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[coins101]

How come Monero was launched 4 months after DRK, it has 4m fewer max coin supply, yet it currently has 6.9m coins in circulation vs. DRK's 5.2m?

[JGCMiner]

Ignore button still works great.

Thanks for the assist. I was just about to respond to another person who can't seem to figure out that Evan wasn't the only person mining at launch... but then I just hit the ignore button.  

[oaxaca]

If its wrong ...

Smooth isn't the best source of accurate information.

smooth: "If A+B=C and D+E=F, then A must equal E."

How about this for an accurate statement:

"Evan hold some DRK, therefore he has a vested interest in making those coins more valuable."

[coins101]

$5.22

 

I'm seeing 5.26

I'm seeing one more Trollero here...

As long as he is not a Monero dev trolling, he can go on ignore and post to his hearts content.

with edit <trolling>

[jiggytom]

Feels great to finally be in the green with Dash.  Been through some tough times after buying in July.  Bought some more later on, stuck through it.  Setup 2 MNs, was diligent and thorough with updates, reindexing, helping out on testnet, etc.  And now after all this time, I couldn't be happier just to be even in fiat.  But guess what, I'm holding my nodes and my coins for the long haul. $10? 20$?  hmm maybe even $50. Maybe even pick up a 3rd MN..why not...it's a no brainer.

It's a good last couple days to be a supporter of this coin..whether you are a bag holder, a small investor, a developer, or any team contributor....we are DASH strong.  Happy Rebranding Day (3/25/15)!

[coins101]

How come Monero was launched 4 months after DRK, it has 4m fewer max coin supply, yet it currently has 6.9m coins in circulation vs. DRK's 5.2m?

bump, no response in what, 2 mins?

Come on, this is the InstantX thread.

[Minotaur26]

Anyone has an idea of how to get Volume data for DRK for the last 10 to 15 days, a way to get daily volumes for a period of time would be great. Need it for official DASH business. If any of our traders can help I would really appreciate it.

[BrainShutdown]

How come Monero was launched 4 months after DRK, it has 4m fewer max coin supply, yet it currently has 6.9m coins in circulation vs. DRK's 5.2m?

bump, no response in what, 2 mins?

Come on, this is the InstantX thread.

Sorry but all the trolleros have you on ignore...

[RenegadeMan]

You would be very welcome in our xmr vs drk discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642

It's fair and open and moderator is only deleting obvious troll posts.

Lol. Another one? Sorry but I'll pass on that xmr PR thread.
If you want to know about drk ask around on darkcointalk or check the github repository.

Someone in the XMR thread created it because I suggested so and Anon136 liked the idea. According to the XMR thread, the announcement was posted in here but got deleted by the BCT Mods, but the same announcement was not deleted in the XMR thread, so I guess that`s why there are currently more XMR user writing there.
The poor mod already has a lot of work to do there, as people simply can`t discuss this calmly, but Anon136 is fair and balanced imho. And he has Hans-Hermann Hoppe as profile picture, so he has to be a cool guy  

Fair and balanced my ass. He just claimed evan owns 40% of the coin supply from a premine. Dude is off his rocker.

So i want to put forward the idea that the price of dark is rising not in-spite of the premine, but precisely because of it. Think of the economic incentives at work for a dev who owns 40% of the currency supply. Think of how much he stands to benefit from improving his product. Or marketing his product well. Think of the funds that he has to spend on that marketing if it begins to create a positive feedback loop.

I was basing my comment on this comment.

<5% of supply was mined in the first day

Amount instamined: about 2 million (1.5 million within 8 hours)
Current supply: 5,225,476

38.27%

If its wrong than w/e so long as there was infact a sufficient premine than the argument stands. Its the principle that matters not the particulars.

We're all just COMPLETELY OVER dealing with Monero people. Smooth, iCEBREAKER and others are in here arguing back and forth endlessly and laboriously. iCEBREAKER just posts never ending FUD, aggressive threats of terrible legal outcomes and continual lies and smear against Evan Duffield and other key people involved with DASH. Frankly, most of us are about as interested in engaging with these Monero buffoons as we are in pulling our own fingernails out (although the fingernail option is looking more attractive as we go on).

