NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[klee]

We are a team of people (me, salsacz, nifty, justabit and a few more) who have worked hard on NXT marketing and organizing for over a month and we have not been paid shit for it and none of us are stakeholders.
And even the times we have plead with the community to start giving funding to these projects that is the corner stone of succes: we get zero recognition for it.

There is a distinct bias towards dev work in the community.
Not surprising, seeing the initial group that would use any crypto, especially an innovative one.

However, I've seen a lot of work seen go unrecognised, too.
The people who keep the sites and wikis running spend hours a day keeping stuff up to date.
If the sites weren't there, this would be the only place Nxt would be seen and it would fail.

Also, the calls for funds do not go into the pockets of these people as "stash" but are prespent on buying domains, webspace, or tickets to go to conferences.

I already said earlier there is a tendency to negatively comment on marketing, as if it's in some way dirty and people asking for funds are asking for free Nxt.
Not by all, but it's there. Imagine if that were done to the devs who put in shitloads of hours.

I can't speak for others, but the time and money I put in is spent because
a) I believe in Nxt and want it to succeed.
b) I don't have dev skills, but don't just want to sit on the side, but actually contribute.

To hear someone say that such people are shitheads that basically think they are great and the devs are not makes me more than a little angry.

Now, having said that, I am going to eat, chill a bit and come back with some more positive attitude.

Just send you some NXT, I like your blog because sometimes I don't watch closely this thread for a couple of days and you helped me to keep up.

Kudos.

[xibeijan]

Why?  He's not been very helpful at all.

He did an awesome promotion of Nxt.

Link?

[EvilDave]

Release the code, yes, actively help FC, no.

What about other copycats?

Haven't read the next 4 pages yet, so I could be completely out of date here:

I have no problem with someone taking the NXT source code and building something useful on top of it/modifying it/memeing it/whatever.

I do have a big problem with someone who is prepared to blatantly copy an entire project, stealing the entire thing and changing only one letter in the name, in order to satisfy a personal vendetta.

If u ( beloved C-f-B) do get involved with nex in any way, u could find yourself in a lose/lose situation:

nex succeeds: FC takes all the credit and the cash, the potential crypto-freak market for NXT is reduced, slowing growth and diluting NXT's market share.

or

nex fails: u get the blame because of your evil sabotage of FCs project.

U gotta make yr own decisions, but I wouldn't touch this with a very long stick.....

[Damelon]

Either open the source completely and assist with genesis block creation, or don't open the source completely and don't assist with genesis block creation. Doing one and not the other is simply mean.

This seems an unnecessarily hard distinction to me.
If he asks, that is a different story, of course.

But if he gets all the tools, that's great, too, isn't it?
If I give someone a saw, hammer and nails, it isn't mean if I don't help to create a wardrobe.

Ah, perhaps I should rephrase. I certainly don't think CFB should feel obligated to work for free on creating a genesis block for NEX!

But if genesis block creation needs some secret sauce that isn't clear to a competent individual with access to the full Java source code, then that's a form of concealment that doesn't agree fully with the open source movement. We're either open, or we're not open. In April when the full source is released, it should include whatever information is required to allow someone to replicate the coin, including genesis block creation (but not necessarily hand holding).

The market will then decide whether Frictionless's 'fair' distribution makes it a more valuable coin.


Anyway, this is all academic, I already know the exact date that the NEX genesis block will come into existence.

Put like that, we completely agree.

Edit: klee, thanks a lot. I'm so glad that a simple idea like "let's organise all this information daily" helps people. It's good to fell appreciated and the feeling is mutual.

[xibeijan]

Release the code, yes, actively help FC, no.

What about other copycats?

Haven't read the next 4 pages yet, so I could be completely out of date here:

I have no problem with someone taking the NXT source code and building something useful on top of it/modifying it/memeing it/whatever.

I do have a big problem with someone who is prepared to blatantly copy an entire project, stealing the entire thing and changing only one letter in the name, in order to satisfy a personal vendetta.

If u ( beloved C-f-B) do get involved with nex in any way, u could find yourself in a lose/lose situation:

nex succeeds: FC takes all the credit and the cash, the potential crypto-freak market for NXT is reduced, slowing growth and diluting NXT's market share.

or

nex fails: u get the blame because of your evil sabotage of FCs project.

