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Author Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency  (Read 9722683 times)
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March 03, 2014, 03:22:12 AM
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As much as I like this and want it to succeed, the amount of protection darksend gives you is currently rather pathetic. Take a look at this ( http://explorer.darkcoin.io/tx/b9d3850d62e0a6c460e220713710fda602d5daea4771af1bbb397b35e3b6eb5f ), or any other darksend transaction, and you'll see it's very easy to pick apart. The first input clearly goes to the first two outputs, as they're the only ones less than the input, and the second output can be seen to be the change address, as it has too high precision for darksend. The second input goes to the fourth and sixth outputs, as they add up to the input - 0.01, and no other combination adds up to an appropriate amount, and yet again, which address is the change address can be seen by the precision. This leaves the third input to the third and fifth outputs, which add up to 0.1 less than their input.

Eduffield's idea of pooling only same amounts is excellent and would fix this, but in the current state this just isn't effective at all.
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March 03, 2014, 03:30:38 AM
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I've made a short intro video for DarkCoin. Check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULVDSfeYnvg&feature=youtu.be


Since the logo has been selected by community and dev, I'll be using the one selected.

https://i.imgur.com/fKNbynp.png


I updated the 1st flayer with the official coin and some minor modifications.

https://i.imgur.com/oyTLVwE.jpg


For those complaining about overall bleak and suspicious nature of DarkCoin, I made another proposal for logo design.

https://i.imgur.com/ZtJiosc.png


Inspirational donations are welcome of course, to keep the creativity going.
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March 03, 2014, 03:30:59 AM
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As much as I like this and want it to succeed, the amount of protection darksend gives you is currently rather pathetic. Take a look at this ( http://explorer.darkcoin.io/tx/b9d3850d62e0a6c460e220713710fda602d5daea4771af1bbb397b35e3b6eb5f ), or any other darksend transaction, and you'll see it's very easy to pick apart. The first input clearly goes to the first two outputs, as they're the only ones less than the input, and the second output can be seen to be the change address, as it has too high precision for darksend. The second input goes to the fourth and sixth outputs, as they add up to the input - 0.01, and no other combination adds up to an appropriate amount, and yet again, which address is the change address can be seen by the precision. This leaves the third input to the third and fifth outputs, which add up to 0.1 less than their input.

Eduffield's idea of pooling only same amounts is excellent and would fix this, but in the current state this just isn't effective at all.

It's actually not as pathetic as you think it is.  It's only the foundation (with structure installed for the other aspects, that are not turned on yet).  We're just trying to stress test the foundation of what is to become a full darksend implementation.  People are getting a bit too vocal in their excitement and though it is indeed a huge step forward, it's far from complete.

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March 03, 2014, 03:33:43 AM
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For those complaining about overall bleak and suspicious nature of DarkCoin, I made another proposal for logo design.




Inspirational donations are welcome of course, to keep the creativity going.

 Grin Cheesy reminds me of a Beatle's LSD trip, but hey, that's nostalgic

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March 03, 2014, 03:38:17 AM
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For those complaining about overall bleak and suspicious nature of DarkCoin, I made another proposal for logo design.




Inspirational donations are welcome of course, to keep the creativity going.

 Grin Cheesy reminds me of a Beatle's LSD trip, but hey, that's nostalgic

Yep. Getting flashbacks looking at it. (;-)

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March 03, 2014, 03:40:54 AM
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As much as I like this and want it to succeed, the amount of protection darksend gives you is currently rather pathetic. Take a look at this ( http://explorer.darkcoin.io/tx/b9d3850d62e0a6c460e220713710fda602d5daea4771af1bbb397b35e3b6eb5f ), or any other darksend transaction, and you'll see it's very easy to pick apart. The first input clearly goes to the first two outputs, as they're the only ones less than the input, and the second output can be seen to be the change address, as it has too high precision for darksend. The second input goes to the fourth and sixth outputs, as they add up to the input - 0.01, and no other combination adds up to an appropriate amount, and yet again, which address is the change address can be seen by the precision. This leaves the third input to the third and fifth outputs, which add up to 0.1 less than their input.

Eduffield's idea of pooling only same amounts is excellent and would fix this, but in the current state this just isn't effective at all.

