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December 26, 2019, 03:24:23 PM
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Is this still a requirement for PODC?

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/viewDataSharing.action

In the "Data Sharing" tab >>> you have to click "Display my data" >>> Save

Yes, I remember testing this, and we did need to do it, so I added it to the helpful hints here:

   e.push_back(Pair("Step 1", "Log into your WCG account at 'worldcommunitygrid.org' with your WCG E-mail address and WCG password."));
   e.push_back(Pair("Step 2", "Click Settings | My Profile.  Record your 'Username' and 'Verification Code' and your 'CPID' (Cross-Project-ID)."));
   e.push_back(Pair("Step 3", "Click Settings | Data Sharing.  Ensure the 'Display my Data' radio button is selected.  Click Save. "));
   e.push_back(Pair("Step 4", "Click My Contribution | My Team.  If you are not part of Team 'BiblePay' click Join Team | Search | BiblePay | Select BiblePay | Click Join Team | Save."));
   e.push_back(Pair("Step 5", "NOTE: After choosing your team, and starting your research, please give WCG 24 hours for the CPID to propagate into BBP.  In the mean time you can start Boinc research - and ensure the computer is performing WCG tasks. "));
   e.push_back(Pair("Step 6", "From our RPC console, type, exec associate your_username your_verification_code"));
   e.push_back(Pair("Step 7", "Wait for 5 blocks to pass.  Then type 'exec rac' again, and see if you are linked!  "));
   e.push_back(Pair("Step 8", "Once you are linked you will receive daily rewards.  Please read about our minimum stake requirements per RAC here: wiki.biblepay.org/PODC"));


Although, I just found a very minor bug.  We dont print the helpful hints in 'exec rac' (unless they don't have an associated cpid and we think we need to).  So this will be fixed in the next version.


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December 26, 2019, 03:25:50 PM
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Thanks Togo. Giving that a try now.
Looking at our 4 dns servers, I see the problem, apparently when we switched to dynamic ports, we no longer listen on 40,000 by default in these core nodes.

I just updated all 4 to use the 40,000 default ports.  Please try now.

Also please ensure your system time is correct.



Nothing changed over night. Just restarted the client but nothing yet. I will check back when the family is done with opening gifts.

This can be fixed in minutes...
We just need you to confirm that your system time and timezone is correct, and post your IP, and then I can check the DNS1 log and unban you.
Or you can add an addnode like they suggested.

DNS1-4 is working.


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I was on GridCoin (GRC) per your test request. Now, I joined back to BiblePay less than 8 hours ago. Shouldn't team still worked since GridCoin is whitelisted?

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06:35:42 exec associate sunk818 code

06:35:43 Sorry, we found you as a researcher in WCG, but we were unable to locate you on the team.  Please join team BiblePay to proceed.  Please type 'exec rac' to see more helpful hints.  NOTE:  You may check back again once every 12 hours to see if you are on the team.  (code -1)

06:35:53 exec rac

06:35:53 
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  "Command": "rac",
  "Error": "Not Linked.  First, you must link your researcher CPID in the chain using 'exec associate'.",
  "Step 1": "Log into your WCG account at 'worldcommunitygrid.org' with your WCG E-mail address and WCG password.",
  "Step 2": "Click Settings | My Profile.  Record your 'Username' and 'Verification Code' and your 'CPID' (Cross-Project-ID).",
  "Step 3": "Click Settings | Data Sharing.  Ensure the 'Display my Data' radio button is selected.  Click Save. ",
  "Step 4": "Click My Contribution | My Team.  If you are not part of Team 'BiblePay' click Join Team | Search | BiblePay | Select BiblePay | Click Join Team | Save.",
  "Step 5": "NOTE: After choosing your team, and starting your research, please give WCG 24 hours for the CPID to propagate into BBP.  In the mean time you can start Boinc research - and ensure the computer is performing WCG tasks. ",
  "Step 6": "From our RPC console, type, exec associate your_username your_verification_code",
  "Step 7": "Wait for 5 blocks to pass.  Then type 'exec rac' again, and see if you are linked!  ",
  "Step 8": "Once you are linked you will receive daily rewards.  Please read about our minimum stake requirements per RAC here: wiki.biblepay.org/PODC"
}

GRC is now just like any non-BBP team (higher escrow reqs per day).  The problem here is in the emitted message about "unable to locate you on the team.".  That is deceiving and wrong.  I replaced the message with a new message :
      std::string sErr = "Sorry, we found you as a researcher in WCG, but we were unable to locate you on the team.  "
                "You may still participate but the daily escrow requirements are higher for non BiblePay researchers. ";
   
This will be out in the next version.

