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WTF are you talking about not a big difference?  Thats a 400% INCREASE.  How is 400% not a big difference hahaha.  Would you not sell or buy if something moved by 400%?  So,  if I increase your taxes by 400%,  you're just going to take it on the chin?  Wow you are fucking stupid hahaha.  $1 + 400% == $5.  So instead of paying me $1,  you're now going to pay me $5 for every $100 you make,  for the rest of your time in these forums for being so stupid.  Then, after the 100th payment,  you will have paid me $500 instead of $100.  And it just keeps COMPOUNDING from there.  You seem to fail to understand the concept of compound math and how much even a 1.5% house edge is GINORMOUSLY different from a 1% house edge,  let alone 5%!!!

I dont disagree but I think he is referring to a casual user where as the house itself is the most concerned with the stacked weight to a thousand iterations of any maths equation relating to their revenue.   The average person is going to be more motivated by one off factors like the amount of time to log in or the free faucet part even if thats only available once in a while and isnt any large amount, people lose attention after 5 minutes anyway.    
    No doubt any hardcore or pro gambler is well aware of differences that stack up like this, similar kind of maths comes into long term mortgage debt and all sorts of considerations that benefit paying close attention.  Pretty sure this is how Warren Buffet got rich off these 'little' differences, but this might not be the core audience for this site

That still doesnt make his statement of "there is not that big a difference between 1% and 5% house edge" any less false.  Because 400% is 400%.  Thats a huge difference whether you are a pro or not.  Anyone who doesnt look at such a huge difference is EXACTLY the kind of person freebitco wants though.  Why?  Because it proves they are just to stupid to know any better and what better person to scam out of their money than a stupid person?  Smiley  This is why I have no problem bashing this place while at the same time being one of it's largest referral accounts (my bot makes them a shit ton when greed gets the better of the user) lol.  The people here are so stupid that it doesnt even matter what you say,  they are still going to play anyway.  Even if you tell them it's all rigged.  See,  sites with lower house edges stop bots in a FAR different manor than wetsuit does.  There is something they are doing that he does not.  Anyone familiar with dice bot sites would quickly know what that is because its the first question they ask themselves when testing a new site.  It even has its own acronym in the field of dice bots.

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October 22, 2018, 06:05:44 PM
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That still doesnt make his statement of "there is not that big a difference between 1% and 5% house edge" any less false.  Because 400% is 400%.  Thats a huge difference whether you are a pro or not.  Anyone who doesnt look at such a huge difference is EXACTLY the kind of person freebitco wants though.  Why?  Because it proves they are just to stupid to know any better and what better person to scam out of their money than a stupid person?  Smiley  This is why I have no problem bashing this place while at the same time being one of it's largest referral accounts (my bot makes them a shit ton when greed gets the better of the user) lol.  The people here are so stupid that it doesnt even matter what you say,  they are still going to play anyway.  Even if you tell them it's all rigged.  See,  sites with lower house edges stop bots in a FAR different manor than wetsuit does.  There is something they are doing that he does not.  Anyone familiar with dice bot sites would quickly know what that is because its the first question they ask themselves when testing a new site.  It even has its own acronym in the field of dice bots.

Have you thought of neglecting this site broken? You seem to have a lot against it so it would be good to see you move to another with a lower house edge (maybe I'll join in on the crew if you do)...
There are many gambling sites that offer 0.25% referral income which is a bit less than what you currently get but coupled with a low house edge and you could do much better for yourself and your gamblers.

And stupidity was proven happily before. Also, if there's not much difference between 4500 and 4900, why doesn't wetsuit change the house edge to be 10% as it seems that's what thequin would want to be a nice brick and mortar casino somewhere charging a 10% house edge and drawing people in to gamble and lose their funds... Besides, if there's no difference between 4500 and 4900 what's the difference between 4500 and 0, that's right, let's make it impossible for people to win here because we're still just compounding it by another multiple of 5.

