#1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.

[goxcraft]

Any word on Jetwin? They offered me a good bonus with imrpoved T&C. Their website looks good and functional. Lines seem good for a bitcoinbook.

Had several withdrawals with them last month.  0.5-3 BTC, in 20-30 min.

[Bismarckbkk]

thx guy, ill try jetwin then

Their rules are iffy but after confronting them they offered me much better terms and promised to honor their side of the deal no matter what happens.

[Bismarckbkk]

@Peeps it really doesnt make sense to discredit dplay . Anoni confirmed the issue .

[Gogo ppp]

Never heard from Jetwin after the post I quote below:

BOOKMAKER (Jetwin): "Our bonus TC contain standard points which can be found in TC of a number of companies. Here are just a few examples from bookies with SBR rating A- & A+:..."
  



" bookmaker.eu: All bonuses must comply with a 4-time rollover requirement before any withdrawal is made. BookMaker reserves the right to modify or terminate this promotion at any time without prior notice."

Can you tell me where to find this info on their website?
I see nothing about bonuses - none offered, no info on rollover.
They only appear to offer BetPoints, a loyalty program.


"betonline.ag: Player agrees not to request a withdrawal prior to meeting all stipulations, including rollover requirements. Bonuses are for recreational players. BetOnline reserves the right to deny and/or cancel bonuses and/or winnings from said bonuses if management determines a player to be non-recreational, an arbitrage bettor, a scalper, or part of a syndicate - without further explanation. BetOnline reserves the right to take away any bonus at any time without explanation."

BetOnline does have the above copy mixed into their terms.

It also states under the "Bonus" rules:



"12. Players that accept a bonus and do not wager any portion of the bonus, may request a withdrawal and have the bonus removed from their account."


However, I see no rules for what qualifies for rollover in the "Bonus" section of their rules.

In the "Freeplay" rules, it does give some guidelines:

 "Free Plays can only be wagered on:

    FOOTBALL (NFL / NCAA / CFL / ARENA)
    BASKETBALL (NBA / NCAA / WNBA)
    MLB Major League Baseball
    NHL
    CRICKET
    SOCCER
    BOXING
    UFC (MIXED MARTIAL ARTS)
    TENNIS

    Free Plays can be used only in the Sportsbook on straight bets, parlays and teasers (no round robins).
    No point-buying is allowed.
    Free Plays lose when a push or tie results."
__________________________________________________________

"When calculating “rollover”, we use the lower of the risk/reward value as the effective value. For example, if you bet $500 on Team A to win $450, and you bet $400 on Team B to win $350, and you bet $250 on Team C to win $50, the total action applied toward fulfilling the rollover requirement would be $850 ($450 + $350 + $50)."
_______________________________________________________________________________ ___________


Contrast this to your rules - You will only count up to $75 per bet toward rollover; you don't count the lower of risk/reward of a bet but instead only accept bets with certain odds, etc.

Also, if I'm reading this correctly - the customer must bet the entire bonus amount in one single parlay bet,  at least once , with additional requirements as to the odds that can be offered and simultaneous start times for the events parlayed.
Congratulations on coming up with the most onerous condition I've ever seen for a rollover!

I've never seen rules anywhere close to as difficult as yours are for completing a rollover.
Can you find another book with similar rules?
Is there any book in the Universe which requires the entire bonus amount to be wagered in one parlay?
But that's not enough for you - you then require only certain odds, and simultaneous start times for at least 2 of the events.

As you are well aware, the player is a favorite to lose the parlay and thus the entire bonus amount in that one bet.
But they are then committed to your book for the rollover, locking them in for a long time with your $75 rollover limit.
Ridiculous.


I'd also like to point out that your handle "BOOKMAKER" rather than "Jetwin" is confusing, since as you know there is a reputable online sportsbook named "Bookmaker".

