[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

[klee]

A Google spreadsheet, is that how Twitter manage their new shareholder list? We are trying to raise standards here.

We still hold the vast majority of our IPVO funds in BTC, we will be producing a financial update in the not so distance future.

Hey Danny I am an ECDL/MOS expert, if you need me please PM lol

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A Google spreadsheet, is that how Twitter manage their new shareholder list? We are trying to raise standards here.

We still hold the vast majority of our IPVO funds in BTC, we will be producing a financial update in the not so distance future.

At the risk of sounding disrespectful, Twitter is trading on NYSE, with all the associated standards, oversights & regulations.

You have raised your money on an internet forum by selling unregistered securities with an "IPVO," a concept you have coined for the occasion.

Yes, using Google Docs is a laughable way of maintaining transparency for a financial institution.  Having no contingency plans or means in place to maintain said transparency is more laughable still.

[cryptocyprus]

A Google spreadsheet, is that how Twitter manage their new shareholder list? We are trying to raise standards here.

We still hold the vast majority of our IPVO funds in BTC, we will be producing a financial update in the not so distance future.

At the risk of sounding disrespectful, Twitter is trading on NYSE, with all the associated standards, oversights & regulations.

You have raised your money on an internet forum by selling unregistered securities with an "IPVO," a concept you have coined for the occasion.

Yes, using Google Docs is a laughable way of maintaining transparency for a financial institution.  Having no contingency plans or means in place to maintain said transparency is more laughable still.

I only used the Twitter case as a reference, to demonstrate that for Bitcoin to be taken seriously, some standards need to be made higher.

We have merely tried to raise standards and continue to do so. The laws are pretty clear here in Europe, if you do not transact with Government issued currency and everything is transacted within crypto-currency then there is no regulations, all of the problems have arisen from draconian practices and concerns in the US. Yesterday I had a 2 and a half hour meeting with lawyers heavily involved with CySEC and they understand the innovation happens before the regulatory framework can be created, as previously released we have been investigating launching a regulated securities exchange platform, coupled with the progress made by Havelock, the crypto related securities market has a much brighter future, with higher standards which will stand to benefit investors more than anyone else.

In a nut shell, we achieved our goals and enabled members of the Bitcoin economy have a piece of the profits, with the tools we had available to us at the time.

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A Google spreadsheet, is that how Twitter manage their new shareholder list? We are trying to raise standards here.

We still hold the vast majority of our IPVO funds in BTC, we will be producing a financial update in the not so distance future.

At the risk of sounding disrespectful, Twitter is trading on NYSE, with all the associated standards, oversights & regulations.

You have raised your money on an internet forum by selling unregistered securities with an "IPVO," a concept you have coined for the occasion.

Yes, using Google Docs is a laughable way of maintaining transparency for a financial institution.  Having no contingency plans or means in place to maintain said transparency is more laughable still.

I only used the Twitter case as a reference, to demonstrate that for Bitcoin to be taken seriously, some standards need to be made higher.

We have merely tried to raise standards and continue to do so. The laws are pretty clear here in Europe, if you do not transact with Government issued currency and everything is transacted within crypto-currency then there is no regulations, all of the problems have arisen from draconian practices and concerns in the US. Yesterday I had a 2 and a half hour meeting with lawyers heavily involved with CySEC and they understand the innovation happens before the regulatory framework can be created, as previously released we have been investigating launching a regulated securities exchange platform, coupled with the progress made by Havelock, the crypto related securities market has a much brighter future, with higher standards which will stand to benefit investors more than anyone else.

In a nut shell, we achieved our goals and enabled members of the Bitcoin economy have a piece of the profits, with the tools we had available to us at the time.

Denying your investors the rudimentary trappings of transparency is not the first thing which comes to mind when i think of raising standards.
Comparing Neo & Bee to Twitter, a company traded on NYSE, serves only to highlight the lack of your company's transparency.

Your claim of working with CySEC, for instance, is unverifiable, as are the meetings with lawyers which you use to illustrate your compliance with international law.  Regarding the latter:  Offering unregistered securities to US persons runs afoul of US law, and is subject to SEC intervention.  Suggesting otherwise is misleading.

Your involvement with Havelock & The Panama Fund, S.E., while claiming audits by KPMG, particularly piqued my interest.  I'm assuming that you are a businessman & understand just  what The Panama Fund is.

As far as Neo & Bee becoming a part of the brighter future of bitcoin securities market?  A perfectly achievable goal, if losses to your investors prove to be below ~75% -- the current de facto standard.

[velacreations]

Denying your investors the rudimentary trappings of transparency is not the first thing which comes to mind when i think of raising standards.
Comparing Neo & Bee to Twitter, a company traded on NYSE, serves only to highlight the lack of your company's transparency.

this right here.

saying a google doc is below you is fine, but the fact is, you don't EVEN HAVE A GOOGLE DOC.  You can talk about raising standards all you want, but you fail to have the minimum.  You don't even meet the crappy standards we already have.