If all these Monero shills think their development is better, great. Let them work on what they've built and demonstrate by delivering substance and sound technology. The market will then start to back them. At the moment though, from what I've seen of the amount of time smooth spends here and the appalling posts I've seen 'fluffyponzi' (I mean really...who could honestly take someone with a nym like that seriously?) make on Reddit, Monero is nothing but a joke and I wouldn't invest a single satoshi in it.

After all that's happened here Monero = complete and utter rubbish; so I certainly won't be even bothering to look at your thread.

[iqlimasyadiqa]

i should back to 1 week ago . n hold my DRK argg .
i need time machine

[coins101]

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If all these Monero shills think their development is better, great. Let them work on what they've built and demonstrate by delivering substance and sound technology. The market will then start to back them. At the moment though, from what I've seen of the amount of time smooth spends here and the appalling posts I've seen 'fluffyponzi' (I mean really...who could honestly take someone with a nym like that seriously?) make on Reddit, Monero is nothing but a joke and I wouldn't invest a single satoshi in it.

After all that's happened here Monero = complete and utter rubbish; so I certainly won't be even bothering to look at your thread.

Its easier to troll than to fix the broken piggy bank

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That said, it's simply not acceptable for us (to echo your words) to put lipstick on a pig and ship a GUI that is pleasant enough, but takes 4 days to sync from scratch, requires 6+gb of RAM, sucks a ton of bandwidth, and is accepted nearly nowhere.

We will deliver a proverbial work of art, but it requires building out parts of the foundation that we had previously viewed as less of a priority (until the 202612 attack). Oh, and we're doing it on like no money, so there's that.

[Kai Proctor]

How come Monero was launched 4 months after DRK, it has 4m fewer max coin supply, yet it currently has 6.9m coins in circulation vs. DRK's 5.2m?

bump, no response in what, 2 mins?

Come on, this is the InstantX thread.

From their thread :

Block reward = (M - A) * 2-20 * 10-12, where A = current circulation. Roughly 86% mined in 4 years.

(A four years instamine to use their favorite word  )

[oaxaca]

OK so the whitepaper is simple enough. Levering up the existing masternode infrastructure to get 0 confirmation transactions that are more secure than a 0 confirmation bitcoin transaction but less secure than a 1 confirmation bitcoin transaction. You have instant transactions in the same way that merchants can accept 0 confirmation bitcoin transactions so long as they have a direct connection to a few reliable nodes spread out over the planet that are sniffing for doublespends.

That's fair enough. I wouldn't go so far as to say you have created instant transactions, but i wouldn't either say that what you have created here is useless, it is definitely a useful idea. You can instantly buy a soda or maybe a t-shirt, but you definitely can not instantly buy a car with this scheme.

As I understand it, you certainly CAN buy a car using instantx.  The inputs will be locked by the masternodes and other transactions using them will be rejected by them.  The car purchase will be the only one in the next block.

[Anon136]

You would be very welcome in our xmr vs drk discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642

It's fair and open and moderator is only deleting obvious troll posts.

Lol. Another one? Sorry but I'll pass on that xmr PR thread.
If you want to know about drk ask around on darkcointalk or check the github repository.

Someone in the XMR thread created it because I suggested so and Anon136 liked the idea. According to the XMR thread, the announcement was posted in here but got deleted by the BCT Mods, but the same announcement was not deleted in the XMR thread, so I guess that`s why there are currently more XMR user writing there.
The poor mod already has a lot of work to do there, as people simply can`t discuss this calmly, but Anon136 is fair and balanced imho. And he has Hans-Hermann Hoppe as profile picture, so he has to be a cool guy  

Fair and balanced my ass. He just claimed evan owns 40% of the coin supply from a premine. Dude is off his rocker.

So i want to put forward the idea that the price of dark is rising not in-spite of the premine, but precisely because of it. Think of the economic incentives at work for a dev who owns 40% of the currency supply. Think of how much he stands to benefit from improving his product. Or marketing his product well. Think of the funds that he has to spend on that marketing if it begins to create a positive feedback loop.

I was basing my comment on this comment.

