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March 17, 2016, 09:25:49 AM
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I am seeing a lot of chatter on the net that Obama might push thru some legislation via executive orders or some other federal mandate before he leaves office forcing severe reductions in Co2 emissions output by putting the burdens on individual states. A lot of the recent rhetoric on the subject in the media relating to criminal and civil charges for arguing against man made global warming under rico statutes leads me to believe there might be some veracity to these claims. I don't really have any links on the subject because this is mostly just me piecing together bits of info I read here and there, but I thought it might be useful to some people to post it here so you can do your own research.

you mean more taxes right?

Basically yes.

Which is bad as we all know. Taxes are the true evil and that's what's keeping 'Merica down. Taxes. Not the suppremacy of free market and the concentration of wealth. No. Taxes are the worst. And are responsible for everything.

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March 17, 2016, 09:45:31 AM
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I am seeing a lot of chatter on the net that Obama might push thru some legislation via executive orders or some other federal mandate before he leaves office forcing severe reductions in Co2 emissions output by putting the burdens on individual states. A lot of the recent rhetoric on the subject in the media relating to criminal and civil charges for arguing against man made global warming under rico statutes leads me to believe there might be some veracity to these claims. I don't really have any links on the subject because this is mostly just me piecing together bits of info I read here and there, but I thought it might be useful to some people to post it here so you can do your own research.

you mean more taxes right?

Basically yes.

Which is bad as we all know. Taxes are the true evil and that's what's keeping 'Merica down. Taxes. Not the suppremacy of free market and the concentration of wealth. No. Taxes are the worst. And are responsible for everything.

Actually the USA pays higher taxes than almost anyone on the planet, and as a matter of fact yes it does harm the economy. Meanwhile large corporations suck billions out of the country and pay no taxes. I know you have no desire to have any clue what you talk about but please, at least try on a superficial level.
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March 17, 2016, 09:49:10 AM
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I am seeing a lot of chatter on the net that Obama might push thru some legislation via executive orders or some other federal mandate before he leaves office forcing severe reductions in Co2 emissions output by putting the burdens on individual states. A lot of the recent rhetoric on the subject in the media relating to criminal and civil charges for arguing against man made global warming under rico statutes leads me to believe there might be some veracity to these claims. I don't really have any links on the subject because this is mostly just me piecing together bits of info I read here and there, but I thought it might be useful to some people to post it here so you can do your own research.

you mean more taxes right?

Basically yes.

Which is bad as we all know. Taxes are the true evil and that's what's keeping 'Merica down. Taxes. Not the suppremacy of free market and the concentration of wealth. No. Taxes are the worst. And are responsible for everything.

Actually the USA pays higher taxes than almost anyone on the planet, and as a matter of fact yes it does harm the economy. Meanwhile large corporations suck billions out of the country and pay no taxes. I know you have no desire to have any clue what you talk about but please, at least try on a superficial level.

Techshare, always saying bullshit like the good little dog he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates
Here is the list of taxes by country. Could you say again that USA taxes are the highest in the world?
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March 17, 2016, 11:20:23 AM
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Techshare, always saying bullshit like the good little dog he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates
Here is the list of taxes by country. Could you say again that USA taxes are the highest in the world?

Do you even read what you post as supposed evidence to support you? That list seems to rank the USA near the top of the taxes charged. The only people that pay zero tax are people who don't make more than $10,000 a year and of course large corporations. The rest get fucked.

Also I didn't say "USA taxes are the highest in the world" I said "the USA pays higher taxes than almost anyone on the planet". When you make your pathetic attempts to argue with people, try actually arguing against what they said. I know it is a little too honest for you but please try even though I wouldn't expect a socialist to understand why taxes are a problem because in your country the state has so many entitlements. For the US, those taxes don't come back to us. All income taxes go to pay the interest on The Federal Reserve Debt. Services are paid by state level taxes.

