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[Terzo]

...I'm going to be starting testing of RC5 in the next day or two on testnet...

It looks like we are ahead of the schedule !

[RenegadeMan]

Darknet is not a feature we need for Darkcoin,developers are doing the wrong thing,they should work more on the coin instead of creating a better Tor.

They are not doing the "wrong" thing, they are working on the coin. Eduffield just threw the idea of "darktor" out there to get feedback from others if the idea is feasible or not. Afaik they are not doing anything related to that yet.

You need to realize this part of my post:

"They should brand Darkcoin as a private coin like paying in cash,bitcoin in 2014 is moving away out of this negative things and then the developers are putting Darkcoin in it's place,not good.I dont want my Darkcoins to get a bad name but it will,the big public will only speak of the coin criminals use,how is that going to help us?
Criminals use the coin for doing criminal transactions you put yourself at risk when owning a masternode or even use the coin,i dont want the NSA or any goverment take this coin down or investor dont invest because they get stained with the stamp CRIMINAL on it."

That is the part i am very afraid of happening when they mix the coin with a private internet that will be used by criminals,criminals have lots of cash but i dont want my masternode being watched or even get closed because of this service you profide for criminals,this is not why i bought DRK.

This is the attitude they want everyone to have, they will use the media to drown Darkcoin in a sea of negativity...

I hope the attorney that Evan invited to the Darkcoin foundation is getting match fit, there is a high chance he's going to be extremely famous soon.

I'm predicting a legal case that goes to the very roots of American Law and receives a lot of media attention, which will set a precedence for all future crypto.

I hear what you're saying valentino007. I was also very concerned about DRK's potential to become THE criminal's choice for money laundering and illicit financial activity. However, having been on this forum for a while now and drinking in the many flavours of the wide variety of views expressed here, I'm starting to see that the banking and financial systems of the world, as they are today, are so devoid of privacy and they're so skewed to keep a relatively small handful of elites very very wealthy that anything that comes along and breaks all the "rules" is a) going to automatically attract a certain element of crime based activity and b) cause governments and big business everywhere to cry foul exactly as Ignition 75 has suggested. It's an appalling situation as you either play by guv/bbus rules and hand over all your privacy and transaction cost advantage or you develop something new like DRK and then get branded as "bad" for building something guv/bbus can't control and manipulate.

It shouldn't be this way but it is. I agree with Ig75, we're going to be involved in some heavy duty controversy going forward. Guv/bbus will throw mud like there's no tomorrow when they become fully aware of what DRK is and can do. This has to be. However, I don't think they'll try to take DRK down because it will become pretty useful for them too. There'd be nothing better for the guvs than to be able to send funds to those "friends today (biggest enemy tomorrow)" dictators they choose to side with for strategic interests without anyone being able to determine they've done this. They will love DRK for it's capabilities. While they'll scream and carry on, they'll secretly be sure it keeps going because it will become fundamentally important to their ops.

[tungfa]

Is it sheer bad luck that I have not received any MN payments since I last Updated it on the Aug 22nd or is there something not right with this updated MN?

Here is a clipping of my MN from https://drk.mn/masternodes.html . I had help with the update and now I've been wondering what I should do next? Please give me a shout out if you can tell what in Sam Hill is going on?  




Thank You. Peace.

How long does it take to get on the list?

After Starting the MN ?
Fast ! (i saw mine in minutes or even instant)
but i think some pages were down for a bit
i am still not 100% sure this one is running and updating as fast as before.

El Presidente will probably give you are more detailed answer then me

[tungfa]

Relax guys
it was an idea
nothing is up and running yet
"THE criminal's choice for money laundering and illicit financial activity" ... BULLSH...T
come on eh ! in the moment it is the US$, and you think it will be DRK after !
always thinking negative .... lighten up guys ... there are so many good things we can do with this as well.
I am not sure why everybody is riding around on Child Porn, Drug Traffic ... i think you are all watching too much TV !

[oly1]

Is it sheer bad luck that I have not received any MN payments since I last Updated it on the Aug 22nd or is there something not right with this updated MN?

Here is a clipping of my MN from https://drk.mn/masternodes.html . I had help with the update and now I've been wondering what I should do next? Please give me a shout out if you can tell what in Sam Hill is going on? 

http://i62.tinypic.com/2wfjw5g.png


Thank You. Peace.

How long does it take to get on the list?

