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September 08, 2017, 08:37:17 PM
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We have disabled staking on the pool wallet. Hopefully the wallet now keeps online - keep on mining guys!

Next week i will look why blocks are only updated in batches for TZC. This is only cosmetical, no mining rewards are lost - but blocks are just shown later on the website.
збс ребята,пока на кошелёчке лежат монетки юзеров,они ими майнили.
Excellent. Grin I hope bitzure is also staking  Cheesy

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September 08, 2017, 08:38:32 PM
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Can you guys stop with russian in here please? I would really appreciate it.




minersleep=2000
stakemintime=72
stakecombine=40
stakesplit=80


Can you please explaion this configs, so i can actualy configure them the way i want, and everyone else here. And that we know what each represent and how it reflects in our staking?


What does minersleep?

What does stakemintime? Is it how long coins need to be in wallet to be considered for staking? Does higher value have any benefits compared to lower values?

What means and does stakecombine?

What mean and does stakesplit?


PoS in this coin have important role and noone cared to explain configs what they do.


Thank you!

https://github.com/TrezarCoin/TrezarCoin/blob/master/src/init.cpp

Its pointed out in this code, Iam setting up a FAQ but Iam not ready yet, just search with strg+f and type into what you wanna know.

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September 08, 2017, 08:39:06 PM
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Выше была простыня текста, как рассчитывается PoS. Монеты должны накапливать вес, так что их число в кошельке не показатель, ежедневного профита. Вес монет может копиться до 16 суток ( вроде ). Так же важна удача + сложность сети. Пока сложность низкая - нам "везет" чаще. Когда ребята с аукциона получат свои лямы, уже будет совсем другое дело Undecided
Это все понятно.
Вот только разраб нихрена не может ответить на простой вопрос как бл.дь считается этот "вес". Конкретно как - формула какая. Нехерачил переменных и не объясняет что они значат.
Если я minage 16дней зафигачу то что выйграю/потеряю?
А он с компашкой мне тут простынки орбиты кидает. Вся эта лабуда про сложность/удачу на кого рассчитана? Оно и так любому дураку должна быть понятна. Но неужели непонятно, что ничего нет сложного в формулу зарядить:
If minage <=24 то три буквы Вам. А если условно minage >72 то монетодни прям попрут (потому что каждую трехдневную зачтем за 100 однодневных). Но подобная формула имеет смысл только на старте, потом то уравняется все - все равно монеты старыми станут и разницы не будет особо видно.
Я не кодер - хрен знает где там чего искать.

P.S. Last post in russian, it's hard to say that in english.
From ORB coin:
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It can start staking after 1 day (from date/time of incoming transaction including previous PoS block). Not possible generate PoS for inputs < 1 day old.
But you can not say exactly how much time it will take to generate PoS after it.
It like classic PoW solomining with GPU:
- it depends on the current difficulty (which in turn depends on the amount and activity of the "competitors" - other miners)
- your mining power (but with PoS your mining power not megahashes of mining hardware but amount of coins-days you accumulate in your wallet)
- time which you spend at mining (but with PoS it is not time of GPU/ASIC work, but time while you running wallet online with "old" coins staking)
- your luck

Next formula not correct but for simplification of understanding:

amount of PoS blocks you will get = (mining/staking power) х (mining/staking time) / PoS difficulty  


Mining(staking) power usually called "weight" and counted in coin-days for each input transaction individually: (amount of coin in input) x (age - 1)
So inputs with age < 1 day have zero weight (formula gives negative values but program account all < 1 day inputs as 0 weight) and not staking at all.
For example incoming 25 ORB transaction 1 week old have weight = 25 х (7-1) = 150 coin-days, increasing continuously with time until generate PoS finally.
After successful PoS generation coin age reset to zero (so weight = 0 too) and process starts from beginning.
Maximum possible weight reached after 16 days, so maximum weight = input size x 15

But still it is not possible calculate time when individual input generate PoS - because it is a stochastic process and heavily dependent on luck (as a solo Mining): sometimes very "lucky" inputs generates PoS blocks only few hours after reaching minimum age (currently 1 days for ORB, initial value before hard-fork was 5 days) with weight only 1-5 coin-days, sometimes very "unlucky" transaction staking few weeks(growing up to weight of hundreds or even several thousands coin-days) before get PoS .