Also you forgot these:

#1 Air Transportation Taxes (just look at how much you were charged the last time you flew)

#2 Biodiesel Fuel Taxes

#3 Building Permit Taxes

#4 Business Registration Fees

#5 Capital Gains Taxes

#6 Cigarette Taxes

#7 Court Fines (indirect taxes)

#8 Disposal Fees

#9 Dog License Taxes

#10 Drivers License Fees (another form of taxation)

#11 Employer Health Insurance Mandate Tax

#12 Employer Medicare Taxes

#13 Employer Social Security Taxes

#14 Environmental Fees

#15 Estate Taxes

#16 Excise Taxes On Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans

#17 Federal Corporate Taxes

#18 Federal Income Taxes

#19 Federal Unemployment Taxes

#20 Fishing License Taxes

#21 Flush Taxes (yes, this actually exists in some areas)

#22 Food And Beverage License Fees

#23 Franchise Business Taxes

#24 Garbage Taxes

#25 Gasoline Taxes

#26 Gift Taxes

#27 Gun Ownership Permits

#28 Hazardous Material Disposal Fees

#29 Highway Access Fees

#30 Hotel Taxes (these are becoming quite large in some areas)

#31 Hunting License Taxes

#32 Import Taxes

#33 Individual Health Insurance Mandate Taxes

#34 Inheritance Taxes

#35 Insect Control Hazardous Materials Licenses

#36 Inspection Fees

#37 Insurance Premium Taxes

#38 Interstate User Diesel Fuel Taxes

#39 Inventory Taxes

#40 IRA Early Withdrawal Taxes

#41 IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)

#42 IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

#43 Library Taxes

#44 License Plate Fees

#45 Liquor Taxes

#46 Local Corporate Taxes

#47 Local Income Taxes

#48 Local School Taxes

#49 Local Unemployment Taxes

#50 Luxury Taxes

#51 Marriage License Taxes

#52 Medicare Taxes

#53 Medicare Tax Surcharge On High Earning Americans Under Obamacare

#54 Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax (if you don't buy "qualifying" health insurance under Obamacare you will have to pay an additional tax)

#55 Obamacare Surtax On Investment Income (a new 3.8% surtax on investment income)

#56 Parking Meters

#57 Passport Fees

#58 Professional Licenses And Fees (another form of taxation)

#59 Property Taxes

#60 Real Estate Taxes

#61 Recreational Vehicle Taxes

#62 Registration Fees For New Businesses

#63 Toll Booth Taxes

#64 Sales Taxes

#65 Self-Employment Taxes

#66 Sewer & Water Taxes

#67 School Taxes

#68 Septic Permit Taxes

#69 Service Charge Taxes

#70 Social Security Taxes

#71 Special Assessments For Road Repairs Or Construction

#72 Sports Stadium Taxes

#73 State Corporate Taxes

#74 State Income Taxes

#75 State Park Entrance Fees

#76 State Unemployment Taxes (SUTA)

#77 Tanning Taxes (a new Obamacare tax on tanning services)

#78 Telephone 911 Service Taxes

#79 Telephone Federal Excise Taxes

#80 Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Taxes

#81 Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Taxes

#82 Telephone State And Local Taxes

#83 Telephone Universal Access Taxes

#84 The Alternative Minimum Tax

#85 Tire Recycling Fees

#86 Tire Taxes

#87 Tolls (another form of taxation)

#88 Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)

#89 Use Taxes (Out of state purchases, etc.)

#90 Utility Taxes

#91 Vehicle Registration Taxes

#92 Waste Management Taxes

#93 Water Rights Fees

#94 Watercraft Registration & Licensing Fees

#95 Well Permit Fees

#96 Workers Compensation Taxes

#97 Zoning Permit Fees


None of these were included in your infallible Wikipedia link. Here is a related infographic for you since you are so averse to reading.


Note: this is just state and federal income taxes.
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March 17, 2016, 11:30:24 AM
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Techshare, always saying bullshit like the good little dog he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates
Here is the list of taxes by country. Could you say again that USA taxes are the highest in the world?

-bullshit-


When you say more taxes than almost anyone on the planet you forget Europe then.

And you do realize that your taxes don't repay fed reserve interest in a great part? 56% of your budget is for the army.
Army budget: 600 millions 56%
Education budget: 60 millions 6%
Welfare: 56 millions 6%

Clearly Welfare is going to ruin your country xD
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March 17, 2016, 05:34:26 PM
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Techshare, always saying bullshit like the good little dog he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates
Here is the list of taxes by country. Could you say again that USA taxes are the highest in the world?

-bullshit-


When you say more taxes than almost anyone on the planet you forget Europe then.

And you do realize that your taxes don't repay fed reserve interest in a great part? 56% of your budget is for the army.
Army budget: 600 millions 56%
Education budget: 60 millions 6%
Welfare: 56 millions 6%

Clearly Welfare is going to ruin your country xD

Maybe you should stop talking about subjects you don't know anything about?

