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February 12, 2014, 04:43:12 PM
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Optimized the getMilestoneBlockIds protocol. This is the peer to peer
request that currently puts the most load on the public nodes, and is a
cause of a large amount of unnecessary outbound traffic. However, for
backwards compatibility, version 0.7.3 still supports both the old
and the improved getMilestoneBlockIds protocols, so when older clients
connect to 0.7.3 nodes they will still cause unnecessary load and
extra traffic, unfortunately.

THIS!
We need to upgrade our nodes to 0.7.3 as fast as we can. It should save us a lot of traffic. Especially it should be interested to all RasPi owners.
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February 12, 2014, 04:43:54 PM
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DogeCoin goes on par with Peercoin - http://coinmarketcap.com/

when a clone can compete with its parent with no conceivable advantage, this is very dangerous indeed for the idea of digital scarcity. this is very troubling.

Dogecoin is far more popular than Peercoin, it's been pretty much determined to climb up.

It does actually have great advantage: popularity.
Basically Peercoin has no marketing...Nxt cannot suffer the same faith...we have to adopt Dogecoin marketing best practices.




doge needs marketing because it has no substance. we dont need marketing because we do have substance. granted we need to communicate the relevant facts about nxt in a calm and orderly fashion to those who are not aware of those facts. i suppose you could call that marketing. but this is what marketing means to doge, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3oiThw2RxE this we absolutely do not need.

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When the doge bubble pops, it will be catastrophic.  The doge price is unsustainable because doge doesn't offer any advantages over bitcoin.

I humbly disagree with both of you.  Digital scarcity is a contradiction in terms,  And Doge offers the little guy coins at a small price, miners the ability to mine at lower difficulty level, and speculators a new beach ball to throw around.  Bitcoin has lost the ability to offer any of these things.

If digital scarcity is a contradiction in terms than why are you so involved in crypto? I mean that would necessarily make investment in any crypto a bad investment?

Any cryptocoin can generate as many or as few of its coins as it wants.  The scarcity aspect of any fiat or crypto currency  is a socially agreed upon factor.  Scarcity only exists as a true factor in precious metals, which is why you are setting up a silver exchange.   I am not into crypto to take advantage of scarcity, but to enforce the originally agreed upon level of scarcity by preventing centralized entities like the US Fed to print trillions of dollars at will.  A well run crypto will never see hyperinflation.  Speculator runnup maybe but not hyperinflation.

ok but this is an admission that digital scarcity exists so long as that agreement holds right?

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February 12, 2014, 04:45:18 PM
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Code:
[2014-02-12 22:46:03.661] DEBUG: Blacklisting vps1.nxtcrypto.org because of: Invalid timestamp: 6925580 current time is 6925564, previous block timestamp is 6925570

Hey, who is the owner? You node run too fast!
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February 12, 2014, 04:45:39 PM
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Who is currently working on parallel chains?

Noone I think.

Well, then somebody should do it. Or at least some smart guys should talk about it.
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February 12, 2014, 04:55:57 PM
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The list of opcodes, added function invocation opcode.

All numbers r signed 64-bit integers when accessing Data and signed 32-bit integers when referring to Code.


Legend: C - constant, M - memory

M = C
M = M
M = M + M
M = M - M
M = M * M
M = M / M
M = M % M

M = ~M
M = M & M
M = M | M
M = M ^ M
M = M << M
M = M >> M
M = M >>> M

M == M @ C (this is read as "if M1 equals M2 then jump to instruction at position C")
M != M @ C
M < M @ C
M <= M @ C
M > M @ C
M >= M @ C
@ M (this is an unconditional jump)

$C M (invokes a function C and feeds it with the data stored in [M, ...])



Looks like this set of opcodes is enough. Functionality could be extended by adding new functions. Could someone check the opcodes, plz?
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February 12, 2014, 04:57:30 PM
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BullDoge imo is just this: "look Doge crowd - we have a network here (NXT) network, that is stronger than Bitcoin"

That's all, just to look in our direction.