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December 26, 2019, 03:42:31 PM
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The goal is not to ensure the payment in bbp covers your obligations.  The goal is for POOM to partially pay you back for sponsoring orphans.

When I first started sponsoring CameroonONE children, the payout  was initially $1.33 USD per day per child assuming 30 days ($39.99). Lately, it was closer to $1/day per child. Now, with the change, it is closer to $0.50 ... more like 40% of the obligation back. Still better than nothing, but it has fallen off dramatically. Hopefully, the PoDC reward can fill the gap and allow this to be sustainable.

I hope you did not take on too many children that you really did not intend to sponsor in the last round. Obviously with our low price, we are not going to be able to recoup the actual expenses.  It might be better if you pay Cameroon with your paypal and look at BiblePay as a stipend for hopeful growth later..

We will see. I am not a financial nor BBP whale, so my intention was to use BBP to sponsor the orphan. It sounds like you don't want BBP used to sponsor children due to the low price and sell pressure. Does BiblePay need to exist if you're suggesting we use fiat? Or this an admission that orphan sponsorship using BBP is not sustainable? Are you concerned BiblePay will not survive the low price?

By the way, stipend is not a good word choice: a fixed regular sum paid as a salary or allowance. The BBP received is neither a salary nor an allowance. The BBP is from a pool where the payment varies based on the number of orphans sponsored.

Regarding the question of what did I do to enable Cameroon-one, nothing.  We are mostly decentralized (yes I know we have some things we still need to improve, like fully decentralizing orphans).  But I explained it takes 3 confirms for your join command to be seen by the other nodes.  I didnt do anything.

Okay, it sounds like I had to just rejoin cameroon-one campaign again. I wasn't expecting having to rejoin all the campaigns again since listchildren command worked. It seems there was no transition for existing campaign members going from 1.4.5.3 to 1.4.8.4. Not a big deal since it is a one-time thing... just seems to be a negative recurring pattern. Even helping on TestNet, I had a difficult time keeping up with all the changes.

What a squirrely argument.  You know enough about mining to know we always set up a cap in competetive project (actually I remember you being part of the conversation) to help set up the cap.  Now you are complaining that you accidentally have to dip into your own bank account to sponsor the orphans you cognizently signed up for.

I said stipend because its more of a daily stipend.  You get a fixed daily amount for the orphan and due to competition, the stipend does not cover the actual total.

If you want to be part of this intelligent conversation you have to be honest Sun. 





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December 26, 2019, 04:16:02 PM
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** CAMEROON ONE CHRISTMAS PARTY hosted by BiblePay **

These are from the party Sun organized!  What a wonderful time.  Todd applied for access to post more on bitcointalk.

http://san.biblepay.org/Mission/Cameroon/party20191.jpeg
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added to wcg party again,

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If you want to be part of this intelligent conversation you have to be honest Sun.

Okay, you're right. We added many kids very quickly and pay out per child crashed. Fair enough. The economics is right. I'll shore up the difference and use up whatever BBP I have in my wallet. I rather go to 0 and support the orphans as long as I can.

64 CameroonONE children @ $40 = $2,560
21 Kairos kids @ $25 = $525

At current prices, $3085 % 0.00012840 BBP/USD requires 24M BBP.

Is CameroonONE not selling their BBP since Oct 26, 2019? They have a balance of almost 30M BBP.

Should they be selling their BBP on the market every month?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/address.dws?BHRiFZYUpHj2r3gxw7pHyvByTUk1dGb8vz.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/address.dws?B4rwnBcrcr8pqHFFz9oXRcmXEy8g1bZjTV.htm

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Is anyone else getting inconsistent leaderboard display?

The PoDC 2.0 WCG participants sometimes show up and sometimes not.

