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The analysis is wrong on many levels.
Right now there is enough space to grow enough food for 9-10 billion people.
Main problem is though majority of food is grown in industry nation where 30-40% of good edible food is wasted and thrown away.

On the other side starving people just cant afford the money to buy food.

Just by improving our food managment - i.e. like france is doing right now - would be a big step ahead.

[galdur]

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The analysis is wrong on many levels.
Right now there is enough space to grow enough food for 9-10 billion people.
Main problem is though majority of food is grown in industry nation where 30-40% of good edible food is wasted and thrown away.

On the other side starving people just cant afford the money to buy food.

Just by improving our food managment - i.e. like france is doing right now - would be a big step ahead.

The world is totally drowning in food. There is record crop yield year after year. Most commodities are at a multi year even 20 year bottom. It´s staggering abundance but also stupendous waste. It´s true, much of all this food is being thrown away.

[Spendulus]

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The analysis is wrong on many levels.
Right now there is enough space to grow enough food for 9-10 billion people.
Main problem is though majority of food is grown in industry nation where 30-40% of good edible food is wasted and thrown away.

On the other side starving people just cant afford the money to buy food.

Just by improving our food managment - i.e. like france is doing right now - would be a big step ahead.

Bolded above is not actually a problem.  For example suppose by edict you move some of the food around, then ten years later the impoverished areas are again impoverished.  For a while they ate good, everyone had the normal number of births, 6 per family, then that many more people were impoverished and starving.

[galdur]

It´s a problem in the eyes of those who create this global warming menace. It´s an agenda which becomes policy and then it becomes a trillion dollar industry with its trading and taxing bubbles in tow.

[Spendulus]

It´s a problem in the eyes of those who create this global warming menace. It´s an agenda which becomes policy and then it becomes a trillion dollar industry with its trading and taxing bubbles in tow.

Well, the vote in the UN, due to the composition of it, would certainly be as you say.

Many African nations have the notable distinction of foreign aid being the major source of income.

[galdur]

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I have had the impression that German politics was being manipulated by Russia to continue the dependancy on Russian natural gas.

true?

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I didnt say that a better food management would be the solution for poverty in the world but it would for sure help the starving people.

There are usually a lot of different problems coming together in 3rd world nations - from economic to social problems.

But overall we need to tackle the basic things first:
Food, education and shelter.

Without the basics i dont think there can be much improvement.

[galdur]

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I have had the impression that German politics was being manipulated by Russia to continue the dependancy on Russian natural gas.

true?

I doubt it. Germany is a U.S. vassal state, it´s under occupation. I guess that only power manipulating it is the occupying power. Russian occupying forces left Germany 20 years ago.

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I have had the impression that German politics was being manipulated by Russia to continue the dependancy on Russian natural gas.

true?

I doubt it. Germany is a U.S. vassal state, it´s under occupation. I guess that only power manipulating it is the occupying power. Russian occupying forces left Germany 20 years ago.

No.  Read about that russian pipeline.  It's an economic issue of domination.

[galdur]

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I have had the impression that German politics was being manipulated by Russia to continue the dependancy on Russian natural gas.

true?

I doubt it. Germany is a U.S. vassal state, it´s under occupation. I guess that only power manipulating it is the occupying power. Russian occupying forces left Germany 20 years ago.

No.  Read about that russian pipeline.  It's an economic issue of domination.

They´ll have to get the gas from somewhere. If not from Russia then from where? It´s a country of 80 million people with huge industries. You don´t just abolish gas like that for other energy sources which are far from  competitive anyway. If you don´t have competitive energy costs you´re not competitive at all.

[galdur]

In 2014, Germany consumed energy from the following sources:

Oil 35.0%
Bituminous coal 12.6%
Lignite 12.0%
Natural gas 20.4%
Nuclear power 8.1%
Hydropower, windpower, solar 2.1%
Other renewable 9.0%
Others 1-2%

Half of Germany's timber production is consumed by wood fired plants. Wood fired plants are counted as renewable energy by Germany and the European Union counting them as "carbon neutral".