U gotta make yr own decisions, but I wouldn't touch this with a very long stick.....

I think it's pretty fickle of CfB to get involved with NEX.  Strange actually.  Is NXT not the winner here?  Or, is there something behind NEX we don't know about?

[Damelon]

Release the code, yes, actively help FC, no.

What about other copycats?

Haven't read the next 4 pages yet, so I could be completely out of date here:

I have no problem with someone taking the NXT source code and building something useful on top of it/modifying it/memeing it/whatever.

I do have a big problem with someone who is prepared to blatantly copy an entire project, stealing the entire thing and changing only one letter in the name, in order to satisfy a personal vendetta.

If u ( beloved C-f-B) do get involved with nex in any way, u could find yourself in a lose/lose situation:

nex succeeds: FC takes all the credit and the cash, the potential crypto-freak market for NXT is reduced, slowing growth and diluting NXT's market share.

or

nex fails: u get the blame because of your evil sabotage of FCs project.

U gotta make yr own decisions, but I wouldn't touch this with a very long stick.....

I think it's pretty fickle of CfB to get involved with NEX.  Strange actually.  Is NXT not the winner here?  Or, is there something behind NEX we don't know about?

To be precise, CfB says he will support a good crypto. He did not specifically say that crypto would be NEX, just that he felt he needed to be fair.

Let's not make it bigger than it is.

[EvilDave]

Why?  He's not been very helpful at all.

He did an awesome promotion of Nxt.

+1

...catching up slowly....

[EvilDave]

A very kind donator neer.g deposited 250k to the NxtMarketing account and joined Come-from-Beyond's 250.000 donated for NxtMarketing:

2037401990853753795

Big cudos to neer.g. It is the guy ho often anonymously awards people who "work" for the Nxt.

Friends, this is Nxt. Here, you don't have any boss, no government, here you are being paid by others, if they are satistied with your work or just want to support your efforts. Anyone can come here and chat, ask for help, but also do something, contribute, help others.

PS: he used me also as an "escrow", 10k will be sent directly to uniqueorn and 5k to me and pinarello, that's why he sent 270.000.

Also I thank to Come-from-Beyond!

Sweet, I love NXT sometimes....

[xibeijan]

Release the code, yes, actively help FC, no.

What about other copycats?

Haven't read the next 4 pages yet, so I could be completely out of date here:

I have no problem with someone taking the NXT source code and building something useful on top of it/modifying it/memeing it/whatever.

I do have a big problem with someone who is prepared to blatantly copy an entire project, stealing the entire thing and changing only one letter in the name, in order to satisfy a personal vendetta.

If u ( beloved C-f-B) do get involved with nex in any way, u could find yourself in a lose/lose situation:

nex succeeds: FC takes all the credit and the cash, the potential crypto-freak market for NXT is reduced, slowing growth and diluting NXT's market share.

or

nex fails: u get the blame because of your evil sabotage of FCs project.

U gotta make yr own decisions, but I wouldn't touch this with a very long stick.....

I think it's pretty fickle of CfB to get involved with NEX.  Strange actually.  Is NXT not the winner here?  Or, is there something behind NEX we don't know about?

To be precise, CfB says he will support a good crypto. He did not specifically say that crypto would be NEX, just that he felt he needed to be fair.

Let's not make it bigger than it is.

Well, then that's fair enough.  Of course, CfB should be free to support good cc.

[xibeijan]

Why?  He's not been very helpful at all.

He did an awesome promotion of Nxt.

+1

...catching up slowly....

Got a link to this promotion?  All I've ever see him to is attack NXT.

[nexern]

Either open the source completely and assist with genesis block creation, or don't open the source completely and don't assist with genesis block creation. Doing one and not the other is simply mean.

This seems an unnecessarily hard distinction to me.
If he asks, that is a different story, of course.

But if he gets all the tools, that's great, too, isn't it?
If I give someone a saw, hammer and nails, it isn't mean if I don't help to create a wardrobe.

Ah, perhaps I should rephrase. I certainly don't think CFB should feel obligated to work for free on creating a genesis block for NEX!