Those numbers are wrong.
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Techshare, always saying bullshit like the good little dog he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates
Here is the list of taxes by country. Could you say again that USA taxes are the highest in the world?

-bullshit-


When you say more taxes than almost anyone on the planet you forget Europe then.

And you do realize that your taxes don't repay fed reserve interest in a great part? 56% of your budget is for the army.
Army budget: 600 millions 56%
Education budget: 60 millions 6%
Welfare: 56 millions 6%

Clearly Welfare is going to ruin your country xD

Maybe you should stop talking about subjects you don't know anything about?

Those numbers are wrong.


there ya go... numbers: > http://www.usdebtclock.org/




but butt... climate chaannnnge!! Lips sealed Grin
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March 19, 2016, 03:07:57 AM
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Government regulation leads to a hidden “tax” as businesses obviously pass along compliance costs to consumers. This regulation jungle is a nightmare in Europe and may be even worse in the United States. Both places the government definitely controls more than half of the economy through taxes and compliance costs.

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March 19, 2016, 03:13:13 AM
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Ten Thousand Commandments: An Annual Snapshot of the Federal Regulatory State, a report by Clyde Wayne Crews

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/10KC_2015-FINAL_Embargoed-PDF.pdf

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Falling Sea Level



Sea level has been falling on the Atlantic seaboard for the past six years.











https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/falling-sea-level/


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Falling Sea Level



Sea level has been falling on the Atlantic seaboard for the past six years.










0.2 meters in six years does not seem possible.


https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/falling-sea-level/



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Falling Sea Level
Sea level has been falling on the Atlantic seaboard for the past six years.

https://i.sli.mg/ciB20c.png
https://i.sli.mg/bL7W7B.png

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/falling-sea-level/
Nice world map with up and down arrows here:
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html
If you click on an arrow and then on the "linear trend" link you can see the graph.

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Falling Sea Level
Sea level has been falling on the Atlantic seaboard for the past six years.

https://i.sli.mg/ciB20c.png
https://i.sli.mg/bL7W7B.png

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/falling-sea-level/
Nice world map with up and down arrows here:
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html
If you click on an arrow and then on the "linear trend" link you can see the graph.


You mean... You have to think before even posting anything? Would it be possible that sea level is rising as 100% of scientists are saying.?

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March 25, 2016, 01:53:21 PM
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Where I am the sea level is supposed to be rising by 2.3 millimeters per year. Well, that is really minuscule to say the least. If the rate is increasing it might mean something.

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March 25, 2016, 02:02:31 PM
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P.S. I bet you think that minuscule is a misspelling but actually miniscule is:

“The correct spelling is minuscule rather than miniscule. The latter is a common error, which has arisen by analogy with other words beginning with “mini”, where the meaning is similarly ‘very small’.” --The New Oxford Dictionary of English, Oxford University Press, 1998

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March 26, 2016, 03:25:26 PM
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http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/polar-vortex-to-plunge-cold-into-midwest-east-us-early-april/56265180


Polar vortex to plunge cold into midwestern, eastern US in early April
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Please use ordinary weather events to propagate the agreed upon narrative.

Let no weather go to waste.

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Record Cold Headed For U.S. Midwest, East

MARCH 26, 2016

“Could spell peril for blossoming fruit trees and shrubs from parts of the Ohio and Tennessee valleys as well as portions of the Northeast,”

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Environmentalism as Religion by Michael Crichton

In 2003 Michael Crichton sent the Ecology industry into a rage by exposing them as a religion. He can get away with it because he has both the science background and enough money not to be silenced by the eco-lobby. In fact environmentalism is as much a fundamentalist' religion as that of Pat Robertson. He is correct about the religious undertones, but it's also a political movement as he points out.

In 2008 global warming has fallen off the radar as the presidential election, high energy costs, and the Wall Street meltdown have dominated the news. But this one article seems to have been left out of the discussion. Besides reports of such record cold in Mongolia killing people and livestock, the December 19, 2007 Washington Times reports:

"In Buenos Aires (Argentina), snow fell for the first time since the year 1918. Dozens of homeless people died from exposure. In Peru, 200 people died from the cold...(in 2007) Johannesburg, South Africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years. Australia...New Zealand...weather turned so cold..."