Just shows CAMEROON-ONE and HEALING campaign only sometimes...

Then after a few blocks, the PoDC 2.0 participants come back in.

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Jaap mentioned the pools legacy faucet is a little hard to understand, but I want to point out, the 'cpid faucet' is also the difference between receiving 100-900 bbp in contrast to receiving 1 bbp (from the plain vanilla faucets).  So I think the incoming podc researcher will 'get it' if we add more docs for it.  

I will work on porting the faucet to web.biblepay.org - adding to my todo list now.  


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I've upgraded my sanctuaries to the latest wallet version (1.4.8.4.) and cleaned them as per Togo's guide. Everything seems to be working fine, but I can't seem to vote.

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Voting failed! Failed to vote 0 time(s). (Check that sanctuaries are DIP3? Also you must wait 3 minutes in-between re-votes due to network rules.)

They are in the DIP3 list and I've been getting rewards consistently. Both controller wallet and sanctuary wallets are on the same chain, and they are not on a fork as far as I can tell...



Can you please post the voting command including the id you are using, as I voted manually for Togos proposal and it worked but I did it from the rpc.



I tried to vote using the GUI. I can't remember the command to pull all the Proposal ID's, and I don't know if I can copy them from the GUI proposal tab  Lips sealed So I can't try it from the rpc for now. How can I find a list of all the current Proposal ID's that I can copy/paste so I can try it from the rpc? There used to be an overview of all the proposals on pool.biblepay.org right?

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December 26, 2019, 04:37:06 PM
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If you want to be part of this intelligent conversation you have to be honest Sun.

Okay, you're right. We added many kids very quickly and pay out per child crashed. Fair enough. The economics is right. I'll shore up the difference and use up whatever BBP I have in my wallet. I rather go to 0 and support the orphans as long as I can.

64 CameroonONE children @ $40 = $2,560
21 Kairos kids @ $25 = $525

At current prices, $3085 % 0.00012840 BBP/USD requires 24M BBP.

Is CameroonONE not selling their BBP since Oct 26, 2019? They have a balance of almost 30M BBP.

Should they be selling their BBP on the market every month?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/address.dws?BHRiFZYUpHj2r3gxw7pHyvByTUk1dGb8vz.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/address.dws?B4rwnBcrcr8pqHFFz9oXRcmXEy8g1bZjTV.htm

Thanks for meeting me halfway Sun, and I apologize for being rough around the edges sometimes.

The constant sell pressure is bad.  On one hand, we wanted new charitable people from the outside (like Donald Trump etc) to sponsor orphans with their credit card through paypal.  Then we give them Biblepay, and that keeps the sell pressure off.

But of course with reality kicking in, and the ease of using the poom payments feature, in reality we pay every month with BBP (partially to make BBP a useful currency).

So yes its a conundrum and there really is no easy answer, short of mass adoption and appealing to those who already have a budget to pay for the orphan via Fiat...


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Jaap mentioned the pools legacy faucet is a little hard to understand, but I want to point out, the 'cpid faucet' is also the difference between receiving 100-900 bbp in contrast to receiving 1 bbp (from the plain vanilla faucets).  So I think the incoming podc researcher will 'get it' if we add more docs for it.  

I will work on porting the faucet to web.biblepay.org - adding to my todo list now.  



I just meant it in light of the guide that I reviewed for Togo. So I don't think it's too hard to understand in general, just that in the context of the guide for newcomers it needs more clarification in the guide itself Smiley So indeed, if Togo's guide had more explanation concerning the faucet, I don't see any problem with it Smiley

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Is anyone else getting inconsistent leaderboard display?

The PoDC 2.0 WCG participants sometimes show up and sometimes not.

Just shows CAMEROON-ONE and HEALING campaign only sometimes...

Then after a few blocks, the PoDC 2.0 participants come back in.

I think I know what is happening (as I got to reproduce it once).  Fortunately it appears this is minor (and not a problem with PODC 2.0) .  Please try rebooting and tell me if it is fixed?

I believe we make a call every 50 blocks or so and may possibly reset a vector; but I will check that in more detail after you confirm a reboot fixes it.
Note that it does auto recover 4 hours later; but it is a nuisance for the display.


