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[chaeplin]

block generated 245 ea

from 32485 to 32729 (~12 hours)

NEWBL 03-13 07:44:39 32485 141.273 Xemt2zeYELCkddJHvsW4x9ytqTEnkiviaH
NEWBL 03-13 17:17:33 32729 266.720 XccPicDbg7HhRfFwPU3Z2CFVpHSYAhuxtu

1 XnBwaSjgNbpJMjatTiFJfxrigPBKpFmrzq
1 XvmAhGsqwnZqdsWxMqMFQtFeTiVhwntHPF
3 cpupool
5 XeCyp1qAMFTb6PMZu431QpZ6sEpTH64Gag
7 official
12 lotterymining
12 p2pool
29 mininghub
65 suchpool
110 coinmine

total network rate (7.55GH/s), coinmine 4.3GH/s.

When this hppened, why is there no atomatic mecanism to deal with?
Why did the pool that is over 45% did not rise its fee at 1% rate each week until it gets back to 45%?
The pool will earn profit and the hash distribution will be automatic. I think this issue is not trivial.

284 /home/user/blocks/blocks

NEWBL 03-13 07:44:39 32485 141.273 Xemt2zeYELCkddJHvsW4x9ytqTEnkiviaH
NEWBL 03-13 18:50:06 32768 271.108 XccPicDbg7HhRfFwPU3Z2CFVpHSYAhuxtu

1 XnBwaSjgNbpJMjatTiFJfxrigPBKpFmrzq
1 XvmAhGsqwnZqdsWxMqMFQtFeTiVhwntHPF
3 cpupool
5 XeCyp1qAMFTb6PMZu431QpZ6sEpTH64Gag
7 official
13 p2pool
14 lotterymining
35 mininghub
79 suchpool
126 coinmine

coinmine got over 50% of net hash rate, but not over 50% of coin generated.

1GH guy is on coinmine ? (maybe)

[AlexGR]

I get that, Pool owners want monney and so did not want to refuse some Power.
Users want better service and don't care. Even if you close the registration, the hash will not get away, it will remain the same for a while.

If you raise the fee when you go over 45% (for example), user will start to go away, and the pool owner will get more fees, it seems like a win-win solution.

If all the pools agree to do the same, public oppinion will not be hurted as soon as the fees will get back to normal when the Hash get out of the critical range.

Another method I've seen employed is to ddos the pool with 50% hashrate. Not a nice way of taking care of the problem . . but incredibly effective.

I can understand that most pools that hit 45% and greater aren't looking to cause problems . . but it really makes the coin look weak.

Coinmine is doing a very decent job as a pool and he's simply picking up the people that leave other pools because he's doing a better job. Should he be DDOSed for that? I think he was relatively cooperative, yet when the official pool went down for changes, the hashrate of coinmine exploded again (which is natural as he picked up a few extra gigahashes). Then the official pool didn't recover the hashrate after the server transfer and also had the orphan problem etc etc. So, naturally, people will opt for what works.

A simple email or pm to an understanding pool owner will do the trick in most cases. I think, from what I've read in his public responses, that he understands the issue, but then again what can he do with the network spikes when a large pool goes down and people use him as a failover? Even if he aims for a 30% market, he can still find himself at >50% on a day where 2 other pools are DDOSed, or are down for whatever reason. We simply need more pools that have a decent hashrate to avoid variance penalties and are operated in a smooth way so that people can diversify their hashrate. P2Pools are good as a concept but I'm getting too many issues, rejects etc. The situation is getting better for sure, relative to one month ago, as there are now much more options to choose from. And it'll probably get better with time.

[boubou]

Yes, He is fair and has a nice pool, that's why there may be other mean to deal with, like increasing fees temporary.

[bitcoyim]

i know what is going on in the pools. If pool owners contact me , i can explain fake hash vulnerability. All stratum pools need to fix this problem.

[feeleep]

Guys,

I am here and try to fix the situation by closing new registrations but it just doesnt help a lot. As mentioned above - my pool seems to be just stable and thats why people are mining here - I will not close mining just because I have 50% of network.

Anyway I am working with lottermining pool op to fix the problem with incorrect shares and all users on my pools seems to be valid ones atm.

feeleep

[TheGer]

We need DRK Poker....  Please....

[sippsnapp]

block generated 245 ea

from 32485 to 32729 (~12 hours)

NEWBL 03-13 07:44:39 32485 141.273 Xemt2zeYELCkddJHvsW4x9ytqTEnkiviaH
NEWBL 03-13 17:17:33 32729 266.720 XccPicDbg7HhRfFwPU3Z2CFVpHSYAhuxtu

1 XnBwaSjgNbpJMjatTiFJfxrigPBKpFmrzq
1 XvmAhGsqwnZqdsWxMqMFQtFeTiVhwntHPF
3 cpupool
5 XeCyp1qAMFTb6PMZu431QpZ6sEpTH64Gag
7 official
12 lotterymining
12 p2pool
29 mininghub
65 suchpool
110 coinmine

total network rate (7.55GH/s), coinmine 4.3GH/s.

it looks like the scammer is on coinmine, i cant tell for sure, since he is anonymous, but if i was pool owner, i would check to see if his highest (1GH) is finding any blocks thats how you will know for sure

Want to avoid 51% Pool ? Go P2Pool !!!!


