out the site and later decide to deposit. Without the faucet primedice will lose out on potential new customers, casualy customers, and those who mostly play for fun but will bet big on those occasional drunken nights. Please keep the faucet. It brings hope and joy to lots of people ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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October 12, 2014, 08:58:32 AM |
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Faucet must stay. It is one of the unique thing about this site, along with the tipsy bot. It gives people something to do while waiting on a deposit. Faucet also encourages more bets and will be good as a way for new comers to test out the site and later decide to deposit. Without the faucet primedice will lose out on potential new customers, casualy customers, and those who mostly play for fun but will bet big on those occasional drunken nights. Please keep the faucet. It brings hope and joy to lots of people ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Most of the people that complain about the faucet in chat, etc -- are people that have never deposited. This is a business; it's not a place to look for "hope and joy" for free
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October 12, 2014, 08:59:23 AM |
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Faucet must stay. It is one of the unique thing about this site, along with the tipsy bot. It gives people something to do while waiting on a deposit. Faucet also encourages more bets and will be good as a way for new comers to test out the site and later decide to deposit. Without the faucet primedice will lose out on potential new customers, casualy customers, and those who mostly play for fun but will bet big on those occasional drunken nights. Please keep the faucet. It brings hope and joy to lots of people ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I agree. I sometimes wager 50+ BTC on a single day and most other days I spend just having fun on faucet and chatting. I think faucet should stay.
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October 12, 2014, 08:59:39 AM |
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Faucet must stay. It is one of the unique thing about this site, along with the tipsy bot. It gives people something to do while waiting on a deposit. Faucet also encourages more bets and will be good as a way for new comers to test out the site and later decide to deposit. Without the faucet primedice will lose out on potential new customers, casualy customers, and those who mostly play for fun but will bet big on those occasional drunken nights. Please keep the faucet. It brings hope and joy to lots of people ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I agree this. Faucet must stay.
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zzaza
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October 12, 2014, 09:13:27 AM |
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Faucet must stay. It is one of the unique thing about this site, along with the tipsy bot. It gives people something to do while waiting on a deposit. Faucet also encourages more bets and will be good as a way for new comers to test out the site and later decide to deposit. Without the faucet primedice will lose out on potential new customers, casualy customers, and those who mostly play for fun but will bet big on those occasional drunken nights. Please keep the faucet. It brings hope and joy to lots of people ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I agree this. Faucet must stay. Stunna has asked for ideas for level system, and didn't ask if the faucet should stay or not. I think he knows how many people are using it, so he has an idea how many would vote for keeping it ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) He needs solutions, so support will be better. As is said in my previous post, im willing to help support mails regarding the faucet, unfortunately i have no idea what the level system should be used for... ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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October 12, 2014, 09:16:18 AM |
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I'd have never come bet on the site if not for the faucet, and I'm down .125 or something on there, so it's been a good investment on me ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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October 12, 2014, 09:17:24 AM |
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I'm pondering the removal of the faucet more seriously now, the cost of it has significantly decreased but the incredible amount of support emails that center around the faucet itself or amounts under 0.0005 from faucet bettors along with a much larger userbase has decreased the quality of the support we can offer severely. Many argue that it must be removed as it lowers the quality of the chat and community as well.
What are the thoughts of everyone and if faucet is removed what should levels be used for?
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I would use lvl 40 to give players VIP tags. And to give access to vip chatroom. Many high rollers don't come to chat coz of instant begging. We don't allow it on chat but they beg them on pm and they don't want to bother sending us ss of that pm.
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October 12, 2014, 09:18:00 AM |
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Stunna has asked for ideas for level system, and didn't ask if the faucet should stay or not.
From my personal understanding on Stunna's post, he did ask for our opinions on removing the faucet system. I'm pondering the removal of the faucet more seriously now, the cost of it has significantly decreased but the incredible amount of support emails that center around the faucet itself or amounts under 0.0005 from faucet bettors along with a much larger userbase has decreased the quality of the support we can offer severely. Many argue that it must be removed as it lowers the quality of the chat and community as well.
