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Author Topic: [ANN][MOON] Mooncoin: You know where it's headed! KGW exploit FIXED 4/3/2014  (Read 1106899 times)
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July 05, 2014, 09:43:41 PM
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Hello,

Is mooncoin dead?

I have one gaw fury that i not use right now, Is it wise to let my Gaw fury mine only mooncoin?



The more interesting question is: Why do you have a GAW Fury that you "don't use right now"?

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July 05, 2014, 11:16:13 PM
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MOON is not dead and never will !!!

enjoy some music at http://www.musicformoon.com   Grin

donations in mooncoin only are welcome.  Smiley

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July 06, 2014, 02:19:59 AM
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Hello,

Is mooncoin dead?

I have one gaw fury that i not use right now, Is it wise to let my Gaw fury mine only mooncoin?



The more interesting question is: Why do you have a GAW Fury that you "don't use right now"?


Me and my friend got a lot of miner off GAWminers, and got a bunch of GAW furys for free.
We were surprised to find the free miners in the boxes.

A friend (running the technical stuff, mentions we could use this miners to mine a dying coin for fun.
I used mooncoin-mining-calculator, but the income of one two of more miners is not conclusive.

$0,95 a furry each hour seems a bit optimistic, other hand difficulty is all time low.
We have 6 fury`s for this small extra project. Maybe start a private pool?
 

Get a HUGE 3% discount with promo code: MOON @ Genesis Mining
https://www.genesis-mining.com
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July 06, 2014, 08:17:23 AM
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any active pools for mooncoin or p2p ?

and btw we still accepting this fantastic mooncoin as donations on our website, see the first link in my signature,
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July 07, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
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We're sorry, we couldn't help ourselves ....

[ANN] The nearly-infamous Three Moon Wolf T-shirt.

https://i.imgur.com/VpR06mM.jpg


Cheers,

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Coinflow asked "From where is the T-shirt? Do I have to know any story behind this?" on the MoonCoin sub-reddit. Thought I might as well share the reply here too...

It's an affectionate homage to the 3 wolf moon t-shirt, which became something of a meme due to hilarious Amazon products reviews...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Mountain-Three-Short-Sleeve/product-reviews/B007I4HI1K/ref=sr_1_2_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Imagine what a Three Moon Wolf shirt could do for you! Wink
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July 08, 2014, 10:18:42 AM
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I have 6 billions but i want more  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

During this days i'll receive some hundreds of Litecoins, and i'll buy all at 5 and 6 litoshi...

Somebody is acumulating mooncoins too... jijijiji

All is an illusion, there is only energy flowing
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July 08, 2014, 11:26:40 AM
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Mooncoin is going steady and block halving from 1 mln to 600k is getting nearer.

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July 08, 2014, 11:39:27 AM
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WTS 56+ Mil mooncoin make offer.
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July 08, 2014, 01:25:37 PM
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I have 6 billions but i want more  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

During this days i'll receive some hundreds of Litecoins, and i'll buy all at 5 and 6 litoshi...

Somebody is acumulating mooncoins too... jijijiji
My god!!!
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July 08, 2014, 10:05:20 PM
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any active pools for mooncoin or p2p ?

For P2Pool-nodes, see here:
http://5.45.105.66:9664
http://148.251.13.168:9664

... or simply use the node-scanner: http://5.45.105.66

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July 08, 2014, 10:11:45 PM
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Hello,

Is mooncoin dead?

I have one gaw fury that i not use right now, Is it wise to let my Gaw fury mine only mooncoin?



The more interesting question is: Why do you have a GAW Fury that you "don't use right now"?
A friend (running the technical stuff, mentions we could use this miners to mine a dying coin for fun.
What is the sense of this?

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I used mooncoin-mining-calculator, but the income of one two of more miners is not conclusive.
Keep in mind, that the Coinwarz-calculator does not work, because it assumes a BTC-market, which is not existent for Mooncoin at the moment.
The better choice for comparing Mooncoin is www.cointweak.com

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$0,95 a furry each hour seems a bit optimistic, other hand difficulty is all time low.
We have 6 fury`s for this small extra project. Maybe start a private pool?
See the posting above regarding Mooncoin-P2Pool. Would be a good choice. But only if you prefer a living coin. For a dying one, look elsewhere ...  Grin

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July 08, 2014, 10:14:30 PM
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any active pools for mooncoin or p2p ?