Like this?



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or like this

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February 12, 2014, 04:59:14 PM
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Who is currently working on parallel chains?

Noone I think.

Well, then somebody should do it. Or at least some smart guys should talk about it.

Doing a search for parallel chains returns depressingly few results. Nothing over at the Nxt wiki, either.
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February 12, 2014, 04:59:38 PM
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Code:
[2014-02-12 22:46:03.661] DEBUG: Blacklisting vps1.nxtcrypto.org because of: Invalid timestamp: 6925580 current time is 6925564, previous block timestamp is 6925570

Hey, who is the owner? You node run too fast!

results of 'date -u' on that server is dead on to just 2 secs of UTC.
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February 12, 2014, 05:02:24 PM
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The list of opcodes, added function invocation opcode.

All numbers r signed 64-bit integers when accessing Data and signed 32-bit integers when referring to Code.


Legend: C - constant, M - memory

M = C
M = M
M = M + M
M = M - M
M = M * M
M = M / M
M = M % M

M = ~M
M = M & M
M = M | M
M = M ^ M
M = M << M
M = M >> M
M = M >>> M

M == M @ C (this is read as "if M1 equals M2 then jump to instruction at position C")
M != M @ C
M < M @ C
M <= M @ C
M > M @ C
M >= M @ C
@ M (this is an unconditional jump)

$C M (invokes a function C and feeds it with the data stored in [M, ...])



Looks like this set of opcodes is enough. Functionality could be extended by adding new functions. Could someone check the opcodes, plz?
What about "@ C"?  
Also, what is supposed to be a stack pointer? Since you have functions. Why don't use stack for argument passing? This looks like a very weird calling convention.

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February 12, 2014, 05:05:09 PM
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Hive, BitAngels and Mastercoin guys, + many many others. We ale looking for a speaker at the San Francisco conf Smiley Everyone is so excited about Nxt, it is easy with nice T-shirts we have thanks tu admiral.fu

Texas guys are here, so the speaker is for sure.

Still only 2 Barbie girls, so not much fun, only business talks...

About those Texas guys - please find Paul Snow and ask him to verify me as a speaker for nxt in Austin.

yes we spoke with Paul a few times for quite a lot of time... It's settled up... I even had to sign some papers with my blood

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February 12, 2014, 05:05:40 PM
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I've just received 2k testNXT on 13059486463768853028
Was it supposed to happen?  Huh
CfB?

Why not?
I thought I will receive 200k not 2k?
Or did I missunderstood something?
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February 12, 2014, 05:05:56 PM
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Doing a search for parallel chains returns depressingly few results. Nothing over at the Nxt wiki, either.

Ask Anon136, he had some good ideas.
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February 12, 2014, 05:06:24 PM
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I thought I will receive 200k not 2k?
Or did I missunderstood something?

Prices r in CENTS.
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February 12, 2014, 05:06:27 PM
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I've just received 2k testNXT on 13059486463768853028
Was it supposed to happen?  Huh
CfB?

Use it. Wink Try to kill the testnet with it. Try every functionality.
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February 12, 2014, 05:07:39 PM
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DogeCoin goes on par with Peercoin - http://coinmarketcap.com/

when a clone can compete with its parent with no conceivable advantage, this is very dangerous indeed for the idea of digital scarcity. this is very troubling.

Dogecoin is far more popular than Peercoin, it's been pretty much determined to climb up.

It does actually have great advantage: popularity.
Basically Peercoin has no marketing...Nxt cannot suffer the same faith...we have to adopt Dogecoin marketing best practices.




doge needs marketing because it has no substance. we dont need marketing because we do have substance. granted we need to communicate the relevant facts about nxt in a calm and orderly fashion to those who are not aware of those facts. i suppose you could call that marketing. but this is what marketing means to doge, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3oiThw2RxE this we absolutely do not need.