But if you have many inputs staking at same time process became more predictable (like with solomining: if you try solomine hight diff coin with single GPU - you can find block in first day if lucky but can not find any in few years if unlucky, but if you mine with huge mining farm or combine power of individual miners in pool you generate predictable average amount of blocks per day or week).

For example - i personally actively mining ORB PoS  blocks with wallet containing about ~ 15000 coins (sliced to 20-50 coins blocks, so i have few hundreds of inputs staking in parallel) - with current difficulty it generate > 30 PoS blocks each day.
So to be able generate about 1 block per hour (as average - it will vary) you will need about 10k-12k coins + time about 10-15 days (to accumulate average weight. First blocks will be on 6th day, but initially at very low rate ramping up slowly in next days in proportons of total weight accumulated)

But it true at current difficulty only - if diff goes up you get less blocks per day (with same amount of coins and accumulated weight) and vice versa because total amount of blocks(generated by all miners combined) per day is fixed
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September 08, 2017, 08:39:16 PM
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Can you guys stop with russian in here please? I would really appreciate it.
Sure, sorry. I guess we need start topic in Ru section Cheesy
 
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касаемо веса монеты. +1 день монете засчитывается в каком случае:
1)монета лежит сутки и кошелек с ней был онлайн.
2) кошелек был выключен,но монета на нем пролежала сутки.

в обоих же случаях ей добавляется вес?


Dev answered this question early, try find it.
Выше была простыня текста, как рассчитывается PoS. Монеты должны накапливать вес, так что их число в кошельке не показатель, ежедневного профита. Вес монет может копиться до 16 суток ( вроде ). Так же важна удача + сложность сети. Пока сложность низкая - нам "везет" чаще. Когда ребята с аукциона получат свои лямы, уже будет совсем другое дело Undecided
Это все понятно.
Вот только разраб нихрена не может ответить на простой вопрос как бл.дь считается этот "вес". Конкретно как - формула какая. Нехерачил переменных и не объясняет что они значат.
Если я minage 16дней зафигачу то что выйграю/потеряю?
А он с компашкой мне тут простынки орбиты кидает. Вся эта лабуда про сложность/удачу на кого рассчитана? Оно и так любому дураку должна быть понятна. Но неужели непонятно, что ничего нет сложного в формулу зарядить:
If minage <=24 то три буквы Вам. А если условно minage >72 то монетодни прям попрут (потому что каждую трехдневную зачтем за 100 однодневных). Но подобная формула имеет смысл только на старте, потом то уравняется все - все равно монеты старыми станут и разницы не будет особо видно.
Я не кодер - хрен знает где там чего искать.

P.S. Last post in russian, it's hard to say that in english.

Excellent. Grin I hope bitzure is also staking  Cheesy


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September 08, 2017, 08:52:19 PM
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So, anyone understood the formula.
All that I understood is that POS min age without conf file was set to 48 and not minimum 24, so that lucky "geniuses" could instamine POS (correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know C)

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if(fTestNet) {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 1);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    } else {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 48);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
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September 08, 2017, 08:57:31 PM
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So, anyone understood the formula.
All that I understood is that POS min age without conf file was set to 48 and not minimum 24, so that lucky "geniuses" could instamine POS (correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know C)

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if(fTestNet) {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 1);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    } else {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 48);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    }

You genius thats why I set StakeMinDepth=1000 in my config on the First Post

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September 08, 2017, 09:17:26 PM
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But what if someone wrote stakemintime = 2? He would stake faster then us on 24 or 48 hours and get more PoS coins?

And if you dont write depth, it will take time instead number of confirmations (1000), right?

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September 08, 2017, 09:24:30 PM
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But what if someone wrote stakemintime = 2? He would stake faster then us on 24 or 48 hours and get more PoS coins?

