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October 16, 2014, 11:08:15 AM
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The show is well and truly over when the shills start packing their bags and moving on.

Crazyivan, shill par excellence, has moved on to pastures new, ltcgear I believe, and locked his 33 page of puffery
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527395.0

And the aggressive bullshitter bcmine has deleted most of his self moderated nonsense.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=677591.msg8200674#msg8200674


Yet another support group has sprung up on FB, Bitcoin Trader Customers Association. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1567827110107443/
It is just another band of disparate and desperate people trying to make some sense of what has happened.
Whether "Brandenburg" and Opperman are being deliberately obstructive or not, there is little to go on in terms of finding John "Mr. Big" Carley.
I think that their encouragement of the ludicrous lost at sea theory can be seen as buying time or a red herring, not helpful in any way.

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October 16, 2014, 11:28:39 AM
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there is little to go on in terms of finding John "Mr. Big" Carley.

if they found Pirate@40 and DPR, mr. Carley do not seem to have many chances to stay lost.
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October 16, 2014, 12:47:54 PM
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*IF* John Carley exists at all. Imagine he doesn't for a second. All victims trying to find a non existent person that was just set in place to take the blame while the real head(s) are laughing at the crowd hunting a phantom.
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October 16, 2014, 01:14:05 PM
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I agree. The only people who have said John Carley exists are Brandenburg and Opperman. We have no proof he exists beyond the statements of known fraudsters. So, as far as I am concerned, there is no John Carley.

There is, however, a Thomas Opperman. And he's been doxxed.
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October 16, 2014, 01:44:29 PM
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I agree. The only people who have said John Carley exists are Brandenburg and Opperman. We have no proof he exists beyond the statements of known fraudsters. So, as far as I am concerned, there is no John Carley.

There is, however, a Thomas Opperman. And he's been doxxed.

And you assume he's the same Opperman...or even a real person to begin with.

A well-played Con will have fake "legit" people.

In fact. I, personally, would setup fake 'documents' for people to "dox". Tour a neighborhood, get a feel for it. So I can act like I live there....because I know of the little park down the block that was built after a house was torn down. Or the fact the mayor was caught drinking and driving in late September for the second time.

You know, the little things that only someone from the area would know.....after all, most local papers are delivered before 6 AM Wink

Then make social media posts about those things. Set up weak passwords for those accounts so I can 'get hacked'. Maybe even go as far as to setup social media accounts for my 'fake family'.

After all, we're talking potential millions in nearly untraceable "cash" (Bitcoin). All I have to do is siphon off a lil here and there and run it through tumblers; and by little I mean a thousand or so a week. So it's more than "worth my time" to make this Con look 'legit'.


Once you know what people will look for you can easily steer them any direction you want.

PS: Most 'good' thieves don't get greedy...instead of taking that $100 in $1 bills laying on the counter; they'll take 23 and leave the rest. --Conartists are just thieves that trick you into giving them the money.
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October 16, 2014, 01:47:23 PM
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just received:

Dear Clients

Regrettably I have to announce the failure and closure of Bitcoin Trader.

While preparing for the final audit results, a task we were working on for weeks now, our bitcoin wallet has been hacked and emptied, just after exchanging our fiat holdings within the exchanges to bitcoin and transferring our entire holdings to our wallet, in order to proof our solvency.

It is a known fact that I personally opposed any proof of solvency, but agreed to conduct it for the sake of a few dozen small and medium investors.

The hacker contacted me shortly after he took advantage of our holdings and demanded a ransom in order to transfer the coins back. I have agreed to a 25% ransom of the entire sum, but haven’t heard back from him for several days now.

My aim was to create something based on trust, just as bitcoin itself is based on distributed trust. Unfortunately I must admit today, I have failed. All left to do now is to declare bankruptcy with the Panamanian authorities and to hand over all relevant files and information for further investigation.

Sincerely,
John Carley

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October 16, 2014, 01:55:32 PM
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Just like to state that all Bitcoin Trader information (Shares, Support Tickets etc) I can't gain access to anymore. No Records. John Carley has failed us.  Undecided
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October 16, 2014, 01:57:57 PM
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just received:

Dear Clients

Regrettably I have to announce the failure and closure of Bitcoin Trader.