For P2Pool-nodes, see here:
http://5.45.105.66:9664
http://148.251.13.168:9664

... or simply use the node-scanner: http://5.45.105.66

You're welcome to jump onto mine: stratum+tcp://54.86.228.62:9664 (http://www.newmooncoin.com:8088/stats)  

All Moon all the time!
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July 09, 2014, 12:38:34 AM
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any active pools for mooncoin or p2p ?

For P2Pool-nodes, see here:
http://5.45.105.66:9664
http://148.251.13.168:9664

... or simply use the node-scanner: http://5.45.105.66

You're welcome to jump onto mine: stratum+tcp://54.86.228.62:9664 (http://www.newmooncoin.com:8088/stats)  

All Moon all the time!

Any pool fee ? Will point my asic there after I got it (somebody gave to me for free).
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July 09, 2014, 12:46:18 AM
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To the coin Dev's
What is the status of coin development?  Without active development and reports interest will continue to fall.
Why the F**k am I still holding coins Huh  PoS need to be implemented for bagholders Smiley
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July 09, 2014, 01:08:07 AM
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any active pools for mooncoin or p2p ?

For P2Pool-nodes, see here:
http://5.45.105.66:9664
http://148.251.13.168:9664

... or simply use the node-scanner: http://5.45.105.66

You're welcome to jump onto mine: stratum+tcp://54.86.228.62:9664 (http://www.newmooncoin.com:8088/stats)  

All Moon all the time!

Any pool fee ? Will point my asic there after I got it (somebody gave to me for free).

There is a 0.1% fee as a thank you to the NOMPs devs (https://github.com/zone117x/node-open-mining-portal/)
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July 09, 2014, 12:53:13 PM
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any active pools for mooncoin or p2p ?

For P2Pool-nodes, see here:
http://5.45.105.66:9664
http://148.251.13.168:9664

... or simply use the node-scanner: http://5.45.105.66

You're welcome to jump onto mine: stratum+tcp://54.86.228.62:9664 (http://www.newmooncoin.com:8088/stats)  

All Moon all the time!

Any pool fee ? Will point my asic there after I got it (somebody gave to me for free).

There is a 0.1% fee as a thank you to the NOMPs devs (https://github.com/zone117x/node-open-mining-portal/)

Any idea, why your Pool does not show up in the node-scanner-list? Normally it finds each and every P2Pool-node, that is setup as a public one. Could you check with the NOMP-developer on how to set it up to be found? Would be nice.

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July 09, 2014, 12:53:55 PM
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To the coin Dev's
What is the status of coin development?  Without active development and reports interest will continue to fall.
Why the F**k am I still holding coins Huh  PoS need to be implemented for bagholders Smiley

At the moment the coin just works. So what is the REAL problem?  Smiley

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July 09, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
Last edit: July 09, 2014, 02:13:43 PM by gjhiggins
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@Graham
More reason to consider algo change to X11.  Higher hashrates and lower power consumption Smiley
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=666252.msg7520635#msg7520635

Thanks for the suggestion and pointer, apologies for subsequent hiatus, I needed to dig deep into the cryptographic underpinnings of folklore combiners such as x11.

I'm currently looking at a couple of sources of hard data.

1. The original Classification of the SHA-3 candidates, including reported performance statistics in cpb (cycles per message block) for 256 and 512 output lengths (sometimes labelled "-32" or "-64") on 32 & 64-bit host architectures:

