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February 11, 2014, 02:52:01 PM
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is utipianfuture still in charge for the issuance of assets? I know an austrian company who would like to issue assets for one of their upcoming products that needs fundraising for further developments and would like to help them using nxt ae.

Who is in charge of the AE? Do we know how it will function once it is on the live network? Will I be able to issue an asset myself? How can I let the community know bout it? Where can I upload the business plan? How can the investors make sure that I am not trying to scam them?

You can use description field when you Issue Asset to include short intro and link to the plans!

So there will be no central organisation that will validate the asset issuance like utopianfuture was planning it?

That's too bad, we really need something like this. Also, cross chain transactions or whatever it's called needs to be implemented as soon as possible.
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February 11, 2014, 02:52:35 PM
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UPDATE: ClieNXT GUI

version 0.0.5 [code name] AE testnet

* this version solely works with testnet server http://holms.cloudapp.net:6874/
* Asset Exchange window has major features

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Download
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https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/downloads/clienxt_005.zip


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Usage
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* Windows users unzip the archive and run Clienxt.jar file
* Linux users unzip the archive and run in terminal ./clienxt.run &
* Mac users unzip the archive and run in terminal ./clienxt.run & (not tested, working on creating *.app file or *.pkg installer)

* Languages English, Russian only Asset Exchange window translations are missing.

NB: don't use your own accounts on "testnet"

click Unlock button to open new or existing accounts on "testnet" (unlock and watch if you have more accounts)
go to Asset Exchange window and start Trading

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Screenshots
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All available Assets


Issue Asset (fill all fields and Issue Asset, min. fee 1000)


Transfer Asset (select account that is added in Unlock window, it will detect all available Assets with their amount, fill rest fields and Transfer Asset)


My orders (all Ask and Bid orders for selected account)


Context menu (select any Asset and right click)


View Open orders (for selected Asset)


Place Order (ask or bid order for selected Asset, enter price 100 that will be considered 1, minimum price is 100)


Cancel Order (in My orders, you can select your order and right click to cancel order)


Cancel order window (requires only secret Phrase of account that placed same order)


Trade history (history of all trades for selected Asset)



Please report bugs or feature request here: https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/issues?status=new&status=open
Once client is tested, we can use it tomorrow without an issue!
Translators are very much welcome! The more languages we have the more people test Asset Exchange tomorrow.

Translators can find word list in Bundle.Properties (everything right side of "=" needs translation) here: https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/src/0a35a05b7786b2c3cf1e69ca16c0bbd48d8f953c/src/clienxt/Bundle.properties?at=master

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About messages,  I try to send message with 0 NXT fee or 1 NXT fee. But I can't send them. (No response when clicking send.)

When attaching a message to a transfer, I got such info:
[2014-02-11 15:50:17.866]Sent NXT :{"bytes":"0000684e6800a0057c407d3d74f8627325e19c52b1225b9fd0a64cd398a4a01ec3dfec822c44b32 82cc875ffe41e30a9102700000100000000000000000000002d55d01706f5a033bf3492a77a84ca 858a16cad0096290036092659aaae87702346ca361f19cdf6f4f465975521102627b515c02c2779 6d3009bde70ef0bdf3a","transaction":"5483911402105252468"}
[2014-02-11 15:50:17.903]Sent Msg :{"errorCode":4,"errorDescription":"Incorrect \"message\""}
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February 11, 2014, 02:54:01 PM
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Is it possible to issue fees for the AE? For example if Person A wants to buy 500 Assets and Person A pays 500 NXT for them, will it be possible for me as the asset owner to issue a fee of 5 NXT for this transaction?

Could anyone translate this in Russian?

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Moжнo ли нaзнaчaть cбopы в AE? Haпpимep, ecли A xoчeт кyпить 500 aкций, и A плaтит 500 NXT зa ниx, мoгy ли я, кaк "xoзяин" aкций, нaзнaчить cбop в 5 NXT зa этy cдeлкy?

Hm... I still can't get the idea. I should take a break from coding I think...
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February 11, 2014, 02:54:17 PM
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Is it possible to issue fees for the AE? For example if Person A wants to buy 500 Assets and Person A pays 500 NXT for them, will it be possible for me as the asset owner to issue a fee of 5 NXT for this transaction?

Could anyone translate this in Russian?

It appears that he, as person-A the asset issuer, wants the ability to charge person-B for the privilege of buying any qty of the asset, even when person-A buys from an external party, person-C, simply because person-A is the asset issuer.

I cant think why that would be needed.