While preparing for the final audit results, a task we were working on for weeks now, our bitcoin wallet has been hacked and emptied, just after exchanging our fiat holdings within the exchanges to bitcoin and transferring our entire holdings to our wallet, in order to proof our solvency.

It is a known fact that I personally opposed any proof of solvency, but agreed to conduct it for the sake of a few dozen small and medium investors.

The hacker contacted me shortly after he took advantage of our holdings and demanded a ransom in order to transfer the coins back. I have agreed to a 25% ransom of the entire sum, but haven’t heard back from him for several days now.

My aim was to create something based on trust, just as bitcoin itself is based on distributed trust. Unfortunately I must admit today, I have failed. All left to do now is to declare bankruptcy with the Panamanian authorities and to hand over all relevant files and information for further investigation.

Sincerely,
John Carley

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Well that was anticlimactic, lol.
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October 16, 2014, 01:59:25 PM
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post the email screen shot showing the email address (blank your's out of course).
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October 16, 2014, 02:03:41 PM
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post the email screen shot showing the email address (blank your's out of course).

its from admin@bitcoin-trader.biz, if you are affected I assume you will receive it/have received it too
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October 16, 2014, 02:05:13 PM
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Looking at the trading today, we can buy back our bitcoins.
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October 16, 2014, 02:07:29 PM
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post the email screen shot showing the email address (blank your's out of course).



Needless to say I logged in and my account was cleaned out.

This post sums up why all this bullshit is a scam
Read It. Hate It. Change the facts that it represents.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1606638.msg16139644#msg16139644
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October 16, 2014, 02:15:20 PM
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Oh well, I just wish that 2BTC i had pending had expired 1 day sooner. C'est la vie.

Gentlemen, it was a pleasure earning with you.
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October 16, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
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I hope none of you geniuses are still buying this. Why did they need to get rid of all their fiat to prove solvency? Why couldn't they just show control of wallets and trading accounts that contained all the coins they were supposed to have? Why would the hacker offer to give 75% of the coins back? Why are people stupid enough to fall for this shit over and over again?
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October 16, 2014, 02:34:35 PM
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Same case for me.

I had 10 Trading share and few $$ won by them... All is disappeared, account history too...

If history is right (BTC wallet hacked and emptied), why deleting all account history?
No logical here...
And i agree for ransom, lol, why hacker would propose this deal, it's definitively not logical...
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October 16, 2014, 02:41:27 PM
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Damn...I should have made the CS Ticket to change my email. But I figured no one was home by then Tongue

And...noooo $360 USD that where in Shares till Nov. 14th xD
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October 16, 2014, 02:54:17 PM
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Who'd have thought it would have ended like this? They seemed like such a legitimate business. And offering such believable returns with complete transparency, too.
I guess they just got really unlucky when they were trying to satisfy their over-demanding customers with the audit, right?
Face. Palm.
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October 16, 2014, 02:55:44 PM
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What a convenient and compelling story is this one crap with the hacker. Almost makes me pull some more cash and give it to John Carley to take away his grief, all his intentions were immaculate and transparent (besides his identity of course). John Carley should firstly hand over all files & documentation to the public, not to some authorities from a far away country (who I'm sure will solve the case and return the money ... with profit).

My account was fully cleaned (several hours ago), no shares, no pending cashouts, no nothing ...
I've invested all my mined earnings (~ 6 BTC at the time) and had ROI last week on 9th, the same day it all went south. 4 k USD down the drain.
Are there any legal actions that can be taken against him ? Does anyone know how he is ? There were other names involved in this scam : Michael Brandenburg, Thomas Oppermman, what about them ?
Also there were several photos posted on tweeter, does anyone recognize those persons ?
Much of the fault is on our side (investors) for being naive (and a bit greedy), but there should be someone held responsible for false advertising and stealing peoples money.

Moving from Denial to Anger ....

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October 16, 2014, 02:57:32 PM
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I lost more than 6,250 usd in shares. .....I want to find this guys.
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October 16, 2014, 03:06:49 PM
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This was just posted on the Bitcoin Trader Customers Association Facebook:

Disclaimer: All this information is public record. Any suggested links are not accusations. This is just a collection of information relating to Bitcoin Trader (BT).


