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splawik21
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DASH is the future of crypto payments!
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September 10, 2014, 09:32:37 PM |
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BE SMART, USE DASH ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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freedomno1
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
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September 10, 2014, 10:04:20 PM |
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Thanks for the share how many weeks until it is fully functional The next 3-6 weeks will be spent creating the RC5 client which will have a few minor updates including some known issues resolved along with a basic gui that shows the current status of Darksend. But its good to know that there is a 3-6 week timeline for creating it will look forward to more updates
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Believing in Bitcoins and it's ability to change the world
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splawik21
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DASH is the future of crypto payments!
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September 10, 2014, 10:11:10 PM |
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Thanks for the share how many weeks until it is fully functional The next 3-6 weeks will be spent creating the RC5 client which will have a few minor updates including some known issues resolved along with a basic gui that shows the current status of Darksend. But its good to know that there is a 3-6 week timeline for creating it will look forward to more updates End of september sounds good for me, even mid october is nice October Fest for Flare
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BE SMART, USE DASH ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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camosoul
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September 10, 2014, 10:28:23 PM |
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The latest shift for the Darkcoin multipool paid out over 45 DRK. Om nom nom nom!
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camosoul
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September 10, 2014, 10:30:04 PM |
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I just love gagging on them...
Welcome to Le Telepathé! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05hTBAOnDQE&t=1m20s
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toknormal
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September 10, 2014, 10:53:21 PM |
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When your denominated funds are mixed by the masternodes, it grabs your and other's funds together and makes it into one big transaction that all of you group sign. This makes it equally likely that any of outputs could belong to any of the signers, thus the hard blockchain link is broken, and you're left with probabilities.
This ! I've never seen the DRK anon principle described this way, in particular the bit about group signing which I didn't know about. Now I understand why there are successive levels of anonymity - because each "round" adds another level of "group signing", thereby further obscuring the origin by an order of magnitude. So now I sent my anonymised coins to a new address to consolidate the balance. Then I realised I can hit "Anonymise" again and send it off for another x rounds of anonymisation for that matter - is this correct ? This is phenomenal. I realise now what the power of the masternodes is and how this architecture is right in devolving all the custom functionality to masternodes while retaining the market interface with the legacy bitcoin client. Class. EDIT: I just realized that once I've activated "anonymisation", the client just keeps on cycling my coins through anonymisation rounds till I tell it explicitly to stop. This must mean that the ENTIRE COIN SUPPLY is being continuously anonymised ! (At least that which is subject to open wallets). So it's basically not about a single wallet any more - your operating in a truly anonymous financial system who's every goalpost is on the move the whole time. This is the way to go for confidence. The masternodes are not a "semi centralised" system at all, they simply act as a functional service for a FULLY DECENTRALISED anonymous money base !
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vertoe
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September 10, 2014, 11:00:55 PM |
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When your denominated funds are mixed by the masternodes, it grabs your and other's funds together and makes it into one big transaction that all of you group sign. This makes it equally likely that any of outputs could belong to any of the signers, thus the hard blockchain link is broken, and you're left with probabilities.
This ! I've never seen the DRK anon principle described this way, in particular the bit about group signing which I didn't know about. Now I understand why there are successive levels of anonymity - because each "round" adds another level of "group signing", thereby further obscuring the origin by an order of magnitude. So now I sent my anonymised coins to a new address to consolidate the balance. Then I realised I can hit "Anonymise" again and send it off for another x rounds of anonymisation for that matter - is this correct ? This is phenomenal. I realise now what the power of the masternodes is and how this architecture is right in devolving all the custom functionality to masternodes while retaining the market interface with the legacy bitcoin client. Class. EDIT: I just realized that once I've activated "anonymisation", the client just keeps on cycling my coins through anonymisation rounds till I tell it explicitly to stop. This must mean that the ENTIRE COIN SUPPLY is being continuously anonymised ! So it's basically not about a single wallet any more - your operating in a truly anonymous financial system who's every goalpost is on the move the whole time. This is the way to go for confidence. The masternodes are not a "semi centralised" system at all, they simply act as a functional service for a FULLY DECENTRALISED anonymous money base ! Exactly.
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vertoe
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September 10, 2014, 11:02:31 PM |
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GhostPlayer
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September 10, 2014, 11:12:55 PM |
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When your denominated funds are mixed by the masternodes, it grabs your and other's funds together and makes it into one big transaction that all of you group sign. This makes it equally likely that any of outputs could belong to any of the signers, thus the hard blockchain link is broken, and you're left with probabilities.
This ! I've never seen the DRK anon principle described this way, in particular the bit about group signing which I didn't know about. Now I understand why there are successive levels of anonymity - because each "round" adds another level of "group signing", thereby further obscuring the origin by an order of magnitude. So now I sent my anonymised coins to a new address to consolidate the balance. Then I realised I can hit "Anonymise" again and send it off for another x rounds of anonymisation for that matter - is this correct ? This is phenomenal. I realise now what the power of the masternodes is and how this architecture is right in devolving all the custom functionality to masternodes while retaining the market interface with the legacy bitcoin client. Class. EDIT: I just realized that once I've activated "anonymisation", the client just keeps on cycling my coins through anonymisation rounds till I tell it explicitly to stop. This must mean that the ENTIRE COIN SUPPLY is being continuously anonymised ! (At least that which is subject to open wallets). So it's basically not about a single wallet any more - your operating in a truly anonymous financial system who's every goalpost is on the move the whole time. This is the way to go for confidence. The masternodes are not a "semi centralised" system at all, they simply act as a functional service for a FULLY DECENTRALISED anonymous money base ! There you go! Thats is exactly why Darkcoin is still in the "dark" (pun intended). Most dont get it. And complain about MN this and that or the other... People look at the trees and not the forest. If anything, Darkcoin solve all of BTC's "problems" in one go. You can anon. USD or EURO's in our pockets. In some cases even still they can be traced (serial numbers, finger prints, etc). But an entire financial system that removes the possibility of prying eyes in absolutely revolutionary. Once one finally understands the MASSIVE implications this has on a world wide scale, one cannot sleep until they stock up on DRK as fast as possible.