It's not a bug. It's a reassignment.

Perhaps if the alias is found to exist and not have been changed (in terms of the "data" part) then it shouldn't be broadcast as a tx at all?


yes, in the very least, clients should implement this
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February 11, 2014, 02:54:42 PM
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This would lead to a problem...

Aha - so maybe some "client only" stuff could perhaps help the person who ended up accidentally doing what he did (not NRS itself - of course that doesn't help him at the moment if he was actually using the NRS client).

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February 11, 2014, 02:57:39 PM
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is utipianfuture still in charge for the issuance of assets? I know an austrian company who would like to issue assets for one of their upcoming products that needs fundraising for further developments and would like to help them using nxt ae.

Who is in charge of the AE? Do we know how it will function once it is on the live network? Will I be able to issue an asset myself? How can I let the community know bout it? Where can I upload the business plan? How can the investors make sure that I am not trying to scam them?

You can use description field when you Issue Asset to include short intro and link to the plans!

So there will be no central organisation that will validate the asset issuance like utopianfuture was planning it?

That's too bad, we really need something like this. Also, cross chain transactions or whatever it's called needs to be implemented as soon as possible.

AM I right if I say, that we have abolsutely no idea how the asses issuance will work, just a few weeks prior the go live of the asses exchange functionality? You can´t be serious.
The question is very simple:

How will I be able to fund my project using Nxt AE? What is the process?

CfB: Will everyone with at least 1000 Nxt be able to release an asset or will there be a manual validation prior to the issuasnce of the asset?
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February 11, 2014, 02:58:18 PM
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Cancel order in testnet does not seem to work for me. Bid placed using ClieNXT, tried to cancel with API:

Code:
https://holms.cloudapp.net:6875/nxt?requestType=cancelBidOrder&secretPhrase=[SECRETPHRASE]&order=14239583640911742797&fee=1&deadline=1
{"transaction":"8601055425027365025"}

Transaction keeps appearing as unknown:

Code:
https://holms.cloudapp.net:6875/nxt?requestType=getTransaction&transaction=8601055425027365025
{"errorCode":5,"errorDescription":"Unknown transaction"}

Bid still in order table:

Code:
https://holms.cloudapp.net:6875/nxt?requestType=getBidOrderIds&asset=11862239544331900808&timestamp=1
{"bidOrderIds":["13707244546342930361","14239583640911742797"]}

Does testnet take this long in confirmations?
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February 11, 2014, 02:58:47 PM
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U guys should understand that all transactions should be included into the blockchain. It's the only way to share the same vision of the reality.
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February 11, 2014, 02:59:16 PM
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How will I be able to fund my project using Nxt AE? What is the process?

CfB: Will everyone with at least 1000 Nxt be able to release an asset or will there be a manual validation prior to the issuasnce of the asset?

Anyone can issue an asset....the difficult part is getting people to buy the asset you issue.

If their business plan is sound then maybe investors will buy the shares.



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February 11, 2014, 02:59:46 PM
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CfB: Will everyone with at least 1000 Nxt be able to release an asset or will there be a manual validation prior to the issuasnce of the asset?

Everyone. No manual validation.
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February 11, 2014, 03:01:16 PM
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I have 2 aliases with the same name

Not possible. Provide your account number please.

What is possible is to reassign an alias. say I bought the alias "google", but I assigned a wrong URI to it. Then I would assign the alias again (with 1NXT fee) and change the URI. Only the owner of an alias can reassign it.

Another possibility that could have happened to you is that you set the deadline too short. Say you set the deadline to 1 minute, and the next block gets created after 2 minutes, then your alias assignement gets cancelled because it was not included in a block before hitting deadline.

Thanks a lot for your answer. That was also what I was thinking/understood. My account # is 18282429533886242938. The URI is exactly the same as the alias. Both aliases have now over 70 confirmations.

PS: I'm using NXT Solaris client 1.7.0.20 (x64) and NRS 0.7.2.

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February 11, 2014, 03:01:21 PM
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Cancel order in testnet does not seem to work for me. Bid placed using ClieNXT, tried to cancel with API:

Code:
https://holms.cloudapp.net:6875/nxt?requestType=cancelBidOrder&secretPhrase=[SECRETPHRASE]&order=14239583640911742797&fee=1&deadline=1
{"transaction":"8601055425027365025"}

Transaction keeps appearing as unknown:

Code:
https://holms.cloudapp.net:6875/nxt?requestType=getTransaction&transaction=8601055425027365025
{"errorCode":5,"errorDescription":"Unknown transaction"}

Bid still in order table:

Code:
https://holms.cloudapp.net:6875/nxt?requestType=getBidOrderIds&asset=11862239544331900808&timestamp=1
{"bidOrderIds":["13707244546342930361","14239583640911742797"]}

Does testnet take this long in confirmations?

