Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

Quote from: fsb4000 on March 12, 2014, 01:35:56 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on March 12, 2014, 01:22:47 PM

so hum, anyone could sum up whats being going on in Ukraine lately? whats the next move?
i've been off for the last week and didnt followed the situation since poutine's ultimatum failed.
thx

Nothing happens. Crimeans are preparing for the referendum.(March 16)

also help to understand the situation(english and german subtitles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfzMnP3ilcI

A very astute assessment of the situation there! Here is the transcript of the English captions from that news video:

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I've been asked to share my thoughts on the Ukrainian revolution.
My dear friends!
There is no Ukrainian revolution.
Revolution is a fundamental transformation of the social and political institutions.
A change from monarchy to a bourgeois republic - that's a revolution.
A change from a bourgeois republic to communism - that's a revolution.
But no social formation changes of any sort took place in Ukraine.
In Ukraine one group of rich and influential people is successfully wrestling full control over the state from another.
This is called a coup d'etat.
Not so long ago, historically speaking, Ukraine gained its independence.
Ukraine was declared a democratic state, which as everybody knows means
free presidential elections with a choice from two or more candidates.
We all witnessed presidencies of Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko and Yanukovich.
All was well until it became clear - and not just in Ukraine - that democratically elected officials
steal, enjoy themselves, and don't give a damn about the country and the people who elected them.
What happens in a situation like that in an ideal democratic country?
A leader who lost trust of his people is legally removed from power and new elections are held.
What happens in Ukraine?
In Ukraine they overthrow governments.
Right now, we are witnessing a second coup in 10 years.
In the new era of democratic elections, we have suddenly realized that elections require money.
Candidates are put forward by people with money.
You can't just run on verbal statements like "I'm a good guy! I'm a great leader! Pick me!"
To get elected, you need money.
A candidate needs financial support.
A candidate with wealthier supporters has better chances.
Let me stress that again.
Candidates aren't put forward by abstract "people" - they are chosen and put forward by wealthy folks
regardless of whatever anyone chooses to believe in.
No money? Next, please.
At this point, it would be a good time to stop and think who we are actually voting for.
Why are we looking for a licensed plumber when we need to fix a leak?
Why are we looking for experience and credentials when we're in need of a doctor?
Why do we search for a good restaurant with a good chef when we want to have a nice dinner?
Why then, when dealing with the most important thing, which is choosing the person who will run the country
for the next several years, we vote for some loudmouths with no governing and leadership experience?
Alas, that's just too complicated for most of the populace,
which only has democracy and free elections (from two or more candidates) on their minds.
And so it goes.
Village idiots and outright psychos flood the TV channels every election season to the audience delight,
yelling at each other
and competing in smear campaigns.
Heated debates Jerry Springer style are held everywhere while in the meantime
real deals are being made behind the scenes and away from TVs and screaming mobs.
Of course, even the big money can't always guarantee success.
For instance, a certain powerful group put Yushchenko forward for presidency in 2004.
And guess what - he didn't get elected.
Bad luck - another group ran a better campaign for their guy, Yanukovich.
What do you do, just step aside and let the wrong guy get elected?
Of course not! Not when you can stage a coup.
This is what happened in Ukraine in 2004, when Yushchenko came to power as result of the "Orange" coup d'etat.
Obviously, money played a crucial role in that.
I dare you to build a camp for tens of thousands of people.
Then provide food for everyone, for days.
Deliver and set up portable toilets. Organize waste removal.
Deliver and set up tents.
Provide security and medical personnel.
Hand out uniforms to everyone; give everybody a flag to wave and a drum to beat.
This is years of preparations and tens of millions of dollars.
But from an idiots' point of view all of it just happens.
"Kind old ladies brought us some pies."
By the way, it is clear that logistics were provided by Western specialists, most likely military
