[ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread

[bitwhizz]

why is not the ideal solution?
how long does counter party have to implement it? more so, the question,
when is luke JR getting rid of multisig?
how quickly qould it take development wise to change to to multi sig p2sh

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[romerun]

hi !

before excuse my english... i m french !

during XCP ipo, i proof of burn 4 times btc in XCP on the same address but never above 1 btc in tot.

today, i import my XCP on boottle xcp great but just the first transaction of four appaear in boottle xcp...

how can i credit the others transactions ?

Thks for your help.

JMTOOCOOL

have you checked your address with the http://blockscan.com ?

[PhantomPhreak]

why is not the ideal solution?
how long does counter party have to implement it? more so, the question,
when is luke JR getting rid of multisig?
how quickly qould it take development wise to change to something like that miltisig p2sh

1) The implementation complexity is greater than with OP_RETURN.
2) The fees are higher, too.
3) You are still creating outputs that are not immediately provably prunable.
4) It's generally hackish.

jgarzik, for one, would probably dislike the idea of using P2SH because of 3) and 4), I'd guess.

On the other hand, both P2SH and bare multi-sig give us a lot more space to work with than 80 bytes, so in the long run, unless the size of the OP_RETURN space gets increased dramatically, we also have a significant incentive to keep putting our data in fake ECDSA public keys.

There's no rush at all to move away bare multi-sig, which it has not been decided to retire anyway. It won't take long to start using other encoding methods, and I'm working on this (including pay-to-pubkeyhash) right now anyway.

[jmtoocool]

hi !

before excuse my english... i m french !

during XCP ipo, i proof of burn 4 times btc in XCP on the same address but never above 1 btc in tot.

today, i import my XCP on boottle xcp great but just the first transaction of four appaear in boottle xcp...

how can i credit the others transactions ?

Thks for your help.

JMTOOCOOL

have you checked your address with the http://blockscan.com ?

Yes, on blockscan.com, my 4 transactions appear on my btc address. The XCP sum of four transactions are correctly.

[samperi649]

hi !

before excuse my english... i m french !

during XCP ipo, i proof of burn 4 times btc in XCP on the same address but never above 1 btc in tot.

today, i import my XCP on boottle xcp great but just the first transaction of four appaear in boottle xcp...

how can i credit the others transactions ?

Thks for your help.

JMTOOCOOL

have you checked your address with the http://blockscan.com ?

Yes, on blockscan.com, my 4 transactions appear on my btc address. The XCP sum of four transactions are correctly.

And you still get total balance in bottle xcp?

[jmtoocool]

hi !

before excuse my english... i m french !

during XCP ipo, i proof of burn 4 times btc in XCP on the same address but never above 1 btc in tot.

today, i import my XCP on boottle xcp great but just the first transaction of four appaear in boottle xcp...

how can i credit the others transactions ?

Thks for your help.

JMTOOCOOL

have you checked your address with the http://blockscan.com ?

Yes, on blockscan.com, my 4 transactions appear on my btc address. The XCP sum of four transactions are correctly.

And you still get total balance in bottle xcp?

my total balance in bottle xcp is just about my first transaction, not the third others

[kdrop22]

hi !

before excuse my english... i m french !

during XCP ipo, i proof of burn 4 times btc in XCP on the same address but never above 1 btc in tot.

today, i import my XCP on boottle xcp great but just the first transaction of four appaear in boottle xcp...

how can i credit the others transactions ?

Thks for your help.

JMTOOCOOL

have you checked your address with the http://blockscan.com ?

Yes, on blockscan.com, my 4 transactions appear on my btc address. The XCP sum of four transactions are correctly.

And you still get total balance in bottle xcp?

my total balance in bottle xcp is just about my first transaction, not the third others

Use the command line tool and not the Bootle XCP. Can you see the 4 transactions. (were the total of all 4 transactions < 1 BTC).

[RoxxR]

hi !

before excuse my english... i m french !

during XCP ipo, i proof of burn 4 times btc in XCP on the same address but never above 1 btc in tot.

today, i import my XCP on boottle xcp great but just the first transaction of four appaear in boottle xcp...

how can i credit the others transactions ?