What are the thoughts of everyone and if faucet is removed what should levels be used for?
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October 12, 2014, 09:19:32 AM |
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Depositing enables the faucet for a certain (scale with level ?) time. What do you guys think about my idea ?
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October 12, 2014, 09:20:16 AM |
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I'm pondering the removal of the faucet more seriously now, the cost of it has significantly decreased but the incredible amount of support emails that center around the faucet itself or amounts under 0.0005 from faucet bettors along with a much larger userbase has decreased the quality of the support we can offer severely. Many argue that it must be removed as it lowers the quality of the chat and community as well.
What are the thoughts of everyone and if faucet is removed what should levels be used for?
Thanks
Well tbh removing it all completely would make the site no different from the rest. The level/faucet update was the main attraction for frequent gamblers. I agree it attracted too many free loaders but there could be a system placed to avoid non depositors abusing faucet or accounts that been sold purely for its faucet level. Few ideas: 1. Make a secondary balance on an account made for faucet plays. Make it only withdraw-able after getting to $x not x btc that way you dont lose a lot of cash if it is reached with a requirement of 1 BTC gambled to withdraw $x amount of faucet wins. Most would bust with greed if you raise it and add that requirement. 2. Another idea I emailed was adding offers to unlock faucet a few items a day as long as you played $x/Xbtc such day through your own deposit. Making the faucet random as well with chance to get higher amounts based on levels + total wagered, every time they win a high amount x LVLs is lost making so that people will HAVE TO DEPOSIT AND PLAY again to have better chance to obtain higher faucet. Basically like a reset. 3. Or simply make weekly levels that reset on Sunday. That way to obtain faucet whether random amounts or constant as it currently is is only obtainable if you actually deposit and play frequently.
I do admit incorporating such things might be a pain and a bit of cost but I think something like the last two ideas would benefit everyone. Completely removing chat messages for XP should've been done already, as well as creating requirements to receive tips.
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October 12, 2014, 09:20:48 AM |
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Stunna has asked for ideas for level system, and didn't ask if the faucet should stay or not.
From my personal understanding on Stunna's post, he did ask for our opinions on removing the faucet system. I'm pondering the removal of the faucet more seriously now, the cost of it has significantly decreased but the incredible amount of support emails that center around the faucet itself or amounts under 0.0005 from faucet bettors along with a much larger userbase has decreased the quality of the support we can offer severely. Many argue that it must be removed as it lowers the quality of the chat and community as well.
What are the thoughts of everyone and if faucet is removed what should levels be used for?
Thanks
Yeah you are right, i misunderstood that message. Im sorry, and thanks for correcting me ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I still stand to my opinion, i would be happy if they can keep the faucet. I wish i could help somehow....
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October 12, 2014, 09:30:40 AM |
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How about volunteers for faucet issue related problems and a separate support email for faucet run by those volunteers. similar to mods for the chatroom. I really like the faucet and it gives me that extra motivation to make a deposit.
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October 12, 2014, 09:32:33 AM Last edit: October 12, 2014, 09:46:05 AM by MICRO |
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How about volunteers for faucet issue related problems and a separate support email for faucet run by those volunteers. similar to mods for the chatroom. I really like the faucet and it gives me that extra motivation to make a deposit.
People would still send emails to regular support email even if they would have dedicated email ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . But they could just have automated response when faucet is mentioned in email to say like : "Sorry we don't do support on faucet etc..." . Or have somebody to check for that emails mark them as read or reply, so support doesn't have to go through them. But i think we should give suggestions on removing faucet. Emails are not the only problem with it. There is also a big cost of running it. Maybe also give higher affiliate commission to higher level players.
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October 12, 2014, 09:46:22 AM |
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In my honest opinion, the faucet is more of a curse than a blessing. The amount of issues it has caused has been substantial, not just on the support email front but in chat too, and over such insignificant amounts. By adding a faucet it effectively brought in a new demographic of people in - not players - people in, and those are the people who spend 5 hours a day scavenging at faucet sites to bring home 0.0001 BTC each day. Why they do that? No idea, but to most of them PD is just another faucet site.