and certainly not by the Ukraine's own exalted clowns.
All in all, the "Orange" political takeover brought an illegitimate president Yushchenko to power with the help of so-called 'maidan',
and nobody gave a damn.
"Yes, it was illegal, so what?"
"What really matters is that we have freedom now!" and other crap like that.
And when "people's president" Yushchenko displayed his managerial capabilities in full by driving Ukraine to the brink of economic disaster
another elite group of oligarchs got their say after all by bringing president Yanukovich to power.
The people of Ukraine were once again asked to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
Yanukovich quickly realized that Ukraine hadn't hit rock bottom under Yushchenko yet
and promptly led the country further down where the sun don't shine.
Surely, on the way he kept getting wealthier and taking good care of his family members.
By the way, this is quite normal for democratically elected leaders.
In a free country, they can do whatever they want without facing any consequences.
There is no control, because control means totalitarianism.
So grab what you can while you have a chance, experiment, break things, and take no responsibility.
Such behavior of democratically elected officials gets common people angry for some reason. That's because common folk can't steal like that in a capitalist society.
Only leaders can steal and they do that at their full potential.
People who don't get their share start feeling disappointed by their candidate.
Wait, we thought he was awesome, but he is not!
And as discontent grows, another elite group aiming to change the status quo helps heat it up.
They bring people out on the streets with the help from the media they control.
And another Maidan gathers in Kiev.
Again, protesters must have food to eat, cloths to stay warm and a place to take a shit.
The hardship of feeding and cleaning after the horde starts again. But this time it continues for 3 months.
Evidently, western logistics specialists did not come this time.
I'll leave to those with curious minds to estimate the amount of money needed every day to support a crowd of tens of thousands of people,
who's got that kind of money in Ukraine, who would give it away and what they would expect in return.
By the way, these funds are distributed in cash, no taxes paid. So the country gets robbed once again. The country that thought it fought corruption during the previous Maidan.
All people are equal before the law, but people behind Maidan are more equal than others.
It's amazing, but the so-called opposition has not made any social demands.
It has not promised people to return what was stolen from them.
It has not promised to increase the standard of living.
Though it has promised European integration.
For what?!
The people of Ukraine will be able to travel abroad without getting a visa!
Traveling abroad with no visa is great. But what are you going to eat at home?
Take Poland, for example.
They do not need a visa to cross EU borders.
But the unemployment rate in Poland is so high that even in Ireland every other plumber is a Pole.
It is indeed a great advantage when you do not need a visa!
You can't make a living at home, there is no work. Industry is in shambles.
But those standing on Maidan are getting high from anticipation.
Unbelievable! They are about to become true Europeans!
A funny scene: a donkey chasing a carrot on a stick.
It's obvious that it's not a revolution, but a clash of two oligarchic gangs.
Those who support Yanukovich's group, and those who do not.
Whereas the dissatisfied citizens standing on Maidan are just a cover for the puppeteers.
And of course, all these activities are fully supported by democratic media sources, which, as we all know, never lie
and speak only from the bottom of their hearts; never by their master's command and certainly not for the money.
Reports are aired non-stop: aircraft with the Russian Spetsnaz has landed at the Boryspil airport, the "Vityaz" unit has arrived to Kyiv,
Chechen SWAT is closing in on Maidan, all jails are open, and criminals are released to cut throats of everyone who stands for the Liberty on Maidan.
On command, they spin the news to favor exactly one point of view: the one they are being paid for.
This is the only kind of media Ukraine has after 20 years of independence.
For the entire duration of the Maidan protests, Ukrainian mass media have been airing reports favoring the organizers and leaders of the coup only.
I wonder whether the protesters in the streets really represent the opinion of the Ukrainian people?
It is estimated that about 40,000 people were on Maidan in Kiev.
That's about 0.1% of the Ukraine population.