It sounds from Bismarckbkk's post that Jetwin never changed their T&C, even though Jetwin ("BOOKMAKER") had posted "Some points indeed contain rather one-sided information and will be reconsidered during this week."
-  but that Bismarckbkk individually negotiated some less onerous terms.

[Gogo ppp]

Info@Anonibet - [Re: statement in T&C that withdrawing without 1x play through will be charged 5%]

"Dear Gogo ppp,

Thank you for your comment. As I have already explained, we do not want to become a safe box. We have never applied this rule so far. I do not understand why this disturbs you..."




Michael - Since you said you don't understand...


I leave a few coins in various books that I feel comfortable with, in case I find a bet I would like to make in the future and can save time this way.

I would feel comfortable doing this with Anonibet, except I don't want to be charged 5% if I decide to withdraw (a few coins). Part of the positives of bitcoins is they can be moved for a few pennies, not 5%.

So it makes me uncomfortable for that reason. Yours is the only book where I see that charge.
If I leave 4 coins valued at ~$500 usd each it will cost me $100 if you change your mind/someone other than you applies the charge, etc.

You say the charge has never been applied.
But then, as I asked, why not remove the language, and give individual warnings that you will apply the 5% charge in the future to people you feel are using Anonibet as a safe box.

So this is why it disturbs me and why I mentioned it for a 2nd time.

OK I see your point now. You might be right, we shall remove it from our T&C.

We have set this rule in order to prevent large amounts of BTC kept in Anonibet. Bitcoin is very attractive for hackers and we do not want to attract "bad guys" thinking we keep large amounts of BTC. This was the only purpose really. We do not even charge withdraw fees, we pay the network fee at each withdraw so that our customers receive the exact amount they have withdrawn from Anonibet.

Regards,
Michael

The above re: the following in Anonibet's T&C:
"2.02
In order to withdraw funds from your account, you are required to place bets as much as the amount deposited. If you make a withdrawal request without placing bets 5% handling fee shall be deducted from the amount you have requested."


Michael - "OK I see your point now. You might be right, we shall remove it from our T&C."


Peeps Place - "Nice work by both gogo and Anonibet working together. It's good to see a book take our opinions seriously."


Yet I notice it is still there 9 days later. Perhaps you forgot to remove it?

Anonibet - What is happening with the above situation?
Did you decide not to remove the 5% charge for withdrawing without rolling over a deposit one time?

[info@anonibet.com]

Info@Anonibet - [Re: statement in T&C that withdrawing without 1x play through will be charged 5%]

"Dear Gogo ppp,

Thank you for your comment. As I have already explained, we do not want to become a safe box. We have never applied this rule so far. I do not understand why this disturbs you..."




Michael - Since you said you don't understand...


I leave a few coins in various books that I feel comfortable with, in case I find a bet I would like to make in the future and can save time this way.

I would feel comfortable doing this with Anonibet, except I don't want to be charged 5% if I decide to withdraw (a few coins). Part of the positives of bitcoins is they can be moved for a few pennies, not 5%.

So it makes me uncomfortable for that reason. Yours is the only book where I see that charge.
If I leave 4 coins valued at ~$500 usd each it will cost me $100 if you change your mind/someone other than you applies the charge, etc.

You say the charge has never been applied.
But then, as I asked, why not remove the language, and give individual warnings that you will apply the 5% charge in the future to people you feel are using Anonibet as a safe box.

So this is why it disturbs me and why I mentioned it for a 2nd time.

OK I see your point now. You might be right, we shall remove it from our T&C.

We have set this rule in order to prevent large amounts of BTC kept in Anonibet. Bitcoin is very attractive for hackers and we do not want to attract "bad guys" thinking we keep large amounts of BTC. This was the only purpose really. We do not even charge withdraw fees, we pay the network fee at each withdraw so that our customers receive the exact amount they have withdrawn from Anonibet.

