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September 17, 2018, 07:04:25 AM
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a few days ago I tried to find out about how botnets work through captcha solver
I think it's almost impossible for them to make a profit from free rolls if they can't use the lottery they get from free rolls, unless they get a special discount.
because the cheapest price that I found showed almost the same price as the free rolls game provided (1 USD per 500 captcha)
but I don't know if there is a captcha solver that offers a cheaper price

There is one provider that gives a 50% discount on that price if the solve matches our domain name. Those are just retail prices and bulk discounts are available. I also know someone that has his own captcha solving server which is free (other than hosting costs). I'm sure many others do as well. It is real problem that there isn't an effective captcha on the market and Google don't address the design flaws in theirs.

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September 17, 2018, 08:42:36 AM
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a few days ago I tried to find out about how botnets work through captcha solver
I think it's almost impossible for them to make a profit from free rolls if they can't use the lottery they get from free rolls, unless they get a special discount.
because the cheapest price that I found showed almost the same price as the free rolls game provided (1 USD per 500 captcha)
but I don't know if there is a captcha solver that offers a cheaper price

There is one provider that gives a 50% discount on that price if the solve matches our domain name. Those are just retail prices and bulk discounts are available. I also know someone that has his own captcha solving server which is free (other than hosting costs). I'm sure many others do as well. It is real problem that there isn't an effective captcha on the market and Google don't address the design flaws in theirs.

Oh, I see

Is it possible for Wetsuit to create his own captcha server like Google does ?
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September 17, 2018, 08:48:19 AM
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And again users with small amounts of tickets have won some good prizes in the last lottery round.



Cases like this encourage me to buy 500-1,000 tickets every round because on one hand 1k sats ($0.06) is certainly an amount I can afford to lose in one week, and, on the other hand, there is a possibility to win over $2k, and sometimes the main prize is over $16k, like in the lottery round 168 when it was 2.62126442 BTC.

I think those suggesting to lower the house edge have to realize that the amount of free lottery tickets given would lower as well which consequently would lower the prizes in the lottery rounds and thus the whole lottery would become less attractive.

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September 17, 2018, 08:48:24 AM
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Oh, I see

Is it possible for Wetsuit to create his own captcha server like Google does ?


That'd be really hard to do though... you need a lot of pictures...

When I was searching to implement cap that I found botdetect which is open source but then you'd still need a lot of images (or tamper with all the images they give you).

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September 17, 2018, 09:18:55 AM
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That'd be really hard to do though... you need a lot of pictures...

When I was searching to implement cap that I found botdetect which is open source but then you'd still need a lot of images (or tamper with all the images they give you).

The real problem is there really isn't anything a human can do online that you can't program a computer to do.

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September 17, 2018, 09:49:01 AM
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are actually designed purely to maximise the referral commision by trying to roll over the same coin as many times as possible.

For once you got something correct.  By doing this it allows the person TIME to decide when to get out BEFORE they LOSE EVERYTHING.  That's the key point that you ALWAYS leave out because you dont WANT people getting out before they lose it all.  Why would you,  that would cause the casino to LOSE lol.  Therefore you ALWAYS argue the point that it's the bot that is evil......... Why?  Because it gives users the BEST CHANCE to get out before they lose everything and you cant have that because it's BAD FOR BUSINESS.  Let us not forget that this shithouse has spent the last 3 or whatever years COMBATING BOTS because they are causing the casino revenue.  They are not combatting normal users............... Why?  Because humans are easily manipulated into doing things they shouldnt.  Bots cannot be manipulated AT ALL and will do exactly what you tell them to do regardless of emotions (which is what casinos bank on,  they bank on human emotions).  Cutting out the emotions gives a bot user a significant advantage over ANY casino.  I dont care if it's a dice game or poker.  A bot will ALWAYS outperform a human's emotions.  Bot's dont get emotional.  They just get the job done.  

For example,  if you compare a bot's winnings vs a humans winnings in an 8hr period,  you'll quickly notice a triangle pattern forms for the bot while a human's pattern looks more like a mountain range.  One is predictable,  the other is not because bot's dont have emotion that will change the pattern.

We can visualize this and give it an analogy.  Let's say we want to go sight seeing over the city and there are 2 paths to take to reach the required height to see the city lights at night.

One is a straight slow gradual road that goes straight up,  it has a nice 4 lane highway of people going up and down,  there are well maintained pull outs with gorgeous views of the sunset,  etc,  BUT at the end is a MASSIVE cliff that drops off to city level (that is 0 for the player and they lose everything),  it is marked with danger signs everywhere all the way up stating that there are no rails and that you have to view the city at great peril of your own,  if you drive over the cliff or fall off,  it's your fault because there were plenty of warning signs ahead of time.

