8th Alt coin thread. Or what to do now that asics are all over the place.

[soothaa]

Very happy to see another new XMR algo change upcoming. My AMD cards are hurting bad at the moment.

Switched almost everything over to ETC to mine a few dozen before the CB listing.. figure that should net me a nice pump..

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[philipma1957]

Oh... and philipma1957...

Let me state my position on ASICs definitively...

ASICs are not the enemy of centralization.  They are just a more efficient tool.  Pools are the enemy of centralization.


If you want a truly decentralized ecosystem, you have to make it anti-pool... not anti-ASIC.

I 2nd this comment.   Countless coins have had their profitability destroyed by pools like zpool.

Zpool , mining-pool hub, nice-hash drive all towards Btc.

If banned and rendered non existent you need an exchange to turn coin to btc.

If you want to be private most exchanges prevent this.

I can mine ETH on nicehash with a core wallet direct to btc and stay anonymous for years.

Same on Zpool.

Take the exchange pools out I have to hold the coin I mine . Many don’t want that risk.

Many won’t hold 1000 BTG.

But they will hold 5 BTC.

Asics builders kill coins because they can build more gear then any coin can support.

Gpu builders don’t kill coins because gpus are mixed use.

Anyone that fails to see dumping every bicycle in the world because motorbikes are faster fails to see the full picture.

But. What do I know not much as I see but a piece of the puzzle.

I am for some asics
I am for some FPGAs
I am for some Gpus
I am for some CPUs

To mine various coins and algos

Just as I am for

Bicycles
Motorbikes
Cars
Trucks
Buses

To take care of various transportation needs

I get that, but my problem with them isn't dumping the coins for btc.  One pool selling coins isn't going to drive the market down.  The real issue is when they have 10-15 coins per algo, mine on each coin when the difficulty is low, once the difficulty skyrockets they move on to the next coin.  They currently have 11 TH/S on blake2s right now, with 5 different coins.  They will put 100% hashrate on a tiny altcoin until the difficulty on another one goes down.  Talk about centralization.  They control way over 51% of the hashrate on many coins.

That is why they are shit coins 

New Algo=  1 New-coin    = fine
New Algo = 5 New-Coins  a,b,c,d,e = shit coins and shit developers  because of the flaw you point out.

also just think if  there was a crypto rule 1 coin for an algo  vs 10 or more  coins per algo

that has a separate set of problems one being you can not enforce it.

[adaseb]

Been out of the ASIC loop for a while.

A buddy wants to get a quiet (non-loud) ASIC to play around with Cryptos. He will be sleeping in the same room as the ASIC and wants it to make heat and noise but not too much heat and noise.

Only one I Could think of was that Antminer S7-LN that he can hack and add some case fans.

Any other quiet ASICs out there? Similiar to an Antminer S3 in noise?

[rs1x]

Been out of the ASIC loop for a while.

A buddy wants to get a quiet (non-loud) ASIC to play around with Cryptos. He will be sleeping in the same room as the ASIC and wants it to make heat and noise but not too much heat and noise.

Only one I Could think of was that Antminer S7-LN that he can hack and add some case fans.

Any other quiet ASICs out there? Similiar to an Antminer S3 in noise?

L3+ you can lower voltage as well. There also is a third party firmware floating around somewhere

[gotminer]

Been out of the ASIC loop for a while.

A buddy wants to get a quiet (non-loud) ASIC to play around with Cryptos. He will be sleeping in the same room as the ASIC and wants it to make heat and noise but not too much heat and noise.

Only one I Could think of was that Antminer S7-LN that he can hack and add some case fans.

Any other quiet ASICs out there? Similiar to an Antminer S3 in noise?

He wants to play around with crypto's?  If his only interest in mining is to trade for other crypto's, he might as well just start learning to trade.  And if he wants to learn anything about mining, buying an ASIC isn't going to teach him anything.  ASIC's are plug n play with zero ability to switch algo's.

[VoskCoin]

Been out of the ASIC loop for a while.

A buddy wants to get a quiet (non-loud) ASIC to play around with Cryptos. He will be sleeping in the same room as the ASIC and wants it to make heat and noise but not too much heat and noise.

Only one I Could think of was that Antminer S7-LN that he can hack and add some case fans.

Any other quiet ASICs out there? Similiar to an Antminer S3 in noise?

e3 is the best bet of any recent releases, I actually show its volume / DB on a recent video if you want to send it to him

https://youtu.be/nz2vgNnlSJY

[VoskCoin]

Oh... and philipma1957...

Let me state my position on ASICs definitively...

ASICs are not the enemy of centralization.  They are just a more efficient tool.  Pools are the enemy of centralization.


If you want a truly decentralized ecosystem, you have to make it anti-pool... not anti-ASIC.

I 2nd this comment.   Countless coins have had their profitability destroyed by pools like zpool.