Thks for your help.

JMTOOCOOL

have you checked your address with the http://blockscan.com ?

Yes, on blockscan.com, my 4 transactions appear on my btc address. The XCP sum of four transactions are correctly.

And you still get total balance in bottle xcp?

my total balance in bottle xcp is just about my first transaction, not the third others

Use the command line tool and not the Bootle XCP. Can you see the 4 transactions. (were the total of all 4 transactions < 1 BTC).

If you got the Windows build of boottle, You can skip installing the Daemon from scratch by just holding down SHIFT while clicking on the icon.  Then you can type counterpartyd -h to see the available commands

[pmabdsf]

I'm disappointed at the ease of use after this long.  I burned with the web wallet but I'm still struggling to actually move my XCP anywhere or do anything with it.  That's definitely holding the value of this down...real people can't do anything except speculate while it's sitting in an exchange.

[l4p7]

why is not the ideal solution?
how long does counter party have to implement it? more so, the question,
when is luke JR getting rid of multisig?
how quickly qould it take development wise to change to something like that miltisig p2sh

1) The implementation complexity is greater than with OP_RETURN.
2) The fees are higher, too.
3) You are still creating outputs that are not immediately provably prunable.
4) It's generally hackish.

jgarzik, for one, would probably dislike the idea of using P2SH because of 3) and 4), I'd guess.

On the other hand, both P2SH and bare multi-sig give us a lot more space to work with than 80 bytes, so in the long run, unless the size of the OP_RETURN space gets increased dramatically, we also have a significant incentive to keep putting our data in fake ECDSA public keys.

There's no rush at all to move away bare multi-sig, which it has not been decided to retire anyway. It won't take long to start using other encoding methods, and I'm working on this (including pay-to-pubkeyhash) right now anyway.

PhantomPhreak,
are you in contact with the btc core devs so that there will no be any kind of negative surprise that Counterparty can not adapt to fast enough?

[bitwhizz]

I'm disappointed at the ease of use after this long.  I burned with the web wallet but I'm still struggling to actually move my XCP anywhere or do anything with it.  That's definitely holding the value of this down...real people can't do anything except speculate while it's sitting in an exchange.

on the other hand it Equally Might be holding the price up as its not so easy to move the coins into exchanges- , counter wallet is out soonish, not long too wait and find out

[pmabdsf]

I'm disappointed at the ease of use after this long.  I burned with the web wallet but I'm still struggling to actually move my XCP anywhere or do anything with it.  That's definitely holding the value of this down...real people can't do anything except speculate while it's sitting in an exchange.

on the other hand it Equally Might be holding the price up as its not so easy to move the coins into exchanges- , counter wallet is out soonish, not long too wait and find out

Sorry but that is a completely ridiculous argument.  That means that you're hoping that locking people's money up who aren't tech savvy enough to sell it is a good idea for the overall health of the coin.  It's frankly absurd that in 3 months a decent GUI can't be produced; or even Windows based instructions for Boottle.

[bitwhizz]

its not an argument, its just a different perspective on the fact its hard to move around XCP, to do with supply and demand , and your obviously mis interpreting my point from it
i want a gui out as i want cheap coins

 so i am not sure your point here.

[halfcab123]

I'll make a video tutorial today long over due

[freedomfighter]

I'm disappointed at the ease of use after this long.  I burned with the web wallet but I'm still struggling to actually move my XCP anywhere or do anything with it.  That's definitely holding the value of this down...real people can't do anything except speculate while it's sitting in an exchange.

on the other hand it Equally Might be holding the price up as its not so easy to move the coins into exchanges- , counter wallet is out soonish, not long too wait and find out

Sorry but that is a completely ridiculous argument.  That means that you're hoping that locking people's money up who aren't tech savvy enough to sell it is a good idea for the overall health of the coin.  It's frankly absurd that in 3 months a decent GUI can't be produced; or even Windows based instructions for Boottle.

The last thing you can say is that development is slow here. It's a world first, practically 7 weeks old or maybe 6 since the burn was over with unsurpassed achievements and progress.

do you want the community to also buy some XCPs for you? or will a wallet be enough?  