And if you dont write depth, it will take time instead number of confirmations (1000), right?

Min is 24h or stakemindepth = 1000

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September 08, 2017, 09:28:19 PM
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So, anyone understood the formula.
All that I understood is that POS min age without conf file was set to 48 and not minimum 24, so that lucky "geniuses" could instamine POS (correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know C)

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if(fTestNet) {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 1);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    } else {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 48);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    }

You genius thats why I set StakeMinDepth=1000 in my config on the First Post
And? What it has to do with the fact that with no conf ordinary people will get POS only after 48hours while you declare 1day (you didn't correct me so I assume that I'm right):
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coin age for PoS: 1 day min. to 16 days max.

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September 08, 2017, 09:42:28 PM
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So, anyone understood the formula.
All that I understood is that POS min age without conf file was set to 48 and not minimum 24, so that lucky "geniuses" could instamine POS (correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know C)

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if(fTestNet) {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 1);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    } else {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 48);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    }

You genius thats why I set StakeMinDepth=1000 in my config on the First Post
And? What it has to do with the fact that with no conf ordinary people will get POS only after 48hours while you declare 1day (you didn't correct me so I assume that I'm right):
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coin age for PoS: 1 day min. to 16 days max.


On the VERY FIRST post of this thread, where this whole thing was announced, was there also a config file setup that would have enabled POS at 24 hours?

If you agree that this information was released at the initial onset of this coin, then I fail to see where anyone has done anything wrong to anyone.
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September 08, 2017, 09:51:39 PM
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This coin is a SCAM!!!!

Being removed from minertopia pools. When a real Dev can make a coin that doesn't crash we will add it again. Good job lining your pockets Dev. Don't MINE this SCAM coin.


Coin is fine but there were a few hiccups. And a potential scammer on bounties.

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September 08, 2017, 09:51:46 PM
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But what if someone wrote stakemintime = 2? He would stake faster then us on 24 or 48 hours and get more PoS coins?

And if you dont write depth, it will take time instead number of confirmations (1000), right?

Min is 24h or stakemindepth = 1000


Well it's kinda shity to put configs that stakes slower and give disadvantage to begginer miners. While someone that know about this can reduce his staking to 24 hours then and stake 1 day earlier, then competition...

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September 08, 2017, 09:57:12 PM
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This coin is a SCAM!!!!

Being removed from minertopia pools. When a real Dev can make a coin that doesn't crash we will add it again. Good job lining your pockets Dev. Don't MINE this SCAM coin.

Ghostlander already provided a temp solution. Why are you that mad? Please use stakegen=0. If it still crashes please let us know the info of your debug.log

As already said, not all clients are crashing. Why would you call it a scam, cause the wallet crashed twice in the first 4 days of the coin launch?

Why do people nowadays instant yell its a scam if not everything works 100% perfect on launch? We had 2 crashs except that it works really well for a 4 day old coin.

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September 08, 2017, 10:07:53 PM
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This coin is a SCAM!!!!

Being removed from minertopia pools. When a real Dev can make a coin that doesn't crash we will add it again. Good job lining your pockets Dev. Don't MINE this SCAM coin.

Ghostlander already provided a temp solution. Why are you that mad? Please use stakegen=0. If it still crashes please let us know the info of your debug.log

As already said, not all clients are crashing. Why would you call it a scam, cause the wallet crashed twice in the first 4 days of the coin launch?

Why do people nowadays instant yell its a scam if not everything works 100% perfect on launch? We had 2 crashs except that it works really well for a 4 day old coin.

Why do devs who aren't devs clone coins and call themselves devs? It's called qa before a release.

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This coin is a SCAM!!!!

Being removed from minertopia pools. When a real Dev can make a coin that doesn't crash we will add it again. Good job lining your pockets Dev. Don't MINE this SCAM coin.

Ghostlander already provided a temp solution. Why are you that mad? Please use stakegen=0. If it still crashes please let us know the info of your debug.log

As already said, not all clients are crashing. Why would you call it a scam, cause the wallet crashed twice in the first 4 days of the coin launch?

