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February 14, 2014, 06:43:25 AM
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BINGO !
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February 14, 2014, 06:45:14 AM
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Update Vircurex: Still nothing from there side, so no feedback from them regarding the missing deposit.  Angry
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February 14, 2014, 06:57:45 AM
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How?  
What you want is called Secure Function Evaluation. Fully homomorphic encryption just means you can execute a function on someone else's computer and they don't know what you computed, but you still know everything. At least, in theory, in practice this is way too slow.  

http://www.proproco.co.uk/million.html -> unfortunately, Yao's solution is interactive (they require constant cooperation between all parties)
A possible solution is presented in http://www.iacr.org/archive/eurocrypt2000/1807/18070340-new.pdf

It's just a guess that we could use it for Mixing. Maybe we can't.
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February 14, 2014, 07:12:54 AM
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Update Vircurex: Still nothing from there side, so no feedback from them regarding the missing deposit.  Angry
I tested a vircurex deposit and while nothing ever ended up in my vircurex acct, the deposit is just sitting there in the deposit address they gave me to use. Did you check to see if your deposit is in the NXT address you sent it to? If so, it could just be a delay caused by all the BTC problems. They are probably manually checking all withdrawals and maybe even deposits.

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February 14, 2014, 07:13:09 AM
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I've been watching NXT for few days now and I've always had this question regarding adding NXT to Cryptsy as requested by 228 people here:
https://cryptsy.freshdesk.com/support/discussions/topics/44434

The NXT intro video says at 0:33 that we don't have to pay fees to exchanges like Cryptsy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktMGC-Nq9Zo

Couldn't this be the main reason why Cryptsy hasn't added NXT yet?

no i dont think so. nxt simply isnt plug and play like other coins. thats why it isnt on cryptsy.

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February 14, 2014, 07:28:24 AM
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Happy Valentines Day Nxt!  Grin



This is how i celebrated my Valentines day today.
By posting a love message on a Tall Billboard in central Melbourne City of Australia, to show how much i care!

Loves in the Air ♡♡


If anyone else want to try, you can send sms with two names with a space in the middle to 0499 695 683. Just add international code, can't guarantee it will work for overseas. (+61)

They will send back you the picture.

I did it by sending the msg "We Nxt"
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February 14, 2014, 07:30:27 AM
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I want to inform you all that bter indeed sent me my 100k already. Thanks for all that helped. So basically the drone in charge of support@bter.com cannot access any information and simply replies out of thier ass, After serious emails back and forth and many information submitted by from thier own systems, They gave in and actually forwarded my complain to the people in charge, was solved a couple of hours afterwards.

- Lophie

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February 14, 2014, 07:31:36 AM
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I want to inform you all that bter indeed sent me my 100k already. Thanks for all that helped. So basically the drone in charge of support@bter.com cannot access any information and simply replies out of thier ass, After serious emails back and forth and many information submitted by from thier own systems, They gave in and actually forwarded my complain to the people in charge, was solved a couple of hours afterwards.

- Lophie

congrats Smiley

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February 14, 2014, 07:47:19 AM
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Happy Valentines Day Nxt!  Grin



This is how i celebrated my Valentines day today.
By posting a love message on a Tall Billboard in central Melbourne City of Australia, to show how much i care!

Loves in the Air ♡♡


If anyone else want to try, you can send sms with two names with a space in the middle to 0499 695 683. Just add international code, can't guarantee it will work for overseas. (+61)

They will send back you the picture.

I did it by sending the msg "We Nxt"

+1

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February 14, 2014, 08:02:40 AM
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Lots of great NXT websites and portals popping up all over the place!  You know what we need?  UNIFIED LOG IN.

Idea: NXT alias as OpenID extension.

Step 1:
Modify the OpenID Consumer architecture to validate a NXT alias with an Authorization token using custom URI scheme  (ie: nxt://alias/johnny_appleseed).  The Consumer in this case (ie: a website) would be able to authorize the user as alias using the NXT blockchain and would theoretically NOT NEED a Provider.

Step 2:
NXT Community website operate a 'real' OpenID Provider (for adoption and integration into the much larger OpenID ecosystem):
Something like http://www.nxtid.org/alias/johnny_appleseed (website invalid)

Step 3:
Spread the NXT URI scheme to OpenID RFC so it can be used anywhere OpenID is used!

Thinking out loud...  Hope that by posting idea here, someone else will do all the ugly work of actually making it happen!


edit: Since authorization tokens include a timestamp, access using a specific token could be restricted by age to increase login security.

A reference for you: https://nameid.org/

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February 14, 2014, 08:06:24 AM
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http://holms.cloudapp.net:6874/ down?
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February 14, 2014, 08:14:09 AM
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how are the AE tests going on? any results? updates? ...like everything works well? or ....is not ready yet need more ajustments?

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February 14, 2014, 08:16:13 AM
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Happy Valentines Day Nxt!  Grin

http://oi62.tinypic.com/14mt5z6.jpg

This is how i celebrated my Valentines day today.
By posting a love message on a Tall Billboard in central Melbourne City of Australia, to show how much i care!

Loves in the Air ♡♡


If anyone else want to try, you can send sms with two names with a space in the middle to 0499 695 683. Just add international code, can't guarantee it will work for overseas. (+61)

They will send back you the picture.