Regards,
Michael

The above re: the following in Anonibet's T&C:
"2.02
In order to withdraw funds from your account, you are required to place bets as much as the amount deposited. If you make a withdrawal request without placing bets 5% handling fee shall be deducted from the amount you have requested."


Michael - "OK I see your point now. You might be right, we shall remove it from our T&C."


Peeps Place - "Nice work by both gogo and Anonibet working together. It's good to see a book take our opinions seriously."


Yet I notice it is still there 9 days later. Perhaps you forgot to remove it?

Anonibet - What is happening with the above situation?
Did you decide not to remove the 5% charge for withdrawing without rolling over a deposit one time?

Hi Gogo,

We will remove this %5 from our T&C. I have requested from our IT team to remove it. They will certainly do it this week.

[Rating Place]

@Peeps it really doesnt make sense to discredit dplay . Anoni confirmed the issue .

I'm not trying to discredit the poster. I also don't want to present a haphazard case to the forum. I'll look at the time that the bet was placed along with the market price. Then it will be presented to the forum along with any other facts that may be relevant.

The forum will then make a decision. Ratings are determined by decisions of the posters. Peeps Place is in a no win situation if we side with the player or book. We are either accused of being on the take or extortion. The players can post their opinions.

[BOOKMAKER]

It sounds from Bismarckbkk's post that Jetwin never changed their T&C, even though Jetwin ("BOOKMAKER") had posted "Some points indeed contain rather one-sided information and will be reconsidered during this week."
-  but that Bismarckbkk individually negotiated some less onerous terms.

Updated T&Cs will be published in the next few days.

[Rating Place]

DirectBet - I'm not going to change the ratings here based upon my personal opinion. If you do come in here bashing another book, then I will go in your thread with my personal thoughts on your book. This includes credibility among many other things. I think it's only fair since you are using your thread to discredit PeepsPlace.

[Bismarckbkk]

Okay anoni should be a C book because they are so far behind the state of art that they cant be rated any higher. Im not demanding they be downgraded, just stating my opinion for the record.

[darthcoin]

imo NS should be graded as an A book rather than Anoni as although it's older NS already proved trustworthiness and solved all users issues that surfaced promptly.

[Rating Place]

If someone knows how to get a line history on 4/19 match between Olympique Lyon - Paris St. German , France Coupe de la Ligue, can you PM it to me. I use Sports Options and it doesn't have it. I'm looking for what the line was during all of 4/15. Thanks

[Gogo ppp]

I'm repeating some comments from a post of mine from a month ago to the btc books, as there are new bitcoin books reading this thread, and some of the others may have missed it:


A few comments:


1) Sportsbooks - This is 2014, not 2004.

Bettors all over the world are familiar with handicaps, whether they call them pointspreads or Asian handicaps.
For that matter, some of the books like SBOBet and IBC don't even offer moneylines, they only offer Asian hc's.

I come across so many sports at btc books where they'll have up a moneyline but no pointspread/Asian hc.

If it's offered with a handicap at some other books, then why not offer it with a handicap at your book?




2) Motorsports is a horribly underrepresented category.

How about F1, and be sure to include props -  Podium Finish, Top 6 Finish, Points Finish, Fastest Lap - at minimum.

And Nascar is barely existent in btc sportsbook land, even though a great deal of the people in this forum appear to be USA based.
A huge market that is being overlooked needlessly.

Offer Nascar beginning early in the week and up till the race, and you will see a lot of business on this (as long as your odds are fair).

[Rating Place]

DirectBet has been making changes and their pre game lines are becoming competitive.

In response to your feedback we have significantly increased the odds across the board for most of our bets, especially pre-game.