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October 23, 2018, 01:33:12 PM
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WTF are you talking about not a big difference?  Thats a 400% INCREASE.  How is 400% not a big difference hahaha.  Would you not sell or buy if something moved by 400%?  So,  if I increase your taxes by 400%,  you're just going to take it on the chin?  Wow you are fucking stupid hahaha.  $1 + 400% == $5.  So instead of paying me $1,  you're now going to pay me $5 for every $100 you make,  for the rest of your time in these forums for being so stupid.  Then, after the 100th payment,  you will have paid me $500 instead of $100.  And it just keeps COMPOUNDING from there.  You seem to fail to understand the concept of compound math and how much even a 1.5% house edge is GINORMOUSLY different from a 1% house edge,  let alone 5%!!!

I dont disagree but I think he is referring to a casual user where as the house itself is the most concerned with the stacked weight to a thousand iterations of any maths equation relating to their revenue.   The average person is going to be more motivated by one off factors like the amount of time to log in or the free faucet part even if thats only available once in a while and isnt any large amount, people lose attention after 5 minutes anyway.    
    No doubt any hardcore or pro gambler is well aware of differences that stack up like this, similar kind of maths comes into long term mortgage debt and all sorts of considerations that benefit paying close attention.  Pretty sure this is how Warren Buffet got rich off these 'little' differences, but this might not be the core audience for this site

Absolutely. Because gambling for us is not a business where we can make money taking into account the smallest details. People who think that way lose everything in most cases. Gambling, dice and lottery in particular, is a game of chance and any calculations here would be of little help. What is good about playing on FreeBitco.in and similar trusted sites is that if you win one day because of the extreme luck, you are guaranteed to receive your reward.

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October 24, 2018, 07:51:02 AM
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Hi TheQuin

It seems like you have trouble distinguishing botnets and genuine users
Did you know, you have recently blocked the biggest ISP in our country (they claim to have more than 150 million customers)

I heard from some of my friends that they cannot log in to freebitco.in, but this only happens to one ISP
then I tried to register an account with that ISP and after a few hours, the new account I registered could not log in, so I concluded that you blocked the ISP.

Actually I also use the same ISP but on premium services that use a static IP address so there is no problem with my account.
but I suspect this also makes my income as a referrer fall dramatically because I think many of my referrals use that ISP, but I don't know for sure.
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October 24, 2018, 08:50:32 AM
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Hi TheQuin

It seems like you have trouble distinguishing botnets and genuine users
Did you know, you have recently blocked the biggest ISP in our country (they claim to have more than 150 million customers)

I heard from some of my friends that they cannot log in to freebitco.in, but this only happens to one ISP
then I tried to register an account with that ISP and after a few hours, the new account I registered could not log in, so I concluded that you blocked the ISP.

Actually I also use the same ISP but on premium services that use a static IP address so there is no problem with my account.
but I suspect this also makes my income as a referrer fall dramatically because I think many of my referrals use that ISP, but I don't know for sure.

I have never blocked an ISP, please tell me what you think is blocked.

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October 24, 2018, 09:21:05 AM
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I have never blocked an ISP, please tell me what you think is blocked.

maybe you have made automatic blocking on some IPs that you suspect are used by botnets

but unfortunately some of these IPs are the Dynamic IPs owned by the largest operator in our country.

so that anyone who uses that IPs will be automatically blocked.

I think this will block the way for that ISP customers to your site

so this is the same as blocking the ISP, because sooner or later the users will use the IP address that is included in your blacklist because the IP they use will continue to change as the Dynamic IP works.

and for botnets who may have used the ISP only need to move to another ISP.

so I think the effect will be worse for genuine users than for botnets.
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October 24, 2018, 09:26:08 AM
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I know how the system works, I designed it, and it won't do what you are saying. Tell me what ISP and IP addresses you think are blocked.

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October 24, 2018, 11:52:18 AM
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The merged team of scammers continue to puff and make excuses.

51 red in a row - now it is called gambling

Return my money.
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October 24, 2018, 12:05:47 PM
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The merged team of scammers continue to puff and make excuses.

51 red in a row - now it is called gambling

Return my money.
lmao you dont get money back in gambling, what odds were you betting ? if above 2.xx then at that huge house edge this site has its very much possible to hit even higher losing streak

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October 25, 2018, 02:03:13 AM
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The merged team of scammers continue to puff and make excuses.