Do they have the right to impose their will and their decisions on all of the people of Ukraine?
Well, from the puppeteers' point of view they very well do.
And they do impose their demands.
Are those demands legitimate?
From the perspective of the backstage organizers, they are very legitimate.
Because they call legitimate only what they need.
We must remember that coups always have foreign sponsors.
Idiots on Maidan - Maidummies - keep yelling that they've never been paid by the US State Department,
while the State Department does not hesitate to say that it has given the Ukrainian opposition 5 billion US dollars for propaganda.
And this is only the official figure.
Amount of cash brought to Ukraine in suitcases by spooks and given to the opposition should be multiplied at least by 5.
Well, it is not for nothing that opium production in the occupied Afghanistan has increased by a factor of 40.
Oh, you mean YOU did not get any money personally?
Well, that's because YOU are an idiot.
Your share is in the pockets of your Maidan bosses, most passionate patriots.
All in all, this time around the coup wasn't organized as well as the last one.
One after another, the months passed by with no results.
Riot police tried to disperse the crowd, Maidummies tried to push the police lines back with no tangible results for any side.
The crowd threw stones at the police, it didn't work.
The police didn't fire to defend themselves.
The mob attacked with Molotov cocktails and burned police officers alive.
That didn't help either. Who would've thought, they still refuse to shoot.
"Honest" mass media went into overdrive next:
Planes carrying Russian Spetsnaz have landed at the Boryspil Airport! The "Vityaz" unit has arrived in Kiev! Chechen Special Police Forces are closing in on the Maidan! All jails are open; criminals are released to cut throats of everyone who stands for the Liberty on Maidan.
Seems like 2004 all over again.
But it didn't work this time.
And now it becomes obvious that some bloodshed is in order.
Only mass murder - the crimes that police forces will be accused of - could excuse a coup in public's eyes.
Only mass murder could unify the mob.
But the damned government ordered the riot police to disarm, and this is where Ukrainian ultra-nationalists entered the scene.
They are the ones born and raised to hate Russia and Russians.
They are the descendants of Waffen-SS veterans, admirers of Stepan Bandera, members of Nazi militant groups.
They have military ranks, discipline and strict subordination.
They do not build factories, they never work on farms, but they do have training camps in Ukrainian forests.
And they never stop training. Their time is spent in preparation for street riots, seizure of power, and civil war.
Do we have a Maidan coming our way?
They won't miss their chance.
They get orders to deploy fighters to Maidan detailing the numbers and qualities required.
They are being told what to do and for how long.
And here they come, marching and singing.
This is not a grassroots movement.
They act strictly on orders.
Where they've failed last time, this time they will succeed.
By the way, state security agencies should normally keep a close eye on all these Nazi groups,
but Ukrainian Nazis feel pretty comfortable.
Which isn't really surprising, given that Ukrainian state security officers are trained and overseen by CIA.
Evidently, they keep Nazis for a reason, biding their time.
And the time has come.
Tired of waiting, Ukrainian Nazis started shooting their own fighters
just to stir the mob and get an enraged crowd to storm the police ranks.
No sooner said than done:
extremists were shooting police officers as well as peaceful protesters.
Bodies started to pile up, but nobody called for an independent investigation of the murders.
Nobody bothered to establish arcs and sectors of fire.
Nobody performed autopsies in the presence of investigators to extract bullets from the bodies.
They didn't take blood samples to detect traces of alcohol, drugs or stimulants.
All police guns have case samples stored in a cartridge case repository.
It takes 5 minutes to find the shooter using the ballistic fingerprint database.
Nothing of the sort has been done. Which means that Nazis have been covering up their own murders.
All this time police officers were doing their duty to the letter and stood unarmed in front of enraged mob,
and only after losing several of their own they were issued weapons and returned fire at armed terrorists.
But it was already too late by then.
Yanukovich betrayed the cops who were defending his life and his presidency.
Yanukovich betrayed his people, his country, and fled.
It's safe to assume, he has even screwed his oligarch buddies.
