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January 17, 2014, 04:59:02 PM
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Did anyone tested the NEW version of the solaris client!

awesome work marcus03!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412138.0


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January 17, 2014, 05:02:42 PM
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I will provide them to you.

Winners can you sent me the accountnumbers please

Thank u.

Btw, I noticed u do a lot of work for free, send ur account too, plz.
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January 17, 2014, 05:04:36 PM
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@CFB.  I have a question regarding AM.  Can we make messages sent to any particular account public?  I was thinking we could use public messages as a feedback/trust system.  For example, if account "x" was selling something, I could go on blockchain explorer, lookup up that particular account, view public messages sent from previous users who had successfully purchased from account "x".  Thanks.

They r public by default.
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January 17, 2014, 05:06:02 PM
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CfB,

result of the rewards vote for sites and social media.

would you be so kind to pay the people that won, thank you.

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Mac Red       42 (16%)
yulkisa       39 (14.9%)
Damelon       13 (5%)
Passion_ltc       11 (4.2%)
Coinonaer       8 (3.1%)
apenzl       3 (1.1%)
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1) 50,000
2) 30,000
3) 20,000
4) 5,000
5) 5,000
6) 5,000
7) 5,000
8)3,000
9)3,000
10)3,000
11)2,000


Any chance that u have their accounts ready?

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January 17, 2014, 05:06:20 PM
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Winners can you sent me the accountnumbers please
Done sir! Smiley(PM'ed u)
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January 17, 2014, 05:06:51 PM
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[need coffee, somehow quote of colored coin threads and BTC asset fragmentation was dropped...]

Anything is possible. For something like that to work, it would require N participants to all agree to honor each others coins at 1:1

For example, the people that end up with the asset names: "BTC", "BTC2", "BTCxyx", etc all agree that they will redeem each others BTC for actual BTC.

The only problem is if something goes wrong, eg. issuer of "BTC2" gets hit by a bus. What happens? Everyone with BTC2 redeems it at the other issuers, so now all the participants have a bunch of BTC2, but he is no more. On a small scale, it would work like a group self-insuring, but what if we are talking about 100BTC worth?

I don't think that approach will work at large scales, due to "hit by bus" scenario.

OK, so plan B.

Let us assume there is a group account that holds all the BTC that backs the Assets issued by all the group members and there was a mechanism for deposits and withdrawals to be processed that can be trusted, it could work.

On deposit to any of the BTC variants, actual BTC goes to BTC variant holder, they issue the BTC variant asset and deposit to shared BTC acct.

On withdrawal, anybody that holds any of the BTC variants can redeem it from the shared BTC acct directly using automated mechanism that recognizes all the BTC variants. This side actually seems doable.

The key to make this work is enforcing the "they issue the BTC variant asset and deposit to shared BTC acct". We cannot control when an account issues an Asset. However, we can track in realtime all issued BTC variants and all deposits credited to that variant. Some sort of realtime audit system could then disable withdrawals for any BTC variant that goes out of balance, with associated public message as to the problem issuer's status.

In order to make that foolproof, all participating issuers would need to NOT issue their asset, until there was confirmation of deposit into the shared acct.

So, my long answer, is yes, this is possible, though ultimately boils down to all participants needing to trust the deposit/withdrawal software and all following strict rules of issuing assets.

James

I am not sure if exactly this is what needs to be applied but something similar sounds very logical. We can not just leace things in a way in which the seller can cheat the buyer.

I was thinking about implementing a system like Freelancers Milestone Payments, where everything works in their way, with the difference, that if dispute arrives, the third party is not one centralised person or node, but, 51% or at least some major part of the network.
In addition, in cases in which disput is present, the network is forced to vote and solve the dispute, as for this voting, each participant some small amount of NXT/BTC, part of the deal, which took place between the two problematic parties.
This way, as two parties know that if they can not make 51% of the people to support their side if they try to cheat (e.g. realise this is impossible), and in the same time, if they know that in cases in which they make problematic disputes (when trying to cheat), they pay penalty fees for this and at the end to not succeed to cheat, they will in the long run simply stop trying to cheat and everything will go smoothly.