Remarks to the Commonwealth Club by Michael Crichton San Francisco September 15, 2003 (Extract)

I have been asked to talk about what I consider the most important challenge facing mankind, and I have a fundamental answer. The greatest challenge facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda. Perceiving the truth has always been a challenge to mankind, but in the information age (or as I think of it, the disinformation age) it takes on a special urgency and importance.

We must daily decide whether the threats we face are real, whether the solutions we are offered will do any good, whether the problems we're told exist are in fact real problems, or non-problems. Every one of us has a sense of the world, and we all know that this sense is in part given to us by what other people and society tell us; in part generated by our emotional state, which we project outward; and in part by our genuine perceptions of reality. In short, our struggle to determine what is true is the struggle to decide which of our perceptions are genuine, and which are false because they are handed down, or sold to us, or generated by our own hopes and fears.

As an example of this challenge, I want to talk today about environmentalism. And in order not to be misunderstood, I want it perfectly clear that I believe it is incumbent on us to conduct our lives in a way that takes into account all the consequences of our actions, including the consequences to other people, and the consequences to the environment. I believe it is important to act in ways that are sympathetic to the environment, and I believe this will always be a need, carrying into the future.

I believe the world has genuine problems and I believe it can and should be improved. But I also think that deciding what constitutes responsible action is immensely difficult, and the consequences of our actions are often difficult to know in advance. I think our past record of environmental action is discouraging, to put it mildly, because even our best intended efforts often go awry. But I think we do not recognize our past failures, and face them squarely. And I think I know why.

I studied anthropology in college, and one of the things I learned was that certain human social structures always reappear. They can't be eliminated from society. One of those structures is religion. Today it is said we live in a secular society in which many people---the best people, the most enlightened people---do not believe in any religion. But I think that you cannot eliminate religion from the psyche of mankind. If you suppress it in one form, it merely re-emerges in another form. You can not believe in God, but you still have to believe in something that gives meaning to your life, and shapes your sense of the world. Such a belief is religious.

Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.

There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe.

Eden, the fall of man, the loss of grace, the coming doomsday---these are deeply held mythic structures. They are profoundly conservative beliefs. They may even be hard-wired in the brain, for all I know. I certainly don't want to talk anybody out of them, as I don't want to talk anybody out of a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God who rose from the dead. But the reason I don't want to talk anybody out of these beliefs is that I know that I can't talk anybody out of them. These are not facts that can be argued. These are issues of faith.

And so it is, sadly, with environmentalism. Increasingly it seems facts aren't necessary, because the tenets of environmentalism are all about belief. It's about whether you are going to be a sinner, or saved. Whether you are going to be one of the people on the side of salvation, or on the side of doom. Whether you are going to be one of us, or one of them.

Am I exaggerating to make a point? I am afraid not. Because we know a lot more about the world than we did forty or fifty years ago. And what we know now is not so supportive of certain core environmental myths, yet the myths do not die. Let's examine some of those beliefs.

There is no Eden. There never was. What was that Eden of the wonderful mythic past? Is it the time when infant mortality was 80%, when four children in five died of disease before the age of five? When one woman in six died in childbirth? When the average lifespan was 40, as it was in America a century ago. When plagues swept across the planet, killing millions in a stroke. Was it when millions starved to death? Is that when it was Eden?

...In short, the romantic view of the natural world as a blissful Eden is only held by people who have no actual experience of nature. People who live in nature are not romantic about it at all. They may hold spiritual beliefs about the world around them, they may have a sense of the unity of nature or the aliveness of all things... If Eden is a fantasy that never existed, and mankind wasn't ever noble and kind and loving, if we didn't fall from grace, then what about the rest of the religious tenets? What about salvation, sustainability, and judgment day? What about the coming environmental doom from fossil fuels and global warming, if we all don't get down on our knees and conserve every day?

Well, it's interesting. You may have noticed that something has been left off the doomsday list, lately. Although the preachers of environmentalism have been yelling about population for fifty years, over the last decade world population seems to be taking an unexpected turn. Fertility rates are falling almost everywhere.

As a result, over the course of my lifetime the thoughtful predictions for total world population have gone from a high of 20 billion, to 15 billion, to 11 billion (which was the UN estimate around 1990) to now 9 billion, and soon, perhaps less. There are some who think that world population will peak in 2050 and then start to decline. There are some who predict we will have fewer people in 2100 than we do today.