I'm not saying all faucet users are bad, I do use the faucet for some "yolo" bets (I guess) every once in a while and so do some others, but the problem with bringing in that demographic is that 75% of those people will throw a temper tantrum if they don't get their dust successfully. It is one of the peculiar phenomena created by the Bitcoin community.
With that in mind, here are my personal suggestions:
a) You could just remove faucet. There would probably be a loss in users but the vast majority of those users would just leech the faucet anyway;
b) Keep the faucet as a promotion which is activated and deactivated by admins; (Implement an admin command which flicks a Boolean which allows faucet to be claimed)
c) Make it so you unlock 1 faucet use every x amount wagered.
a) has obvious benefits.
b) will still have the same problems as before but it will be MUCH more manageable.
c) will still have some problems of people complaining but it will be more manageable and faucet farming/abusing will basically be eradicated.
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October 12, 2014, 09:47:51 AM |
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In my honest opinion, the faucet is more of a curse than a blessing. The amount of issues it has caused has been substantial, not just on the support email front but in chat too, and over such insignificant amounts. By adding a faucet it effectively brought in a new demographic of people in - not players - people in, and those are the people who spend 5 hours a day scavenging at faucet sites to bring home 0.0001 BTC each day. Why they do that? No idea, but to most of them PD is just another faucet site.
I'm not saying all faucet users are bad, I do use the faucet for some "yolo" bets (I guess) every once in a while and so do some others, but the problem with bringing in that demographic is that 75% of those people will throw a temper tantrum if they don't get their dust successfully. It is one of the peculiar phenomena created by the Bitcoin community.
With that in mind, here are my personal suggestions:
a) You could just remove faucet. There would probably be a loss in users but the vast majority of those users would just leech the faucet anyway;
b) Keep the faucet as a promotion which is activated and deactivated by admins; (Implement an admin command which flicks a Boolean which allows faucet to be claimed)
c) Make it so you unlock 1 faucet use every x amount wagered.
a) has obvious benefits.
b) will still have the same problems as before but it will be MUCH more manageable.
c) will still have some problems of people complaining but it will be more manageable and faucet farming/abusing will basically be eradicated.
Well as I said: ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I'm pondering the removal of the faucet more seriously now, the cost of it has significantly decreased but the incredible amount of support emails that center around the faucet itself or amounts under 0.0005 from faucet bettors along with a much larger userbase has decreased the quality of the support we can offer severely. Many argue that it must be removed as it lowers the quality of the chat and community as well.
What are the thoughts of everyone and if faucet is removed what should levels be used for?
Thanks
Well tbh removing it all completely would make the site no different from the rest. The level/faucet update was the main attraction for frequent gamblers. I agree it attracted too many free loaders but there could be a system placed to avoid non depositors abusing faucet or accounts that been sold purely for its faucet level. Few ideas: 1. Make a secondary balance on an account made for faucet plays. Make it only withdraw-able after getting to $x not x btc that way you dont lose a lot of cash if it is reached with a requirement of 1 BTC gambled to withdraw $x amount of faucet wins. Most would bust with greed if you raise it and add that requirement. 2. Another idea I emailed was adding offers to unlock faucet a few items a day as long as you played $x/Xbtc such day through your own deposit. Making the faucet random as well with chance to get higher amounts based on levels + total wagered, every time they win a high amount x LVLs is lost making so that people will HAVE TO DEPOSIT AND PLAY again to have better chance to obtain higher faucet. Basically like a reset. 3. Or simply make weekly levels that reset on Sunday. That way to obtain faucet whether random amounts or constant as it currently is is only obtainable if you actually deposit and play frequently.
I do admit incorporating such things might be a pain and a bit of cost but I think something like the last two ideas would benefit everyone. Completely removing chat messages for XP should've been done already, as well as creating requirements to receive tips.
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