[notbatman]

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I have had the impression that German politics was being manipulated by Russia to continue the dependancy on Russian natural gas.

true?

I doubt it. Germany is a U.S. vassal state, it´s under occupation. I guess that only power manipulating it is the occupying power. Russian occupying forces left Germany 20 years ago.

No.  Read about that russian pipeline.  It's an economic issue of domination.

They´ll have to get the gas from somewhere. If not from Russia then from where? It´s a country of 80 million people with huge industries. You don´t just abolish gas like that for other energy sources which are far from  competitive anyway. If you don´t have competitive energy costs you´re not competitive at all.

[galdur]

The problem with oil, coal and natural gas (if it´s a problem) is that the world is absolutely swimming in the stuff and therefore it´s cheap and cost-effective. It´s always about to run out according to those usual preachers of scarcity but they´re just not in touch with reality.

And when you´re competing with dirt cheap energy sources with that carbon menace hanging over you it´s those alternative energy sources and endless subsidies you end up with.

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I have had the impression that German politics was being manipulated by Russia to continue the dependancy on Russian natural gas.

true?

I doubt it. Germany is a U.S. vassal state, it´s under occupation. I guess that only power manipulating it is the occupying power. Russian occupying forces left Germany 20 years ago.

No.  Read about that russian pipeline.  It's an economic issue of domination.

They´ll have to get the gas from somewhere. If not from Russia then from where? It´s a country of 80 million people with huge industries. You don´t just abolish gas like that for other energy sources which are far from  competitive anyway. If you don´t have competitive energy costs you´re not competitive at all.

[Spendulus]

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http://stopthesethings.com/

I have had the impression that German politics was being manipulated by Russia to continue the dependancy on Russian natural gas.

true?

I doubt it. Germany is a U.S. vassal state, it´s under occupation. I guess that only power manipulating it is the occupying power. Russian occupying forces left Germany 20 years ago.

No.  Read about that russian pipeline.  It's an economic issue of domination.

They´ll have to get the gas from somewhere. If not from Russia then from where? It´s a country of 80 million people with huge industries. You don´t just abolish gas like that for other energy sources which are far from  competitive anyway. If you don´t have competitive energy costs you´re not competitive at all.

It doesn't work that way.

If there's a pipeline, then there is no option but to get the gas from the pipeline.  And if the guys profitting from the pipeline feed with money and influence, the peoples' delusions about solar and wind....

The guys with the pipeline (Russia) get all the business.

Throw in a bunch of anti-coal influence just to nail the coffin shut.

Add in some anti-nuclear

See how it works?

[galdur]

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I recommend this site to understand some of the huge scams in this alternative energy business

http://stopthesethings.com/

I have had the impression that German politics was being manipulated by Russia to continue the dependancy on Russian natural gas.

true?

I doubt it. Germany is a U.S. vassal state, it´s under occupation. I guess that only power manipulating it is the occupying power. Russian occupying forces left Germany 20 years ago.

No.  Read about that russian pipeline.  It's an economic issue of domination.

They´ll have to get the gas from somewhere. If not from Russia then from where? It´s a country of 80 million people with huge industries. You don´t just abolish gas like that for other energy sources which are far from  competitive anyway. If you don´t have competitive energy costs you´re not competitive at all.

It doesn't work that way.

If there's a pipeline, then there is no option but to get the gas from the pipeline.  And if the guys profitting from the pipeline feed with money and influence, the peoples' delusions about solar and wind....

The guys with the pipeline (Russia) get all the business.

Throw in a bunch of anti-coal influence just to nail the coffin shut.

Add in some anti-nuclear

See how it works?

That pipeline appeared there for a reason I guess. The reason obviously being that those at one end wanted to buy gas from those at the other end. And as you probably don´t know this pipeline system is being expanded with pipelines through the Baltic. Again the reason is desire to buy gas. The Germans and others need more gas. It´s about cost of energy first and foremost.                                                                                                 

[Spendulus]

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I have had the impression that German politics was being manipulated by Russia to continue the dependancy on Russian natural gas.

true?