Join us to MightyPool.net P2Pool Node

Here are the benefits of P2Pool :
You don't need to create an account
You get paid directly after a block is found
You get no transaction fees
The Hasrate is distrubted among all P2Pool nodes

Server hardware configuration :
Xeon E3-1225 v2 @3.2GHz
16 Gb RAM
100 Mbps Internet Broadband

How to join the Node ?
run SPH-SGMINER with those informations :
sgminer -k darkcoin -o stratum+tcp://mightypool.net:7903 -u YourDarkcoinWalletAddress -p x

but you cannot take a situation and use it for your own benefit, as ive told the other p2p pool owners, they might not be affected, but i cannot tell for sure, since i do not have the time to go over the software thoroughly. keep an eye out for big miners, that do not find any blocks..

besides, lotterymining does not charge transaction fees..

Lotterymining server hardware:
Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1245 V2 @ 3.40GHz
2x 120GB SSD Striped RAID mode
32 GB ram
1gbps internet connection on tier 1
ddos protection

My p2p node is running almost idle, lot resources left, ALL miners welcome! ---- See my sig.

[AlexGR]

Guys,

I am here and try to fix the situation by closing new registrations but it just doesnt help a lot. As mentioned above - my pool seems to be just stable and thats why people are mining here - I will not close mining just because I have 50% of network.

Anyway I am working with lottermining pool op to fix the problem with incorrect shares and all users on my pools seems to be valid ones atm.

feeleep

I don't think people are asking you to close shop, just take some measures to reduce the percentage from 50 down to 30 or 40, like an increased fee as an incentive for some people to switch. It's not like you'll be losing money from that (increase from 1% to 2% = double money, 3% = triple money etc etc). When it's ok again, you reduce the fee.

50% is unfortunately a danger for the network, even if you have the best of intentions. I mean someone can hack your pool and then, through the 50%, do some "weird" things. This should be prevented as a possibility.

[goin2mars]

I get that, Pool owners want monney and so did not want to refuse some Power.
Users want better service and don't care. Even if you close the registration, the hash will not get away, it will remain the same for a while.

If you raise the fee when you go over 45% (for example), user will start to go away, and the pool owner will get more fees, it seems like a win-win solution.

If all the pools agree to do the same, public oppinion will not be hurted as soon as the fees will get back to normal when the Hash get out of the critical range.

Another method I've seen employed is to ddos the pool with 50% hashrate. Not a nice way of taking care of the problem . . but incredibly effective.

I can understand that most pools that hit 45% and greater aren't looking to cause problems . . but it really makes the coin look weak.

Coinmine is doing a very decent job as a pool and he's simply picking up the people that leave other pools because he's doing a better job. Should he be DDOSed for that? I think he was relatively cooperative, yet when the official pool went down for changes, the hashrate of coinmine exploded again (which is natural as he picked up a few extra gigahashes). Then the official pool didn't recover the hashrate after the server transfer and also had the orphan problem etc etc. So, naturally, people will opt for what works.

A simple email or pm to an understanding pool owner will do the trick in most cases. I think, from what I've read in his public responses, that he understands the issue, but then again what can he do with the network spikes when a large pool goes down and people use him as a failover? Even if he aims for a 30% market, he can still find himself at >50% on a day where 2 other pools are DDOSed, or are down for whatever reason. We simply need more pools that have a decent hashrate to avoid variance penalties and are operated in a smooth way so that people can diversify their hashrate. P2Pools are good as a concept but I'm getting too many issues, rejects etc. The situation is getting better for sure, relative to one month ago, as there are now much more options to choose from. And it'll probably get better with time.

That's cool, but I don't need to crucified for participating in a discussion about alternative ways to control a network . . apart from relying on hopes that everyone is an honest person and just sending them friendly messages will save everything.

I wasn't saying that it should happen . . only that it's effective. There's been multiple times I've seen it used where the pool owner made no effort to circumvent the situation . . and everyone was better off for it.

I'm not trying to say it's even the pool owner's fault for having the largest pool . . because here again I've seen coins where one of the worst to mediocre pools had 50% of the network.

Bottom line: If your pool goes over 50%, you are a threat to the coin.

[traumschiff]

Guys,

I am here and try to fix the situation by closing new registrations but it just doesnt help a lot. As mentioned above - my pool seems to be just stable and thats why people are mining here - I will not close mining just because I have 50% of network.

Anyway I am working with lottermining pool op to fix the problem with incorrect shares and all users on my pools seems to be valid ones atm.

feeleep

+1, its highly stable, why would miners leave. Also its a good business for you with all the fees. Why do ppl think doublespending once is worth it on a good coin with bright future.

[chaeplin]

I have tested modified stratum-mining with MPOS.

Here is the result with 170Mh/s




http://explorer.darkcoin.io/address/Xs3sJKMFvyowcrmUiDbCUVYCq7RLwYNVYy

(site is down now, it's just test)

remeber this ?

