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[ihascryptos]

i installed the android wallet to store mined coins from ispace pool. i transfered the coins to the wallet and they never showed up.
is the android wallet bad?

[HR]

i installed the android wallet to store mined coins from ispace pool. i transfered the coins to the wallet and they never showed up.
is the android wallet bad?

Please post transaction details.

[ihascryptos]

i installed the android wallet to store mined coins from ispace pool. i transfered the coins to the wallet and they never showed up.
is the android wallet bad?

Please post transaction details.

its not the wallet. after further looking it is the pool. official pool paid in fine

[HR]

I always tried to stay away from coins I do not know the source and it has always worked out for me, but yes I got lucky in a few of them.

However, I have to say it, Bittrex is such an exchange I will never trust... Actually, most of them have similar attitude...
Listing a coin and delisting them after a short period of time.... That is questionable... I have doubts on those owners..
My suggestion is that never leave any of your long term coins over this exchange...

My suggestion is to use cryptsy, coz if they add a coin, they delist it if the coin really has a corrupted wallet and no more interest at all...
I think it should be the way it is, and this way is more sincere... It is not like Bittrex, saying lets move forward we made enough money, lets delete them... 
So be careful... you are warned. Most of you already know it, but for those of you dont know about it, now you know it...

I also believe Bittrex is not long term, it will be gone sometime, only dont know when, with their current operating strategy...

Although I agree with your driving points -- that there are some exchanges that appear to be arbitrary and unreasonable about their coin listing policy, I also think the position without direct contact with the exchange in question is prejudicial, arbitrary, and irresponsible especially when you are recommending that they not be used.

Remember, for the most part, it is the coin community that is driving the motion to be listed at the exchange, they are essentially petitioning the exchange to list their coin because they want to trade there; or that is the face of the argument.  But in reality for most CC communities they primarily want to be listed because it often has a positive effect on the value of the coin.   Sometimes, many flock to a recently added exchanges to give the impression of great excitement for the coin only for that excitement to wane to unsustainable levels on the exchange even if there were no other CC communities banging down the exchange's doors begging for inclusion and promising that their community would be far more appreciative and supportive of inclusion.

The bottom-line is neither side is perfect, however both sides could be reasonable, but for that to happen there should be dialogue.  This is a reason for coin foundations and community leadership to speak the will of the people with a single voice. 

As for Cryptsy, I used to love to trade there even when their rate was .25%, while poloniex was .2%, and mintpal (when it was owned by the good guys) was only .15%.  I used Cryptsy because they appeared to have the most selection, and the best net deals.  I say 'net deals' because I factor in the higher exchange rate, higher withdrawal fees, and the cost of my time to babysit transactions.  However, when Cryptsy instituted their sliding scale that turned me away.  If the fee is higher than .25 I don't trade regardless of the net deal.   I discussed this problem with both sides (Cryptsy and CC community)  but the community didn't substantially increase volume to warrant lower fees in Cryptsy's eyes and Cryptsy wasn't willing to grant an exception to policy waiver; as a result overall trade volume of the subject coin there has decreased dramatically.

Before you make rash decisions try to create win-win deals in this way everyone is happy or at least satisfied.


I used to get pissed at what I thought was unfair delisting practices until I reached out to the exchanges and asking why?

Cryptsy's fees are .25% for DGB trades?  And, 1 DGB for withdrawals?  If you have a verified account, and you place a "maker" order, you don't pay fees for that trade.  I'm not sure if I misinterpreted your argument, or if we're just not on the same page here?

I don't follow CEX.io.  So, I can't be 100% sure about the fact that Cryptsy has the absolute highest volume of DGB trade ... but, I'm pretty sure they do.  Generally, the daily DGB volume at Cryptsy is several times the volume at other exchanges.  That's a benefit to traders (buyers and sellers).  Markets are - by definition - the places that put buyers and sellers together.  The more buyers or sellers, the more opportunity (liquidity) for exchange.  There aren't many examples of brokerage firms in digital currency (shapeshift is a good example - but there aren't many others).  Most of us trade on open exchanges.  Because all the exchanges have the same order precedence rules, the only issues are fees, security, and liquidity (and obviously individual bias).  If a trader is churning (lots of small ping-pong bot trades), then they might strongly prefer an exchange with lower fees.  But, in the end, opportunity and risk are cousins with trading and exchanges.  We always pay for both.  I do not like Cryptsy.  That's silly.  And, I don't dislike Cryptsy.  That's silly too ...  There's nothing to like or dislike.  it's a marketplace ... it's numbers, and orders, and opportunity, and risk.  I trade where I have the lowest opportunity costs and the least risk.