The other is a windy mountain road thats full of exciting animals that could push the car off the road at any moment,  there are bridges that are washed out that could cause the car to plummet to it's death,  etc.  It's an exciting ride,  but one thats very likely to end abruptly and quickly with one's death (or more correctly,  with losing all your deposits).

Which path you take will probably depend upon what type of person you are OR where you are in life.  If you have a family and kids,  you're probably going to opt for the safer route (the straight highway with plenty of scenic views).  If you are straight out of college and have no care in the world with tons of mom's money to blow,  you're probably going to take the exciting route.

Trying to steer people away from the safer route is utterly disgusting imo.  If bots truly make people LOSE,  you'd be all over them touting them like they were the 2nd coming of Jesus.  Why?  Because it would make the casino MORE money thats why.  But that ISNT the case and that's why you are so against bots.  Period.  It's just that simple and it can be proven as such by the well documented history of wetsuit combating bots during the ENTIRE LIFETIME of the site,  not just he last few months where he's been combating multi-account bots.  I'm talking about when the house edge wasnt at #RETARDED level.  Back when it was ZERO.  He got his ass HANDED TO HIM.... Not by humans............. But by BOTS.  How soon we forget that time eh?  Just because the house edge changes DOES NOT CHANGE THE HOW A BOT FUNCTIONS,  nor does it change it's effectiveness vs human emotions.  It simply means that you cant win as much as you could before,  thats all that raising the house edge did/does.  It does nothing else to combat the root of the problem which is bots do not have emotions that the casino can exploit.

BTW,  I'd like to point out that the current "30K Contest" has the EXACT same goal as a bot.  You're trying to incentivize people to gamble over the same coin over and over and over in an attempt to make them lose more than they would normally and you're asking them to do it without any "bot use".  In other words,  wetsuit wants people to donate to him for free.  The contest's goal is absolutely no different than a bot's goal.  They both result in the exact same thing,  people rolling over the same BTC over and over and over.  The one KEY DIFFERENCE is that this shit contest doesnt tell you when you should probably stop.  A BOT WILL.  Or at least mine does anyway.  Maybe other bots dont,  but mine sure as fuck does and I guess you dont like that.

You are just as much of a snake oil salesman as anyone other lying mofo.  The fact that you try to cover that up is utterly DISGUSTING.  I make no bones about what I am here for,  I tell people right up front that its RETARDED to use freebitco AT ALL.  But if I cant stop them from trying,  I might as well make something off them at the same time and give them tools for their troubles that will give them the best chance of not getting raped by wetsuit.  The casio gives them NOTHING for their efforts.  At least I give them a fighting chance by providing them an excellent tool.  The built in "auto roller" thing on the site is an utter joke compared to a REAL bot.  It's only purpose is to automate their losing.  It has no real "stop" functionality that is effective.  It actually has only 2 stop functions.  My bot has no less than 10 different ways to assess when to stop.  The most EFFECTIVE method that most people use is called a "Trailing Stoploss".  If you're familiar with trading,  you'll know that a trailing stoploss is one EFFECTIVE WAY to GUARANTEE that the current win will ALWAYS BE A WIN and it allows for that win to grow without worry of losing.  Does the site have something like that?  Asbol-fucking-lutely NOT.  But does my bot have it?  You can bet your ass it does.  And that's not the only method it has to help stopping either.  There are other more complex and just as effective methods as well.

So yes I CAN guarantee that it can be configured to always win once it detects you've won something of significance (of significance is determined by the user).  I dont guarantee that it'll win EVERY time but it's better than what wetsuit offers thats for damn sure.  And you can set the stop losses to whatever risk you want rather than having wetsuit dictate what those risks are.

I agree with you and experienced, it is well manipulated, 99% of the time it is provably fair, however there is 1% left for unexplained strange behaviours. Seeing this forum for so long and up until now i have to register an account to reply to this thread. So what I've experienced as well as other may or may not discovered:
- Just playing and win some decent amount like 10k-50k satoshi (from begining of 5k-10k satoshi).
- After a big win, there will be strange thing happen, below is common in all cases I have experienced:

1. The numbers spinning start to act, it take ages to return result with 100% a LOSE, following by series of loses that eat up the whole account balance, regardless of odds (I've done via HAND-MANUAL BETTING, low increase on lose 1.15 -> 1.20, low odds 1.75 -> 2.35 (precalculated in excel to be able to take upto 25-45 bets and manual input during the play), so don't blame me for use of auto bet and it is too fast so that the server cannot response and the bet is forfeited).
2. If you try to ping the site itself or the amazon's seed server itself at that time, the ping return is still very good (i had around 50ms during the time for both sites).
3. After this BIG loss, try to HAND-MANUAL BETTING again, every is back to normal.
4. If you did take note of the result by handwriting somewhere + look around the bet result table to compare, most of them are not there.