I did it by sending the msg "We Nxt"


Worked well Smiley

http://i61.tinypic.com/wrj9mf.jpg
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February 14, 2014, 08:19:22 AM
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for non australian, what is sending to your phone when you send the sms<?

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February 14, 2014, 08:31:59 AM
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Up again. Thanks!
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February 14, 2014, 08:37:14 AM
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I relaunched it but blockchain was corrupted. Tomorrow I'll deploy changes and will send testcoins again.
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February 14, 2014, 08:37:48 AM
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Assets are all gone?
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February 14, 2014, 08:40:23 AM
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Yes, we rolled back to previous copy.
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February 14, 2014, 08:41:33 AM
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Oh shit... first BTC crashes and now I've lost my 2.000.000 M&Ms... SCAM!

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February 14, 2014, 08:48:24 AM
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you send btc*1 to bob. bob sends BobsBtcToken*1 to you. you go onto the orderbook for BobsBtcTokens and fill a buy order. Nxt appears in your account. Now you find a ltc gateway. Say betty seems the most trustworthy. Fill a sell order for BettysLtcTokens. Receive BettysLtcTokens*X. Send BettysLtcTokens*X to Betty's nxt address with a message containing your ltc address. Wait for ltc to arrive.

It seems overly complicated now but it'll feel natural once it gets rolling and everyone gets used to it. All steps serve their purpose, these extra steps are the cost of decentralization.

If I read this right - 'No escrow' or atomic completion?
so buyer beware....
Keep in mind this is the first step on the path toward fully automated DAC gateways. Also, to remove the confusion that is inherent in having many different Assets that are all representing the same thing I think it is crucial that we consolidate all assets of the same denomination to a single community asset. This will allow all users to go to a single asset name within AE for BTC and ALL the bids and asks for BTC within AE will be for BTC backed by the federation of gateways. All the federation members take blood oaths, trade first born children, etc. so they work out a way to trust each other. This shifts the risk of choosing the right gateway from the hapless end user who has no clue which gateway is better to each gateway itself. A much better chance of making correct decisions. In the event one of the gateways is lacking somehow, the other gateways could require posting of a bond to cover the risk.

HOWEVER, I think I might have a way to allow all the gateways to trust each other without any bodily parts being involved. I do need somebody who is familiar with multisig to confirm this, or more likely correct where I am being plain silly.

I do not see a problem with deposits of crypto, the end user sends in the crypto to a deposit address and the gateway sweeps it into an account. The problem is with the withdrawal, eg. since I am proposing all assets that represent BTC be fungible with each other, each gateway needs to have access to potentially all the actual BTC.

So, we have a possible solution where all the gateways sweep into a common account. Wait! If all gateways are able to withdraw from it, then if ANY gateway gets hacked or hypnotized by Evil Bob, all the deposits are gone. Not good at all.

This is where I think multisig comes in. What if the sweep account is a multisig acct. All the gateways can easily sweep into the multisig acct, since it is just a matter of sending coin to the right address. Now on withdraw, if we required the signatures from all gateways to do a withdrawal (or super majority?), then no gateway would be able to take off with the deposits, unless all gateways (or super majority) turn evil at the same time.

No I dont know how multisig works well enough to know if this will work, but IF there is a way to do a safe remote multisig authorization and all the gateways are using the same business logic to approve withdrawals, eg. proper AM was sent with appropriate asset, then I think this could work.

Not totally trustless, but as long as all (or super majority) of gateways dont spontaneously turn evil, I think the community would be able to rely on the federation of gateways.

I hope somebody that knows about multisig and another somebody that knows about secure remote signing will be able to validate this, or fix it so it works

James

P.S. I just figured out that we can use a set of AM's for secure remote signing. Granted it is a lot of AM to send if we had to do it for each withdrawal, so maybe we only invoke this level when the amount is larger than the bond put up by the gateway. I think this is getting close to a real solution. Smart guys, please help!!
IMO,it is like XRP gateway.Right?

just like it only without a central point of weakness
And fully automated gateways that automatically peer review each other AND is guaranteed to be 100% backed by actual BTC and nobody has to fiddle with trustlines, etc. This is just like XRP except everything is better!

Since nobody that knows exactly how multisig works, I will try to read up on it and see if this really does the trick. If it does, that means we get somewhat decentralized automatic gateways that we can can trust. All the gateway deposits and withdrawals will be publicly viewable, so there are no controversies in that area. If ever anything like lophie is going happened, it would just be a matter of looking in the NXT blockchain, reparse the AM's and find out where it went.

We probably need to have some sort of manual "fix it" mechanism, but this should be a pretty rare event. All the gateways would have to work together to clear this up. Maybe all minus 1, in case one of the gateways goes MIA, wouldn't want all the funds to become inaccessible. Maybe a deadman's switch can be invoked in case one of the gateways goes away and the key delivered to an independent party. I heard about an electronic escrow service that can be setup for this.

Notice that even if one of the gateways goes defunct, nobody loses anything. At that point, the missing gateways passkey  would be used one last time to transfer all the funds to a new account with appropriate new multisig signers. So no gateway can withdraw any money that all the other gateways dont approve. It seems safer than any centralized exchange to me, but I hope someone more versed in this stuff will comment.

The more I think about this, the more I think it could work. I just wish I knew more details about how multisig works...

James
any detailed info about multisig?

 
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