Eventually, I think the digital currency markets will probably have to consolidate a bit.  There will be lots of pressure on U.S. exchanges (i.e. Cryptsy) in the coming year as major brokerage firms (Wall Street) come online.   I think it's likely that over the next 5 years we'll see many exchanges transform into brokerage companies and large exchanges emerge (likely based on geography/national currency to deal with minor differences in regulation and currency exchange).  It's easier for people in China to trade with a Chinese exchange, that's why we have different stock markets in different countries.   I understand your points about using exchanges as marketing ... for the past couple of years, people have associated more exchanges with broader adoption and short term news-related price increases.  But, more exchanges technically doesn't provide more liquidity or opportunity, it just fragments the marketplace.  In my opinion, the best thing for DGB would be strong consolidated volumes in several national markets (euro, GBP, Yuan, USD, etc.).  Regardless of where or how you trade, I hope all of you have success with your DGB trading.  I'm really looking forward to the DGB exchange; I think that will have some really great opportunities associated with it.

I wouldn't be too worried about Bittrex. CryptoRaver did well to advise us of the delistings, but those delistings don't suggest any potential problem with Bittrex, at least not in my view. If anything, those delistings should reflect positively on Bittrex since the delisting of shit coins can only help to make Bittrex look even more serious.

Be careful with Cryptsy. Cryptsy, although being 'headquartered' in Florida, is not a U.S. based company. It is based in Belize. I know I have highly recommended Cryptsy in the past, but I was missing this "small" detail. I still recommend Cryptsy, but I use Bittrex indistinctly and can say that the product and service are certainly on par. Either way, as I've always said, be very careful with any funds you have in the hands of third parties online.
http://asistec-ti.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=20&p=122#p122

[Tyke]

I have completed my research from page 1 to page 771 of this thread.  After reading from other sources, I will then begin the first draft of the book.  I feel very proud of the work I have already done

[GigaBit]

Be careful with Cryptsy. Cryptsy, although being 'headquartered' in Florida, is not a U.S. based company. It is based in Belize. I know I have highly recommended Cryptsy in the past, but I was missing this "small" detail. I still recommend Cryptsy, but I use Bittrex indistinctly and can say that the product and service are certainly on par. Either way, as I've always said, be very careful with any funds you have in the hands of third parties online.

You are missing one critical piece of information I'm afraid but not so evident.
Belize is a tax haven for many Americans and companies... so I wouldn't jump to that conclusion yet.
They also aren't bound to bend over for American laws since it's a foreign corporation.
Many companies put their assets under tax havens like Panama but in thsi case, Cryptsy would Incorporate in Belize to evade the Patriot Act also.

[24hralttrade]

I have completed my research from page 1 to page 771 of this thread.  After reading from other sources, I will then begin the first draft of the book.  I feel very proud of the work I have already done

Really looking forward reading this book!
One question, Did you buy Digibyte after reading all these pages?

[HR]

Have you guys heard of this?

https://www.goabra.com

[24hralttrade]

http://www.coindesk.com/federal-agents-face-arrest-for-alleged-silk-road-bitcoin-theft/

[halinyo]

Seems like the inflation is becoming a bit of problem again. Any thoughts on that?
If the inflation rate does not match along with the development rate, that is becoming a bit of problem.
Not too bad though, just starting a debate to learn something from you all. Cheers.

[HR]

Is anyone using the Linux wallet, specifically on Ubuntu? It takes forever to sync for the first time? There is no bootstrap.dat file for Linux? There are still shared library issues, and it can only be run from the command line prompt?

Your help and feedback will be much appreciated.


BTW, someone, thank you for "scanning and tipping". Great fun, isn't it?

[Jumbley]

Have you guys heard of this?

https://www.goabra.com

Only available in countries beginning with A apparently.  https://www.goabra.com/home.html#get_abra

It's an interesting model, I guess. Tailored to the 'transitional market' and tied to the dollar.

Not doing anything better than DGB community could if we wanted with DigiByte.

[DigiByte]

Is anyone using the Linux wallet, specifically on Ubuntu? It takes forever to sync for the first time? There is no bootstrap.dat file for Linux? There are still shared library issues, and it can only be run from the command line prompt?

Your help and feedback will be much appreciated.


BTW, someone, thank you for "scanning and tipping". Great fun, isn't it?

HR,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We have experienced some issues with syncing ourselves. We are looking in to setting up a bootsrap.dat as well as some other ways to "prune" the chain.

