Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now!

[eneloop]

@Slipknot79

Behind any web order (amazon,...) is a B2C contract.

@Mikebeav3r
I added some things in my last posting.
Well, but Ford sold on stock products.

[Slipknot79]

They wouldn't have built the unit without your order. -> They wouldn't have bought the materials to build it. What if the price drops within a short time -> manufactors issue? I don't think so.
"for the supply of goods which by means of their nature cannot be returned (e.g. personalised goods) or are likely to deteriorate or expire rapidly (e.g. dairy products);" -> it's "e.g." only
Maybe this applies to:
"for the supply of goods or services which are priced according to fluctuations in the financial market and cannot be controlled by the supplier;"

Dunno what you are goin to tell us.
Milk products, vegetables, fruits ... expire rapidly, it makes sense to not apply DSR 3 months after purchase of this kind of products.

Fluctuations in the financial market affect only financial products, shares and shit like this. You cant go to facebook an return the shares coz the price dropped 50% within last 2 months and you want your deposit back.

[Mikebeav3r]

If this is a financial product... so are money bags, UV note checkers, coin holders etc.
It is a machine that does a job, it's a computer by all accounts.
If they had done a kick starter or a proper "crowd funding" thing, then no one would have a leg to stand on RE: DSR's, but as they offered an actual product, with set design specs and a shipping date (of sorts, bunch of lying cu*ts), then they are accountable to the DSR's, just as any person who sells something for a set price online, eBay, Amazon Market place etc, you sell for a Buy it Now, and ANYONE can return it is they don't want it, up to 7 days after purchase, without any penalty or re-stocking charge, yes, it sounds unfair, but this is THE LAW, these are the rules, if you want to be an online business , you need to adhere to those sort of things.

[eneloop]

They wouldn't have built the unit without your order. -> They wouldn't have bought the materials to build it. What if the price drops within a short time -> manufactors issue? I don't think so.
"for the supply of goods which by means of their nature cannot be returned (e.g. personalised goods) or are likely to deteriorate or expire rapidly (e.g. dairy products);" -> it's "e.g." only
Maybe this applies to:
"for the supply of goods or services which are priced according to fluctuations in the financial market and cannot be controlled by the supplier;"

Dunno what you are goin to tell us.
Milk products, vegetables, fruits ... expire rapidly, it makes sense to not apply DSR 3 months after purchase of this kind of products.

Fluctuations in the financial market affects only financial products, shares and shit like this. You cant go to facebook an return the shares coz the price dropped 50% within last 2 months and you want your deposit back.

Not everything is "black" or "white" only (your given products), there is a lot of "grey" between.
I won't bet on my opinion at court, nor on yours.

@Mikebeav3r
A lot of products on kickstarter are specefied very exactly upfront + shipping date.

[uozer]

does someone know how do they ban the People . by ip ?

Yep, IP. You can't even just read when you got banned.
Delete all cookies and look for a proxy.

switching ip - easy as can be 

those feckers are at lightning speed in banning arent they? not a single activity for a month and now that dickhead Fiaz or whoever bans you in 30 mns after a bad comment

[Slipknot79]

>Behind any web order (amazon,...) is a B2C contract.


Yea i didnt explain this well. I mean, if there exist a "product on demand" i allegedly ordered, there should exits a contract with personalized wishes i placed with this order and finally completed with my and ATs signature. I know this from ordering a individual car. It exists a contract which isnt simple to be canceled (only within one week, only if purchase not conducted at local dealer, price rises after purchase, stuff like this blabla).
Something like that doenst exist. The whole act happened was like ordering a mass product on the basis of B2C.

[Mikebeav3r]

They wouldn't have built the unit without your order. -> They wouldn't have bought the materials to build it. What if the price drops within a short time -> manufactors issue? I don't think so.
"for the supply of goods which by means of their nature cannot be returned (e.g. personalised goods) or are likely to deteriorate or expire rapidly (e.g. dairy products);" -> it's "e.g." only
Maybe this applies to:
"for the supply of goods or services which are priced according to fluctuations in the financial market and cannot be controlled by the supplier;"

Dunno what you are goin to tell us.
Milk products, vegetables, fruits ... expire rapidly, it makes sense to not apply DSR 3 months after purchase of this kind of products.

Fluctuations in the financial market affects only financial products, shares and shit like this. You cant go to facebook an return the shares coz the price dropped 50% within last 2 months and you want your deposit back.

Not everything is "black" or "white" only (your given products), there is a lot of "grey" between.
I won't bet on my opinion at court, nor on yours.

@Mikebeav3r
A lot of products on kickstarter are specefied very exactly upfront.

RE:Kickstarter, yes, they may be very well specified upfront, but the point is, it is a crowd funding site, the rewards are given as an incentive, but if they don't deliver, you are owed nothing, instead they chose to be a business and as such are bound by the laws of the kingdom.

[bumface]

you ordered a product that would be shipped in q3, that has not passed. now live with it and stop whining.if you dont want this, then dont put money in a pre order product. you made a choice ,now deal with the consequentes like an adult. all this whining makes me more tired then alphas flaws

[nwfella]

Starting to wonder whether a 'forced refund' scenario might be applicable here.  Refusing delivery and demanding re-payment in full.  Assuming they ever do ship that is.

[wilson1973]

you ordered a product that would be shipped in q3, that has not passed. now live with it and stop whining

You ordered a product which was due for shipping worst case scenario 15th July. That did not happen. People have every reason to be upset with AT.

With the proposed new delivery date these units will never ROI.