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mmitech
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things you own end up owning you
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September 11, 2014, 12:09:23 AM |
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I've got players for Bitcoin and Litecoin on my site but since I add Darkcoin I am the only one who threw the dice Join me and make ME some profits Fixed it for you - These "games" = SCAMS Why? How you can justify it? That's simple: Because most of the time I visit sites like this I get ripped off. SURE, I can make a deposit - but cashing out is a completly diifert story and most times NIL this is nonsense, you cant blame others for your bad luck... I really don't think you understand " cashing out is a completly diifert story and most times NIL" MEANING THAT: If i try to cash-out ANY FUNDS, it does NOT happen - WIN or LOSE - never a cash-out - that's the scam !! Being able to get the funds out has NOTHING to do with LUCK! interesting, well I can assure you that you can cash out in our site, right now I am upgrading few things, when I come back online come and give it a try
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vertoe
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September 11, 2014, 12:16:10 AM |
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coinzcoinzcoinz
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September 11, 2014, 12:31:27 AM |
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It is very impressive work by our friend Kristov. However, it doesn't really give me a feel for how good or bad the Darksend+ solution is and how it compares to other anonymous solutions out there. I'm not even sure if the review makes DRK look good or bad. Clearly I'm lacking technical knowledge to be able to make my own conclusions.
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coins101
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September 11, 2014, 12:48:03 AM |
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It is very impressive work by our friend Kristov. However, it doesn't really give me a feel for how good or bad the Darksend+ solution is and how it compares to other anonymous solutions out there. I'm not even sure if the review makes DRK look good or bad. Clearly I'm lacking technical knowledge to be able to make my own conclusions. Having seen pen test results, this looks, on balance, very positive - actually, fairly bullish towards Bitcoin saying, hey you - this works do something about it. 'significant enhancement' over bitcoin. Sybil attacks is the main weakness identified. It's something that impacts CryptoNote too (we know you are watching). The key thing is that these are weaknesses that can be improved upon - which is stated. Sybil attacks - two of us mix our coins, but I know my coins, therefore I can work out your coins. Its a bit exotic in some respects, as you would have to find your target in the first place, otherwise your scanning the network trying to figure out whose buying Alapca socks and which US citizen is playing online poker in Russia. Bloody good review and outcome in my opinion.
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AlexGR
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September 11, 2014, 12:52:44 AM |
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"If CoinJoin was a car wash that you traveled to and drove through in order to clean your car, Darksend+ would be a service that washes it in your driveway every night so that you always find the car clean when you’re ready to drive." (still reading)
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Minotaur26
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September 11, 2014, 12:55:12 AM |
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It is very impressive work by our friend Kristov. However, it doesn't really give me a feel for how good or bad the Darksend+ solution is and how it compares to other anonymous solutions out there. I'm not even sure if the review makes DRK look good or bad. Clearly I'm lacking technical knowledge to be able to make my own conclusions. Having seen pen test results, this looks, on balance, very positive - actually, fairly bullish towards Bitcoin saying, hey you - this works do something about it. 'significant enhancement' over bitcoin. Sybil attacks is the main weakness identified. It's something that impacts CryptoNote too (we know you are watching). The key thing is that these are weaknesses that can be improved upon - which is stated. Sybil attacks - two of us mix our coins, but I know my coins, therefore I can work out your coins. Its a bit exotic in some respects, as you would have to find your target in the first place, otherwise your scanning the network trying to figure out whose buying Alapca socks and which US citizen is playing online poker in Russia. Bloody good review and outcome in my opinion. +1 very positive. You need to remember Darkcoin is the only coin going through this kind of review so that in itself is a big validation. About comparing to other solutions, there are none that are at this stage of the ones that use the Bitcoin codebase and there have been extensive discussion about Cryptonote being an untested codebase with some inherent issues so they are at a much earlier stage. In terms of adoption in the near term Darkcoin is looking like a winner. The official code review from Kristov will come later.
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coins101
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September 11, 2014, 12:57:36 AM |
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"The core functionality of Darksend+ is a denominated, ahead-of-time CoinJoin implementation that introduces significant privacy improvements over Bitcoin." Hey Satoshi - come and get-me some of that. Push a few genesis blocks through and get yourself a Bugatti Veyron "These improvements are available not only to Darkcoin users, but also users of other crypto-currencies willing to hold darkcoins only temporarily for the purposes of mixing funds." He Charlie - we can do the LTC community a good group purchase discount deal on a bit of mixing: Cash over the internet. Well done Evan & Co.
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September 11, 2014, 01:00:10 AM |
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Great read!
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tungfa
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September 11, 2014, 01:01:52 AM |
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stealth923
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September 11, 2014, 01:03:10 AM |
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Amazing review - KA did a great job! Looks like Darksend+ is a winner and great he listed some easy fixes that Evan has already implemented i.e. increasing the mixing pool from 2 to 3 participants
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