If anyone has any good resources or information on potential "pruning" options they have come across we would love to hear them.

[HR]

Is anyone using the Linux wallet, specifically on Ubuntu? It takes forever to sync for the first time? There is no bootstrap.dat file for Linux? There are still shared library issues, and it can only be run from the command line prompt?

Your help and feedback will be much appreciated.


BTW, someone, thank you for "scanning and tipping". Great fun, isn't it?

HR,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We have experienced some issues with syncing ourselves. We are looking in to setting up a bootsrap.dat as well as some other ways to "prune" the chain.

If anyone has any good resources or information on potential "pruning" options they have come across we would love to hear them.

Great to hear that you're working on improving the Linux client. It should be more than worth it; even though it looks like we still don't have that many Linux users, that will certainly change in the future.

[HR]

Have you guys heard of this?

https://www.goabra.com

Only available in countries beginning with A apparently.  https://www.goabra.com/home.html#get_abra

It's an interesting model, I guess. Tailored to the 'transitional market' and tied to the dollar.

Not doing anything better than DGB community could if we wanted with DigiByte.

They won the LAUNCH Festival 2015 and are getting lots of favorable press. (More info on the LAUNCH Festival can be found here - previous winners include DropBox and Stack Overflow.)

LAUNCH FESTIVAL 2015 Best overall WINNER

Could Abra be Bitcoin’s “Killer App”?

Former Netscape Director Launches Bitcoin Remittance App Abra

Abra Wins Launch Festival 2015 with Mycellium Local Trader Bitcoin Knockoff

You've got the youtube video on the presentation on this page.


Looks like they are leveraging their work-out-of-the-garage image as well.  https://www.goabra.com/about.html


They are definitely doing what we are doing and it would be very wise of us to study what they are doing very closely and go over it with a fine-tooth comb. Nobody ever said there would be just one winner in this space - look at MasterCard and Visa, for example - but three might be a crowd - look at American Express. We should learn what we can from them and not be afraid to adopt ideas that convince us and work.

I never try to reinvent the wheel and always accept other people's good ideas (even when I wish I had, and sometimes wonder how I didn't, think of them myself).

[Bluestreet]

Seems like the inflation is becoming a bit of problem again. Any thoughts on that?
If the inflation rate does not match along with the development rate, that is becoming a bit of problem.
Not too bad though, just starting a debate to learn something from you all. Cheers.

Most of the coins with low supply are easy to manipulate to higher values. Digibyte has to be looked at as a long term investment as I am sure you do see it that way, because of the amount of coins the price will also be a lot more stable then bitcoin when mass adoption occurs.

[halinyo]

Seems like the inflation is becoming a bit of problem again. Any thoughts on that?
If the inflation rate does not match along with the development rate, that is becoming a bit of problem.
Not too bad though, just starting a debate to learn something from you all. Cheers.

Most of the coins with low supply are easy to manipulate to higher values. Digibyte has to be looked at as a long term investment as I am sure you do see it that way, because of the amount of coins the price will also be a lot more stable then bitcoin when mass adoption occurs.

I dont believe the amount of supply has anything to do with manipulation.... If someone wants to manipulate, they will do it. It depend how much percentage of DGB they have, so supply in this regard, does not matter to me. And actually, when we see the mass adoption, manipulations may increase a lot.... Or huge dumps coz the industry wants their DGBs in dollars..... So from this point of view, we cannot have a direct relation, supply and manipulation.... It just depends on many of these factors, to me the most important one is the current price and people interest... Thanks.

[Bluestreet]

Seems like the inflation is becoming a bit of problem again. Any thoughts on that?
If the inflation rate does not match along with the development rate, that is becoming a bit of problem.
Not too bad though, just starting a debate to learn something from you all. Cheers.

Most of the coins with low supply are easy to manipulate to higher values. Digibyte has to be looked at as a long term investment as I am sure you do see it that way, because of the amount of coins the price will also be a lot more stable then bitcoin when mass adoption occurs.

I dont believe the amount of supply has anything to do with manipulation.... If someone wants to manipulate, they will do it. It depend how much percentage of DGB they have, so supply in this regard, does not matter to me. And actually, when we see the mass adoption, manipulations may increase a lot.... Or huge dumps coz the industry wants their DGBs in dollars..... So from this point of view, we cannot have a direct relation, supply and manipulation.... It just depends on many of these factors, to me the most important one is the current price and people interest... Thanks.