After Starting the MN ?
Fast ! (i saw mine in minutes or even instant)
but i think some pages were down for a bit
i am still not 100% sure this one is running and updating as fast as before.

El Presidente will probably give you are more detailed answer then me

I don't see my MN in this list. I started it 2 days ago and i did see it listed in here http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html
Should i worry?

[Minotaur26]

Is it sheer bad luck that I have not received any MN payments since I last Updated it on the Aug 22nd or is there something not right with this updated MN?

Here is a clipping of my MN from https://drk.mn/masternodes.html . I had help with the update and now I've been wondering what I should do next? Please give me a shout out if you can tell what in Sam Hill is going on?  



woul
Thank You. Peace.

Taking a look there are like 6 nodes older than yours with no payments, so you are not alone, and it seems you have one of the unlucky nodes that complete the curve. It has been 8 days so it does not seem as an exaggeration. What I would do if I were you is enter the raffle with a new ticket, transfer the coins to a new address, create a new vps, terminate your current one, generate a new masternode key, that way you start fresh with a new ticket. Now you can decide when to do this, but taking into account that some nodes get paid quick and others have to wait longer based on the deterministic algorithm I would take my chances with a completely new install. Already did this with an unlucky node.

[tungfa]

Is it sheer bad luck that I have not received any MN payments since I last Updated it on the Aug 22nd or is there something not right with this updated MN?

Here is a clipping of my MN from https://drk.mn/masternodes.html . I had help with the update and now I've been wondering what I should do next? Please give me a shout out if you can tell what in Sam Hill is going on? 




Thank You. Peace.

How long does it take to get on the list?

After Starting the MN ?
Fast ! (i saw mine in minutes or even instant)
but i think some pages were down for a bit
i am still not 100% sure this one is running and updating as fast as before.

El Presidente will probably give you are more detailed answer then me

I don't see my MN in this list. I started it 2 days ago and i did see it listed in here http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html
Should i worry?

Nope
if it is on here
http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html
it is all good.
The other page is still half down I think (others are saying it is up and running but i am not so sure)

[Minotaur26]

Is it sheer bad luck that I have not received any MN payments since I last Updated it on the Aug 22nd or is there something not right with this updated MN?

Here is a clipping of my MN from https://drk.mn/masternodes.html . I had help with the update and now I've been wondering what I should do next? Please give me a shout out if you can tell what in Sam Hill is going on? 




Thank You. Peace.

How long does it take to get on the list?

After Starting the MN ?
Fast ! (i saw mine in minutes or even instant)
but i think some pages were down for a bit
i am still not 100% sure this one is running and updating as fast as before.

El Presidente will probably give you are more detailed answer then me

I don't see my MN in this list. I started it 2 days ago and i did see it listed in here http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html
Should i worry?

if you are seeing it there you are most probably OK,  if you want to check for yourself do masternode list | grep <insert my ip here> on your masternode CLI, it should come back with your masternode ip listed as 1, that means you are fine.

[tungfa]

Promising Altcoins !! ...->>

http://blog.cex.io/promising-altcoins/



Promising Altcoins

By Alex Kerya, September 1, 2014
Promising Altcoins

New cryptocurrencies appear every day. At the moment, there are over 200 of them and the number increases almost exponentially.  With this many coins, it is hard to find those that have any potential. Simply, numbers are overwhelming and do not allow for a clear view on the entire ecosystem. With this in mind, we decided to pinpoint several altcoins that show promise, at least, in our opinion. Furthermore, our hope is to provide users with tools that will help them wade trough the altcoin forest.

Tools

Several websites offer altcoin comparison charts. One of the most popular ones is Coinmarketcap.com. Although it gives valuable info about relative value of different cryptocurrencies, it does not provide a clear picture of all the altcoins available. Market cap represents the value per altcoin multiplied with the amount of coins on the market. The figure produced gives an idea of how valuable each coin is. Unfortunately, the website does not account for the popularity of altcoins or their usage. Furthermore, when looking at the values presented, one should look for amount of money traded, and the shape of the graph. For example if the graph is comprised from almost unbroken geometrical lines, this indicates small volume traded, and suggests that any price jump is most likely short term in nature.  Additionally, inspecting Bitcointalk thread gives a better overview of the market and enables users to understand how popular each currency is. Furthermore, analyzing relevant subreddit can be useful. There are many factors determining the price of altcoins, but the rule of thumb is that the more popular the coin is, the price will be higher.

