[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[toknormal]

When you sell people Darkcoins and then suddenly rebrand them with no consensus or warning, that is the 'bait-and-switch' form of fraud.

Successful coins' devs don't violate their social contract with unilateral decisions.

Well that's not the way I see it at all. We're holders of an asset - not co-creators or managers in some kind of "pact" with the devs. It's their job to take "unilateral decisions". Hopefully those decisions take into account the interests of all concerned including the coin holders AND prospective adopters (which are strategically more important by the way).

This issue has been debated for months.

Rebrandings happen all over the place in commerce and usually in response to customer pressure - not shareholder pressure. Shareholders simply decide on an ongoing basis whether they want to continue holding their shares or not.

IMO - contrary to what your suggesting - this whole thing has actually been handled very carefully apart from maybe a bit of diplomatic oversight. As far as the name goes, it would have been ill advised to announce the intentions before some steps had been taken to secure it because otherwise some adversary could have just come along and sat on it.

Obviously you can't please everybody so people will have to make up their own minds - I certainly have made mine up and I think this whole move absolutely reflects the goals, stated principles and if you like "social contract" of the project to a letter.

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[toknormal]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-j-p-morgan-cds-pioneer-blythe-masters-to-head-bitcoin-trading-platform-1426048878

[BiteMyShinyMetalAss]

Let the adoption begin!

[Terzo2]

What now ?

[iCEBREAKER]

When you sell people Darkcoins and then suddenly rebrand them with no consensus or warning, that is the 'bait-and-switch' form of fraud.

Successful coins' devs don't violate their social contract with unilateral decisions.

You got the order wrong in your last sentence.  The order was decision, plan, announce, debate.  Not the way you have it.

Making it look like an inclusive process after the fact is especially obnoxious.  

Not like you own any Dash so why are you here?  Its like if my neighbour buys a red car, reads statistics and sees that red cars are stoped more frequently by cops and decides to pain it blue! And then I get soooo pissed on him for doing it!

You are not addressing my points about the importance of devs respecting their community.  You are just complaining that I had the temerity to make them.

If you sell a black car to someone who likes black cars, but then sneak into their garage one night and paint it pink ("because reasons"), that is NOT OK.

[toknormal]

You are not addressing my points about the importance of devs respecting their community.  You are just complaining that I had the temerity to make them.

If you sell a black car to someone who likes black cars, but then sneak into their garage one night and paint it pink ("because reasons"), that is NOT OK.

I am addressing your points.

Maybe you bought into a name - in which case I can understand your problem, what you bought is gone. But it isn't gone because the dev "made a unilateral decision on a whim". It's gone in response to BOTH community pressure AND customer pressure from prospective merchants. So that's why I don't agree with you that the dev "hasn't respected the community".

Unlike you, I didn't buy into a name. I bought into a concept, a uniquely powerful technology that deploys a dual layer approach to solving problems that all cryptocurrency suffers from and one of the most creative & industrial projects in all of crypto.

For me, I see the rebranding as positively preserving that investment and giving it a future - totally consistent with what I bought into.

As I say, it's a market. Markets are for reconciling subjective valuations of the same asset. So if you sell and I hold, the market will take account of both points of view  

[Macno]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-j-p-morgan-cds-pioneer-blythe-masters-to-head-bitcoin-trading-platform-1426048878

In german you say "vom Saulus zum Paulus"  - "from Saul to Paul"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul_the_Apostle

[coins101]

When you sell people Darkcoins and then suddenly rebrand them with no consensus or warning, that is the 'bait-and-switch' form of fraud.

Successful coins' devs don't violate their social contract with unilateral decisions.

You got the order wrong in your last sentence.  The order was decision, plan, announce, debate.  Not the way you have it.

Making it look like an inclusive process after the fact is especially obnoxious.  

Not like you own any Dash so why are you here?  Its like if my neighbour buys a red car, reads statistics and sees that red cars are stoped more frequently by cops and decides to pain it blue! And then I get soooo pissed on him for doing it!

You are not addressing my points about the importance of devs respecting their community.  You are just complaining that I had the temerity to make them.

If you sell a black car to someone who likes black cars, but then sneak into their garage one night and paint it pink ("because reasons"), that is NOT OK.

But this:

after careful consideration, reading all the posts from everyone for the last few days and weighing every argument, I believe it is best if we make it official that we’re going with DASH. At this point our priority is to have closure so we can move on

IOW, this project is solely the property of its owner and *not* the community. DarkDashCoin is Evan's plaything, to modify as his whims dictate.

Bellyaching cult members need to stop complaining, shut up, grab their pom-poms, and cheer louder.  All Hail DuffCoin!

DuffCoin

Unproven Crypto.  Undemocratic.  Premined.  Trusted 2nd Tier.  Proof of Stake.  Completely Shitty.

.....say's:

I'm a fucking troll who supports Monero, so I'm coming here to spread a load of fucking vile shit to piss everyone off and get them to support Monero.

It also says:

Some Monero supporters evidently feel the need to use underhand tactics to support their project.

As a Monero bag holder since the early days when they were dumped on Polo, I work on the basis that the project should stand on its own two feet and not rely on guerilla warfare tactics to try and get ahead.  

Your approach smells of someone that would step over their dead relatives body to take a look at their will to see if you're in it before you grieve.

[toknormal]

In german you say "vom Saulus zum Paulus"  - "from Saul to Paul"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul_the_Apostle

LoL !

Yeah - good analogy. Quite amazing how the creator of the world most prolific fiat derivative ended up in crypto. That's a long "road to damascus".

[toknormal]

nice

I forgot to add the Morgan Spurlock clip to that graphic - here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=f6FU-VTMt3Y#t=709

[balu]

You are not addressing my points about the importance of devs respecting their community.  You are just complaining that I had the temerity to make them.

If you sell a black car to someone who likes black cars, but then sneak into their garage one night and paint it pink ("because reasons"), that is NOT OK.

I understand your point. The lucky thing is that there's a ~90% chance the buyer can sell his coins in the green, as current price is higher than it's been since the coin was created (it was higher only for 2 months back in may-june 2014). So if someone is willing to part from his coins because of the branding change, he can do so now.

We all know it's a tough subject, and there any many drawbacks. Only time will tell if it was the correct move.

[dazbarlby]

[Kienbui]

Why these 3 words perfectly articulate "DASH"'s USP over fiat from merchant's perspectives......



P.S. Here's the Morgan Spurlock clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=f6FU-VTMt3Y#t=709

Very nice!! I like it.

[iCEBREAKER]

As a Monero bag holder since the early days when they were dumped on Polo

Polo wasn't "the early days" of Monero.  The OTC thread and cryptonote.exchange.to were the early days.  Polo marked the end of the early days.  I know because I was there, unlike you.  So STFU STOOPID NOOB.

No wonder you are so hysterically offended when I criticize Duffcoin's failings.  You NOOBS do love you some Duffcoin, for some silly reason.  

Duffman tricked lots of NOOBS into funding his DASH project by selling them Darkcoins, and then switching horses in the middle of the race.

That's why vertoe left:

Darkcoin r.i.p. long live dash.
I'm out, so long, and thanks for all the fish.

Is vertoe a "fucking troll" now too?  

[coins101]

That's pretty cool.

Can you make a version where DASH has the D as a reverse C?

[coins101]

[alex-ru]

Cool abracadabra ! +1

Is it possible to animate first vertical line  C <-> D?

[coins101]

pretty sweet

[Honest Tim]

[iCEBREAKER]

You can't ignore me if I'm the subject of your posts.  Quite the opposite in fact.  

But there is no 'Fixate' button for to press, so you use the only available option.