All I am saying is while the industry is young it's easy for these pump and dump groups to make money off low supply coins like DRK/DASH. Look at Doge, even though the marketcap is increasing because of the rapid increase in supply the value is staying around 50 constantly.

[24hralttrade]

Have you guys heard of this?

https://www.goabra.com

Only available in countries beginning with A apparently.  https://www.goabra.com/home.html#get_abra

It's an interesting model, I guess. Tailored to the 'transitional market' and tied to the dollar.

Not doing anything better than DGB community could if we wanted with DigiByte.

They won the LAUNCH Festival 2015 and are getting lots of favorable press. (More info on the LAUNCH Festival can be found here - previous winners include DropBox and Stack Overflow.)

LAUNCH FESTIVAL 2015 Best overall WINNER

Could Abra be Bitcoin’s “Killer App”?

Former Netscape Director Launches Bitcoin Remittance App Abra

Abra Wins Launch Festival 2015 with Mycellium Local Trader Bitcoin Knockoff

You've got the youtube video on the presentation on this page.


Looks like they are leveraging their work-out-of-the-garage image as well.  https://www.goabra.com/about.html


They are definitely doing what we are doing and it would be very wise of us to study what they are doing very closely and go over it with a fine-tooth comb. Nobody ever said there would be just one winner in this space - look at MasterCard and Visa, for example - but three might be a crowd - look at American Express. We should learn what we can from them and not be afraid to adopt ideas that convince us and work.

I never try to reinvent the wheel and always accept other people's good ideas (even when I wish I had, and sometimes wonder how I didn't, think of them myself).

It really is intresting what they do and i will follow this closely but it´s all about trusting the "buyer" & "seller" in my eyes.
In some countries you cannot even trust the exchanges over there.

Just a example,
Deposit & withdraw
A: real money,How can i be shure i dont get fake money from a unknown person.   Need to check every bill with a UV light or something.
(Also the other way around, If i want to deposit 200$ and do this by a teller. He needs to be shure i dont give him fake money.)
b:Not gonna rob me,He can get me to a place where everything is a setup and me as a tourist dont know anything about that place.
(Offcourse this is also the other way around..I can rob that guy because i know he haves some cash money.)

For me,, Money and a unknown person. Just so hard to trust.

[HR]

Have you guys heard of this?

https://www.goabra.com

Only available in countries beginning with A apparently.  https://www.goabra.com/home.html#get_abra

It's an interesting model, I guess. Tailored to the 'transitional market' and tied to the dollar.

Not doing anything better than DGB community could if we wanted with DigiByte.

They won the LAUNCH Festival 2015 and are getting lots of favorable press. (More info on the LAUNCH Festival can be found here - previous winners include DropBox and Stack Overflow.)

LAUNCH FESTIVAL 2015 Best overall WINNER

Could Abra be Bitcoin’s “Killer App”?

Former Netscape Director Launches Bitcoin Remittance App Abra

Abra Wins Launch Festival 2015 with Mycellium Local Trader Bitcoin Knockoff

You've got the youtube video on the presentation on this page.


Looks like they are leveraging their work-out-of-the-garage image as well.  https://www.goabra.com/about.html


They are definitely doing what we are doing and it would be very wise of us to study what they are doing very closely and go over it with a fine-tooth comb. Nobody ever said there would be just one winner in this space - look at MasterCard and Visa, for example - but three might be a crowd - look at American Express. We should learn what we can from them and not be afraid to adopt ideas that convince us and work.

I never try to reinvent the wheel and always accept other people's good ideas (even when I wish I had, and sometimes wonder how I didn't, think of them myself).

It really is intresting what they do and i will follow this closely but it´s all about trusting the "buyer" & "seller" in my eyes.
In some countries you cannot even trust the exchanges over there.

Just a example,
Deposit & withdraw
A: real money,How can i be shure i dont get fake money from a unknown person.   Need to check every bill with a UV light or something.
(Also the other way around, If i want to deposit 200$ and do this by a teller. He needs to be shure i dont give him fake money.)
b:Not gonna rob me,He can get me to a place where everything is a setup and me as a tourist dont know anything about that place.
(Offcourse this is also the other way around..I can rob that guy because i know he haves some cash money.)

For me,, Money and a unknown person. Just so hard to trust.

Yeah, I don't know, but my first, very superficial, read brings me to a similar conclusion: it's something like eBay, using a reputation system, but what's to keep someone from building up a good reputation and then making off with a good stash one fine day?

Nevertheless, they are getting rave reviews, and that's usually not for nothing. I think we've got to look at this closely. There might be something there we can use.