Altcoins

Blackcoin

One of the first POS coins on the market. Instead on relying on standard Proof of Work in order to authenticate transaction blocks, Blackcoin uses Proof of Stake. Subsequently, users do not depend on miners providing network security, but can provide it themselves by keeping the wallet open.  Additionally, BlackHalo is a feature of Blackcoin, providing unbreakable contracts between parties. It is an innovative concept that might revolutionize the way we trade.

BitShares

According to BitShares, cryptocurrencies can be viewed as shares in businesses with an eye toward maximizing profits by producing the most value possible at the least possible cost.   These businesses have come to be known as Decentralized Autonomous Companies (DACs). BitShares is a step further toward creating decentralized companies with greater accountability thanks to the blockchain.

Darkcoin

Proponents of Bitcoin often focused on its anonymity. After the closure of Silk Road, it became clear that Bitcoin is not as anonymous as it was perceived. Darkcoin tries to restore anonymity and provide a reliable service to the users. By implementing DarkSend, innovation in the protocol that mixes coins and enables anonymity, Darkcoin became one of the rare truly anonymous solutions available.

Namecoin

Namecoin developers were interested in building a general data-value store. Namecoin leverages Bitcoin’s monetary-value store but focuses more on additional information which can be stored, such as a domain name system or an identification/authorization database. It is yet another potential use of Bitcoin protocol that might have wide application in the future.

Ripple

In Ripple, users make payments between themselves by using cryptographically signed transactions denominated in either Ripple’s internal currency named XRP or in arbitrary other assets (including real-world assets such as dollars, gold, air miles etc.). Therefore users and merchants can make transactions quickly and without effort. The Ripple system connects many major players in the finance world and creates a viable ecosystem.

Conclusion

There are many other currencies out there. When we look in the past and see the situation on the market for PC’s in the 1980s, it reminds of the current cryptocurrency market. Many competitors tried to sell their own PC brand, but in the end Apple and Microsoft won the market. Maybe in the next several years we see something similar happening in the crypto world. Until then, we should keep our eyes open, so that we don’t miss new Microsoft.

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[Ignition75]

I don't think they'll try to take DRK down because it will become pretty useful for them too. There'd be nothing better for the guvs than to be able to send funds to those "friends today (biggest enemy tomorrow)" dictators they choose to side with for strategic interests without anyone being able to determine they've done this. They will love DRK for it's capabilities. While they'll scream and carry on, they'll secretly be sure it keeps going because it will become fundamentally important to their ops.

I have had this feeling for a very long time as well, the banks have always had control over the governments because well, they control the money...

Nathan Rothschild said (1777-1836): "I care not what puppet  is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The  man who controls Britain's money supply controls the  British Empire and I control the British money supply."

Imagine the governments use anon crypto to break free of the stranglehold the banks have had on them for so long?

The three letter government agencies could end up being Dark's biggest defender hey RenegadeMan?

Imagine that.  NSA sending Evan bug reports to help out on testnet 

[tungfa]

Imagine the governments use anon crypto to break free of the stranglehold the banks have had on them for so long?

The three letter government agencies could end up being Dark's biggest defender hey RenegadeMan?

Imagine that.  NSA sending Evan bug reports to help out on testnet 

Great thinking !! ....>
Tx for that , love it !

That sounds a little (just a little) like this:
http://www.scmagazineuk.com/rogue-uk-and-us-spies-help-safeguard-tor-network/article/367578/

[toknormal]

People should listen to Jim Willie's interview recently.

This is the most clearly articulated and viable explanation of what's going on in the world right now regarding geopolitical financial manoeuvrings.

Quite amazing stuff imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgOUazLGdhc

[JypsiCreme]

Hey! I've come across a few ardent Monero supporters the other day and we've gotten in this argument about whose technology for anonymous transactions is more advanced, DRK or XMR. What arguments do we have to shut them up?  

The obfuscating technology of ring signatures is superior in terms of anonymity compared to coinjoin-based solution. However it is impractical and doesn't scale, therefore rendering the cryptonote-based coins as something like proof-of-concept, rather than usable coins that can experience wide adoption.