If you want to list on a real exchange and provide real stock certificates and comply with the rules and regulations that Twitter does, then you don't need a google doc shareholder list.  Let us know when you will be doing that, ok?

But, the fact is, you are not doing any of those things.  You listed on 2 exchanges that failed within a month of you listing there and then push your shareholders to the last remaining exchange, where they await its closure.  You have had ample time to come up with a real solution, even a rudimentary one, like a google spreadsheet.  But, we learn, you can't even do that, and you see basic transparency as being beneath you.  

It's just too hard to be transparent and take care of your shareholders, isn't it?
(but not too hard to take their money)

[gannicus]

Instead of arguing about how will this direct shares platform will work it would be nicer to know first the procedures into migrating to either this one or Havelock.

[cryptocyprus]

Pages ago it was established that we do have internal shareholder lists......The BitFunder list is public data.

The individual instructions will be provided through Havelock, BitFunder and here online once the final testing has been completed on the platform.

[ThickAsThieves]

For anyone that is still on Bitfunder.com that wishes to use their free migration to go to HavelockInvestments.com (NOT the direct management system), please use these instructions for now:

NEOBEE Bitfunder > Havelock Migration

We are enabling each Bitfunder shareholder ONE free migration.

The following limitations apply:
1. You must initiate this migration request before December 1, 2013.
2. Due to a massive amount of requests, your migration might take anywhere from 1-4 days to process.
3. Beginning On December. 1st, all remaining Bitfunder NEOBEE holders will be converted to direct-share management, registered under their public Bitfunder wallet address.
4. We can make no guarantees that Bitfunder or Havelock will not impose additional limitations on trading in the future.

 How to Transfer Shares:
 1. Make the subject of your email: NEOBEE BF
 2. Push the amount of shares to the issuer account on Bitfunder: NeoBee (Use the Transfer function in Bitfunder.com)
 3. Send an e-mail to tat.investments@gmail.com from your account email address registered with HavelockInvestments.com and include the following info:
  - Bitfunder account name (not email),
  - Bitfunder public wallet address
  - Quantity of shares
  - Havelock registered email address

Do NOT send your request more than once, and do NOT include other requests, questions or comments.

Transfers will be made in batches, and confirmations will ONLY be sent after each batch. Do NOT send emails requesting updates.

NOTE: TAT Investments is not responsible for any lost value, arbitrage, or trading opportunities due to delays in processing transfer requests. TAT Investments is not responsible for any limitations or discontinuations of services or access to liquidity imposed by the host exchanges.

[LighningChun]

this is good

[KSV]

For anyone that is still on Bitfunder.com that wishes to use their free migration to go to HavelockInvestments.com (NOT the direct management system), please use these instructions for now:

NEOBEE Bitfunder > Havelock Migration

We are enabling each Bitfunder shareholder ONE free migration.

The following limitations apply:
1. You must initiate this migration request before December 1, 2013.
2. Due to a massive amount of requests, your migration might take anywhere from 1-4 days to process.
3. Beginning On December. 1st, all remaining Bitfunder NEOBEE holders will be converted to direct-share management, registered under their public Bitfunder wallet address.
4. We can make no guarantees that Bitfunder or Havelock will not impose additional limitations on trading in the future.

 How to Transfer Shares:
 1. Make the subject of your email: NEOBEE BF
 2. Push the amount of shares to the issuer account on Bitfunder: NeoBee
 3. Send an e-mail to tat.investments@gmail.com from your account email address registered with HavelockInvestments.com and include the following info:
  - Bitfunder account name (not email),
  - Bitfunder public wallet address
  - Quantity of shares
  - Havelock registered email address

Do NOT send your request more than once, and do NOT include other requests, questions or comments.

Transfers will be made in batches, and confirmations will ONLY be sent after each batch. Do NOT send emails requesting updates.

NOTE: TAT Investments is not responsible for any lost value, arbitrage, or trading opportunities due to delays in processing transfer requests. TAT Investments is not responsible for any limitations or discontinuations of services or access to liquidity imposed by the host exchanges.

thanks, done as requested.

[Fabrizio89]

If bitcoin continues at this rate and goes to $500-$1000 before neobee opens, this could cause IPO dividend payback to take forever. Since they would need multitudes more fiat coming in to cover the 0035/share. Is there any danger to the business in this case?

It can't continue to rise at this rate for much longer, if it happens expect a major correction. Imho it is very likely that its value will float around $500-700 for May 2014, but we know everything can happen in this still very young economy.

I hope they locked in some fiat. We will see a cautious recovery later and in the next few days probably the trend will continue.

[zumzero]

I have shares on BF and am unsure about what to do with them.

Could any kind soul briefly run through the pros and cons of transferring to Havelock or keeping on BF?

Thankyou.

[gannicus]

I have shares on BF and am unsure about what to do with them.

Could any kind soul briefly run through the pros and cons of transferring to Havelock or keeping on BF?

Thankyou.