[Webetcoins]

If someone knows how to get a line history on 4/19 match between Olympique Lyon - Paris St. German , France Coupe de la Ligue, can you PM it to me. I use Sports Options and it doesn't have it. I'm looking for what the line was during all of 4/15. Thanks

What is the sport / Team name you are after. It is probably in the webetcoins.com database ; can probably retrieve it for you

[Rating Place]

If someone knows how to get a line history on 4/19 match between Olympique Lyon - Paris St. German , France Coupe de la Ligue, can you PM it to me. I use Sports Options and it doesn't have it. I'm looking for what the line was during all of 4/15. Thanks

What is the sport / Team name you are after. It is probably in the webetcoins.com database ; can probably retrieve it for you

PM sent. I was looking for the line at the time that the player placed his bet on this soccer wager. Thank You

[Rating Place]

Player states that he's not being paid by Bitbet (unrated). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=598409.0

I deposited .10 BTC on bitbet.com, requested a cashout for roughly the same as was deposited, and have not received any kind of payout. Despite multiple status inquiries, I have not received any contact or payout. A transcript of a chat session is copied below. Keep in mind, this is a cashout of .10 BTC - we're not talking a lot. If they can't handle .10 BTC...

Given the delay, the multiple inquires that turned up flat, what reasonable person could read the below, and feel confident they were dealing with an honest company?

Chris: BITBET.COM CHAT REQUEST Hello. I am for the 3rd time requesting status of cashout request for ID BITXXXXXXX. Thanks

You are now speaking with Carolina of Payouts Questions.

Chris: hello.

Carolina: Hi Chris!
Chris: hows your day going?

Carolina: Good Chris! Thanks for asking!
Chris: i requested a cashout a week ago, perhaps longer now. i thought the expected wait was to be around 24 hours. im just concerned. reading a lot of negative stuff, and this being my first cashout attempt, you kind of want that to go smoothly to build up trust.

Carolina: Ok sir let me check
Carolina: Ok Chris
, I passed your information to my supervisor, and she goes to commission for resolving.
Just be ready to have your information, we will be sending a confirmation.
We will give you as soon as possible the payout.

Chris: is there an explanation for the delay?

Chris: and i don't understand why i would not receive any kind of confirmation to my email immediately upon requesting the cashout

Carolina: Yes sir,
we have delays with Bitcoins, but we will prioritize you to have the information as soon as possible

Chris: What am i confirming in the confirmation?

Chris: or are you confirming my cashout?

Carolina: That
has already processed your payout

Chris: i see. so, everyone lately has been experiencing delays due to issues with bitcoins?

Carolina: There are enough in the process
Chris: ok. thanks for your time. i hope to see a successful cashout so that trust is established. as of now, im still worried.

Carolina: Your welcome sir
Carolina: Have a good day!

[DirectBet]

I would suggest you offer competitive odds with  lower  limits, and raise the limits later.

Thanks for your suggestion Gogo.

In response to your feedback we have significantly increased the odds across the board for most of our bets, especially pre-game.

You will now find that for many bets our odds are the greatest among all other Bitcoin Sportbooks.

In order to provide you with greater odds, we had to reduce the maximum amount that can be wagered at once for some bets, but we are still accepting relatively large bets.

Those of you who are interested in placing larger bets may still be able to do so at slightly reduced odds, as explained in more details here :
http://www.directbet.eu/FAQ.cshtml#MaxBet

When comparing our odds, keep in mind that we offer the most rewarding VIP program in the industry, where you can earn up to 10 BTC in bonuses every month, so essentially, when you bet frequently at DirectBet the odds that you are getting are actually higher than the quoted odds.

Thanks again for your feedback, please continue to let us know where we can improve.

[Rating Place]

New broker opened. Evolvebets is similar to SBOBitcoin.

Books include SBOBet, IBCbet and TBSBET.

[Rating Place]

DirectBet - The default goes to

Flexible Odds. Recommended In-Play. Confirm bet at the best available odds by the time the bet transfer is received. Odds might be higher or lower than current quoted odds.

My personal opinion is that the default should be firm odds. Most that play live aren't use to being able to receive worse odds.

Every time I go in to make a new bet it switches to flexible odds. That's blind betting.