Looks like the incorrect time/timezone issue.
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February 11, 2014, 03:04:43 PM
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It's not a bug. It's a reassignment.

Perhaps if the alias is found to exist and not have been changed (in terms of the "data" part) then it shouldn't be broadcast as a tx at all?


Yet another client-side check?
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February 11, 2014, 03:05:00 PM
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thanks for test coins,,. using ClientNXT

set up an asset, and tried to buy some, how many confirms does it take?


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February 11, 2014, 03:08:02 PM
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Yet another client-side check?

It makes sense that a client should such checks rather than the NRS itself - the server side is correct to assume "that you know what you are doing" so if you ask to re-assign an alias to the same value then as far as the server is concerned that is what you meant.

The other way I guess it could be resolved would be to have a "second parameter" to the alias API that states whether it is "creating" or "updating" the alias.

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February 11, 2014, 03:09:22 PM
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If i issue an asset, it costs min 1000nxt as a FEE? or as an investment in the IPO?

Then I OWN all the shares correct? and can sell them as I want.

I have created 10 shares for choco salty balls. they are asking 100nxt each. Who wants some?

edit why am I getting not enough funds error to post ask orders on shares i created?

is this because I cancelled a previous ask order and have to wait for them to reconfirm to my account?

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February 11, 2014, 03:10:40 PM
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@CfB In regards to "malleability" I have seen that "sipa" has already created a potential BIP to try and "resolve" (as best as possible) the issue for Bitcoin.

Should we not consider trying to do the same for Nxt (am not sure whether the problem in Nxt is just parts of a tx that are not signed or whether the signatures themselves are malleable which I understand has been the major problem with Bitcoin)?

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February 11, 2014, 03:11:14 PM
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UPDATE: ClieNXT GUI

version 0.0.5 [code name] AE testnet

* this version solely works with testnet server http://holms.cloudapp.net:6874/
* Asset Exchange window has major features

------
Download
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https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/downloads/clienxt_005.zip


------
Usage
------

* Windows users unzip the archive and run Clienxt.jar file
* Linux users unzip the archive and run in terminal ./clienxt.run &
* Mac users unzip the archive and run in terminal ./clienxt.run & (not tested, working on creating *.app file or *.pkg installer)

* Languages English, Russian only Asset Exchange window translations are missing.

NB: don't use your own accounts on "testnet"

click Unlock button to open new or existing accounts on "testnet" (unlock and watch if you have more accounts)
go to Asset Exchange window and start Trading

------
Screenshots
------
All available Assets


Issue Asset (fill all fields and Issue Asset, min. fee 1000)


Transfer Asset (select account that is added in Unlock window, it will detect all available Assets with their amount, fill rest fields and Transfer Asset)


My orders (all Ask and Bid orders for selected account)


Context menu (select any Asset and right click)


View Open orders (for selected Asset)


Place Order (ask or bid order for selected Asset, enter price 100 that will be considered 1, minimum price is 100)


Cancel Order (in My orders, you can select your order and right click to cancel order)


Cancel order window (requires only secret Phrase of account that placed same order)


Trade history (history of all trades for selected Asset)



Please report bugs or feature request here: https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/issues?status=new&status=open
Once client is tested, we can use it tomorrow without an issue!
Translators are very much welcome! The more languages we have the more people test Asset Exchange tomorrow.

Translators can find word list in Bundle.Properties (everything right side of "=" needs translation) here: https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/src/0a35a05b7786b2c3cf1e69ca16c0bbd48d8f953c/src/clienxt/Bundle.properties?at=master

If you like my work, donate nxt 13792774143018875909 and thank you very much for all supports.

how to start the "place order" dialogue window? I can not find it

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February 11, 2014, 03:12:12 PM
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@CfB In regards to "malleability" I have seen that "sipa" has already created a potential BIP to try and "resolve" (as best as possible) the issue for Bitcoin.

Should we not consider trying to do the same for Nxt (am not sure whether the problem in Nxt is just parts of a tx that are not signed or whether the signatures themselves are malleable which I understand has been the major problem with Bitcoin)?


Maybe we should do it for Nxt too. Discuss or just vote?  Wink
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So what are people testing this thing on. Do we have an experimental nrs version out now that lets you issue test assets?

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