<5% of supply was mined in the first day

Amount instamined: about 2 million (1.5 million within 8 hours)
Current supply: 5,225,476

38.27%

If its wrong than w/e so long as there was infact a sufficient premine than the argument stands. Its the principle that matters not the particulars.

We're all just COMPLETELY OVER dealing with Monero people. Smooth, iCEBREAKER and others are in here arguing back and forth endlessly and laboriously. iCEBREAKER just posts never ending FUD, aggressive threats of terrible legal outcomes and continual lies and smear against Evan Duffield and other key people involved with DASH. Frankly, most of us are about as interested in engaging with these Monero buffoons as we are in pulling our own fingernails out (although the fingernail option is looking more attractive as we go on).

If all these Monero shills think their development is better, great. Let them work on what they've built and demonstrate by delivering substance and sound technology. The market will then start to back them. At the moment though, from what I've seen of the amount of time smooth spends here and the appalling posts I've seen 'fluffyponzi' (I mean really...who could honestly take someone with a nym like that seriously?) make on Reddit, Monero is nothing but a joke and I wouldn't invest a single satoshi in it.

After all that's happened here Monero = complete and utter rubbish; so I certainly won't be even bothering to look at your thread.

Yea all the people posting about monero in your thread is half the reason for creating this one, the other half is all the people posting about dark coin in ours. We just thought it would be nice to have a better place to put all of exactly the sorts of comments you are exasperated with. And the same for us.

Anyway i personally dont want to be part of any more monero vs dark coin sorts of arguments in this thread, so if i get drawn into that im going to try to just ignore it. I am interested in talking about dark coin though, potentially critically because that sort of thing is important, but not in the context of any sort of us vs them arguments.

[BrainShutdown]

Anyone has an idea of how to get Volume data for DRK for the last 10 to 15 days, a way to get daily volumes for a period of time would be great. Need it for official DASH business. If any of our traders can help I would really appreciate it.

Go to bitcoinwisdom.com and with 1d timeframe you can take the data for each exchange.

ie cryptsy
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/drkbtc

[strix]

If there is someone here who can defend dark on this particular point:

Can we talk about this instant transaction thing. How does it supposedly work? In the world of crypto there are only 2 ways of doing transactions instantly. A trust based system or centralization. Has dark somehow over turned the metaphorical laws of gravity in the world of crypto or do they use one of those two. If they use one of those two what is the justification?

The masternodes lock the tx, even if a conflicting valid transaction gets mined they reject the block its in.

This opens a nice sort of attack where you can split the network (i.e. isolating MNs from each other)

You would be very welcome in our xmr vs drk discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642

It's fair and open and moderator is only deleting obvious troll posts.

Lol. Another one? Sorry but I'll pass on that xmr PR thread.
If you want to know about drk ask around on darkcointalk or check the github repository.

Its only an xmr pr thread because no one has come forward to competently defend your position. The moment someone does this, assuming your position has merit, than it could very easily be transformed into a dark pr thread. The point is to have open troll free discussion from both sides, im here as an emissary because we are distinctly lacking in the dark representative department. But there certainly is no lock, no means of filtering dark representatives out, its yours for the taking if you can take it.

Dear Anon136,

It is with true regret that I find myself declining your gracious sounding invitation. My post history will indicate that I greatly appreciate intelligent, reasoned and cordial debate as a means of arriving at understanding ones opponents, even if agreement is impossible. Your tone, verbiage, promise of impartial elimination of trolling, as well as your icon honoring Hans-Hermann Hoppe, gave me hope of participating in a venue which might generate more light than heat. Sadly I found your first post inflammatory, imbecilic, crude, and generally lacking in any of the finer points of rhetoric, philosophic or scientific quest for understanding, or even common decency. I will not offend the readership of this forum with so much as a quote, and strongly suggest that they find better ways to waste their time than visiting your thread.

Given your smooth words of invitation, and your evocation of the honorable HH Hoppe, I can only conclude that you are far worse than a simple troll, you are the type of vile corruption that clothes itself in holy garb so as to destroy the lives of innocent children for their own carnal pleasure thus robbing them of the hope of sexual pleasure and joyful faith.