Also note that superiority of ring-signatures does not automatically translate to something like NSA-proof level of anonymity. Both DRK and Cryptonote can be practically anonymous for any third private party that watches the transactions on the blockchain but both can be vulnerable to NSA-tracking. If you are an individual using either DRK or Monero for example, coupled with good IP obfuscation and a high-level mixing, nobody will find your transaction. The NSA though, might.

This means that on a practical level, the technical superiority of ring signatures cannot translate into a market advantage, as both coins are anonymous as far as third-private-parties are concerned, but they both are vulnerable to NSA-level resources (where monitoring networks and even hardware devices is a reality).

If DRKTor -or whatever it's named- is a good enough alternative compared to I2P or Tor, then DRK might become the only NSA-proof anonymous coin, as it will have covered the IP obfuscation in a sufficient manner that I2P or Tor hasn't. The fact that the IP obfuscation nodes cannot be sockpuppeted without significant cost, is quite a plus. However it will require a much greater degree of decentralization where Masternodes are installed outside "big" data centers known to cooperate with government agencies.

Very well said although monero fans might argue that scalability issue is bit far-fetched. Their argument is that they are pretty sure that the number of users and complexity level won't grow exponentially, so the coin should keep going even when the number of users is very high.

[coins101]

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112415/a-glimpse-into-xcurrencys-mission-to-decentralize-everything

 

I don't mind that they copy me, I mind that they don't have any ideas of their own

Pretty much. Everything Darkcoin does they try to do the same. (albeit worse) They're copycats and their marketcap and trading volume reflects that. They still talk about Chaeplin actually.
(prepare for the onslaught of shills)

No, they don`t try to do the same, they only write it but never doing anything for their own, only waiting to open source of all features.

Yeah, they are waiting for DRK to open source.

Shills - fuck'em. Bring it on.

They are nothing more than a case study for patent lawyers to show prospective clients.

So someone from XC came here and confirmed that we were talking about web 3.0 on 19 Aug, and that their press release happened a few days later.

That actually is good enough to stand up in a court of IPR.  There is a precedent that was set by Google - their adWords idea was actually an idea given to them by someone else, who had to take them to court and that person now enjoys a healthy share of Google stock.

This has had me thinking.

There are somethings that have to be open source, such as the code that drives the anonymity lawyers layers (are you allowed to use a Freudian slip on purpose?) and anything related to that. That is not in question.

However, what if xyz additional services, functions, etc were done and which people felt did not have a bearing on the integrity of anonymity.  Can somethings remain closed source?

Not suggesting anything in particular, or recommending anything. Just seeking some views.

As sure as eggs is eggs, even in Cornwall, after RC5, open source, etc., I doubt work on developing Darkcoin will just stop.

[Gospodaar]

People should listen to Jim Willie's interview recently.

This is the most clearly articulated and viable explanation of what's going on in the world right now regarding geopolitical financial manoeuvrings.

Quite amazing stuff imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgOUazLGdhc

I'm from Ukraine and maybe that person is good at money calculations but he's lying about Ukraine.

[pookielax31]

Does anybody please got a good tip for me
for an encrypted , easy to set up email service i can use !
Tx

The Lelantos Email Project on TOR... It only accepts bitcoin

[AlexGR]

Hey! I've come across a few ardent Monero supporters the other day and we've gotten in this argument about whose technology for anonymous transactions is more advanced, DRK or XMR. What arguments do we have to shut them up?  

The obfuscating technology of ring signatures is superior in terms of anonymity compared to coinjoin-based solution. However it is impractical and doesn't scale, therefore rendering the cryptonote-based coins as something like proof-of-concept, rather than usable coins that can experience wide adoption.

Also note that superiority of ring-signatures does not automatically translate to something like NSA-proof level of anonymity. Both DRK and Cryptonote can be practically anonymous for any third private party that watches the transactions on the blockchain but both can be vulnerable to NSA-tracking. If you are an individual using either DRK or Monero for example, coupled with good IP obfuscation and a high-level mixing, nobody will find your transaction. The NSA though, might.

This means that on a practical level, the technical superiority of ring signatures cannot translate into a market advantage, as both coins are anonymous as far as third-private-parties are concerned, but they both are vulnerable to NSA-level resources (where monitoring networks and even hardware devices is a reality).