According to Ukrainian media sources, he's boarded eight planes and a Russian assault ship all at once and fled to an unknown location.
For a while, it wasn't clear where Yanukovich was.
Was he in Ukraine?
Or in the Ukraine?
Turned out, he was in Russia.
While everyone was looking for Yanukovich, Nazis finished overthrowing the government and began
beating up and murdering those who still tried to perform their duties and keep order in Kiev.
"Together They Are Many!", as sung in 2004 by a popular band.
And so it began: raids on personal residences, abductions, tortures, murders.
It really came in handy that Nazi extremists, these Bandera's descendants, have quite an experience in harassment, torture and murder.
Extremists were dispatched to various Ukrainian cities to occupy city halls, subduing local authorities, beating them up and torturing them.
This is how democracy works as Nazis understand it.
This is their Brown Revolution.
After taking the power in the country already flatlining after four terms of different democratically elected presidents, Nazis took the helm in their own firm hands.
First of all, they've started to topple Lenin monuments under the close watch of masked terrorist commanders.
It's always been vandals' favorite pastime.
Lenin statues, monuments to Soviet soldiers who liberated Ukraine from the Nazis, Russian Field Marshall Mikhail Kutuzov's monument all were taken down.
What they cannot destroy they deface with swastikas and their bestial slogans.
Even here in Russia there are some who do not understand that Lenin monuments are Russian monuments.
By destroying them, Nazis show their hate towards Russia and Russians.
They fight Lenin and communism first, then it turns out that communists are Russian, and therefore Russians must pay.
If you indifferently watched them destroying a Lenin's monument,
don't be surprised when they come to destroy you,
because anti-Soviet always means anti-Russian.
Next, they started breaking into Yanukovych's and Pshonka's houses.
Maidummies were shocked by their tasteless and obscenely rich architecture and interior design.
Who would have thought that the Ukrainian president lives fancier than a Galician peasant?!
What a twist! But somehow nobody bothered to check out houses of the Maidan
leaders, even though they are located just across the street from Yanukovich's.
Their houses might look even funnier inside.
Nobody went breaking into oligarchs' houses, where they could actually discover some of the stolen country's wealth.
No, idiots were directed to Yanukovich's house.
Because that's enough for propaganda purposes.
Well, they've also stolen some belongings, some cars disappeared, too.
Spoils of war.
Next, under the watch of masked terrorists, the opposition made the statements of utmost importance in Ukraine's parliament.
For starters, they proposed to ban Russian language.
Which isn't surprising, since we're talking about Nazis here.
Soviet Bolsheviks for example made their first decrees about peace and land.
Bandera's fascist followers started by outlawing Russian.
Undoubtedly, a ban on Russian language is the most important task for a pillaged country with ruined economy.
Next, they screamed that Russian-speaking Ukrainians must be issued special non-citizen IDs instead of Ukrainian passports, like it was done in the Baltic states.
Closing Russian schools, blocking Russian TV channels are among their numerous brilliant initiatives.
And obviously they demanded to abolish the legislation that condemned Nazi crimes.
Why? Because obviously a crime committed by Bandera's fascists (such as the slaughter of 80,000 Poles in Volhynya) is a good crime benefiting Ukraine.
Why is this so important?
Why not address the financial crisis first?
Because Nazis are in charge now. And they address issues important to Nazis.
Why is this happening?
Because "Brown" follows "Orange".
Some of the Maidummies now squeal they were never with Nazis, they were only protesting against Yanukovich.
The same people gave presidency to Yushchenko squealing they were only against his predecessor president Kuchma.
This kind of bleating is a manifestation of the rarest form of stupidity.
It was you who stood together with the Nazis.
You jumped together with the Nazis.
You supported the Nazis.
You put the Nazis in charge.
You didn't protest against Yanukovich, you collaborated with fascists.
Here's an interesting detail, by the way:
According to the Maidummies, Yanukovich and his family were abusing authority,
stealing and transferring billions of dollars to foreign bank accounts.
But somehow, we have heard no word about that from the civilized West.
That's because the smuggled billions of dollars are better off staying in the Western economy.
It doesn't matter whether they are stolen or not,
Europe is in a crisis, and after all, it's capitalism.