+1

When the doge bubble pops, it will be catastrophic.  The doge price is unsustainable because doge doesn't offer any advantages over bitcoin.

I humbly disagree with both of you.  Digital scarcity is a contradiction in terms,  And Doge offers the little guy coins at a small price, miners the ability to mine at lower difficulty level, and speculators a new beach ball to throw around.  Bitcoin has lost the ability to offer any of these things.

If digital scarcity is a contradiction in terms than why are you so involved in crypto? I mean that would necessarily make investment in any crypto a bad investment?

Any cryptocoin can generate as many or as few of its coins as it wants.  The scarcity aspect of any fiat or crypto currency  is a socially agreed upon factor.  Scarcity only exists as a true factor in precious metals, which is why you are setting up a silver exchange.   I am not into crypto to take advantage of scarcity, but to enforce the originally agreed upon level of scarcity by preventing centralized entities like the US Fed to print trillions of dollars at will.  A well run crypto will never see hyperinflation.  Speculator runnup maybe but not hyperinflation.

ok but this is an admission that digital scarcity exists so long as that agreement holds right?

Yes but to me this is an odd way of phrasing it.  People choose to join a crypto based not on its perceived scarcity but on its adequacy and sufficiency to meet their personal needs.  They will leave a crypto for another one if the old one fails to meet personal needs and the new one does.   Only physical objects can be scarce.  If a digital item is scarce it is only because a centralized power broker says so and others accept that assertion.
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February 12, 2014, 05:08:07 PM
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BullDoge imo is just this: "look Doge crowd - we have a network here (NXT) network, that is stronger than Bitcoin"

That's all, just to look in our direction.

Like this?



 Grin

or like this



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February 12, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
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Agreed. But don't you think we need to differentiate between fixed/dynamic assets?
There's no point, as all assets are issued and backed by some entity (human or a company). You either trust the issuing entity or you don't.

Not sure if this has been put to rest, but I think it would be great when issuing an Asset if you could elect "Fixed" or "Dynamic" and that F or D would be shown in the list of Asset's.  If it's fixed, you are unable to issue any more assets.
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February 12, 2014, 05:09:02 PM
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ad-fu + l8rrie
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February 12, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
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The list of opcodes, added function invocation opcode.

All numbers r signed 64-bit integers when accessing Data and signed 32-bit integers when referring to Code.


Legend: C - constant, M - memory

M = C
M = M
M = M + M
M = M - M
M = M * M
M = M / M
M = M % M

M = ~M
M = M & M
M = M | M
M = M ^ M
M = M << M
M = M >> M
M = M >>> M

M == M @ C (this is read as "if M1 equals M2 then jump to instruction at position C")
M != M @ C
M < M @ C
M <= M @ C
M > M @ C
M >= M @ C
@ M (this is an unconditional jump)

$C M (invokes a function C and feeds it with the data stored in [M, ...])



Looks like this set of opcodes is enough. Functionality could be extended by adding new functions. Could someone check the opcodes, plz?
What about "@ C"?  
Also, what is supposed to be a stack pointer? Since you have functions. Why don't use stack for argument passing? This looks like a very weird calling convention.

Agree.

Let's get this straight: you want function calls (which I definitely understand) so use stacks.

You also need a way to return back.

A 'function call' that cannot return to its point of origin is not a function call.

Btw. functions calls are already there for you in many many high level languages. As we definitely need a VM, it pretty straightforward how to implement that low level feature.
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February 12, 2014, 05:16:52 PM
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I thought I will receive 200k not 2k?
Or did I missunderstood something?

Prices r in CENTS.
Ok thank you Smiley I missunderstood it Smiley
So another question:
This Test Net is for testing the Asset Exchange and it is only existing to test this?
So the plan is to implement this asset Exchange in the real network in the future and this test net will be deleted then? Is this right?
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