Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

[pioter]

It was not a revolution, it was a coup d'etat by a Fascist group. True, the whole thing did start as a pro-EU vs. anti-EU protests. (The anti-EU demonstrations were never shown in the Western media and they were held mostly during week-ends as normal people had to go to work, while pro-EU Maidan-denizens recieved $50-a-day grants and food courtesy EU-emissars).  Note that during this whole process Russia was not involved - it were only EU/US politicians shuttling to and from Maidan, giving speeches there, escalating the situation. This one-sided "conflict" was largely resolved by a EU-mediated agreement between the democratically-elected president and the leaders of the opposition, which lead to forming of a coalition government and appointment of early presidential re-elections. This whole time the local militia was under direct orders to NOT use the force.

One week later EU/US forget about that agreement and coup d'etat is in full swing. The coalition government is overthrown by the Fascist Bandera-group. Sniper shots are fired by them on both civilians and the Berkut forces, leaving at least two dozen Berkut policemen dead (this was again toned down in the Western media).

The Fascists oust the legitimately elected president, and proclaim death to all Russians and Jews. One of the top-men is a terrorist insurgents, who fought in the Chechen conflict against Russia. Berkut is disbanded. Everyone in regular militia, who speak Russian are thrown out.

Crimean local government refuses to recognise the Fascist-appointed representative from Kiev, and issues an official request to Moscow, asking for protection. Based on this request, the upper cabinet gives Putin right to use military power outside of the country's border, should the need arise. In the meantime, Berkut fighters (who refused to see their comrades' deaths go to waste) and citizens organise self-defence groups on all inbound routes, seizing countless numbers of firearms and explosives that were attempted smuggled by Fascist supporters into Crimea.

Veterans of WWII proclaim that they defended Sevastopol and threw out German Fascists back in the 1940s not to see the Fascists come back to power now, asking this  generation not to allow blooming of Fascism.

Harkov citizens conducts a mass-demonstration under Russian flags, people asking Russia for protection, and ousting Fascist occupants who a few days before came from Kiev and built a militarised stronghold in the local government building.

The self-proclaimed government in Kiev decries Crimean moves is illegitimate, handily forgetting that they themselves conducted a coup d'etat a few days before, overthrowing a legitimately-elected president and government.

In the meantime US send its Secretary of State to Kiev to fraternise with the Fascists, openly declaring them support and offering money.

Crimea and Eastern Ukraine has over 70% of ethnically Russian population. If you go to Crimea, you will not hear anyone speaking Ukrainian there. If (which is more a question of when) the Fascist group who occupied Kiev come from the Western Ukraine (and is mainly of Austro-Polish-Lithvanian descent) would start cleansing of the Russian population (read: genocide), would you expect Russia to leave their people behind? No. Russians don't leave their men behind.

And if you think that genocide will not happen, let me remind you when the first concentration camps appeared and who they were intended for: Thalerhof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Austrian_internment)

And lastly, Crimea is to hold a referendum about its future state on the same day as the new Presidential elections. Crimea had already had one such referendum in the end of the 90's, where the majority voted for independence, yet those results were ignored by then pro-Western government. The same thing might happen this time around. Oh, and this year should also see a referendum for Scotland's independence. It would be interesting to see how they both will play out. I am afraid US/EU has a militarised scenario planned for Ukraine.

PS: On the topic of revolution: Ukraine has a population of ~44 million people. Pro-EU Maidan and the Fascist shadow fighters there counted in total about 20000 if not less. That's 0.045% of the total population. Yet they call themselves a government and proclaim to be the will of the people. Think about it.

"Peaceful fighters for freedom" (Right sector) invades to local parliament and threaten people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fKIq8fE1CE

This is what democracy US supports.

Oh no! They're... They're... TALKING! I'm sure that's against the Geneva Conventions somewhere...

Seriously, dude, stop it with the stupid propaganda. Ukrainians protested because their government was becoming a dictatorship, not because they wanted to start up a fascist state. That's what Russia is working on.

Talking like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOsq1VzowI&list=UULDatcCbRzyUeu0WP1VRqQQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=386

putin propaganda

[bryant.coleman]

and thats a revolution, putin wash ur mind

I am not Russian and I don't even know the Russian language. How is Prez. Putin going to brainwash me?

[pioter]

and thats a revolution, putin wash ur mind

I am not Russian and I don't even know the Russian language. How is Prez. Putin going to brainwash me?

you listened to translated putin !

[Nemo1024]

It was not a revolution, it was a coup d'etat by a Fascist group. True, the whole thing did start as a pro-EU vs. anti-EU protests. (The anti-EU demonstrations were never shown in the Western media and they were held mostly during week-ends as normal people had to go to work, while pro-EU Maidan-denizens recieved $50-a-day grants and food courtesy EU-emissars).  Note that during this whole process Russia was not involved - it were only EU/US politicians shuttling to and from Maidan, giving speeches there, escalating the situation. This one-sided "conflict" was largely resolved by a EU-mediated agreement between the democratically-elected president and the leaders of the opposition, which lead to forming of a coalition government and appointment of early presidential re-elections. This whole time the local militia was under direct orders to NOT use the force.