But if genesis block creation needs some secret sauce that isn't clear to a competent individual with access to the full Java source code, then that's a form of concealment that doesn't agree fully with the open source movement. We're either open, or we're not open. In April when the full source is released, it should include whatever information is required to allow someone to replicate the coin, including genesis block creation (but not necessarily hand holding).

The market will then decide whether Frictionless's 'fair' distribution makes it a more valuable coin.


Anyway, this is all academic, I already know the exact date that the NEX genesis block will come into existence.

friction is doing cargo cult programming at it's best.

predicted result -> http://bestofyoutube.com/the-beach-boys-shred-i-get-around

[Damelon]

Why?  He's not been very helpful at all.

He did an awesome promotion of Nxt.

+1

...catching up slowly....

Got a link to this promotion?  All I've ever see him to is attack NXT.

Basically this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422052.500

It provided much exposure for NXT (and NEM, NOX, NEXX, ME.TOO and FRX)

[EvilDave]

Why?  He's not been very helpful at all.

He did an awesome promotion of Nxt.

+1

...catching up slowly....

Got a link to this promotion?  All I've ever see him to is attack NXT.

Yeah, thats what he does best. But his semi-obsessive negativity/hate hard-on about NXT has the paradoxical result of bringing NXT to even more peoples attention....just look at the nex launch thread, the content is massively about NXT.

The only bad publicity is no publicity.

[BitcoinForumator]

Why?  He's not been very helpful at all.

He did an awesome promotion of Nxt.

+1

...catching up slowly....

Got a link to this promotion?  All I've ever see him to is attack NXT.

Basically this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422052.500

It provided much exposure for NXT (and NEM, NOX, NEXX, ME.TOO and FRX)

And you forgot NEXXX for some reason.

[Damelon]

Why?  He's not been very helpful at all.

He did an awesome promotion of Nxt.

+1

...catching up slowly....

Got a link to this promotion?  All I've ever see him to is attack NXT.

Basically this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422052.500

It provided much exposure for NXT (and NEM, NOX, NEXX, ME.TOO and FRX)

And you forgot NEXXX for some reason.

I wanted to keep it for myself

[salsacz]

I´ve got the list, it will be a nice chapter in the History of Nxt book:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=409696.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=398461.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422052.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422353.0;topicseen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422139.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422272.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422638.0;topicseen

-   GetVisaCoin::Sibling of NXT::Born for retribution & deterrent
-   [NEX] Nxt Reimagined
-   NEX :: descendant of NXT - Imagine Fairness!
-   NOX extends the dark side of NXT -  
-   ME.TOO :: descendant of NXT - 4 billion coins
-   NEXX :: descendant of NEX :: descendant of NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin
-   NEM :: descendant of NXT - 4 billion coins
-   FRX :: descendant of NEX - all un Fairness!

[EvilDave]

I´ve got the list, it will be a nice chapter in the History of Nxt book:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=409696.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=398461.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422052.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422353.0;topicseen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422139.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422272.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422638.0;topicseen

-   GetVisaCoin::Sibling of NXT::Born for retribution & deterrent
-   [NEX] Nxt Reimagined
-   NEX :: descendant of NXT - Imagine Fairness!
-   NOX extends the dark side of NXT -  
-   ME.TOO :: descendant of NXT - 4 billion coins
-   NEXX :: descendant of NEX :: descendant of NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin
-   NEM :: descendant of NXT - 4 billion coins
-   FRX :: descendant of NEX - all un Fairness!

LOL...seem to remember I theatened to launch EvilCoin at some point. Any investments welcome....

[NxtChg]

friction is doing cargo cult programming at it's best.

predicted result -> http://bestofyoutube.com/the-beach-boys-shred-i-get-around

That's pretty accurate

[punkrock]

Some of you might have noticed, but the "theft-account" from yesterday did a transaction - an interesting transaction, because the receiver is the account which generated the genesis block. Can anyone say something about this?

[dzarmush]

Some of you might have noticed, but the "theft-account" from yesterday did a transaction - an interesting transaction, because the receiver is the account which generated the genesis block. Can anyone say something about this?

Nothing interesting. He sent one coin to genesis for good luck. I did it too.