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ORBIS

ako funguje to sponzorstvo deti?  da sa to aj dodatocne spustit?



@sunk  any idea how working sponsoring of children? thx

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I've upgraded my sanctuaries to the latest wallet version (1.4.8.4.) and cleaned them as per Togo's guide. Everything seems to be working fine, but I can't seem to vote.

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Voting failed! Failed to vote 0 time(s). (Check that sanctuaries are DIP3? Also you must wait 3 minutes in-between re-votes due to network rules.)

They are in the DIP3 list and I've been getting rewards consistently. Both controller wallet and sanctuary wallets are on the same chain, and they are not on a fork as far as I can tell...



Can you please post the voting command including the id you are using, as I voted manually for Togos proposal and it worked but I did it from the rpc.



I tried to vote using the GUI. I can't remember the command to pull all the Proposal ID's, and I don't know if I can copy them from the GUI proposal tab  Lips sealed So I can't try it from the rpc for now. How can I find a list of all the current Proposal ID's that I can copy/paste so I can try it from the rpc? There used to be an overview of all the proposals on pool.biblepay.org right?

Ok yes cause I would like to try to reproduce with one that actually throws the gov exception error, so one way, is to type:
gobject list all proposals

Could you try voting on the woocommerce one?  98e09d657fb771f1559ab046af76d295ebde16f563d35ff9bc95ff738ae725f7

gobject vote-many objid funding yes

And let me know if successful and also, then try voting on the one you tried earlier and paste the vote string so I can reproduce?

Note that we have not passed the mandatory height yet, but thats another topic (partially related though).


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added to wcg party again,

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Its a good start!



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I've upgraded my sanctuaries to the latest wallet version (1.4.8.4.) and cleaned them as per Togo's guide. Everything seems to be working fine, but I can't seem to vote.

Code:
Voting failed! Failed to vote 0 time(s). (Check that sanctuaries are DIP3? Also you must wait 3 minutes in-between re-votes due to network rules.)

They are in the DIP3 list and I've been getting rewards consistently. Both controller wallet and sanctuary wallets are on the same chain, and they are not on a fork as far as I can tell...



Can you please post the voting command including the id you are using, as I voted manually for Togos proposal and it worked but I did it from the rpc.



I tried to vote using the GUI. I can't remember the command to pull all the Proposal ID's, and I don't know if I can copy them from the GUI proposal tab  Lips sealed So I can't try it from the rpc for now. How can I find a list of all the current Proposal ID's that I can copy/paste so I can try it from the rpc? There used to be an overview of all the proposals on pool.biblepay.org right?

Ok yes cause I would like to try to reproduce with one that actually throws the gov exception error, so one way, is to type:
gobject list all proposals

Could you try voting on the woocommerce one?  98e09d657fb771f1559ab046af76d295ebde16f563d35ff9bc95ff738ae725f7

gobject vote-many objid funding yes

And let me know if successful and also, then try voting on the one you tried earlier and paste the vote string so I can reproduce?

Note that we have not passed the mandatory height yet, but thats another topic (partially related though).



Yeah, we removed the proposal list from pool.biblepay in favor of the decentralized one in the qt wallet, now you can click on the left pane:  Proposals to see them, and you can right click on one to vote on them.

Bhavani is working on the Expense Summary page for those, but the project has been delayed due to family sickness.


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December 26, 2019, 04:53:31 PM
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If you want to be part of this intelligent conversation you have to be honest Sun.

Okay, you're right. We added many kids very quickly and pay out per child crashed. Fair enough. The economics is right. I'll shore up the difference and use up whatever BBP I have in my wallet. I rather go to 0 and support the orphans as long as I can.

64 CameroonONE children @ $40 = $2,560
21 Kairos kids @ $25 = $525

At current prices, $3085 % 0.00012840 BBP/USD requires 24M BBP.

Is CameroonONE not selling their BBP since Oct 26, 2019? They have a balance of almost 30M BBP.