If DRKTor -or whatever it's named- is a good enough alternative compared to I2P or Tor, then DRK might become the only NSA-proof anonymous coin, as it will have covered the IP obfuscation in a sufficient manner that I2P or Tor hasn't. The fact that the IP obfuscation nodes cannot be sockpuppeted without significant cost, is quite a plus. However it will require a much greater degree of decentralization where Masternodes are installed outside "big" data centers known to cooperate with government agencies.

Very well said although monero fans might argue that scalability issue is bit far-fetched. Their argument is that they are pretty sure that the number of users and complexity level won't grow exponentially, so the coin should keep going even when the number of users is very high.

Well, as we know[1] the value of a network is proportional to its use, so the argument is actually suicidal for investment purposes. "Hey not many people will use it, so it should be relatively ok..."

If you want to be "online cash" / ecash, you have to lift a tremendous amount of "weight" in terms of transactions. When Visa has a peak transaction volume of ~40.000 transactions per second and more than 200mn tx per day, there's a real problem for cryptocurrencies that desire to get a percentage of that action... Btw, that also includes Bitcoin blockchain tech, which is an order of magnitude leaner than Cryptonote tech.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655792.0

[coins101]

Hey! I've come across a few ardent Monero supporters the other day and we've gotten in this argument about whose technology for anonymous transactions is more advanced, DRK or XMR. What arguments do we have to shut them up?  

The obfuscating technology of ring signatures is superior in terms of anonymity compared to coinjoin-based solution. However it is impractical and doesn't scale, therefore rendering the cryptonote-based coins as something like proof-of-concept, rather than usable coins that can experience wide adoption.

Also note that superiority of ring-signatures does not automatically translate to something like NSA-proof level of anonymity. Both DRK and Cryptonote can be practically anonymous for any third private party that watches the transactions on the blockchain but both can be vulnerable to NSA-tracking. If you are an individual using either DRK or Monero for example, coupled with good IP obfuscation and a high-level mixing, nobody will find your transaction. The NSA though, might.

This means that on a practical level, the technical superiority of ring signatures cannot translate into a market advantage, as both coins are anonymous as far as third-private-parties are concerned, but they both are vulnerable to NSA-level resources (where monitoring networks and even hardware devices is a reality).

If DRKTor -or whatever it's named- is a good enough alternative compared to I2P or Tor, then DRK might become the only NSA-proof anonymous coin, as it will have covered the IP obfuscation in a sufficient manner that I2P or Tor hasn't. The fact that the IP obfuscation nodes cannot be sockpuppeted without significant cost, is quite a plus. However it will require a much greater degree of decentralization where Masternodes are installed outside "big" data centers known to cooperate with government agencies.

Very well said although monero fans might argue that scalability issue is bit far-fetched. Their argument is that they are pretty sure that the number of users and complexity level won't grow exponentially, so the coin should keep going even when the number of users is very high.

Well, as we know[1] the value of a network is proportional to its use, so the argument is actually suicidal for investment purposes. "Hey not many people will use it, so it should be relatively ok..."

If you want to be "online cash" / ecash, you have to lift a tremendous amount of "weight" in terms of transactions. When Visa has a peak transaction volume of ~40.000 transactions per second and more than 200mn tx per day, there's a real problem for cryptocurrencies that desire to get a percentage of that action... Btw, that also includes Bitcoin blockchain tech, which is an order of magnitude leaner than Cryptonote tech.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655792.0

I don't usually bookmark posts...

....but when I do, it's AlexGR's posts

[RenegadeMan]

I don't think they'll try to take DRK down because it will become pretty useful for them too. There'd be nothing better for the guvs than to be able to send funds to those "friends today (biggest enemy tomorrow)" dictators they choose to side with for strategic interests without anyone being able to determine they've done this. They will love DRK for it's capabilities. While they'll scream and carry on, they'll secretly be sure it keeps going because it will become fundamentally important to their ops.

I have had this feeling for a very long time as well, the banks have always had control over the governments because well, they control the money...

Nathan Rothschild said (1777-1836): "I care not what puppet  is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The  man who controls Britain's money supply controls the  British Empire and I control the British money supply."

Imagine the governments use anon crypto to break free of the stranglehold the banks have had on them for so long?

The three letter government agencies could end up being Dark's biggest defender hey RenegadeMan?

Imagine that.  NSA sending Evan bug reports to help out on testnet 

Ha! You have a great imagination Ignition75. Yes it may well be that the 3letters guv agencies become big users, but you can bet they'll mask it with a façade of "using it for investigative purposes".