[pmabdsf]

I'm disappointed at the ease of use after this long.  I burned with the web wallet but I'm still struggling to actually move my XCP anywhere or do anything with it.  That's definitely holding the value of this down...real people can't do anything except speculate while it's sitting in an exchange.

on the other hand it Equally Might be holding the price up as its not so easy to move the coins into exchanges- , counter wallet is out soonish, not long too wait and find out

Sorry but that is a completely ridiculous argument.  That means that you're hoping that locking people's money up who aren't tech savvy enough to sell it is a good idea for the overall health of the coin.  It's frankly absurd that in 3 months a decent GUI can't be produced; or even Windows based instructions for Boottle.

The last thing you can say is that development is slow here. It's a world first, practically 7 weeks old or maybe 6 since the burn was over with unsurpassed achievements and progress.

do you want the community to also buy some XCPs for you? or a wallet will be enough?  

facepalm.

[PhantomPhreak]

why is not the ideal solution?
how long does counter party have to implement it? more so, the question,
when is luke JR getting rid of multisig?
how quickly qould it take development wise to change to something like that miltisig p2sh

1) The implementation complexity is greater than with OP_RETURN.
2) The fees are higher, too.
3) You are still creating outputs that are not immediately provably prunable.
4) It's generally hackish.

jgarzik, for one, would probably dislike the idea of using P2SH because of 3) and 4), I'd guess.

On the other hand, both P2SH and bare multi-sig give us a lot more space to work with than 80 bytes, so in the long run, unless the size of the OP_RETURN space gets increased dramatically, we also have a significant incentive to keep putting our data in fake ECDSA public keys.

There's no rush at all to move away bare multi-sig, which it has not been decided to retire anyway. It won't take long to start using other encoding methods, and I'm working on this (including pay-to-pubkeyhash) right now anyway.

PhantomPhreak,
are you in contact with the btc core devs so that there will no be any kind of negative surprise that Counterparty can not adapt to fast enough?

Yes. Of course, Bitcoin Core is entirely open source, and dramatic changes to the functionality of the software are always knowable in advance. (Unfortunately, we missed the merging of the 40-byte OP_RETURN into Bitcoin Core.) Code for getting around the disabling of bare multisig outputs will be out very soon, just in case, though.

[halfcab123]

I'm disappointed at the ease of use after this long.  I burned with the web wallet but I'm still struggling to actually move my XCP anywhere or do anything with it.  That's definitely holding the value of this down...real people can't do anything except speculate while it's sitting in an exchange.

on the other hand it Equally Might be holding the price up as its not so easy to move the coins into exchanges- , counter wallet is out soonish, not long too wait and find out

Sorry but that is a completely ridiculous argument.  That means that you're hoping that locking people's money up who aren't tech savvy enough to sell it is a good idea for the overall health of the coin.  It's frankly absurd that in 3 months a decent GUI can't be produced; or even Windows based instructions for Boottle.

The last thing you can say is that development is slow here. It's a world first, practically 7 weeks old or maybe 6 since the burn was over with unsurpassed achievements and progress.

do you want the community to also buy some XCPs for you? or a wallet will be enough?  

facepalm.

You have windows right?  To be honest if people can trust me I'll do remote sessions and help people set this up. I used to do remote sessions for my business for 3 years+

That being said I am going to try and get started on my video tutorials covering Linux window and mac

[pmabdsf]

You have windows right?  To be honest if people can trust me I'll do remote sessions and help people set this up. I used to do remote sessions for my business for 3 years+

That being said I am going to try and get started on my video tutorials covering Linux window and mac

I'm trying the build from source instructions one more time,  I'm on the APSW step now.  Thank you for the kind reply.  Do you mind if I PM you for help?

[halfcab123]

You have windows right?  To be honest if people can trust me I'll do remote sessions and help people set this up. I used to do remote sessions for my business for 3 years+

That being said I am going to try and get started on my video tutorials covering Linux window and mac

I'm trying the build from source instructions one more time,  I'm on the APSW step now.  Thank you for the kind reply.  Do you mind if I PM you for help?

Not at all. Anyone who needs helps feel free to let me know.