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April 02, 2013, 09:03:24 AM
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sage advice. i suppose it just comes down to you doing your due diligence and treating bitcoins as if it was gold or something
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April 02, 2013, 11:00:05 AM
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Thanks - Yep use common sense.
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April 02, 2013, 12:02:12 PM
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Thanks
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April 02, 2013, 12:32:33 PM
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sage advice. i suppose it just comes down to you doing your due diligence and treating bitcoins as if it was gold or something

They are easier to steal than gold. 

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April 02, 2013, 01:27:22 PM
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Well if you want to trust nobody its up to you...

I trust all, or give the chance, i risk little or a lot depending on many things...and if I take a loss, i consider it a small one and move on.

Never risk too much but then again a scared investor doesn't make money.

We are new and our group has done 3-5 times our BTC Smiley

Still with a few bucks only we are experiment and testing services/exchanges and trading post.


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April 02, 2013, 03:19:47 PM
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Thanks dacoinminster
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April 02, 2013, 06:55:46 PM
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They are easier to steal than gold. 

And they can't be made radioactive either (James Bond, Goldfinger).
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April 02, 2013, 07:01:05 PM
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I'm thankful that there are a few people who I do trust absolutely. And I hope that they trust me equally in return. (Mind you, few is a low number).
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April 02, 2013, 08:37:11 PM
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thnx for the guidlines..
the whole wallet security thing is still kinda blurry to me, but hey, that's why I'm in the newbie section Smiley
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April 02, 2013, 08:54:22 PM
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good post you should trust no one
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April 02, 2013, 09:00:33 PM
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thanks for the reminder
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April 02, 2013, 09:02:53 PM
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Yes, but don't be paranoiac Tongue
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April 02, 2013, 10:05:12 PM
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Hard leason eveyone will learn soon
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April 02, 2013, 11:41:49 PM
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Good points, all. Trade is a tricky thing when it only goes one way!
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April 03, 2013, 12:01:34 AM
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We all have the option to create a wallet on our home pc.  Either in BTC or LTC.  No need to use an online wallet carrier if you do that.

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April 03, 2013, 12:23:02 AM
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man I was looking for a place to store some bitcoins while i updated my wallet on my PC.

I found a site claiming to be instawallet at a hidden onion address: 3rlqkicvauds47ch.onion i clicked around until it gave me a fresh URL not the first one from the link on ahmia.fi. 

I did everything it said and i kept a written record of the url to save and i sent to the address my bit coins.  The transaction went through with 39 confirmations and it has been hours since the transaction. I checked       blockchain.info and verified the transaction.

From:

16U7oGXbGZrMPcExLH4X3znG7eqTuFkKfM

To:

1L9LtdNgS9fsbkenEszHNHBthuZMGgJUok

in the amount of 1.0169586 BTC.

it has been hours and the funds still have not appeared.
There is an email address at the bottom of the site that i actually took time to write to but was returned as invalid. that email is instawallet@tormail.org.
can someone help me or did i just get screwed.
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April 03, 2013, 12:36:54 AM
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Thanks for the advice.
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April 03, 2013, 01:12:08 AM
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Trust is not something that should exist in business, in life, yes, but look at all the U.S. laws regarding how a business must operate, because customers should not have to trust the business they're buying from. Of course that means they have to trust govenrment, but that is another matter entirely  Wink.


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April 03, 2013, 02:05:28 AM
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One person you can trust is ny2cafuse! I just trader Litecoins for a retail copy of Bioshock Infinite. He responded very quickly, and I'm installing the game now.
Thank you, I will post this in your thread when my Newbie status is revoked!

The thread in question: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=162826.0
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April 03, 2013, 02:13:44 AM
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Seriously. Don't trust the exchanges, don't trust online wallet services, don't trust your anti-virus software, and don't trust anybody online.

If you absolutely must trust someone with your bitcoins, for the love, choose carefully!

  • Do you know their full name?
  • Do you know where they are located?
  • Have they demonstrated trustworthiness in the past?
  • Are they asking you to trust them? (red flag)
  • Do they have insurance?

Insurance? Impossible, you say. Not so!

When I needed people to trust me to hold bitcoins for a contest, I deposited 50 bitcoins as a bond with a well-respected forum member, so that even if I did something stupid and lost people's money, they would still be reimbursed. You can read about it here: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=10008.0

Consider carefully who you will trust. With bitcoins, elaborate scams may be profitable. For instance, someone may develop trust for their user name over many months with small transactions on this forum, then take advantage of that trust to make off with a lot of money. Such a scam would only be worth doing on this forum. No other forum in the world would be worth the effort.

If you want someone to hold your bitcoins for you, there are NO online services that have the transparency and security to make me comfortable using them for storing bitcoins for more than a short time in small amounts. The only way to do it is like I did - choose someone whom you believe to be trustworthy, and approach them. If they approach you, or in any way say or insinuate that they are a trustworthy person to hold your coins, STAY AWAY.

If you are thinking that I might not be trustworthy, since I am writing this post about the issue, you are approaching the appropriate level of paranoia.

If you want to store your bitcoins with maximum security, there are lots of resources about how to do it, such as this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_your_wallet

Here's my summary:

1. Put all your coins in a new wallet that has never connected to the network
2. Encrypt that wallet with the maximum security you can find, using the most secure password you can keep track of
3. Delete the plaintext wallet, and distribute the encrypted wallet to every piece of physical media you own, store it online, and send it to several people you trust

Don't think you can generate and remember a secure enough password? Create a super-long password, and store clues to help you remember it. For instance, your password clue file might say:

My standard password + My throwaway password (backwards, all caps) + &#$%@ + First two sentences of first paragraph of page 19 of my favorite book (include all capitalization and punctuation) + My wife's mother's middle name + My son's favorite superhero + My favorite number times 8734 + food my wife hates (backwards, all caps) + 9-digit number stored with my paper will + 10-character password stored in my safety deposit box + . . . .

You can go on in this way to create as long a password as you want. Store this password clue file with your encrypted wallet, and optionally encrypt both with a simple standard password to keep out snoopers.

In this way, not only can you recover your coins from your "savings account" at a later date, if you get hit by a chicken truck tomorrow and die, your loved ones can probably piece together your password and recover the coins too (better make sure you trust them, and that between them they have or can get the answers to those clues).

I recommend that you practice your wallet encryption and recovery a few times with a small number of coins, until you are very comfortable with the process before you try it with the bulk of your savings.

And remember, this is how most bitcoins services get started:



Comic from: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=13903.0







good infromation
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