Bitcoin Trader Holdings Inc.

“Bitcoin Trader Holding Inc. (trading as Bitcoin Trader) is a limited liability company duly incorporated under the laws of the Republic of Panama, having its registered office of business at Calle 53, Marbella, Av José de la Cruz Herrera, Panama and their principal place of business in London, United Kingdom.


------------------------------Company Info--------------------------------------------------------

Registered in Panama:

Info taken from Panamanian website:
No. de Ficha / Sheer No: 840485
No. documento / Document No: 2648948
No. de Escritura / Deed Number?: 20566

Agente Residente / Resident Agent: Nancy Orantes


Presidente / President: John Carley
Tesorero / Treasurer: Edgar De La Rosa
Secretario / Secretary: Edgar De la Rosa

Nombre de los Directores / Name of Directors:
John Carley
Edgar De La Rosa
Carlos Echeverria

Nombre de los Suscriptores / Name of Subscribers:
Nancy Orantes
Mariana Ortega

Note: A quick Google search e.g. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Edgar+de+la+Rosa%22+%22Carlos+Echeverria%22 finds Edgar and Carlos registered on a few companies. I a guessing Bitcoin Trader (BT) used a incorperation service to spin up BT and these are proxies?
e.g. http://ohuiginn.net/panama/company/id/662958
e.g. http://ohuiginn.net/panama/company/id/647907
e.g. http://ohuiginn.net/panama/person/EDGAR%20DE%20LA%20ROSA


------------------------------Hosting Information---------------------------------------------------


bitcoin-trader.biz is behind CloudFlare San Jose with an IP of: 198.41.190.30
www redirects to @
support. points to 198.41.186.202. A CF Netherlands IP. https redirects to @
email. as above but redirects to mailgun.com

The real IP of bitcoin-trader: 184.95.57.154
This IP resolved to: bitcoinwebhosting.net as secure/anonymous BTC accepting company.
I understand bitcoinwebhosting.net to use servers from Secured Servers LLC:

$ curl ipinfo.io/184.95.57.154
{
    "ip": "184.95.57.154",
    "hostname": "No Hostname",
    "city": "Tempe",
    "region": "Arizona",
    "country": "US",
    "loc": "33.4357,-111.9171",
    "org": "AS20454 SECURED SERVERS LLC",
    "postal": "85281"
}


------------------------------Email Info---------------------------------------------------

Outbound email is via mailgun.com




------------------------------Account Info -------------------------------------------------

Some details have been removed but the full info can be provided. This is from a wiretransfer cashout request.

WIRE TYPE:WIRE IN DATE: xxxxxx TIME:xxxx ET TRN:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx SEQ:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/xxxxxx ORIG:GLOBAL TRANSACTION SERVIC ID:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx SND BK:WELLS FARGO NY INTL ID:XXXXX PMT DET:xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - DATACLUB S.A.

I am no expert on reading these but it looks like:

Sending Bank: Wells Fargo
Sending Account: DATACLUB S.A.



------------------------------DataClub S.A.-------------------------------------------------

DataClub S.A.
99 Albert Street,
Beliza City
BELIZE
phone:   +34634908981
fax:  +34964784906
e-mail:  info (at) dataclub (dot) biz
Registration number: 93456


I understand that the owner is a Martin Teppor
https://www.facebook.com/martin.teppor


Fiat Funds when through their account to clients/customers? Is Martin the sysadmin? or "John".



While looking into DataClub IPs, I came across the following:

http://www.ipillion.com/ip/46.183.217.11

person: Sergejs Kurcanovs
address: Maskavas iela 68, Riga, Latvija
phone: +371 67881020
nic-hdl: SK5580-RIPE
mnt-by: DATACLUB-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

https://defense.lv/2013/10/09/viens-no-silk-road-serveriem-ticis-uzturets-latvija/
http://lv.linkedin.com/pub/sergejs-kurcanovs/73/77b/5b5
http://reversewhois.domaintools.com/sergejs-kurcanovs


------------------------------Other Info-------------------------------------------------

Email address: btctrader.biz@gmail.com

They have hardware orders at Alpha-T

Sysadmin might work for a Swedish IT company as his main job Their servers with Telia Sonera. Their mining equipment is supposidly hosted there as well.
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