51 red in a row - now it is called gambling

Return my money.
lmao you dont get money back in gambling, what odds were you betting ? if above 2.xx then at that huge house edge this site has its very much possible to hit even higher losing streak

He was betting 7x and it is quite remarkable that only 51 is the longest he managed to get.

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October 25, 2018, 06:11:26 AM
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I have never blocked an ISP, please tell me what you think is blocked.

maybe you have made automatic blocking on some IPs that you suspect are used by botnets

but unfortunately some of these IPs are the Dynamic IPs owned by the largest operator in our country.

so that anyone who uses that IPs will be automatically blocked.

I think this will block the way for that ISP customers to your site

so this is the same as blocking the ISP, because sooner or later the users will use the IP address that is included in your blacklist because the IP they use will continue to change as the Dynamic IP works.

and for botnets who may have used the ISP only need to move to another ISP.

so I think the effect will be worse for genuine users than for botnets.


Why not just send TheQuin a PM with the IP address of the ISP and he can validate and unblock it. I think it would be reasonable to assume if a lot of bots are coming from the same ISP or region, then the service will block the access to that ISP/Region.

I know the faucet income was different, based on the location of the traffic, when advertisers still paid for faucet traffic. So based on what they did with that, it would be reasonable to assume that they can filter quality ISPs from ISPs that are just used for bot traffic.  Huh

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October 25, 2018, 06:41:45 AM
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I have never blocked an ISP, please tell me what you think is blocked.

maybe you have made automatic blocking on some IPs that you suspect are used by botnets

but unfortunately some of these IPs are the Dynamic IPs owned by the largest operator in our country.

so that anyone who uses that IPs will be automatically blocked.

I think this will block the way for that ISP customers to your site

so this is the same as blocking the ISP, because sooner or later the users will use the IP address that is included in your blacklist because the IP they use will continue to change as the Dynamic IP works.

and for botnets who may have used the ISP only need to move to another ISP.

so I think the effect will be worse for genuine users than for botnets.


Why not just send TheQuin a PM with the IP address of the ISP and he can validate and unblock it. I think it would be reasonable to assume if a lot of bots are coming from the same ISP or region, then the service will block the access to that ISP/Region.

I know the faucet income was different, based on the location of the traffic, when advertisers still paid for faucet traffic. So based on what they did with that, it would be reasonable to assume that they can filter quality ISPs from ISPs that are just used for bot traffic.  Huh

I asked twice but without a clue to even which ISP he's talking about I can't look into the complaint. There are databases of IP addresses with location, ISP and usage type. I can also look at the usage we get from any particular network and it is pretty easy to see where there are large amounts of abuse going on.



lol, bro~

This is not the village idiot's shitbot thread. Please respect the forum rules and go and discuss it somewhere else.

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October 25, 2018, 07:27:56 AM
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C'mon people it's called gambling, the house ALWAYS wins at the end!....

That might be true overall but individual players do win as well.

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October 25, 2018, 09:44:59 AM
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C'mon people it's called gambling, the house ALWAYS wins at the end!....
Also C'mon man, no one says you shoud win, no one says casino is a great way of money making for gamblers, no one says deposit much and much or play here to be rich. All they say is that you have to gamble just for fun, it's another task what you do and what you expect from casino. So don't blame others for it, you do everything on your own.
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October 25, 2018, 09:55:16 AM
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C'mon people it's called gambling, the house ALWAYS wins at the end!....
Also C'mon man, no one says you shoud win, no one says casino is a great way of money making for gamblers, no one says deposit much and much or play here to be rich. All they say is that you have to gamble just for fun, it's another task what you do and what you expect from casino. So don't blame others for it, you do everything on your own.
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How is thr contest going? Haven't received email for a while.

It's going very well. This month has had a bit of a runaway leader for a while so less action to follow, but overall good levels again. We don't like to spam too many emails to you  Wink

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October 25, 2018, 11:38:30 AM
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I have never blocked an ISP, please tell me what you think is blocked.

maybe you have made automatic blocking on some IPs that you suspect are used by botnets

but unfortunately some of these IPs are the Dynamic IPs owned by the largest operator in our country.

so that anyone who uses that IPs will be automatically blocked.