Zpool , mining-pool hub, nice-hash drive all towards Btc.

If banned and rendered non existent you need an exchange to turn coin to btc.

If you want to be private most exchanges prevent this.

I can mine ETH on nicehash with a core wallet direct to btc and stay anonymous for years.

Same on Zpool.

Take the exchange pools out I have to hold the coin I mine . Many don’t want that risk.

Many won’t hold 1000 BTG.

But they will hold 5 BTC.

Asics builders kill coins because they can build more gear then any coin can support.

Gpu builders don’t kill coins because gpus are mixed use.

Anyone that fails to see dumping every bicycle in the world because motorbikes are faster fails to see the full picture.

But. What do I know not much as I see but a piece of the puzzle.

I am for some asics
I am for some FPGAs
I am for some Gpus
I am for some CPUs

To mine various coins and algos

Just as I am for

Bicycles
Motorbikes
Cars
Trucks
Buses

To take care of various transportation needs

That's an interesting comparison, it is too bad Bitmain is trying to build their buses for every coin/algo currently lol

[philipma1957]

Been out of the ASIC loop for a while.

A buddy wants to get a quiet (non-loud) ASIC to play around with Cryptos. He will be sleeping in the same room as the ASIC and wants it to make heat and noise but not too much heat and noise.

Only one I Could think of was that Antminer S7-LN that he can hack and add some case fans.

Any other quiet ASICs out there? Similiar to an Antminer S3 in noise?

L3+ you can lower voltage as well. There also is a third party firmware floating around somewhere

I have more then one modded l3+  you can drop to 700 watts and set fans at 30%

it earns about 0.025 ltc a day or $1.75

700 x 24 = about 17 k-watts  so at 10 cent power  it is breakeven.

[gotminer]

And again ... Why?  If he wants to learn about mining and has no knowledge of mining or trading crypto, why would he want something that he can mine one coin with?  I don't understand. 

[ZedZedNova]

Been out of the ASIC loop for a while.

A buddy wants to get a quiet (non-loud) ASIC to play around with Cryptos. He will be sleeping in the same room as the ASIC and wants it to make heat and noise but not too much heat and noise.

Only one I Could think of was that Antminer S7-LN that he can hack and add some case fans.

Any other quiet ASICs out there? Similiar to an Antminer S3 in noise?

If you can find a S7-LN and perform sidehack's voltage mod (or pay sidehack to mod it for you), it allows you to run the fans nice and slow so it is quiet. Before I switched mine off (well, the PSU stopped working, and it was losing money anyway due to power costs) it was quiet enough to have ~4 feet away from my desk in a small home office where I would make/take calls, watch TV, and carry on conversations in a normal tone of voice.

[adaseb]

Thanks for the replies. I didn't know you could voltage mod the L3 all the way down to 700 Watts or so.

Do you know if it can be done without any additional hardware such as a dongle? Because with the sidehack S7-LN mod, you need to buy some special part to communicate with the controller and get it to undervolt.

[philipma1957]

Thanks for the replies. I didn't know you could voltage mod the L3 all the way down to 700 Watts or so.

Do you know if it can be done without any additional hardware such as a dongle? Because with the sidehack S7-LN mod, you need to buy some special part to communicate with the controller and get it to undervolt.

you ssh in

 there is a thread with instructions

I find a 700 watt setting will support about 480 hash rate

[rs1x]

Thanks for the replies. I didn't know you could voltage mod the L3 all the way down to 700 Watts or so.

Do you know if it can be done without any additional hardware such as a dongle? Because with the sidehack S7-LN mod, you need to buy some special part to communicate with the controller and get it to undervolt.

The tool is all software based. The thread to the tool can be found at the link below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3546316.0


The thread is full of good information and should answer almost any question you have related to the application.

I could help you out as well if you read the thread and still have questions.

[philipma1957]

Thanks for the replies. I didn't know you could voltage mod the L3 all the way down to 700 Watts or so.

Do you know if it can be done without any additional hardware such as a dongle? Because with the sidehack S7-LN mod, you need to buy some special part to communicate with the controller and get it to undervolt.

The tool is all software based. The thread to the tool can be found at the link below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3546316.0


The thread is full of good information and should answer almost any question you have related to the application.

I could help you out as well if you read the thread and still have questions.

and as I said I have some on hand  with a psu.

I am USA based  so it may not be practical if he is not in the USA

I can get fan speeds down to 2800 which is not crazy loud

[adaseb]

Thanks for the replies. I didn't know you could voltage mod the L3 all the way down to 700 Watts or so.

Do you know if it can be done without any additional hardware such as a dongle? Because with the sidehack S7-LN mod, you need to buy some special part to communicate with the controller and get it to undervolt.

The tool is all software based. The thread to the tool can be found at the link below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3546316.0


The thread is full of good information and should answer almost any question you have related to the application.