Should they be selling their BBP on the market every month?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/address.dws?BHRiFZYUpHj2r3gxw7pHyvByTUk1dGb8vz.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/address.dws?B4rwnBcrcr8pqHFFz9oXRcmXEy8g1bZjTV.htm

Thanks for meeting me halfway Sun, and I apologize for being rough around the edges sometimes.

The constant sell pressure is bad.  On one hand, we wanted new charitable people from the outside (like Donald Trump etc) to sponsor orphans with their credit card through paypal.  Then we give them Biblepay, and that keeps the sell pressure off.

But of course with reality kicking in, and the ease of using the poom payments feature, in reality we pay every month with BBP (partially to make BBP a useful currency).

So yes its a conundrum and there really is no easy answer, short of mass adoption and appealing to those who already have a budget to pay for the orphan via Fiat...



Let me check into the increasing balance, thanks for raising the concern.


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I've upgraded my sanctuaries to the latest wallet version (1.4.8.4.) and cleaned them as per Togo's guide. Everything seems to be working fine, but I can't seem to vote.

Code:
Voting failed! Failed to vote 0 time(s). (Check that sanctuaries are DIP3? Also you must wait 3 minutes in-between re-votes due to network rules.)

They are in the DIP3 list and I've been getting rewards consistently. Both controller wallet and sanctuary wallets are on the same chain, and they are not on a fork as far as I can tell...



Can you please post the voting command including the id you are using, as I voted manually for Togos proposal and it worked but I did it from the rpc.



I tried to vote using the GUI. I can't remember the command to pull all the Proposal ID's, and I don't know if I can copy them from the GUI proposal tab  Lips sealed So I can't try it from the rpc for now. How can I find a list of all the current Proposal ID's that I can copy/paste so I can try it from the rpc? There used to be an overview of all the proposals on pool.biblepay.org right?

Ok yes cause I would like to try to reproduce with one that actually throws the gov exception error, so one way, is to type:
gobject list all proposals

Could you try voting on the woocommerce one?  98e09d657fb771f1559ab046af76d295ebde16f563d35ff9bc95ff738ae725f7

gobject vote-many objid funding yes

And let me know if successful and also, then try voting on the one you tried earlier and paste the vote string so I can reproduce?

Note that we have not passed the mandatory height yet, but thats another topic (partially related though).



Yes, it's working fine manually from the rpc Smiley

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17:46:33

gobject vote-many 98e09d657fb771f1559ab046af76d295ebde16f563d35ff9bc95ff738ae725f7 funding yes


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  "overall": "Voted successfully X time(s) and failed 0 time(s).",


From the GUI I tried voting for all the proposals that are currently in the 'Proposals' list, and they all got the same error I mentioned before.


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December 26, 2019, 04:57:59 PM
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If you want to be part of this intelligent conversation you have to be honest Sun.

Okay, you're right. We added many kids very quickly and pay out per child crashed. Fair enough. The economics is right. I'll shore up the difference and use up whatever BBP I have in my wallet. I rather go to 0 and support the orphans as long as I can.

64 CameroonONE children @ $40 = $2,560
21 Kairos kids @ $25 = $525

At current prices, $3085 % 0.00012840 BBP/USD requires 24M BBP.

Is CameroonONE not selling their BBP since Oct 26, 2019? They have a balance of almost 30M BBP.

Should they be selling their BBP on the market every month?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/address.dws?BHRiFZYUpHj2r3gxw7pHyvByTUk1dGb8vz.htm
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bbp/address.dws?B4rwnBcrcr8pqHFFz9oXRcmXEy8g1bZjTV.htm

Thanks for meeting me halfway Sun, and I apologize for being rough around the edges sometimes.

The constant sell pressure is bad.  On one hand, we wanted new charitable people from the outside (like Donald Trump etc) to sponsor orphans with their credit card through paypal.  Then we give them Biblepay, and that keeps the sell pressure off.

But of course with reality kicking in, and the ease of using the poom payments feature, in reality we pay every month with BBP (partially to make BBP a useful currency).

So yes its a conundrum and there really is no easy answer, short of mass adoption and appealing to those who already have a budget to pay for the orphan via Fiat...



Let me check into the increasing balance, thanks for raising the concern.



Sun, I looked at those two balances and they appear to be close to zero.  I see they have sold all their holdings at cameroon one.


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