[ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning

[Mrpumperitis]

Decentralization doesn’t mean that anything runs completely in the wild; it means that the power to change is led by consensus, rather than dictated. With the fork after the DAO exploit earlier this year, a lot of the arguments seemed to confuse the idea of deregulation with that of decentralization. A strongly-centralized blockchain is susceptible to corruption. A blockchain led by consensus is far less so. But a completely-unregulated blockchain (one which is only regulated by the originating code) is by its nature corrupt to begin with. Code can’t change itself to correct issues.

http://sebfor.com/misunderstanding-cryptocurrency/

[tempus]

I still don't understand why ETH is helping a 3rd party software team to recover funds THEY lost due to lack of testing/unit testing

This tells me 1 thing.. ETH considers the marketcap of their project to be more important than adoption/principals of their platform, simple really

This decision is entirely based on money, yes money, fiat, that thing we are trying to replace with crypto is swaying the decisions of crypto now.

Everyone seem to be mentioning how much $USD they lost, how much BTC they lost or will lose, no one seems concerned that ETH is the first crypto to implement blacklists

Will the blacklists stop at transaction(s), or will it extent to addresses, countries, ip's, political parties???

ETH took BTC and turned it into FIAT, Awesome work.

I think you dont understand is that ETH is still in development and changes like this must be made now to make ETH stronger and more secure for the future.

ETH is not broken is it?, I thought DAO lost the ETH, Are you saying ETH is broken?

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I don't think Ethereum is "broken", but obviously it's in big trouble and the DAO-bug is not just about DAO but about Solidity:



Ethereum itself seems to be flawed according to the latest developments on the DAO Hack.

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[T]his was actually not a flaw or exploit in the DAO contract itself: technically the EVM was operating as intended, but Solidity was introducing security flaws into contracts that were not only missed by the community, but missed by the designers of the language themselves.

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https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/ethereum-solidity-flaw-dao/


Many say that. Another example:

"This problem is so serious that it cannot be treated as a bug in the DAO. The problem is with Solidity itself, which is the scripting language used in Ethereum. "

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A sign that no one is prepared to write smart contracts in Solidity is the fact that the Ethereum dev team, the people who designed both Solidity and the DAO, could not even fix their own bug. They don’t have the ability to approach these bugs correctly, and neither, in my opinion, does anyone else. It may be possible to reliably write smart contracts that work correctly, but currently no one knows how to do it.

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http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/ethereum-is-doomed/?fb_ref=Default#selection-261.3-265.96

[roselee]

its a very interesting situation and will show what the crypto realy is in a moral view.

i look forwart to see who has the power

the devs ?
the miners?
the holders?
the exchanges ?

who will find  consensus and what will it be  ?

[arielbit]

Looks like a majority want a SF...im all for it and so are many that i know personally 

http://ethpool.org/stats/votes

i didn't know about voting there..voted for soft fork

[roselee]

Looks like a majority want a SF...im all for it and so are many that i know personally 

http://ethpool.org/stats/votes

i didn't know about voting there..voted for soft fork

only 65000 out of 300000 voted
thats a minority
and only 50000 say yes to the sf

[DreamSpace]

Looks like a majority want a SF...im all for it and so are many that i know personally 

http://ethpool.org/stats/votes

i didn't know about voting there..voted for soft fork

only 65000 out of 300000 voted
thats a minority
and only 50000 say yes to the sf

essential are only the given votes (or the majority even if they not voted) ?

[roselee]

Looks like a majority want a SF...im all for it and so are many that i know personally 

http://ethpool.org/stats/votes

i didn't know about voting there..voted for soft fork

only 65000 out of 300000 voted
thats a minority
and only 50000 say yes to the sf

essential are only the given votes (or the majority even if they not voted) ?

but have they all be informed ? like the one that just said o i didnt know i can vote ?

[arielbit]

Looks like a majority want a SF...im all for it and so are many that i know personally  

http://ethpool.org/stats/votes

i didn't know about voting there..voted for soft fork

only 65000 out of 300000 voted
thats a minority
and only 50000 say yes to the sf

essential are only the given votes (or the majority even if they not voted) ?

but have they all be informed ? like the one that just said o i didnt know i can vote ?

pools can/should have voting, ethpool should make a banner or some sort in their page/s, coinotron has it.

[Mrpumperitis]

A hard-fork is the libertarian option! self.ethereum

submitted 4 minutes ago by HermanSchoenfeld

What's all the fuss about?