I think this will block the way for that ISP customers to your site

so this is the same as blocking the ISP, because sooner or later the users will use the IP address that is included in your blacklist because the IP they use will continue to change as the Dynamic IP works.

and for botnets who may have used the ISP only need to move to another ISP.

so I think the effect will be worse for genuine users than for botnets.


Why not just send TheQuin a PM with the IP address of the ISP and he can validate and unblock it. I think it would be reasonable to assume if a lot of bots are coming from the same ISP or region, then the service will block the access to that ISP/Region.

I know the faucet income was different, based on the location of the traffic, when advertisers still paid for faucet traffic. So based on what they did with that, it would be reasonable to assume that they can filter quality ISPs from ISPs that are just used for bot traffic.  Huh

I asked twice but without a clue to even which ISP he's talking about I can't look into the complaint. There are databases of IP addresses with location, ISP and usage type. I can also look at the usage we get from any particular network and it is pretty easy to see where there are large amounts of abuse going on.



@kakmakr

First, I did not use that dynamic IPs and did not record the address when I used it to test freebitco.in registration a few days ago

second, I am just like you, some time ago when your IP was blocked and TheQuin asked about your IP and you decided not to reveal it.
I'm just not comfortable when revealing my location

if my analysis is correct then maybe this also happens to many Dynamic ISPs and will cause a decrease in traffic to freebitco.in

but TheQuin was very sure of the system he designed, so maybe I was wrong

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October 25, 2018, 12:00:42 PM
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@kakmakr

First, I did not use that dynamic IPs and did not record the address when I used it to test freebitco.in registration a few days ago

second, I am just like you, some time ago when your IP was blocked and TheQuin asked about your IP and you decided not to reveal it.
I'm just not comfortable when revealing my location

if my analysis is correct then maybe this also happens to many Dynamic ISPs and will cause a decrease in traffic to freebitco.in

but TheQuin was very sure of the system he designed, so maybe I was wrong

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I have considered ISP with 150 million customers as a clue


As I said we don't block ISPs so I didn't research how many customers they have. The IP databases are not 100% accurate and sometimes when the database is updated an address range can be reclassified as a VPN, proxy or whatever. I try and only block ranges that are heavily abused rather than rely just on the classification. I respect all of our customers' privacy but I'm sure you understand I can't look into it without the IP address affected.

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C'mon people it's called gambling, the house ALWAYS wins at the end!....

That might be true overall but individual players do win as well.

More lies by omission.  Par for the course.  Players DO NOT WIN.  They can only be successful using the right tools (https://dlive.tv/btctrading is a good example),  but they certainly CAN NEVER "win" as in coming out on top due to some "contest" or miraculous single bet.  In order to do that,  one would have to come to this shithole,  win enough to be ahead and then NEVER return.  So you're saying thats the type of player you want to use as an example player of the site?  One that no longer even exists?  Ya ok whatever,  thats gotta be GREAT for business lmfao.  Get it straight.  Just because someone gets a SINGLE "win" as you are referring to,  you're ignoring all the LOSSES that they will take or have already taken up to that point.  The "Wagering contest" is a PERFECT example of people who "win" but actually LOSE.  Yet you call them "winners" which is imo utterly disgusting.  That contest needs to be renamed to "The biggest losers contest".  And trying to say "Some of them win" is an out right LIE because it cant be proven whether they won more than they've put in or not.  Therefore the ONLY solution is to assume the MATH got them and they LOST.

Therefore the statement "Some people win" is a complete lie because all it does is try to cover up the fact that 99.99999999999999% of all players LOSE.  Who cares if there has been 1 person in the history of the site who came in,  put 100K sats and won with 0.02 odds,  and walked away never to be seen again.  If that has even EVER happened (which I'll wager it has NOT).  If it did happen,  I'd also put money on the fact the player stayed and ended up losing it all,  including the 100K sats they put in right along with it.  Therefore,  even that player is a loser,  not a "winner" as you would label it.