Is this a reason to rejoice, to say halleluiah? Certainly not. Without a pause, we now hear about the coming crisis of world economy from a shrinking population. We hear about the impending crisis of an aging population. Nobody anywhere will say that the core fears expressed for most of my life have turned out not to be true...

Okay, so, the preachers made a mistake. They got one prediction wrong; they're human. So what. Unfortunately, it's not just one prediction. It's a whole slew of them. We are running out of oil. We are running out of all natural resources. Paul Ehrlich: 60 million Americans will die of starvation in the 1980s. Forty thousand species become extinct every year.

Half of all species on the planet will be extinct by 2000. And on and on and on. With so many past failures, you might think that environmental predictions would become more cautious. But not if it's a religion. Remember, the nut on the sidewalk carrying the placard that predicts the end of the world doesn't quit when the world doesn't end on the day he expects.

He just changes his placard, sets a new doomsday date, and goes back to walking the streets. One of the defining features of religion is that your beliefs are not troubled by facts, because they have nothing to do with facts.

...I can cite the appropriate journal articles not in whacko magazines, but in the most prestigeous science journals, such as Science and Nature. But such references probably won't impact more than a handful of you, because the beliefs of a religion are not dependant on facts, but rather are matters of faith. Unshakeable belief.



Fundamentalism

Most of us have had some experience interacting with religious fundamentalists, and we understand that one of the problems with fundamentalists is that they have no perspective on themselves. They never recognize that their way of thinking is just one of many other possible ways of thinking, which may be equally useful or good.

On the contrary, they believe their way is the right way, everyone else is wrong; they are in the business of salvation, and they want to help you to see things the right way. They want to help you be saved. They are totally rigid and totally uninterested in opposing points of view. In our modern complex world, fundamentalism is dangerous because of its rigidity and its imperviousness to other ideas.

I want to argue that it is now time for us to make a major shift in our thinking about the environment, similar to the shift that occurred around the first Earth Day in 1970, when this awareness was first heightened. But this time around, we need to get environmentalism out of the sphere of religion. We need to stop the mythic fantasies, and we need to stop the doomsday predictions. We need to start doing hard science instead.

There are two reasons why I think we all need to get rid of the religion of environmentalism.

First, we need an environmental movement, and such a movement is not very effective if it is conducted as a religion. We know from history that religions tend to kill people, and environmentalism has already killed somewhere between 10-30 million people since the 1970s. It's not a good record. Environmentalism needs to be absolutely based in objective and verifiable science, it needs to be rational, and it needs to be flexible...

How will we manage to get environmentalism out of the clutches of religion, and back to a scientific discipline? There's a simple answer: we must institute far more stringent requirements for what constitutes knowledge in the environmental realm. I am thoroughly sick of politicized so-called facts that simply aren't true. It isn't that these "facts" are exaggerations of an underlying truth.

Nor is it that certain organizations are spinning their case to present it in the strongest way. Not at all---what more and more groups are doing is putting out is lies, pure and simple. Falsehoods that they know to be false...

At this moment, the EPA is hopelessly politicized. In the wake of Carol Browner, it is probably better to shut it down and start over. What we need is a new organization much closer to the FDA. We need an organization that will be ruthless about acquiring verifiable results, that will fund identical research projects to more than one group, and that will make everybody in this field get honest fast...So it's time to abandon the religion of environmentalism, and return to the science of environmentalism, and base our public policy decisions firmly on that.

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Human Ecology: Problems & Solutions

Paul Ehrlich, Anne Ehrlich, &  John Holdren

Chapter TEN

Synthesis and Recommendations

[Page 277]

Summary

To recapitulate, we would outline the present world situation as follows:

1.      Considering present technology and patterns of human behavior, our planet is grossly overpopulated. Between 2 and 3 billion people are not being properly cared for now. Under such circumstances, the contention of some that many more people can be easily and properly cared for in the near future is preposterous. When every human being has abundant and varied food, ade­quate clothing and shelter, first-rate medical care, ample educational oppor­tunity, and freedom from war and tyranny, then perhaps consideration of whether more people can be given first-class accommodation on Spaceship Earth will be appropriate.

2.      The large absolute number of people and the rate of population growth are themselves major hindrances to fulfilling the above-named needs of all of mankind.

3.      The limits of human capability to produce food by conventional means have very nearly been reached. Problems of supply and distribution already have resulted in roughly half of humanity being undernourished or malnour­ished. As many as 10-20 million people are starving to death annually.

