#1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.

[Gogo ppp]

Charlie Robert - "Sorry for the inconvinient for the enquiries email form at ole group international, we will improve this technical issue in shortly. But actually, you can send this email (enquiries@oleintl.com) directly instead of via the web form."

I used enquiries@oleintl.com on my own email (I didn't see a web form).

It was immediately returned.

"Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups:

enquiries@oleintl.com (enquiries@oleintl.com)
Your message can't be delivered because delivery to this address is restricted."

[FUR11]

I've been using nitrogen for a week or so now and have been pretty impressed with the set up.  They seem to have more offerings then anyone else, they have a live chat which seems to be checked on by site employees periodically, 0 confirmation deposits which is great, and very fast payouts.  The grading on unique bets (MMA, all star game, olympics, ect) is faster then on a lot of other btc books I've used, but still sometimes takes 20-45 minutes.  Not ideal, but understandable seeing as they have to be manually graded and you can always bug them on the live chat and speed up the process.  The only other downside is the small max bet, but the max bet for every event is clearly listed and apparently you can get your limits increased (I haven't tried as I've yet to have a need to wager over half a coin on any single wager).  Overall it seems like a very solid book and I don't see any reason to not give them all of my btc action.

[Rating Place]

I've been using nitrogen for a week or so now and have been pretty impressed with the set up.  They seem to have more offerings then anyone else, they have a live chat which seems to be checked on by site employees periodically, 0 confirmation deposits which is great, and very fast payouts.  The grading on unique bets (MMA, all star game, olympics, ect) is faster then on a lot of other btc books I've used, but still sometimes takes 20-45 minutes.  Not ideal, but understandable seeing as they have to be manually graded and you can always bug them on the live chat and speed up the process.  The only other downside is the small max bet, but the max bet for every event is clearly listed and apparently you can get your limits increased (I haven't tried as I've yet to have a need to wager over half a coin on any single wager).  Overall it seems like a very solid book and I don't see any reason to not give them all of my btc action.

thank you

[Gogo ppp]

Peeps Place - "Because SBObitcoin has been so prevalent on the forums ..."

Are you referring to bettors who used them posting about the experience, or to Sbotbitcoin making posts about their service?

If the former, where can I find those posts?

SBOBitcoin also has a presence in post up gambling forums. Most bitcoin books have stuck to bitcoin forums for the most part.

Once again you avoid answering my questions.

When you refer to sbobitcoin's presence on forums - Are you referring to bettors who used them posting about the experience, or to Sbotbitcoin making posts about their own service?

If the former, where can I find those posts?

[Rating Place]

http://spaces.covers.com/sbobitcoin

http://www.bookmakersforum.com/topic-tags/pinnacle-sports

Gogo - I'm not a rep for any of the books. It's better to ask them.

[Gogo ppp]

Dear Gogo,

Thank you for all the rating and comprehension within the threads, all comments are appreciated. So gladly with the chance to answer those question that you may misunderstand.
1. Yes, SBOBitcoin is part of Ole Group international Ltd

2. SBOBitcoin.com is subsidiary of Ole Group International which is licensed and regulated by First Cagayan, so that means SBOBitcoin.com is licensed by First Cayagan as well.
(http://www.firstcagayan.com/operators.php)

3. Yes definitely, Ole Group International Ltd will stand behind all the subsidiaries like SBOBitcoin.com and cover all the problems would be including financial problem.
Customer trust is no.1 goal for us.

Sorry for the inconvinient for the enquiries email form at ole group international, we will improve this technical issue in shortly. But actually, you can send this email (enquiries@oleintl.com) directly instead of via the web form.

7bet-Agents.com and sbobitcoin.com are another affiliate Division from Ole Group International, in different target market country and currency.
sbobitcoin.com is an agent for opening sportsbook account with renowned market leader like SBOBET, IBCBET and Pinnacle. Hopefully, this announce will clear things out and If have any inquiry or question, feel free to reach our 24/7 customer service via sbobitcoin.com or email us info@sbobitcoin.com.

Thank You

Best Regards,
Charlie Robert
Assistant Marketing and Business Development
Ole Group International

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Charlie Robert - I would like to play at the 3 books which sbobitcoin is an agent for.
But the history of internet gambling is a history in many cases of people having their deposits stolen.

Transparency is needed, the more the better.

What your post does is show me that someone, probaby the owner/co-owner of sbobitcoin.com, has shown up in this thread, and is making the same claims that his website does.
This is not confirmation.


"2) "2. SBOBitcoin.com is subsidiary of Ole Group International which is licensed and regulated by First Cagayan, so that means SBOBitcoin.com is licensed by First Cayagan as well.
(http://www.firstcagayan.com/operators.php)"

At the bottom of the site you link, it states:

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ARE NOT in any way connected with Licensees and/or Operators of First Cagayan Leisure & Resort Corporation."



So there are many websites trying to gain credibility by pretending to be licensed.