It's actually not as pathetic as you think it is.  It's only the foundation (with structure installed for the other aspects, that are not turned on yet).  We're just trying to stress test the foundation of what is to become a full darksend implementation.  People are getting a bit too vocal in their excitement and though it is indeed a huge step forward, it's far from complete.
I hope my suggestion about converting all payments into combinations of common amounts will be used. Then it becomes much harder to establish connections. Also maybe limit it to sending round numbers without fractions. Not sure if adding some random delay would also help, it would slow down the transaction. Another idea is to have the smaller amounts aggregated into the next larger denomination and forwarded onto the next block. By the time the large denominations is mixed, it will be composed of many smaller transactions from a variable amount of time in the past.

Keep in mind when there are a small number of people participating, it is trivial to solve the puzzle of who sent what to whom. Now imagine thousands of transactions being split into more transactions being partially combined and forwarded onward.

Of course, nothing will work against big agencies (they can probably directly tap into your computer anyway) but to keep random people from using blockchain to figure things out, this is definitely achievable using this type of method

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March 03, 2014, 04:04:06 AM
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I've made a short intro video for DarkCoin. Check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULVDSfeYnvg&feature=youtu.be


Cool video.

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March 03, 2014, 04:10:23 AM
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how long will it take to hit $10?

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March 03, 2014, 04:16:03 AM
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how long will it take to hit $10?
buy 10 coins off of me for $100 right now and it can happen today!

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March 03, 2014, 04:16:59 AM
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how long will it take to hit $10?

Since this coins value is very closely tied to the functionality working, after a few iterations of the beta we should be getting quite close to something usable by 99% of people. Then it can really rise. There's not much in terms of artifical hype yet.

I'd like to thank eduffield and the other developers for this critically important evolution in virtual currency. DarkCoin is what bitcoin should have been. Some might call it "Bitcoin 2.0" but would do better by saying: "DarkCoin is digital cash." - Child Harold - February 28, 2014
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March 03, 2014, 04:17:05 AM
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Can I assume if the miner runs I must have the better instruction set

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March 03, 2014, 04:18:25 AM
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Don't spam boards, media, trollboxes. Attention will come naturally as a byproduct of what's going on in here. As they say "build it and they will come". Hype and spamming are for shitcoins, creating the opposite effect on those who are in the receiving end of the hype/spam.


honestly, the biggest thing that will get people interested is if they overhear others talking about it and they feel like they are missing out.

Having someone come TO you with nothing but positive things to say about it just sounds like an advertisment, and with all the ad's in the world today, people have become VERY good at tuning them out.

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March 03, 2014, 04:25:01 AM
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Don't spam boards, media, trollboxes. Attention will come naturally as a byproduct of what's going on in here. As they say "build it and they will come". Hype and spamming are for shitcoins, creating the opposite effect on those who are in the receiving end of the hype/spam.


honestly, the biggest thing that will get people interested is if they overhear others talking about it and they feel like they are missing out.

Having someone come TO you with nothing but positive things to say about it just sounds like an advertisement, and with all the ad's in the world today, people have become VERY good at tuning them out.

Exactly

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Stupid and meaningless request here but I HATE the bog-standard tray icon in Windows.  

Plz either change to the dark icon or throw the unicorn in there.

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This is awesome!

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Anyone care to bounce some DRK back and forth with DS on? Just a small bit

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March 03, 2014, 04:38:51 AM
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how long will it take to hit $10?

After your rent is due. Might want to cash out now.
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March 03, 2014, 04:39:26 AM
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I've made a short intro video for DarkCoin. Check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULVDSfeYnvg&feature=youtu.be


Since the logo has been selected by community and dev, I'll be using the one selected.




I updated the 1st flayer with the official coin and some minor modifications.




For those complaining about overall bleak and suspicious nature of DarkCoin, I made another proposal for logo design.




Inspirational donations are welcome of course, to keep the creativity going.


Speachless, Great Work
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March 03, 2014, 05:10:06 AM
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Aw, you thought of me...

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March 03, 2014, 05:10:38 AM
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Anyone care to bounce some DRK back and forth with DS on? Just a small bit
Sure, pm me your address.

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