4.      Attempts to increase food production further will tend to accelerate the deterioration of our environment, which in turn may eventually reduce the capacity of the Earth to produce food. It is not clear whether environmental decay has now gone so far as to be essentially irreversible; it is possible that [Page 278] the capacity of the planet to support human beings has been permanently im­paired.

5.      There is good reason to believe that population growth increases the probability of a lethal worldwide plague and of a thermonuclear war. Either could provide a catastrophic “death-rate solution” to the population problem; each is potentially capable of destroying civilization and even of driving Homo sapiens to extinction.

6.      Perhaps more likely than extinction is the possibility that man will sur­vive only to endure an existence barely recognizable as human-malnourished, beset by chronic disease, physically and emotionally impoverished, sur­rounded by the devastation wrought by an industrial civilization that could not cope with the results of its own biological and social folly.

7.        There are no simple answers to these threats, no technological panaceas for the complex of problems comprising the population-food-environment crisis. Of course, technology, properly applied in such areas as pollution abate­ment, communications, and fertility control, can provide valuable assistance. But the essential solutions entail dramatic and rapid changes in human atti­tudes, especially those relating to reproductive behavior, economic growth, technology, the environment, and resolution of conflicts.

Recommendations: A Positive Program

Although our conclusions are necessarily rather pessimistic, we wish to em­phasize our belief that the problems can be solved. Whether they will be solved is another question. A general course of action that we feel will have some chance of ameliorating the results of the current crisis is outlined below. Many of the suggestions will seem “unrealistic,” and indeed that is how we view them. But the world has been allowed to run downhill for so long that only idealistic and very far-reaching programs offer any hope for the future.

1        Population control is absolutely essential if the problems now facing mankind are to be solved. It is not, however, a panacea. If population growth were halted immediately, virtually all other human problems–poverty, racial tensions, urban blight, environmental decay, warfare-would remain. On the other hand, direct attacks on these problems will ultimately fail if the human population continues to grow. The situation is best summarized in the state­ment: “Whatever your cause, it’s a lost cause without population control.”

2        Political pressure must be applied immediately to induce the United States government to assume its responsibility to halt the growth of the Ameri­can population. Once growth is halted, the government should undertake to influence the birth rate so that the population is reduced to an optimum size and maintained there. It is essential that a grassroots political movement be [Page 279]generated to convince our legislators and the executive branch of the govern­ment that they must act promptly. The program should be based on what poli­ticians understand best-votes. Presidents, Congressmen, Senators, and other elected officials who do not deal effectively with the crisis must be defeated at the polls, and more intelligent and responsible candidates must be elected. It is unfortunate that at the time of the greatest crisis the United States and the world have ever faced, many Americans, especially the young, have given up hope that the government can be modernized and changed in direction through the functioning of the elective process. Their despair may have some founda­tion, but we see no choice but to launch a prolonged and determined attempt to wrest control of the political system from the special interests which now run it and to turn it over to the people.

3        A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environ­ment in North America and to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the global resource situation. Resources and energy must be diverted from frivolous and wasteful uses in overdevel­oped countries to filling the genuine needs of underdeveloped countries. This effort must be largely political, especially with regard to our overexploitation of world resources, but the campaign should be strongly supplemented by legal and boycott action against polluters and others whose activities damage the environment. The need for de–development presents our economists with a major challenge. They must design a stable, low–consumption economy in which there is a much more equitable distribution of wealth than in the present one. Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being.

4        Once the United States has clearly started on the path of cleaning up its own mess, it can then turn its attention to the problems of the de–development of the other DCs, population control, and ecologically feasible development of the UDCs. It must use every peaceful means at its disposal to persuade the Soviet Union and other DCs to join the effort, in line with the general proposals of Lord Snow and Academician Sakharov.

5        Perhaps the major necessary ingredient that has been missing from a solution to the problems of both the United States and the rest of the world is a goal, a vision of the kind of Spaceship Earth that ought to be and the kind of crew that should man her. Society has always had its visionaries who talked of love, beauty, peace, and plenty. But somehow the “practical” men have always been there to praise smog as a sign of progress, to preach “just” wars, and to restrict love while giving hate free rein. It must be one of the greatest ironies of the history of the human species that the only salvation for the practical men now lies in what they think of as the dreams of idealists. The question now is: can the self-proclaimed “realists” be persuaded to face reality in time?

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