Sorry if I am negative but this is what I've experienced, and the siteowner / supervisor / team mebers may need to correct me or explain why did this happened?
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September 17, 2018, 09:53:52 AM
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Lol, the village idiot signed up an alt account to talk to himself as everyone is ignoring him.

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September 17, 2018, 10:07:02 AM
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Lol, the village idiot signed up an alt account to talk to himself as everyone is ignoring him.

You may check for yourself where I am vs other guy originating based on IPs or whatever methods to track, the forum mods/admin can do this to help you out. I just give my thought and wrote what I've experienced, let see if more people reading this thread and if they experienced the same thing. Second, you can call me whatever, I orginating asked for explaination of that strange thing on why it may/can happen such as server overload / losing communitation between playing server + amazon seed server, etc...

But how was the response, lol. Good luck.
Anyway, I like to gamble, as many other do, still deposit to freebitco.in to gamble if there is spare coin lol.
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September 17, 2018, 10:12:48 AM
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You may check for yourself where I am vs other guy originating based on IPs or whatever methods to track

I can't and the forum would not make that information available as they respect peoples privacy. It just seems a remarkable coincidence that someone would turn up and quote the imbecile troll's diarrhoea when everyone else has got bored of him.

As to our game, it is provably fair and that means you can prove to yourself that you are not being cheated. I suggest you do some research into that. It sounds like you have experienced a connection issue. That in no way affects the result of any bet as the result is purely determined by the seeds.

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September 17, 2018, 10:47:08 AM
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That'd be really hard to do though... you need a lot of pictures...

When I was searching to implement cap that I found botdetect which is open source but then you'd still need a lot of images (or tamper with all the images they give you).

The real problem is there really isn't anything a human can do online that you can't program a computer to do.

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I mean we don't have to use very many images

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I have a small idea like the one below but I don't know whether this can be applied or not

we can combine simple image and math
for example like this
we can ask the users who will claim the free rolls game to enter the results of the math operation from the last 1 digit of their balance according to the instructions in the captcha

example 1
instructions in captcha: "your last digit + 2"
then the correct answer for someone with a balance of 0.04497642 is "4"

example 2
instructions in captcha: "your last digit * four"
then the correct answer for someone with a balance of 0.04497642 is "8"

but someone who has a balance with the last digit "0" if he gets a mathematical operation "*" then the result will always be "0"
so maybe we should only use "+" and "-" in the captcha

with the last digit of the user balance I think it will make "a little" sure that the person who completes the captcha is the owner of the account (a bit similar to the checksum)

of course it won't last forever
they will definitely look for new ways to integrate
so we have to change the method in a certain period, for example 1 or 2 months
this will be a little like how Monero is fighting the ASIC device

but again I don't know if this is possible or not
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September 17, 2018, 10:50:51 AM
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@TheQuin
I have a small idea like the one below but I don't know whether this can be applied or not

we can combine simple image and math
for example like this
we can ask the users who will claim the free rolls game to enter the results of the math operation from the last 1 digit of their balance according to the instructions in the captcha

example 1
instructions in captcha: "your last digit + 2"
then the correct answer for someone with a balance of 0.04497642 is "4"

example 2
instructions in captcha: "your last digit * four"
then the correct answer for someone with a balance of 0.04497642 is "8"

but someone who has a balance with the last digit "0" if he gets a mathematical operation "*" then the result will always be "0"
so maybe we should only use "+" and "-" in the captcha

with the last digit of the user balance I think it will make "a little" sure that the person who completes the captcha is the owner of the account (a bit similar to the checksum)

of course it won't last forever
they will definitely look for new ways to integrate
so we have to change the method in a certain period, for example 1 or 2 months
this will be a little like how Monero is fighting the ASIC device

but again I don't know if this is possible or not

From previous experience, it would take a matter of a few hours for them to adjust.

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Lol, the village idiot signed up an alt account to talk to himself as everyone is ignoring him.

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From previous experience, it would take a matter of a few hours for them to adjust.

so freebitco.in ever used the user's balance as a captcha ?
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From previous experience, it would take a matter of a few hours for them to adjust.

so freebitco.in ever used the user's balance as a captcha ?