I doubt it. Germany is a U.S. vassal state, it´s under occupation. I guess that only power manipulating it is the occupying power. Russian occupying forces left Germany 20 years ago.

No.  Read about that russian pipeline.  It's an economic issue of domination.

They´ll have to get the gas from somewhere. If not from Russia then from where? It´s a country of 80 million people with huge industries. You don´t just abolish gas like that for other energy sources which are far from  competitive anyway. If you don´t have competitive energy costs you´re not competitive at all.

It doesn't work that way.

If there's a pipeline, then there is no option but to get the gas from the pipeline.  And if the guys profitting from the pipeline feed with money and influence, the peoples' delusions about solar and wind....

The guys with the pipeline (Russia) get all the business.

Throw in a bunch of anti-coal influence just to nail the coffin shut.

Add in some anti-nuclear

See how it works?

That pipeline appeared there for a reason I guess. The reason obviously being that those at one end wanted to buy gas from those at the other end. And as you probably don´t know this pipeline system is being expanded with pipelines through the Baltic. Again the reason is desire to buy gas. The Germans and others need more gas. It´s about cost of energy first and foremost.                                                                                                 

Yes I know about the expansions, and that is related, as I understand, to the last year or two of Russian military actions.

It's a bit deeper than consumer demand.  German I was recently discussing this matter, he frowned at his view of the negative environmental consequences of fracking.  But he positively cringed when I rebutted "Would you rather have your pipeline?"

[galdur]

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I recommend this site to understand some of the huge scams in this alternative energy business

http://stopthesethings.com/

I have had the impression that German politics was being manipulated by Russia to continue the dependancy on Russian natural gas.

true?

I doubt it. Germany is a U.S. vassal state, it´s under occupation. I guess that only power manipulating it is the occupying power. Russian occupying forces left Germany 20 years ago.

No.  Read about that russian pipeline.  It's an economic issue of domination.

They´ll have to get the gas from somewhere. If not from Russia then from where? It´s a country of 80 million people with huge industries. You don´t just abolish gas like that for other energy sources which are far from  competitive anyway. If you don´t have competitive energy costs you´re not competitive at all.

It doesn't work that way.

If there's a pipeline, then there is no option but to get the gas from the pipeline.  And if the guys profitting from the pipeline feed with money and influence, the peoples' delusions about solar and wind....

The guys with the pipeline (Russia) get all the business.

Throw in a bunch of anti-coal influence just to nail the coffin shut.

Add in some anti-nuclear

See how it works?

That pipeline appeared there for a reason I guess. The reason obviously being that those at one end wanted to buy gas from those at the other end. And as you probably don´t know this pipeline system is being expanded with pipelines through the Baltic. Again the reason is desire to buy gas. The Germans and others need more gas. It´s about cost of energy first and foremost.                                                                                                 

Yes I know about the expansions, and that is related, as I understand, to the last year or two of Russian military actions.

It's a bit deeper than consumer demand.  German I was recently discussing this matter, he frowned at his view of the negative environmental consequences of fracking.  But he positively cringed when I rebutted "Would you rather have your pipeline?"

What are they going to use instead of that gas and if not this gas where are they going to get it? They need energy. And they´re under that carbon regulation. Nothing can compete with dirt cheap oil, coal and gas and the alternatives just mean constant subsidies. It´s about money, costs and competitiveness. Then they´re phasing out the nuclear power, it´s due to be out in five years.

[notbatman]

I honestly don't believe there's an issue with energy, there are technological solutions that could produce unlimited clean electrical power for civilization. Electricity can also be used for making propane, methanol and super-clean synthetic diesel until next gen replaces the old tech if it gets supplanted at all. I mean plants breathe CO2 so you shouldn't feel guilty about that methanol fueled V12 roadster at all.

It's all an artificial scarcity racket and it's in good company with global warming IMO. Stating that mankind's environmental impact is akin to that of a small volcano would be an overstatement here.