No one talks about the money stolen in Russia and smuggled out of Russia either,
as if nobody really knows what kind of money it is and whom it belongs to.
They will only recall it after a coup, while freezing accounts and simulating righteous wrath.
So, what do we have here after everything has been said and done?
Soon, everyone in the Ukrainian Rada will wear a mask, and they will burn tires to celebrate a passed legislation.
The legislations are going to be one better than another: to butcher, to hang, to strangle, to drown, to ban, to punish, to exile.
Just as it should be in a democracy when Nazis come to power.
Eurointegration?
Well, there is a crisis in Europe, they don't have money to spare.
No one will help Ukraine with anything.
They can't sort out their Greeces, Portugals, Spains and other leading economies, let alone Ukraine.
Should Ukraine have agreed to cooperate with Russia, which does have money?
One tenth of a percent of the Ukrainian population decided that it shouldn't.
Quite the contrary, it should bend over before the West, spread the cheeks and freeze in anticipation of pleasure,
and the pleasure will start immediately:
NATO will penetrate the country with no lubrication and put its missiles right next to the Russian border.
However, this doggy-style position with the ass pointed towards the West,
the one Nazis put the country in, isn't awfully practical in political sense,
because that increases chances of getting something in the mouth from the East.
And if you are a Russian citizen and you welcome the Nazi coup in Ukraine, you welcome NATO advance towards our borders.
Whose values are you defending?
Russian? No.
You welcome humiliation and insult to Russia.
You welcome ethnic cleansings, murders and genocide.
From your point of view, NATO's missiles aimed to our cities, our homes,
kindergartens and schools should be located close to our borders.
You welcome destruction of Russia.
That means that you're either a complete idiot or a deliberate enemy.
Looking at our activists, it's probably both.
Of course, not everyone in Ukraine likes to have their government overthrown.
Not everyone likes Nazis.
Not everyone likes Nazis' political ambitions.
But how a regular citizen, who has to go to work every day and take care of his family, can
oppose a bunch of armed aggressive assholes, who were trained in their camps for years?
That's nearly impossible.
He is not in the paramilitary.
He doesn't have a cache of weapons.
But that doesn't mean that he won't find a way to arm himself and defend his family, his city and his country.
And that means that the Maidummies that brought neo-fascists to power have just pushed the country towards a civil war.
It is you, who were jumping on Maidan, brought Nazis to power.
It is you, who were jumping on Maidan, stirred up a civil war in Ukraine.
It is you, who were jumping on Maidan, are helping start World War III.
And you will be the one responsible for this.
And you may ask, what about Russia? Does it concern us?
Of course it does.
We do care about things happening near our borders.
We do care about the Russians living outside Russian Federation.
Russia will help fellow Russians wherever their lives and wellbeing are threatened by various scum.
And, if required, with military force.
Rumor has it that Bandera's Nazi followers are already getting ready for the arrival of the
Russian Army by restoring Lenin monuments, tidying up the Maidan, cleaning up their shit.
And that's all for today. See you later.

It's pretty much a stalemate with some verbal abuse coming from both sides.

The next big move will come after the referendum. Once the population of Crimea votes by overwhelming majority for joining Russian Federation, NATO might see it fit to start bombing the peninsula so as to pacify the local population. The Yugoslavian scenario is still on the table.

In the meantime:
- Speaker of the Crimean parliament put forth a motion to make Turchinov and Janecuk persons non-grata on Crimean soil.
- Ukrainian military forces (the minority who didn't join with Crimean self-defence forces) started to leave Crimea. The Ukrainian tank division stationed on Crimea in its entirety gave an oath to serve the people of Crimea.
- Crimean Regional Party segregates from the pan-Ukrainian Regional party
- US will provide Ukrainian army with food rations.
- Obama warns Russia about the consequences of the referendum in a CNN interview (I wonder what international rules Russia breaks by doing nothing about the Crimean referendum, and what does Obama mean by Russia paying dearly for it?)
- China wins big from any possible Western economic sanctions imposed on Russia, as it will fill up any economic void that results from such sanctions.