This means that the statement "The house always wins in the end" is 100% ACCURATE.  There is no asterisk necessary with "some people do win" because thats just FALSE.  You could replace it with "some people are successful" though because that doesnt insinuate that they always win.  It also means they could have taken losses but despite those losses,  they have been successful,  for the time being.  Anyone whos been in business knows that it takes losses in order to be successful.  This is why when you ask a wealthy person who owns a business how they "won",  they'd look at you like you were completely stupid and say "You mean successful?".

Look at it this way.  Your odds of "winning" at ANY casino that has a house edge of any kind are less than those of ALL the lotteries in the world.  Combined and multiplied by 100000.  Because your odds of winning are literally 0.  In the end,  its the house that always wins.  Anyone who says otherwise is just lying to you.

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October 25, 2018, 11:08:39 PM
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@kakmakr

First, I did not use that dynamic IPs and did not record the address when I used it to test freebitco.in registration a few days ago

second, I am just like you, some time ago when your IP was blocked and TheQuin asked about your IP and you decided not to reveal it.
I'm just not comfortable when revealing my location

if my analysis is correct then maybe this also happens to many Dynamic ISPs and will cause a decrease in traffic to freebitco.in

but TheQuin was very sure of the system he designed, so maybe I was wrong

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I have considered ISP with 150 million customers as a clue


As I said we don't block ISPs so I didn't research how many customers they have. The IP databases are not 100% accurate and sometimes when the database is updated an address range can be reclassified as a VPN, proxy or whatever. I try and only block ranges that are heavily abused rather than rely just on the classification. I respect all of our customers' privacy but I'm sure you understand I can't look into it without the IP address affected.


Thequin has given a fair reasoning there.
@garry, if you want to contact your isp to ask them to give you a new IP address then that might help you and mean you don’t have to hand it over to thequin.
Otherwise, you’ll hav pe to give your IP address to thequin to try to remove you from the database.

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@kakmakr

First, I did not use that dynamic IPs and did not record the address when I used it to test freebitco.in registration a few days ago

second, I am just like you, some time ago when your IP was blocked and TheQuin asked about your IP and you decided not to reveal it.
I'm just not comfortable when revealing my location

if my analysis is correct then maybe this also happens to many Dynamic ISPs and will cause a decrease in traffic to freebitco.in

but TheQuin was very sure of the system he designed, so maybe I was wrong

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@TheQuin

I have considered ISP with 150 million customers as a clue


As I said we don't block ISPs so I didn't research how many customers they have. The IP databases are not 100% accurate and sometimes when the database is updated an address range can be reclassified as a VPN, proxy or whatever. I try and only block ranges that are heavily abused rather than rely just on the classification. I respect all of our customers' privacy but I'm sure you understand I can't look into it without the IP address affected.


Thequin has given a fair reasoning there.
@garry, if you want to contact your isp to ask them to give you a new IP address then that might help you and mean you don’t have to hand it over to thequin.
Otherwise, you’ll hav pe to give your IP address to thequin to try to remove you from the database.

@Jack

thank you for your attention Jack, but no
I am not a victim of the IP address blocking that TheQuin has done
I'm just trying to report the news around me that might impact my referrals.
I am not sure about how much this will affect my referrals. because as a user we are not given facilities for that. I only know that my income is decreasing.
I tried to see traffic to freebitco.in through a site like this:

https://www.similarweb.com/website/freebitco.in

we can see that the traffic has fallen by more than 50% in 2 months.
I dare not say that it was caused by a massive blocking carried out by TheQuin because it could also be caused by people's interest in bitcoin has declined.

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..........I try and only block ranges that are heavily abused rather than rely just on the classification..............

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so you block IP addresses at a certain range
based on what I know, if the IP address that you block is the IP address of the Dynamic ISP, it will make thousands or millions (depending on the range you block) of innocent IP addresses victimized because the workings of Dynamic IP addresses are random like the process of creating bitcoin addresses when randomizing the SHA-256 number as a raw private key.
That's if I don't misunderstand the word "range" that you mean.
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