Basically by keeping them on BF (and making them go to the direct exchange platform) will make you unable, at least while this platform is not fully developed, to trade them. You will own shares, you can "look" at them, but you can not directly trade them - if you want to sell them, you will either need a escrow or trust the buyer/seller (or make him trust you). Remember that this is temporary, but we do not know how long it will take. By transfering them to Havelock your risks are that Havelock also closes its services in the future, which according to them seems to be unlikely since they are "following the rules" and that the stock price in Havelock becomes substantialy different from the stock price in the direct exchange once its on.

[ThickAsThieves]

I have shares on BF and am unsure about what to do with them.

Could any kind soul briefly run through the pros and cons of transferring to Havelock or keeping on BF?

Thankyou.

Basically by keeping them on BF (and making them go to the direct exchange platform) will make you unable, at least while this platform is not fully developed, to trade them. You will own shares, you can "look" at them, but you can not directly trade them - if you want to sell them, you will either need a escrow or trust the buyer/seller (or make him trust you). Remember that this is temporary, but we do not know how long it will take. By transfering them to Havelock your risks are that Havelock also closes its services in the future, which according to them seems to be unlikely since they are "following the rules" and that the stock price in Havelock becomes substantially different from the stock price in the direct exchange once its on.

Please note that the direct-share management system will probably never have the ability to sell shares directly. It's not meant to be an exchange service (that's what exchanges are for). Your post implies it is inevitable, but, to my knowledge, that is not the case.

Also note that shareholder lists for both Havelock and the direct management system are backed up by TATI and the respective providers, meaning that your registered ownership is always stored by multiple parties, regardless of the host.

I'm not sure what your point was about the price, but right now the only price indicators are Havelock and OTC auctions, and there is not enough data from OTC auctions to say whether the Havelock price is substantially different than any other price.

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

Also note that shareholder lists for both Havelock and the direct management system are backed up by TATI and the respective providers, meaning that your registered ownership is always stored by multiple parties, regardless of the host.

TAT, regards the shareholder list from Havelock, what is in that file in column "share owner"? e-mail address?

[ThickAsThieves]

Also note that shareholder lists for both Havelock and the direct management system are backed up by TATI and the respective providers, meaning that your registered ownership is always stored by multiple parties, regardless of the host.

TAT, regards the shareholder list from Havelock, what is in that file in column "share owner"? e-mail address?

E-mail & count are tracked. We are working with Havelock to add a "failsafe" wallet address feature as well (like BTCT had).

[ffssixtynine]

Also note that shareholder lists for both Havelock and the direct management system are backed up by TATI and the respective providers, meaning that your registered ownership is always stored by multiple parties, regardless of the host.

TAT, regards the shareholder list from Havelock, what is in that file in column "share owner"? e-mail address?

E-mail & count are tracked. We are working with Havelock to add a "failsafe" wallet address feature as well (like BTCT had).

Bit of an aside, but Havelock is severely lacking in security features to protect trades and withdrawals. In general, it's just lacking features in fact.

[ThickAsThieves]

Also note that shareholder lists for both Havelock and the direct management system are backed up by TATI and the respective providers, meaning that your registered ownership is always stored by multiple parties, regardless of the host.

TAT, regards the shareholder list from Havelock, what is in that file in column "share owner"? e-mail address?

E-mail & count are tracked. We are working with Havelock to add a "failsafe" wallet address feature as well (like BTCT had).

Bit of an aside, but Havelock is severely lacking in security features to protect trades and withdrawals. In general, it's just lacking features in fact.

In general, they are a very motivated group. If you have feature requests, share them with Havelock directly.

[gannicus]

Please note that the direct-share management system will probably never have the ability to sell shares directly. It's not meant to be an exchange service (that's what exchanges are for). Your post implies it is inevitable, but, to my knowledge, that is not the case.

Ok then I missunderstood that point, thanks for explaining.

Also note that shareholder lists for both Havelock and the direct management system are backed up by TATI and the respective providers, meaning that your registered ownership is always stored by multiple parties, regardless of the host.

That's good. What I wanted to mean is that if Havelock ends its activies someday you will have to transfer shares to some other place.

I'm not sure what your point was about the price, but right now the only price indicators are Havelock and OTC auctions, and there is not enough data from OTC auctions to say whether the Havelock price is substantially different than any other price.

I made this statement based on the (wrong) suposition that the direct share system was an exchange-like system, which could create different prices considering that there would be a different amount of shares being traded in this system and Havelock.

[ThickAsThieves]

Neo & Bee Sponsors Cyprus Investor Show 2014

Neo & Bee are the proud sponsors of the Cyprus Investor Show 2014, this event takes place in December 2013.

We shall have the largest presence at the event out of all the sponsors which also include traditional banks.

This show will introduce institutional investors to Neo & Bee and Bitcoin, we have already been approached to manage crypto-currency portfolios on behalf of several large institutions and this conference will provide a platform for many more investors to get familiar with Bitcoin and Neo & Bee.

Here is an image of the advertisement for the event: http://imgur.com/sjbuTJH