13 blocks / 1 day / 170Mhz


Here is the diff : https://github.com/chaeplin/stratum-mining-darkcoin/tree/master

[illodin]

Guys,

I am here and try to fix the situation by closing new registrations but it just doesnt help a lot. As mentioned above - my pool seems to be just stable and thats why people are mining here - I will not close mining just because I have 50% of network.

Anyway I am working with lottermining pool op to fix the problem with incorrect shares and all users on my pools seems to be valid ones atm.

feeleep

+1, its highly stable, why would miners leave. Also its a good business for you with all the fees. Why do ppl think doublespending once is worth it on a good coin with bright future.

Having a pool with 50% is like printing money - I agree it wouldn't make sense to do anything to risk that position. But as someone already said, someone could hack the pool, and investors looking outside will get wary of investing if they see it being so strongly centralized.

[tifozi]

i know what is going on in the pools. If pool owners contact me , i can explain fake hash vulnerability. All stratum pools need to fix this problem.

This is cool. So to summarize, we actually have two issues?

1) KGW -> Affects all coins with KGW. Fix with DarkGravity/BlackHole.
2) Fake hash exploit on Stratum -> Local fix on stratum pools needed.

[bitcoyim]

Here is problem: https://github.com/MPOS/php-mpos/issues/1938

[chaeplin]

Here is problem: https://github.com/MPOS/php-mpos/issues/1938

issue for https://github.com/Crypto-Expert/stratum-mining .

[tifozi]

Here is problem: https://github.com/MPOS/php-mpos/issues/1938

Thanks. Let's hope it is patched fast. Do you want to make a thread in the Alt Currencies subforum to alert all pools? Most people don't check each coin thread in announcement sections.

[bitcoyim]

Here is problem: https://github.com/MPOS/php-mpos/issues/1938

Thanks. Let's hope it is patched fast. Do you want to make a thread in the Alt Currencies subforum to alert all pools? Most people don't check each coin thread in announcement sections.

Allready done on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513382.msg5673549#msg5673549

Also, when pool owners or mpos fixs this, i can help them to test fix.

[Standhaft]

Here is problem: https://github.com/MPOS/php-mpos/issues/1938

Thanks. Let's hope it is patched fast. Do you want to make a thread in the Alt Currencies subforum to alert all pools? Most people don't check each coin thread in announcement sections.

Allready done on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=513382.msg5673549#msg5673549

Also, when pool owners or mpos fixs this, i can help them to test fix.

This has to be fixed ASAP!

[AlexGR]

I get that, Pool owners want monney and so did not want to refuse some Power.
Users want better service and don't care. Even if you close the registration, the hash will not get away, it will remain the same for a while.

If you raise the fee when you go over 45% (for example), user will start to go away, and the pool owner will get more fees, it seems like a win-win solution.

If all the pools agree to do the same, public oppinion will not be hurted as soon as the fees will get back to normal when the Hash get out of the critical range.

Another method I've seen employed is to ddos the pool with 50% hashrate. Not a nice way of taking care of the problem . . but incredibly effective.

I can understand that most pools that hit 45% and greater aren't looking to cause problems . . but it really makes the coin look weak.

Coinmine is doing a very decent job as a pool and he's simply picking up the people that leave other pools because he's doing a better job. Should he be DDOSed for that? I think he was relatively cooperative, yet when the official pool went down for changes, the hashrate of coinmine exploded again (which is natural as he picked up a few extra gigahashes). Then the official pool didn't recover the hashrate after the server transfer and also had the orphan problem etc etc. So, naturally, people will opt for what works.

A simple email or pm to an understanding pool owner will do the trick in most cases. I think, from what I've read in his public responses, that he understands the issue, but then again what can he do with the network spikes when a large pool goes down and people use him as a failover? Even if he aims for a 30% market, he can still find himself at >50% on a day where 2 other pools are DDOSed, or are down for whatever reason. We simply need more pools that have a decent hashrate to avoid variance penalties and are operated in a smooth way so that people can diversify their hashrate. P2Pools are good as a concept but I'm getting too many issues, rejects etc. The situation is getting better for sure, relative to one month ago, as there are now much more options to choose from. And it'll probably get better with time.

That's cool, but I don't need to crucified for participating in a discussion about alternative ways to control a network . . apart from relying on hopes that everyone is an honest person and just sending them friendly messages will save everything.

I wasn't saying that it should happen . . only that it's effective. There's been multiple times I've seen it used where the pool owner made no effort to circumvent the situation . . and everyone was better off for it.

I'm not trying to say it's even the pool owner's fault for having the largest pool . . because here again I've seen coins where one of the worst to mediocre pools had 50% of the network.

Bottom line: If your pool goes over 50%, you are a threat to the coin.

No intention to crucify anyone here, I just object promoting DDOS as a solution. This is not how things should be done IMO.

[eizh]

Does this stratum issue require any action from miners? E.g. do we need to download a new sgminer or change the stratum+tcp address? I'll be gone for 3 weeks and I hope I can just keep my miner running 24/7 as it is.