[Slipknot79]

you ordered a product that would be shipped in q3, that has not passed. now live with it and stop whining.if you dont want this, then dont put money in a pre order product. you made a choice ,now deal with the consequentes like an adult. all this whining makes me more tired then alphas flaws

The problem isnt the delivery date, its the application of DSR. We dont need to justiy why we want to cancel the purchase. We just want to cancel and get full refund, simple as that.

[eneloop]

Nobody is whining, we are just talking about the applicable law.

Contract says end of Q3. Everything else are nice promises only.

Anyone in the UK wants to ask their local consumer protection (or however it is called)? Normally everyone within the EU can ask the local ones, same law within EU.

[Mikebeav3r]

you ordered a product that would be shipped in q3, that has not passed. now live with it and stop whining.if you dont want this, then dont put money in a pre order product. you made a choice ,now deal with the consequentes like an adult. all this whining makes me more tired then alphas flaws

It was continually mentioned that shipping would be 15th - 31st July though, many people would have taken the reduced refund rate offered when they could if they were told that there was going to be a delay, it was deliberately hushed up so that the 5 month ( illegal ) dead line passed and they could tell everyone asking to sod off.

As for whining in this thread? I ( and anyone else) can't do much else about the situation, if I am set to loose £1,635, I bloody well want to moan about it as much as I can, gotta get my monies worth somehow

I hope your miner turns up and you get some coins out of it squire, but I am going about things in my way, and you in yours.

[bumface]

you ordered a product that would be shipped in q3, that has not passed. now live with it and stop whining

You ordered a product which was due for shipping worst case scenario 15th July. That did not happen. People have every reason to be upset with AT.

With the proposed new delivery date these units will never ROI.

every asic roi`s, the questin is how long will it take.

i will put it on a multipool

http://poolpicker.eu/

put it on nicehash, 250 mh/s x 0.00482350btc =1,205875 btc per day

= 701.19 USD per day , making the roi :

 9 254.18175 U.S. dollars (5450 gbp) / 701.19 = ROI 13,19782338595816 days.....

so whats the issue here exactly?

there will always be new coins, and a multipool takes full advantage of this

[eneloop]

It was continually mentioned that shipping would be 15th - 31st July though, many people would have taken the reduced refund rate offered when they could if they were told that there was going to be a delay

Fiaz said they knew it since begin of July (true or not, nobody knows). So for most of the customers it makes no difference if they had known it 1 month before or not. Excepting those paid in full during that time or order sometimes later (their shops where open some times later, I don't know exactly).

[wilson1973]

you ordered a product that would be shipped in q3, that has not passed. now live with it and stop whining

You ordered a product which was due for shipping worst case scenario 15th July. That did not happen. People have every reason to be upset with AT.

With the proposed new delivery date these units will never ROI.

every asic roi`s, the questin is how long will it take.

i will put it on a multipool

http://poolpicker.eu/

put it on nicehash, 250 mh/s x 0.00482350btc =1,205875 btc per day

= 701.19 USD per day , making the roi :

 9 254.18175 U.S. dollars (5450 gbp) / 701.19 = ROI 13,19782338595816 days.....

so whats the issue here exactly?

there will always be new coins, and a multipool takes full advantage of this

Based on whats happening now.

With a ton of Titans and other kit delivering before the Vipers, difficulty will rocket and ROI will be questionable.

You're buying a door stop now.

[bumface]

there will always be new coins. a multipool is very consistent. and if you feel like taking a risk, you can mine a new coin directly that has good prospects,and then hope for a rise

[eneloop]

there will always be new coins. a multipool is very consistent

Yeah with other algos. I don't see a chance for a lot of scrypt coins after we have ASIC power like at SHA-256.

...a bit offtopic I think.

[jrose120]

you ordered a product that would be shipped in q3, that has not passed. now live with it and stop whining

You ordered a product which was due for shipping worst case scenario 15th July. That did not happen. People have every reason to be upset with AT.

With the proposed new delivery date these units will never ROI.

every asic roi`s, the questin is how long will it take.

i will put it on a multipool

http://poolpicker.eu/

put it on nicehash, 250 mh/s x 0.00482350btc =1,205875 btc per day

= 701.19 USD per day , making the roi :

 9 254.18175 U.S. dollars (5450 gbp) / 701.19 = ROI 13,19782338595816 days.....

so whats the issue here exactly?

there will always be new coins, and a multipool takes full advantage of this

Aren't you forgetting about the increase in difficulty. By the time you get your Viper running the difficulty will have tripled. Other companies will have shipped out their ASIC hardware causing the difficulty to instantly sky rocket. If Alpha-t ships their hardware a month after KNC, or ZoomHash delivers theirs there will be no hope of getting a return on your investment.

[bumface]

you ordered a product that would be shipped in q3, that has not passed. now live with it and stop whining

You ordered a product which was due for shipping worst case scenario 15th July. That did not happen. People have every reason to be upset with AT.

With the proposed new delivery date these units will never ROI.

every asic roi`s, the questin is how long will it take.

i will put it on a multipool

http://poolpicker.eu/

put it on nicehash, 250 mh/s x 0.00482350btc =1,205875 btc per day

= 701.19 USD per day , making the roi :

 9 254.18175 U.S. dollars (5450 gbp) / 701.19 = ROI 13,19782338595816 days.....

so whats the issue here exactly?

there will always be new coins, and a multipool takes full advantage of this

Aren't you forgetting about the increase in difficulty. By the time you get your Viper running the difficulty will have tripled. Other companies will have shipped out their ASIC hardware causing the difficulty to instantly sky rocket. If Alpha-t ships their hardware a month after KNC, or ZoomHash delivers theirs there will be no hope of getting a return on your investment.

multipools mine profitable coins, switching automaticly. difficulty is irrelevant