Perhaps you can help me by shedding light on the following cloudy issues:



1) What company are you with and what is your position there?



2)

Charilie Robert -  "2. SBOBitcoin.com is subsidiary of Ole Group International which is licensed and regulated by First Cagayan, so that means SBOBitcoin.com is licensed by First Cayagan as well.
(http://www.firstcagayan.com/operators.php)

3. Yes definitely, Ole Group International Ltd will stand behind all the subsidiaries like SBOBitcoin.com and cover all the problems would be including financial problem.
Customer trust is no.1 goal for us."



I sought confirmation of this from Ole Group International Ltd .

Why don't they list a phone number on their site?
Why do they only list one email address, and then "restrict" that address so that they are unreachable?

You state that they will stand behind all the subsidiaries.
That does no good if they have made themselves unreachable by phone or even email.




3) "7bet-Agents.com and sbobitcoin.com are another affiliate Division from Ole Group International, in different target market country and currency."



Why does  Ole Group International list 7bet-Agents on their website, but not sbobitcoin.com?



  

[Rating Place]

Charlie Robert - I would like to play at the 3 books which sbobitcoin is an agent for.
But the history of internet gambling is a history in many cases of people having their deposits stolen.

Transparency is needed, the more the better.

Gogo - Not directed at me but BetPanAm, Aces Gold, Cascade. BetonSports. WSEX. Legends. Books that SBR had rated "A" and "B" at one time. These are books that were highly transparent that ran away with our funds. There is very little information on almost all of the bitcoin books.

[b!z]

Coinbet stuck their neck out with advertising on the Reuters board in Times Square. The backlash from this will have a lot to say for the future of bitcoin gambling. Coinbet is very well funded and seems to be taking the lead for the American market. I don't think it will be long before legislature will make a decision on bitcoin gambling in the US.

Coinbet is a great company, but $349 for a press release with an ad displayed long enough for them to take a photo doesn't really count as advertising in Times Square.

[Rating Place]

Coinbet stuck their neck out with advertising on the Reuters board in Times Square. The backlash from this will have a lot to say for the future of bitcoin gambling. Coinbet is very well funded and seems to be taking the lead for the American market. I don't think it will be long before legislature will make a decision on bitcoin gambling in the US.

Coinbet is a great company, but $349 for a press release with an ad displayed long enough for them to take a photo doesn't really count as advertising in Times Square.

They are the most transparent of all the bitcoin books. Coinbet was interviewed and that article has passed around in many of the major publications. They are my favorite book to watch as far as progress. Coinbet started off green but they are learning on the fly and accepting poster suggestions. There's an article that stated they have revolutionary ideas and I'm believe them.

[b!z]

Coinbet stuck their neck out with advertising on the Reuters board in Times Square. The backlash from this will have a lot to say for the future of bitcoin gambling. Coinbet is very well funded and seems to be taking the lead for the American market. I don't think it will be long before legislature will make a decision on bitcoin gambling in the US.

Coinbet is a great company, but $349 for a press release with an ad displayed long enough for them to take a photo doesn't really count as advertising in Times Square.

They are the most transparent of all the bitcoin books. There are many articles and interviews in major publications.

Nothing that you can't achieve with a press release.

Thank you for taking the time to research books. I do agree with most of the ratings you've given.

[Rating Place]

Coinbet stuck their neck out with advertising on the Reuters board in Times Square. The backlash from this will have a lot to say for the future of bitcoin gambling. Coinbet is very well funded and seems to be taking the lead for the American market. I don't think it will be long before legislature will make a decision on bitcoin gambling in the US.

Coinbet is a great company, but $349 for a press release with an ad displayed long enough for them to take a photo doesn't really count as advertising in Times Square.

They are the most transparent of all the bitcoin books. There are many articles and interviews in major publications.

Nothing that you can't achieve with a press release.

Thank you for taking the time to research books. I do agree with most of the ratings you've given.

Thanks. You do a great job too.

[Gogo ppp]

Charlie Robert - I would like to play at the 3 books which sbobitcoin is an agent for.
But the history of internet gambling is a history in many cases of people having their deposits stolen.

Transparency is needed, the more the better.

Gogo - Not directed at me but BetPanAm, Aces Gold, Cascade. BetonSports. WSEX. Legends. Books that SBR had rated "A" and "B" at one time. These are books that were highly transparent that ran away with our funds. There is very little information on almost all of the bitcoin books.

Yes, a good place can eventually go bad.

This is no excuse for not verifying claims made on a website, and instead simply cutting and pasting them into your "review".

[ZendiMOREN]

I am rating for Coinbet.CC , not just because i am advertising for them i actually do the research you can google them and find they are really a big company and legal .

[Gogo ppp]

http://spaces.covers.com/sbobitcoin

http://www.bookmakersforum.com/topic-tags/pinnacle-sports

Gogo - I'm not a rep for any of the books. It's better to ask them.

You want me to ask sbobitcoin.com where posters have posted about their experience using sbobitcoin.com?