The thief can keep his loot on his chain and individual users can choose to fork their chains and undo the thief's exploit.

A hard-fork is perfectly consistent with libertarian fundamentals so long as it's not forced on anyone - it's a choice every user/node makes.

There's no contracts being broken, no one is being forced to upgrade and fork, and no ones taking away anyones loot.

If you want to live on the chain where the thief controls 15% of the supply, you can. If you want to provide goods and services for his stolen loot, you can! Those of us who find this idea reprehensible, don't have to. As free libertarians, we can individually choose to upgrade our nodes and fork our local chains and undo the thief's exploit.

It's like if a bank robber manages to steal 15% of USD currency and we choose to use AUD instead. We're not stealing the bank robbers money by choosing to use another currency, he can keep his loot all he wants. And if you want to accept it for goods and services, you can! We don't have to, because we are free libertarians and choose not too. What's the problem?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4p36ur/a_hardfork_is_the_libertarian_option/

[becoin]

It's like if a bank robber manages to steal 15% of USD currency and we choose to use AUD instead.

Nope. It's like you choose to print USD bills with a new design to make counterfeiting more difficult. Just what central banks do when they print too much money.

[Mrpumperitis]

It's like if a bank robber manages to steal 15% of USD currency and we choose to use AUD instead.

Nope. It's like you choose to print USD bills with a new design to make counterfeiting more difficult. Just what central banks do when they print too much money.

best troll ever 

[becoin]

But why all the hassle? Just sell your ethers and move to some other altcoin, if you're altcoin lover. There are hundreds of them and much more secure than ethers.

[Mrpumperitis]

But why all the hassle? Just sell your ethers and move to some other altcoin, if you're altcoin lover. There are hundreds of them and much more secure than ethers.

can suggest some...pleeeeeease

[ChekaZ]

But why all the hassle? Just sell your ethers and move to some other altcoin, if you're altcoin lover. There are hundreds of them and much more secure than ethers.

can suggest some...pleeeeeease

Do your own research

[FruitBucket]

Pleasem hard fork it. thanks!

If Ethereum decides to go with a hard fork I will lose all confidence in this token, forever.

Soft fork is fine with me, it will give a warning to hackers that they will not gain from their criminal activities.

[becoin]

Pleasem hard fork it. thanks!

If Ethereum decides to go with a hard fork I will lose all confidence in this token, forever.

Soft fork is fine with me, it will give a warning to hackers that they will not gain from their criminal activities.

Criminal activity is a category created by law; in other words, something is a crime if declared as such by the relevant and applicable law. Such activities are forbidden and punishable by law. Are ethereum smart contracts forbidden and punishable by law?

[Bokelka]

Pleasem hard fork it. thanks!

If Ethereum decides to go with a hard fork I will lose all confidence in this token, forever.

Soft fork is fine with me, it will give a warning to hackers that they will not gain from their criminal activities.

Criminal activity is a category created by law; in other words, something is a crime if declared as such by the relevant and applicable law. Such activities are forbidden and punishable by law. Are ethereum smart contracts forbidden and punishable by law?

The contract law could indicate a contract should be fair to both parties. If the law thinks it is unfair, then the contract is invalid.

[geenius]

Guys, is there a possibility to move Ethereum address to another wallet? Something like in a QT-Wallet where you can export private keys and import them into new wallet.

The original Ethereum wallet was on 64bit Windows PC which was not mine (company owned) and I have 32bit Windows. Do you think that this could be some problem too?

Thank you very much
Gee

Just copy file from keystore to another keystore on other computer

Thank you, but unfortunately it did not work. Looks like I still have to create a new account. There is "You have accounts yet". Am I missing something?
Thank you

[becoin]

Pleasem hard fork it. thanks!

If Ethereum decides to go with a hard fork I will lose all confidence in this token, forever.

Soft fork is fine with me, it will give a warning to hackers that they will not gain from their criminal activities.

Criminal activity is a category created by law; in other words, something is a crime if declared as such by the relevant and applicable law. Such activities are forbidden and punishable by law. Are ethereum smart contracts forbidden and punishable by law?

The contract law could indicate a contract should be fair to both parties. If the law thinks it is unfair, then the contract is invalid.

Smart contracts are computer protocols that facilitate, verify, or enforce the negotiation or performance of a contract. How will you prove that ethereum computer protocol is unfair? How will you prove open source computer code that calculates 2+2=4 is unfair?

[Roidz]

let me understand..
 soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?