Name_of_hash_function32-bit_archClass'n64-bit_archClass'n
ARIRANG-25620A55.3E
ARIRANG-51214.9AA11.2B
AURORA-25624.3B15.4B
AURORA-51246.9B27.4E
BLAKE-3228.3B16.7B
BLAKE-6461.7C12.3B
Blender-32105.8E105.8E
Blender-64122.4E164.2E
BMW-2568.6AA7.85AA
BMW-51213.37AA4.06AA
Cheetah-25615.3A10.5A
Cheetah-51283.8D15.6C
Chi-25649C26D
Chi-51278D16C
CRUNCH-25629.9C16.9B
CRUNCH-51286.4D46.9E
CubeHash8/1-25614A11A
CubeHash16/1-51214A11A
DynamicSHA-25627.9B27.9D
DynamicSHA-51247.2B47.2E
DynamicSHA2-25621.9B21.9C
DynamicSHA2-51267.3C67.1E
ECHO-25638D32D
ECHO-25683D66E
Edon-R-2569.1AA5.9AA
Edon-R-51213.7AA2.9AA
EnRUPT-2568.3AA8.3A
EnRUPT-5125.1AA5.1AA
Essence-256149.8E19.5B
Essence-512176.5E23.5D
Fugue-25636.2C61E
Fugue-51274.6D132.7E
Grøstl-25622.9B22.4D
Grøstl-51237.5A30.1E
Hamsi-25622B25D
JH-25621.3B16.8B
JH-51221.3AA16.8D
Keccak-25635.4C10.1A
Keccak-51268.9C20.3D
LANE-25640.4D25.6D
LANE-512152.2E145.3E
Lesamnta-25659.2E52.7E
Lesamnta-51254.5B51.2E
Luffa-25613.9AA13.4A
Luffa-51225.5AA23.2D
Lux-25616.7A28.2D
Lux-51214.9AA12.5B
MD6-25668E28D
MD6-512106D44E
NaSHA-25639D28.4D
NaSHA-51238.9A29.3E
SANDstorm-25662.5E36.5D
SANDstorm-512296.8E95.3E
Sarmal-25619.2A10A
Sarmal-51223.3AA12.6B
SHA-25629.3C20.1C
SHA-51255.2C13.1C
Shabal-25618.4A13.5A
Shabal-51218.4AA13.5C
SHAvite-3-25635.3C26.7C
SHAvite-3-51255B38.2E
SIMD-25612AA11A
SIMD-512118E85E
Skein-25621.6A7.6AA
Skein-51220.1AA6.1AA
TIB3-25612.9AA7.6A
TIB3-51217.5AA6.3AA
Twister-25635.8C15.8B
Twister-51239.6A17.5D
Vortex-25646.2D69.4E
Vortex-51256C90E

This is, of course, a preliminary classification performed in 2009.

2. Contemporary detail is less accessibly presented:

http://cryptography.gmu.edu/athenadb/asic_hash/table_view

http://bench.cr.yp.to/results-sha3.html

Looking at those benchmarks, I can't immediately see anything that might explain why x11 should run cooler. You're probably closer to the x11 details than I am, (I'm still ploughing my way through the relevant literature on folklore and other combiners to see if there's any traction there), did Euan provide a technical appreciation for the choice and ordering of the chain of hash fns for x11?

Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn has provided (IMO) the clearest description of the trade-offs in a choice of basic folklore combiner.

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Higher hashrates and lower power consumption

My rapid review of the x11/GPU issue (hands-off, I'm afraid; my altcoin experience is circumscribed by my entry-level Acer Sandybridge) suggests that there were contemporaneous changes to the coding of the mining app. This would be unfortunate if true; it introduces a confounding factor that undermines the credibility of claims of improved efficiency accruing from the introduction of the x11 combiner in that it's impossible to disentangle the relative contributions of performance gains from i) enhancements to the application code and/or ii) the change in combo.

But it's an ill wind that blows no good - I now have at least a plausible explanation of the difference in reception between c11 and x11 ---  I've had a very hard time persuading myself that such a significant effect was due to a simple change in the batting order. Given what I now know, Occam's Razor tells me that it probably isn't and I should look elsewhere for the source of the difference in reception/perception. If there's any reliable, robust data which points to the opposite conclusion, I'd really appreciate a pointer.

Perhaps the most significant element to emerge from my consideration of a switch to x11 is that it would come at the cost of completely ruling out any possibility of merge-mining with our current altcoin kith and kin.

Cheers

Graham

Edit: extended header for more tabular space. enumerated
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July 09, 2014, 02:06:14 PM
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@Graham
The groestl algorithm used in part of X11 seems to be the major factor in reduction of power usage and lower temps on GPU's.
See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=666252.0
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July 09, 2014, 02:19:58 PM
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@Graham
The groestl algorithm used in part of X11 seems to be the major factor in reduction of power usage and lower temps on GPU's.
See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=666252.0

I'd be grateful for some help, I can't find a mention of Groestl on any of the pages of that thread, which of the pointers should I follow?

Cheers

Graham
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