There are few who wish me harm that I will not respectfully and hopefully call friend--you are one of them (though I still hope you might change)...

IGNORED!

[Lebubar]

i should back to 1 week ago . n hold my DRK argg .
i need time machine

I will told you a story and after you'll feel better :

Once upon a time, someone dump 17K drk @0.006 and buy some paycoin....

[cryptocrap]

WTF. WHO IS PUMPING IT ? SATOSHI NAKAMOTO ? 

DRK ALL TIME HIGH !!! 

[coins101]

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Given your smooth words of invitation, and your evocation of the honorable HH Hoppe, I can only conclude that you are far worse than a simple troll, you are the type of vile corruption that clothes itself in holy garb so as to destroy the lives of innocent children for their own carnal pleasure thus robbing them of the hope sexual pleasure and joyful faith.

There are few who wish me harm that I will not respectfully and hopefully call friend--you are one of them (though I still hope you might change)...

IGNORED!

I was nearly caught out too.

We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill. We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill.

As you found out, I put him on ignore about 4-5 posts in to the little spiders web he was laying out.

[Anon136]

If there is someone here who can defend dark on this particular point:

Can we talk about this instant transaction thing. How does it supposedly work? In the world of crypto there are only 2 ways of doing transactions instantly. A trust based system or centralization. Has dark somehow over turned the metaphorical laws of gravity in the world of crypto or do they use one of those two. If they use one of those two what is the justification?

The masternodes lock the tx, even if a conflicting valid transaction gets mined they reject the block its in.

This opens a nice sort of attack where you can split the network (i.e. isolating MNs from each other)

You would be very welcome in our xmr vs drk discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642

It's fair and open and moderator is only deleting obvious troll posts.

Lol. Another one? Sorry but I'll pass on that xmr PR thread.
If you want to know about drk ask around on darkcointalk or check the github repository.

Its only an xmr pr thread because no one has come forward to competently defend your position. The moment someone does this, assuming your position has merit, than it could very easily be transformed into a dark pr thread. The point is to have open troll free discussion from both sides, im here as an emissary because we are distinctly lacking in the dark representative department. But there certainly is no lock, no means of filtering dark representatives out, its yours for the taking if you can take it.

Dear Anon136,

It is with true regret that I find myself declining your gracious sounding invitation. My post history will indicate that I greatly appreciate intelligent, reasoned and cordial debate as a means of arriving at understanding ones opponents, even if agreement is impossible. Your tone, verbiage, promise of impartial elimination of trolling, as well as your icon honoring Hans-Hermann Hoppe, gave me hope of participating in a venue which might generate more light than heat. Sadly I found your first post inflammatory, imbecilic, crude, and generally lacking in any of the finer points of rhetoric, philosophic or scientific quest for understanding, or even common decency. I will not offend the readership of this forum with so much as a quote, and strongly suggest that they find better ways to waste their time than visiting your thread.

Given your smooth words of invitation, and your evocation of the honorable HH Hoppe, I can only conclude that you are far worse than a simple troll, you are the type of vile corruption that clothes itself in holy garb so as to destroy the lives of innocent children for their own carnal pleasure thus robbing them of the hope sexual pleasure and joyful faith.

There are few who wish me harm that I will not respectfully and hopefully call friend--you are one of them (though I still hope you might change)...

IGNORED!

Well im not the moderator of the thread and I didn't create it. If the person who created it does end up acting like a tyrant than I wouldn't blame anyone for not being a part of it. I just thought it would be a better place for xmr vs drk debate than in this thread and our thread. After pointing out that an alternative place to have this debate had been created i was accused of directing you guys towards a pr stunt or something like that. Which if it was true, was only true because so few people from your community were bothering to stop by. Which is what i was attempting to correct to begin with.

I'm sorry if you found my comment aesthetically distasteful. It was not intended to be aesthetically palatable, it was intended to be correct and insightful. Maybe it wasn't correct or insightful, but since your comment never even calls that into question it doesn't do much to argue against its intention.

I hope you will find it in your heart to unignore me (if you read this) because I legitimately am not trolling this thread. I may be rough around the edges sometimes, but being rough around the edges is not trolling.