You have continually mentioned that sbobitcoin.com has a strong presence on the forums.

I asked you several times if you can steer me to posts which users of sbobitcoin.com have made.

You then tell me you're not a rep for any of the books, and I should ask them.


Also, I ask you:

"When you refer to sbobitcoin's presence on forums - Are you referring to bettors who used them posting about the experience, or to Sbotbitcoin making posts about their own service?

If the former, where can I find those posts?"

And you respond with the typically incomprehensible "just posting."


It's unfortunate that this list of books is not being maintained by someone of at least average intelligence and with better than average communication skills.

[ZendiMOREN]

http://spaces.covers.com/sbobitcoin

http://www.bookmakersforum.com/topic-tags/pinnacle-sports

Gogo - I'm not a rep for any of the books. It's better to ask them.

You want me to ask sbobitcoin.com where posters have posted about their experience using sbobitcoin.com?

You have continually mentioned that sbobitcoin.com has a strong presence on the forums.

I asked you several times if you can steer me to posts which users of sbobitcoin.com have made.

You then tell me you're not a rep for any of the books, and I should ask them.


Also, I ask you:

"When you refer to sbobitcoin's presence on forums - Are you referring to bettors who used them posting about the experience, or to Sbotbitcoin making posts about their own service?

If the former, where can I find those posts?"

And you respond with the typically incomprehensible "just posting."


It's unfortunate that this list of books is not being maintained by someone of at least average intelligence and with better than average communication skills.

Just a thought came up when i saw this post , i have heard of sbobet on asia and they are the biggest illegal gambling which very active there .

[vennali]

I heard of it before , you can get a lot info at asianbookie.com

[quone17]

http://spaces.covers.com/sbobitcoin

http://www.bookmakersforum.com/topic-tags/pinnacle-sports

Gogo - I'm not a rep for any of the books. It's better to ask them.

You want me to ask sbobitcoin.com where posters have posted about their experience using sbobitcoin.com?

You have continually mentioned that sbobitcoin.com has a strong presence on the forums.

I asked you several times if you can steer me to posts which users of sbobitcoin.com have made.

You then tell me you're not a rep for any of the books, and I should ask them.


Also, I ask you:

"When you refer to sbobitcoin's presence on forums - Are you referring to bettors who used them posting about the experience, or to Sbotbitcoin making posts about their own service?

If the former, where can I find those posts?"

And you respond with the typically incomprehensible "just posting."


It's unfortunate that this list of books is not being maintained by someone of at least average intelligence and with better than average communication skills.

I also have really not heard much at all about sbobitcoin.com.  I can think of like 5 other books with a lot more presence on the forums.  Not giving anyone a hard time here, just stating my experience.

[Gogo ppp]

Just a thought came up when i saw this post , i have heard of sbobet on asia and they are the biggest illegal gambling which very active there .

SBOBet.com is a legitimate online sportsbook. I am not worried about them.

SBObitcoin.com is acting as an agent for SBOBet.com
Peeps Place has listed SBObitcoin.com as an "A" book in this list, despite the fact that they've only been in business for a few months and there are a number of questionable issues at the minute about claims made on their website which I'm trying to clear up.

[Gogo ppp]

I have 3 or 4 other reasons for doubting sbobitcoin.com, or at least questioning whether they are legitimate.
Another way to say this is that I am still uneasy about depositing funds there.

At this time, I am choosing not to mention those reasons.

I'm hoping instead I can get the questions answered satisfactorily which I asked Charlie Robert.

I would like to find a credible agent for those 3 books (or any single one of them).
At this point I don't feel secure that sbobitcoin.com is the agent I'm looking for, and I am seeking some reassurance.


I have found Peeps Place to be no help whatsoever in trying to investigate further, yet that should be one of the goals of a legitimate rating list.

[Rating Place]

http://spaces.covers.com/sbobitcoin

http://www.bookmakersforum.com/topic-tags/pinnacle-sports

Gogo - I'm not a rep for any of the books. It's better to ask them.

You want me to ask sbobitcoin.com where posters have posted about their experience using sbobitcoin.com?

You have continually mentioned that sbobitcoin.com has a strong presence on the forums.

I asked you several times if you can steer me to posts which users of sbobitcoin.com have made.

You then tell me you're not a rep for any of the books, and I should ask them.


Also, I ask you:

"When you refer to sbobitcoin's presence on forums - Are you referring to bettors who used them posting about the experience, or to Sbotbitcoin making posts about their own service?

If the former, where can I find those posts?"

And you respond with the typically incomprehensible "just posting."


It's unfortunate that this list of books is not being maintained by someone of at least average intelligence and with better than average communication skills.

I also have really not heard much at all about sbobitcoin.com.  I can think of like 5 other books with a lot more presence on the forums.  Not giving anyone a hard time here, just stating my experience.

I definitely don't take it as giving anyone a hard time. I got caught up looking like a lawyer for SBOBitcoin. They'll be downgraded if people have bad experiences with them.