I could help you out as well if you read the thread and still have questions.

and as I said I have some on hand  with a psu.

I am USA based  so it may not be practical if he is not in the USA

I can get fan speeds down to 2800 which is not crazy loud

I am actually up in Canada so the shipping would kill the deal.

However we checked locally on Craigslist and eBay and there is a bunch for sale nation-wide.

Wondering what a fair price is for these L3+ miners? Looking at Bitmain its around $200 USD, so is $200 USD for a used one with customs paid a fair price?

[philipma1957]

Thanks for the replies. I didn't know you could voltage mod the L3 all the way down to 700 Watts or so.

Do you know if it can be done without any additional hardware such as a dongle? Because with the sidehack S7-LN mod, you need to buy some special part to communicate with the controller and get it to undervolt.

The tool is all software based. The thread to the tool can be found at the link below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3546316.0


The thread is full of good information and should answer almost any question you have related to the application.

I could help you out as well if you read the thread and still have questions.

and as I said I have some on hand  with a psu.

I am USA based  so it may not be practical if he is not in the USA

I can get fan speeds down to 2800 which is not crazy loud

I am actually up in Canada so the shipping would kill the deal.

However we checked locally on Craigslist and eBay and there is a bunch for sale nation-wide.

Wondering what a fair price is for these L3+ miners? Looking at Bitmain its around $200 USD, so is $200 USD for a used one with customs paid a fair price?

canada eBay has them for

280 cad
 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Scrypt-Miner-ANTMINER-L3-US-STock/202390629798?

290 cad
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Bitmain-Antminer-L3-504-MH-s-Litecoin-Miner/142893072558?

If you ran a want to buy here in our market place offer to pay BTC or LTC  I would think  a canadian member would beat those prices since you use crypotcoin to pay.

They will be nice in the winter and besides the 700 watts for 480mh with the software  vs 820 watts for 500 no software

  you can lower clock to get lower watts

[philipma1957]

did a lot of careful sales shopping and

Grabbed parts for a thread ripper build

1920x             for      402 new
taichi x399      for      280 new
2x16 = 32gb ram      220 new
nvme  m2 1tb   for    230 new
evga 1000 plat  for   130 new
evga  water cooler for 89 new

thermaltake core x9 case  140 new

total of 1491     not counting the  1080tis'

and I have some old 1080tis to drop in

should be a nice case/pc

the most powerful one I have ever owned.

I can upgrade  with this cpu as a direct drop in

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113541&cm_re=ryzen_2990wx-_-19-113-541-_-Product


once I get a better price for it then 1799

[VoskCoin]

did a lot of careful sales shopping and

Grabbed parts for a thread ripper build

1920x             for      402 new
taichi x399      for      280 new
2x16 = 32gb ram      220 new
nvme  m2 1tb   for    230 new
evga 1000 plat  for   130 new
evga  water cooler for 89 new

thermaltake core x9 case  140 new

total of 1491     not counting the  1080tis'

and I have some old 1080tis to drop in

should be a nice case/pc

the most powerful one I have ever owned.

I can upgrade  with this cpu as a direct drop in

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113541&cm_re=ryzen_2990wx-_-19-113-541-_-Product


once I get a better price for it then 1799

pretty nice price on the 1920x, ebay?

[philipma1957]

did a lot of careful sales shopping and

Grabbed parts for a thread ripper build

1920x             for      402 new
taichi x399      for      280 new
2x16 = 32gb ram      220 new
nvme  m2 1tb   for    230 new
evga 1000 plat  for   130 new
evga  water cooler for 89 new

thermaltake core x9 case  140 new

total of 1491     not counting the  1080tis'

and I have some old 1080tis to drop in

should be a nice case/pc

the most powerful one I have ever owned.

I can upgrade  with this cpu as a direct drop in

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113541&cm_re=ryzen_2990wx-_-19-113-541-_-Product


once I get a better price for it then 1799

pretty nice price on the 1920x, ebay?

475 then a 15% off and 1% ebucks

The case is really nice as it allows four hybrid 1080tis and a water cooler for the cpu.

[ATCkit2]

did a lot of careful sales shopping and

Grabbed parts for a thread ripper build

1920x             for      402 new
taichi x399      for      280 new
2x16 = 32gb ram      220 new
nvme  m2 1tb   for    230 new
evga 1000 plat  for   130 new
evga  water cooler for 89 new

thermaltake core x9 case  140 new

total of 1491     not counting the  1080tis'

and I have some old 1080tis to drop in

should be a nice case/pc

the most powerful one I have ever owned.

I can upgrade  with this cpu as a direct drop in

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113541&cm_re=ryzen_2990wx-_-19-113-541-_-Product


once I get a better price for it then 1799

Interesting build.That will keep your "juices flowing" for awhile. The thermaltake core x9 case is nice to work with. I have a couple and had as many as 12 GPUs in one case.