Trust No One

[tredel]

Currency without trust is a currency doomed to die, But with bitcoins procedures, trust should be earned, not expected. Im not saying its smart to send your coins to a guy you knew for a few weeks, but you should'nt void away forum friends because of paranoia.

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[balmut051]

thank you very much for the exchange of experiences

[lfelicols12t]

i think you're right!!

[MrBudgens]

Thank you for the warnings

[Dr. Scientist]

Yeah serious. I'm glad there're other people on this forum that feel the same way.

[Muad dib]

This is definitely a good thread to have stickied. However ironically, even we should not trust OP because he said trust NO ONE.

However, I want to believe.

[Lang]

Thanks!! 

[emoryyrer96]

ok no problem

[williamsnider72]

thanks....

[nextnet]

Reading the OP makes me think that BTC may be a catalyst for the IT industry to significantly up the security of various devices.

BTC for the win... again!

[achilles78]

is mtgox reliable one?

[makksik]

Ugh. It was bound to happen. The irony of posting on the 'NEWB' board isn't lost upon me.

So, quick background. I'm a freelance finance journalist in Toronto and after a few days of lurking around, I decided to pull the trigger and purchase some BTC to go through the whole experience. Some friends in the office wanted some too--so we decided to go to LocalBitcoins.com and find someone willing to sell either live or via interac in Toronto. Counter party was user "Duckie" with a previous positive review. We texted back and forth--his number is +1 647 795 3222. Funds were accepted for 5 BTC and poof. A couple of hours later, a disconnected phone number and nothing, nada.

I have a header from the e-mail (his address is premiumbtc@gmail.com) he sent confirming receipt of funds and alleging transfer of BTC:

Received: by 10.50.185.232 with SMTP id ff8csp111908igc;
        Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 10.50.170.36 with SMTP id aj4mr3922913igc.67.1365987612880;
        Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <premiumbtc@gmail.com>
Received: from mail-ie0-x244.google.com (mail-ie0-x244.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::244])
        by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q9si7940887igl.58.2013.04.14.18.00.12
        (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128);
        Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of premiumbtc@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::244 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::244;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
       spf=pass (google.com: domain of premiumbtc@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=premiumbtc@gmail.com;
       dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com
Received: by mail-ie0-f196.google.com with SMTP id c10so2002039ieb.11
        for <max@XXXXXXXXX>; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
        h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id
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MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.50.192.138 with SMTP id hg10mr3823515igc.95.1365987612705;
 Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.64.136.82 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAAPeHVTJv-rnLfg_J6b0Nib1H1hbNeo9wXQQZjfrAhqRgV4YgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAPeHVTJv-rnLfg_J6b0Nib1H1hbNeo9wXQQZjfrAhqRgV4YgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:00:12 -0400
Message-ID: <CAD160-0SkLz5KZtSvRcGjWadkzaFV0T5NsQwPyBx4i10te2LzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 5 BTC - makksik
From: Premium Btc <premiumbtc@gmail.com>

Any advice?

This was my first transaction and I just feel so deluded and let down. Really grossed out.

Thanks,
Makksik

[stevguthie7]

agree on

[mattmac24]

Thanks!

[movieplayer]

Thanks a lot of the suggestion. I guess I may really need to have multiple accounts for security purpose.

[tmine]

The inernet has always scared me about using PID, bitcoin has made the possiblility of being scammed out of somehting more than just 'doxxing' and that is real money. I have spend a good deal of time in in #bitcoin-otr and have seen some painful scams people have endured. I have been very careful about stuff as a result.

[cychan2]

Sounds kinda terrible for a newbie like me. How can it be if it wanna replace real life currency?

[Vladimir Putin]

I do find it amusing there are a 100 pages of posts saying "thanks" and "great advice!" Here's another one.

[makksik]

I'd like to put out a 5 BTC bounty for whomever can reveal the person behind premiumBTC@gmail.com--they gave me a lovely welcome to the btc world---and I'd love to thank them for it in as public a way as possible...

P.S. Sorry for trolling 5 posts to get by the no trolling limits--I do have more specific discussions to get to....

[pipensa]

ok guys, this is cool!