One week later EU/US forget about that agreement and coup d'etat is in full swing. The coalition government is overthrown by the Fascist Bandera-group. Sniper shots are fired by them on both civilians and the Berkut forces, leaving at least two dozen Berkut policemen dead (this was again toned down in the Western media).

The Fascists oust the legitimately elected president, and proclaim death to all Russians and Jews. One of the top-men is a terrorist insurgents, who fought in the Chechen conflict against Russia. Berkut is disbanded. Everyone in regular militia, who speak Russian are thrown out.

Crimean local government refuses to recognise the Fascist-appointed representative from Kiev, and issues an official request to Moscow, asking for protection. Based on this request, the upper cabinet gives Putin right to use military power outside of the country's border, should the need arise. In the meantime, Berkut fighters (who refused to see their comrades' deaths go to waste) and citizens organise self-defence groups on all inbound routes, seizing countless numbers of firearms and explosives that were attempted smuggled by Fascist supporters into Crimea.

Veterans of WWII proclaim that they defended Sevastopol and threw out German Fascists back in the 1940s not to see the Fascists come back to power now, asking this  generation not to allow blooming of Fascism.

Harkov citizens conducts a mass-demonstration under Russian flags, people asking Russia for protection, and ousting Fascist occupants who a few days before came from Kiev and built a militarised stronghold in the local government building.

The self-proclaimed government in Kiev decries Crimean moves is illegitimate, handily forgetting that they themselves conducted a coup d'etat a few days before, overthrowing a legitimately-elected president and government.

In the meantime US send its Secretary of State to Kiev to fraternise with the Fascists, openly declaring them support and offering money.

Crimea and Eastern Ukraine has over 70% of ethnically Russian population. If you go to Crimea, you will not hear anyone speaking Ukrainian there. If (which is more a question of when) the Fascist group who occupied Kiev come from the Western Ukraine (and is mainly of Austro-Polish-Lithvanian descent) would start cleansing of the Russian population (read: genocide), would you expect Russia to leave their people behind? No. Russians don't leave their men behind.

And if you think that genocide will not happen, let me remind you when the first concentration camps appeared and who they were intended for: Thalerhof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Austrian_internment)

And lastly, Crimea is to hold a referendum about its future state on the same day as the new Presidential elections. Crimea had already had one such referendum in the end of the 90's, where the majority voted for independence, yet those results were ignored by then pro-Western government. The same thing might happen this time around. Oh, and this year should also see a referendum for Scotland's independence. It would be interesting to see how they both will play out. I am afraid US/EU has a militarised scenario planned for Ukraine.

PS: On the topic of revolution: Ukraine has a population of ~44 million people. Pro-EU Maidan and the Fascist shadow fighters there counted in total about 20000 if not less. That's 0.045% of the total population. Yet they call themselves a government and proclaim to be the will of the people. Think about it.

"Peaceful fighters for freedom" (Right sector) invades to local parliament and threaten people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fKIq8fE1CE

This is what democracy US supports.

Oh no! They're... They're... TALKING! I'm sure that's against the Geneva Conventions somewhere...

Seriously, dude, stop it with the stupid propaganda. Ukrainians protested because their government was becoming a dictatorship, not because they wanted to start up a fascist state. That's what Russia is working on.

Talking like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOsq1VzowI&list=UULDatcCbRzyUeu0WP1VRqQQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=386

putin propaganda

And that's all you have to say? How disappointing. You do realise that the reverse logic applies, and anything shown by the Western media can be written off as Obama propaganda, right?

I at least have some pen-pals in Ukraine, who can be described by the term of "common people" and their stories coincide to a larger degree by what is being shown on the Eastern news. Not completely, but to, say, 90%. There will always be some propaganda on both sides, but you have to learn to look past it to what is really happening, and for that you need to take into account all available sources, from both sides, so to speak, and then cross-reference them.

An interesting side-note. When the demonstrations in Kiev were in the pro-EU/anti-EU stage, Russian media covered both sides, taking interviews from both factions, as well as from the citizens of Kiev, who powerlessly watched how their city was rampaged, while the Western media only showed the pro-EU demonstrators.

And finally, don't look at Ukraine in isolation. Take in the bigger picture in the US struggle for it official doctrine of world domination. Read the screen-play of Yugoslavia (15 years this year since NATO started bombing a sovereign state), Iraq, Tunis, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and now, Ukraine. You will see a common red line going through them all. And the next act in the play is called "NATO forces to the rescue" with a sub-title "Whether you want it or not".

PS: My view on Putin is on par with my view on Obama or any other state leader. They are there for the power. However, Putin is better for Russia now than some drunken marionette figurehead, puppeteered by the Western transnats, as the case was in the mid-90s.