No, but it would be trivial to automate. When we've made other changes to the captcha implementation it only takes a few hours for them to notice and recode.

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. There a few big referral whales that have brought in a huge income to us over the years and they continue to advertise and pull in new customers.

You do realize that's a complete and utter lie that we can all see through now that there is a retarded contest for referral accounts.  There is ONE referral ID in the top 10 contest every month that is a "legit" referrer and it's from an Android developer whos app uses his referral ID for anyone who installs it.  I'm pretty sure it's also wetsuit's own account or a friend of his since the git repo history in some of the queue items specifically mentions fixing bugs within the site itself (and not the app).  It's clearly someone associated with wetsuit if it's not him.  All 9 other referrals in EVERY month so far have been multi-accounts for the top 10 wagerers.

If the site DID have "Referral whales" that "Still advertise" and bring in large amounts of revenue (other than the known one I already mentioned that really shouldnt be counted as a "referrer" considering their obvious closeness with Wetsuit),  they would be showing up in the contest at the end and they are not,  therefore they are not providing the site with any real revenue.  If they did,  they would be showing up.  There is no point in having someone who refers 50,000 users who all gamble 1 sat or less each.  That's not the type of referral that the site is obviously seeking (as evidenced by this new "contest").  So trying to say that there are "referral whales" is just an outright fucking lie and the STATS of your OWN CONTEST prove it.

Here is an example of a "whale" btw,  Trevon James.  He use to bring in well over 150BTC in referral wagering until he dropped the site (as evidenced by his own videos when he showed the referral page,  he also has a video explaining why he ditched wetsuit also,  some sort of disagreement they had,  idk,  I didnt watch the whole thing but that was the jist of it from what I could gather).  And along with him went his other youtube scamming bed buddies who had similar numbers.  They dropped the site back in Dec 2017 and NONE of them have returned and thus the site is now trying to replace them by using this contest as a carrot.  Losing the site's largest referrers and then a few months later a contest designed to improve referrals is absolutely no coincidence.

The only real "referrers" left are MYSELF and the Android guy (and yes my ID still shows in the top 10 at the beginning of the month usually for the first 2 weeks and I can tell you,  it's not that many referrals either so it doesnt take a lot to show up).  Other than my ID and the Android guy's ID,  there are no other referrers that do any kind of "advertising" I've witnessed other than myself and the android guy.  The best time to find them is the 1st couple weeks.  I've been looking and there just arent any.  I mentioned this during the 1st contest and the argument still holds true today.

It's very easy to find these "whales" that you speak of btw.  If they are such big advertisers,  you'll be able to find them with simple google searches.  Both my ID and the Android guy's ID show up.  But if you check the other ID's,  you'll find a ghost town.  Not a single result.  I did see a korean ID once,  but my korean isnt up to par and the google translation didnt make any sense,  so IDK what they were up to.  Their ID only had 0.94 referral wager total anyway at the time (which was in position 4 when I was researching).  Well below the top 3 which was myself,  mr android,  and a multi-account from one of the top wagerers.  I am constantly looking up referral ID's because I want to see what the competition is doing.  So far THERE IS NO COMPETITION.  lol.  Once these clowns that keep wagering their ass off go away either because they lost their ass or wetsuit wakes up and stops the multi-accounting,  the organic "referrer whales" will float to the top and maybe,  just maybe,  so new "referral whales" will come along.  Until then.... never.  So that could be a while since there is a never ending stream of complete morons out there who think the wagering contest is "worth it" and wetsuit is rolling in it with no need to support referrers atm.  lol.

This place is such a shitshow,  so easy to see right through their BS if you just open your eyes.

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From previous experience, it would take a matter of a few hours for them to adjust.

so freebitco.in ever used the user's balance as a captcha ?

No, but it would be trivial to automate. When we've made other changes to the captcha implementation it only takes a few hours for them to notice and recode.

I just think that maybe those who use captcha solver services will not be as easy as now because the user balance is added as a checksum

a few days ago I tried on sites that use captcha that are supported and it is very easy, we just enter some kind of token code from captcha solver as an API and captcha is finished quite quickly

so if you add a user balance as a checksum I think it will be difficult for captcha solver services because they have to make adjustments to captcha workers as well.
I think it will be complicated for them because they have to make a new type of captcha service.
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September 20, 2018, 07:35:40 AM
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I think it will be complicated for them because they have to make a new type of captcha service.

It will be a lot easier to program a bot read the balance and calculate the checksum than it would for a human to do so. It's as complicated as adding half a dozen lines of code.

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Its a very low amount it is better if you increase it a little bit. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Its a very low amount it is better if you increase it a little bit. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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