Why do people nowadays instant yell its a scam if not everything works 100% perfect on launch? We had 2 crashs except that it works really well for a 4 day old coin.

Why do devs who aren't devs clone coins and call themselves devs? It's called qa before a release.

Ok proves that you have absolutely no clue, thanks for the conversation.

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I already love this coin. Even if that love is based primarily off the amount of fud and idiocy in the first 37 pages of launch.
Can't wait to see where this project goes.
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September 08, 2017, 10:26:33 PM
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This coin is a SCAM!!!!

Being removed from minertopia pools. When a real Dev can make a coin that doesn't crash we will add it again. Good job lining your pockets Dev. Don't MINE this SCAM coin.

Ghostlander already provided a temp solution. Why are you that mad? Please use stakegen=0. If it still crashes please let us know the info of your debug.log

As already said, not all clients are crashing. Why would you call it a scam, cause the wallet crashed twice in the first 4 days of the coin launch?

Why do people nowadays instant yell its a scam if not everything works 100% perfect on launch? We had 2 crashs except that it works really well for a 4 day old coin.

Why do devs who aren't devs clone coins and call themselves devs? It's called qa before a release.

Ok proves that you have absolutely no clue, thanks for the conversation.

Right that's why I've been doing this for a long time and run a community of over 600 miners.

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September 08, 2017, 10:34:25 PM
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This coin is a SCAM!!!!

Being removed from minertopia pools. When a real Dev can make a coin that doesn't crash we will add it again. Good job lining your pockets Dev. Don't MINE this SCAM coin.

Ghostlander already provided a temp solution. Why are you that mad? Please use stakegen=0. If it still crashes please let us know the info of your debug.log

As already said, not all clients are crashing. Why would you call it a scam, cause the wallet crashed twice in the first 4 days of the coin launch?

Why do people nowadays instant yell its a scam if not everything works 100% perfect on launch? We had 2 crashs except that it works really well for a 4 day old coin.

Why do devs who aren't devs clone coins and call themselves devs? It's called qa before a release.

Ok proves that you have absolutely no clue, thanks for the conversation.

Right that's why I've been doing this for a long time and run a community of over 600 miners.
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Why u are so mad? This coin not worth ANYTHING for now, it's fork of ORB, and ORB are not good coin Cheesy C'mon dude, stop it. I mine it for fun  Grin and maybe somday TZC add to nova a somthing and we dump all !
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September 08, 2017, 10:47:25 PM
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This coin is a SCAM!!!!

Being removed from minertopia pools. When a real Dev can make a coin that doesn't crash we will add it again. Good job lining your pockets Dev. Don't MINE this SCAM coin.

Ghostlander already provided a temp solution. Why are you that mad? Please use stakegen=0. If it still crashes please let us know the info of your debug.log

As already said, not all clients are crashing. Why would you call it a scam, cause the wallet crashed twice in the first 4 days of the coin launch?

Why do people nowadays instant yell its a scam if not everything works 100% perfect on launch? We had 2 crashs except that it works really well for a 4 day old coin.

Why do devs who aren't devs clone coins and call themselves devs? It's called qa before a release.

Ok proves that you have absolutely no clue, thanks for the conversation.

Right that's why I've been doing this for a long time and run a community of over 600 miners.
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Why u are so mad? This coin not worth ANYTHING for now, it's fork of ORB, and ORB are not good coin Cheesy C'mon dude, stop it. I mine it for fun  Grin and maybe somday TZC add to nova a somthing and we dump all !

Slack.minertopia.org try again.

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September 08, 2017, 11:18:29 PM
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This coin is a SCAM!!!!

Being removed from minertopia pools. When a real Dev can make a coin that doesn't crash we will add it again. Good job lining your pockets Dev. Don't MINE this SCAM coin.

lol what is this? what kind of a reaction is it to call something a scam because there's a bug... good lord people these days..

really didn't do the reputation of yourself or your pool any favors with comments like this.  There's been nothing to indicate a scam is what's going on here, everything is pretty legit so far.

Software gets bugs sometimes, especially in its first week of existence..  Please grow up.

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