If you are not faimliar with Freelancers Milestone system, this is how it works:

Party A sends money to Party B, but money are "stuck" in the middle, where no one can use them, A can not get them back and B can not receive them entirely.
Party B makes payment (online service, or sends product) to A in a similar way,then, A has receieve the product, but has already sent money and can not get them back. So A have even no interest to lie. Then A sends himself the money to B (to be more precise, finishes the milestone payment, and transfer the money stuck in the middle finally to B), or, if he decides to cheat, he says: I will not finish the milestone payment to B, he didnt send me the BTC (he lies).  Then the majority of the network asks B, is this true, and B shows a BTC blockchain transaction reference, which with arbitrary message can be applied to the deal as a referal note, so he proves that he has sent exactly this amount to exacty A's address for exactly this deal. Then, the 51% (or some big enough part) of the community sends the money finally to B (only A or 51% of the comunity has the power to do this action). At the end, for A trying to cheat, he is penalized for some amount of money in the next deal he tries to make in the network, and the penalty is spread over the network as fee which can be forged, as there is a written exception that only A can not forge that fee.

What developers think about this and can  it be implemented? We need to establish 100% trustfull system, current way is no working in practise.

Also please link to colored coins and what they have to do with trustfullness.

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January 17, 2014, 05:08:24 PM
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Europe (and US?) have been quite convincingly trampled by the Russians and Chinese.  Grin
Only Sweden managed to put up a fight for the votes Smiley

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January 17, 2014, 05:08:37 PM
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@CFB.  I have a question regarding AM.  Can we make messages sent to any particular account public?  I was thinking we could use public messages as a feedback/trust system.  For example, if account "x" was selling something, I could go on blockchain explorer, lookup up that particular account, view public messages sent from previous users who had successfully purchased from account "x".  Thanks.

They r public by default.

Great, that's what I thought.  I'll see if nexern would be able to implement into Blockchain
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January 17, 2014, 05:09:12 PM
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Any chance of API calls to let NRS do encryption, decryption, signing and verification for clients?

This is insecure, we r moving away of this.

Nobody wants to deal with the secret... :-)

What we need is open source APIs on top of or replacing NRS for lots of platforms. Maybe for Windows minusbalancer can deliver.


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January 17, 2014, 05:10:49 PM
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CfB,

result of the rewards vote for sites and social media.

would you be so kind to pay the people that won, thank you.

S3MKi               82 (31.3%)
allwelder       57 (21.8%)
Mac Red       42 (16%)
yulkisa       39 (14.9%)
Damelon       13 (5%)
Passion_ltc       11 (4.2%)
Coinonaer       8 (3.1%)
apenzl       3 (1.1%)
Mises_77       3 (1.1%)
pablito89       2 (0.8%)
^[GS]^       2 (0.8%)


1) 50,000
2) 30,000
3) 20,000
4) 5,000
5) 5,000
6) 5,000
7) 5,000
8)3,000
9)3,000
10)3,000
11)2,000


Any chance that u have their accounts ready?

Mine is: 129363848670158502
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January 17, 2014, 05:13:26 PM
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I updated my server (http://88.198.210.245:7875/) to show BCNext the stock exchange interface. U can take a look and post ur suggestions/improvements. Tomorrow the development will be continued.
Click "Apple" icon in the bottom to open the exchange. If u log with "1" secret phrase u can see an asset issued by this account.

so this is ready? Smiley
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January 17, 2014, 05:15:49 PM
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I'm going to create Nxt Faucet that looks like a small widget, so it could be embedded into a HTML page as IFRAME. If u have a website and willing to add the widget to it, tell me what width and height is better. Is 240x320 good enough?

is this prepared? Smiley
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January 17, 2014, 05:17:27 PM
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Since I need to take a day off of programming, here's the first version of my, yet unnamed, NXT client for Windows.
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I'm releasing version 1.1. of my Windows NXT client (still no personal account management, NTX transfer options in it or anything that needs your account secret).

Version 1.2. of my Windows NXT client "NXT Solaris" is available: ...



Here is version 1.3 of my Windows NXT client "NXT Solaris".

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NXTSolaris-v1.3.zip (39.2 MB) – Download here

SHA256 checksum for NXTSolaris-v1.3.zip: 95B5139E599EFD404E6D317D0A366483E6E30198CE8C3CA14B8CAAE6D3B63C92

SHA256 checksum for nxtapi.dll (v1.3): 2734F788249EF7A1E5836102D66FD97521B0F46E04E95508ABEDDF437468B46D
SHA256 checksum for NXTSolaris.exe (v1.3): 283B18858920FA67BFE8E8CC6EAE5692BE342290FC12D6EA5EF341A67789B288





For more screenshots, please visit: http://nxtsolaris.wordpress.com/


Installation
Simply unzip the archive and run the NXTSolaris.exe file.