PSS: I just had a thought: filtering out propaganda to see to the truth is a much needed quality in Bitcoin trading as well. You need to keep your head clear and keep calm whatever rages around you.

[bryant.coleman]

you listened to translated putin !

I listen to the speeches of a lot of leaders, including Obama and Putin. What is wrong in that?

[fsb4000]

and thats a revolution, putin wash ur mind

I am not Russian and I don't even know the Russian language. How is Prez. Putin going to brainwash me?

you listened to translated putin !

Haha. I listened Putin, Obama, Kerry and many other. To better understand the situation, you have to listen to information from different sources. So if you want to be impartial, you should listen to Putin too.

[igorr]

BREAKING NEWS:

The opposition paid snipers !

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567

Phone record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

[myself]

and thats a revolution, putin wash ur mind

ppl in Romania still ask same question about 1989 revolution http://www.trilulilu.ro/video-film/executia-lui-ceausescu-2 and note who was the next president https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Iliescu

[pioter]

and thats a revolution, putin wash ur mind

ppl in Romania still ask same question about 1989 revolution http[Suspicious link removed]cutia-lui-ceausescu-2 and note who was the next president https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Iliescu

1989 good year.

[myself]

[Suspicious link removed]

huh ?? why will anyone call the romanian youtube "Suspicious"  

[masterluc]

http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders - leaked EU's Ashton phone tape

They shoot their people. Fascists.

[niothor]

and thats a revolution, putin wash ur mind

ppl in Romania still ask same question about 1989 revolution http://www.trilulilu.ro/video-film/executia-lui-ceausescu-2 and note who was the next president https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Iliescu

Idiots still asks , most of us know what kind of "revolution" that circus was.

[niothor]

[Suspicious link removed]

huh ?? why will anyone call the romanian youtube "Suspicious"  

Anything having "romanian" in it posted on the internet is suspicious ))
And yeah , I'm from romania too )))

[zonom]

So, Russia was "not involved" all of those previous years when Gazprom would terrorise the Ukraine by switching off the gas in the middle of the winter?

And of course, Russia was "not involved" when Yanukovich's government would provide gas subsidies to 'protect' the Ukrainians against price hikes? The Ukrainians would be promised lower prices, and the difference would be paid by taxes collected by Yanukovich's government. The nett result of course would be that Ukraine used more gas, and paid Russia more money overall, even though they had plenty of their own gas reserves, which weren't being developed.

[pioter]

So, Russia was "not involved" all of those previous years when Gazprom would terrorise the Ukraine by switching off the gas in the middle of the winter?

And of course, Russia was "not involved" when Yanukovich's government would provide gas subsidies to 'protect' the Ukrainians against price hikes? The Ukrainians would be promised lower prices, and the difference would be paid by taxes collected by Yanukovich's government. The nett result of course would be that Ukraine used more gas, and paid Russia more money overall, even though they had plenty of their own gas reserves, which weren't being developed.

obv no constructive answer, thats predictable from a russians.

[hdbuck]

constructive?

[pinky]

So, Russia was "not involved" all of those previous years when Gazprom would terrorise the Ukraine by switching off the gas in the middle of the winter?

And of course, Russia was "not involved" when Yanukovich's government would provide gas subsidies to 'protect' the Ukrainians against price hikes? The Ukrainians would be promised lower prices, and the difference would be paid by taxes collected by Yanukovich's government. The nett result of course would be that Ukraine used more gas, and paid Russia more money overall, even though they had plenty of their own gas reserves, which weren't being developed.

obv no constructive answer, thats predictable from a russians.

He's not Russian, he was born in France, later he joined the Starfleet 

[Ivanhoe]

Divide et impera.

[st4nl3y]

It was not a revolution, it was a coup d'etat by a Fascist group. True, the whole thing did start as a pro-EU vs. anti-EU protests. (The anti-EU demonstrations were never shown in the Western media and they were held mostly during week-ends as normal people had to go to work, while pro-EU Maidan-denizens recieved $50-a-day grants and food courtesy EU-emissars).  Note that during this whole process Russia was not involved - it were only EU/US politicians shuttling to and from Maidan, giving speeches there, escalating the situation. This one-sided "conflict"...

O RLY?

Ever heard the name Gazprom?

So, Russia was "not involved" all of those previous years when Gazprom would terrorise the Ukraine by switching off the gas in the middle of the winter?

And of course, Russia was "not involved" when Yanukovich's government would provide gas subsidies to 'protect' the Ukrainians against price hikes? The Ukrainians would be promised lower prices, and the difference would be paid by taxes collected by Yanukovich's government. The nett result of course would be that Ukraine used more gas, and paid Russia more money overall, even though they had plenty of their own gas reserves, which weren't being developed.

This^ is true and correct. russia owns urkaine and own yanukowich by any means necessary.  

[Bit_Happy]

I'm sorry I have no been following this issue, can someone give me the low-down.

Human history sucks, and we haven't changed.