If you tried a previous version, simply overwrite all existing files, with the files in the v1.3 zip archive.


Changes for v1.3
-Moved all http API calls and the secret input dialog to a separate open-source dll (source is included together with a a build.bat file)
-Added “Send NXT” function
-Added “Send message” function
-Added “Assign alias” function
-Added alias and message list in personal account management
-Added address book
-Got rid of the ugly button toolbars and switched to a ribbon interface
-Now showing Date/Time of last transaction in the personal account management (also defines the sort order)
-Showing cumulativeDifficulty and totalEffectiveBalance on the status page
-Showing chance to forge in personal account management
-Attachment columns in transactions lists now show decoded plain text messages as a hint
-Bug fix: Public keys in the account lists could get lost
-Fixed logging
-A bunch of other small GUI changes

My TODO list for the next versions in no special order
-Create “new account” function in the API dll (including secure password generator)
-Market data charts
-Show value of NXT in fiat currencies
-Offer a simple and advanced GUI, with the simple GUI targeted at new and casual users
-Orphan cleanup
-Bundle NRS with NXT Solaris (or maybe switch to another implementation if it is available)
-Arbitrary message encryption
-Reed Solomon addresses
-GUI and data retrieval optimization
-Asset exchange support

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I hope you like my client and I’d be extremely happy to see some donations for the future of this project!

NXT: 1758531264253431177


Can I connect to a hosted (VPS) server? Can it use https or just http?

Edit: Nevermind it's going, just took a while. Looks great! Keep up the hard work. Thanks!

NXT VPS Server Donations can be sent here: 6044921191674841550
At the end of each month I will donate some of them back to the community.
This is separate from my main wallet so you can keep track of them. I will keep them in there and only use them for hosting.
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January 17, 2014, 05:21:26 PM
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I'm going to create Nxt Faucet that looks like a small widget, so it could be embedded into a HTML page as IFRAME. If u have a website and willing to add the widget to it, tell me what width and height is better. Is 240x320 good enough?

is this prepared? Smiley

No, later the community convinced me that it's a bad idea.
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January 17, 2014, 05:28:48 PM
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Come-from-Beyond:
once you said something like: BCNext's code looks like it was programmed by someone who was programming a lot in (language I don't remember) in the 1990s... I cannot find this citation now. Do you remember what language it was? Cheesy
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January 17, 2014, 05:29:17 PM
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I've started API.

Two calls are now available: trades and orders.

So if you need data, check out https://nxtchg.com/api.php


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January 17, 2014, 05:29:23 PM
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Come-from-Beyond:
once you said something like: BCNext's code looks like it was programmed by someone who was programming a lot in (language I don't remember) in the 1990s... I cannot find this citation now. Do you remember what language it was? Cheesy

Assembly

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January 17, 2014, 05:35:24 PM
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Important announcement

BCNext devised a way to handover unclaimed coins in such a way that doesn't require multisig and still keeps the spirit of decentralization.

BCNext will choose 10 people. I'll contact these people privately to ask for an account id. Each of them will create a special account and send it to me. 1M NXT will be sent to each account (10M total, not 9M, so the community is supposed to subsidize the public nodes by itself). Jean-Luc will be asked to add a special code that blocks outgoing transactions from these special accounts. When the community decides how to spend part of the unclaimed coins, Jean-Luc will change the code to allow partial withdrawals possible. 10 chosen ones will send 1/10th of the required amount to the account the funds r supposed to go to.

Notes: Only account ids will be published, names of the people who control them will be known only to BCNext and me. Jean-Luc won't be included into this group. The goal of this obscurity is to remove community pressure on the chosen ones.

Discuss, the community may put veto on this approach.
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January 17, 2014, 05:36:53 PM
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Come-from-Beyond:
once you said something like: BCNext's code looks like it was programmed by someone who was programming a lot in (language I don't remember) in the 1990s... I cannot find this citation now. Do you remember what language it was? Cheesy

http://www.reddit.com/r/nxtcoin/comments/1toz2d/warning_nxt_source_code_is_very_low_quality/ceafrr3

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January 17, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
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Important announcement

BCNext devised a way to handover unclaimed coins in such a way that doesn't require multisig and still keeps the spirit of decentralization.


I like it!

NXT VPS Server Donations can be sent here: 6044921191674841550
At the end of each month I will donate some of them back to the community.
This is separate from my main wallet so you can keep track of them. I will keep them in there and only use them for hosting.
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