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Author Topic: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.  (Read 89552 times)
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July 12, 2014, 10:01:25 PM
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The last book to ask posters for investments was Bit365. They went under. Bitcoinlivebets takes investments from posters.

Betting and/or "investing" at a sportsbook which seeks investors requires that one be brain dead to do this.

It's an obvious Ponzi. They need the "investments" to keep going. Why would a profitable enterprise ask bettors for investing and therefore giving away some of their profits?

Essentially, someone who "invests" in the book, and then bets there, is having their bets booked with their own money backing it up.
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July 12, 2014, 11:21:58 PM
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I tell Peepsplace.com that they shouldn't bet at DirectBet because they do not want to guess on the line that they are getting. I've been betting with these guys for a decade. They want firm bets and want to know the line they are getting at the time of their bet.

We do offer an advanced feature for advanced users. It is called "Negotiate Odds". You can use it to set the minimum required odds. You don't have to guess what the odds would be. You can also use it to deposit first and get immediate bet confirmation just like you can in a regular deposit book.

Another advantage of DirectBet, which you will not find in most other Bitcoin Sportbooks, is that if the odds increases while your bet is being processed, the bet will be confirmed at the higher odds instead of the ordered odds. In the long run, that's a lot of extra Bitcoins in your pocket.

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Your software has problems.

I don't know what you're talking about. If we discover a problem we fix it on the same day. There are currently no known bugs.

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Why are you crying about what I say at peepsplace.com?

Because you downgraded us and told your followers "I wouldn't play at this shop" but in fact you continued to bet frequently at DirectBet.

A dishonest person like yourself who flat out lies to his followers in order to earn some BTC does not have the credibility to rate Bitcoin Sportsbooks.

We are calling all players and books alike to raise their voice.

Please take a moment to vote in the poll on our thread :

Do you think that Peeps Place has the creditability to rate Bitcoin Sportbooks, given that those he rates the highest are paying him to advertise and promote them ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.0

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You keep posting a image of what I post at peepsplace. It has nothing to do with Bitcointalk. It's strictly a personal opinion.

No it's not. It's a mirror for the paid ratings guide here.

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Your live betting is unplayable because of the hold and software flaw.


This is another example of how much you are biased towards the books that pay you and why you should not be rating books. Our live bets odds, on average, are higher than the ones offered by your top rated book. Number 2 in your list doesn't even offer live betting.

Furthermore, DirectBet offers the most comprehensive live coverage among Bitcoin Sportbooks.

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July 13, 2014, 10:29:15 AM
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I really enjoying convesation between Peeps and Direct.
But I agree only old book will get top ranking is not good, it's doesn't matter if I start book in 2010 and don't have better feature from others so how I will get top ranking.

You must set critirea for ranking and put here. Saying this that atleast 3 year old book will be A ranking will not solve issue.

Make 5-6 points critirea for ranking after that I don't care which book will be on top.

I played in both Anoni and Direct, Both have their pro and cons.


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July 13, 2014, 11:21:20 AM
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But I agree only old book will get top ranking is not good, it's doesn't matter if I start book in 2010 and don't have better feature from others so how I will get top ranking.

You must set critirea for ranking and put here. Saying this that atleast 3 year old book will be A ranking will not solve issue.

At the beginning, when this ratings thread started, there was a list of criteria that was used to determine the rating of each sportsbook. We were given a rating of B and Anonibet were the top rated sportsbook with a rating of A.

I went over the list of criteria, one by one, and proved that in each and every category we are as good or better than Anonibet. And so I honestly asked Peeps why we are rated lower ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6137493#msg6137493

Peeps realized that I'm right but wanted to keep Anonibet isolated on top because they pay him to promote them in forums and we don't, so just a few hours later he trashed the initial criteria and instead decided to rank books based on opening date.

We don't need a ratings guide for that !

Just make a list of all legitimate Bitcoin Sportbooks and sort them by opening date and viola ! you've got a list identical to the one Peeps has made without 60 pages of discussion !


It doesn't matter how long the book is in business. All that matters is what practices they are taking to protect users funds.

Bitbook was considered by many the most trusted Bitcoin sportsbook, it was their slogan and they never failed to pay a winning bet. Yet one day they too disappeared without paying all their customers.

You might argue that the more time the book is in business, the less chance there is for them to disappear. But on the other hand, the more time the book is in business, the more customers they have, the more deposits they hold, the more incentive for them to steal it and disappear.

Take for example Full Tilt Poker. They were the second largest on-line poker room for a decade, endorsed by dozens of top players, you would have rated them AAA+++ and players felt confident to keep there millions, yet they too stole hundreds of millions dollars from players deposits and had Poker Stars not buy them out, most of that money would have been gone. Same for Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker, all top on-line poker rooms at the time with the exception Poker Stars.

If security is your concern, for rating purposes, you should dig deeper into what is done to protect users funds.

For your Bitcoins to be safe in a sportsbook account, the sportsbook needs to store all user-owned Bitcoins (deposits and winnings) in a separate account from the account used to pay for their daily operations, in a similar way that Poker Stars is doing for its Poker players. In addition, it needs to make sure that there is always more than enough funds in the segregated account to cover all user balances in the event that everyone will want to withdrawal their entire balances at the same time.

Furthermore, they need to prove that they control the Bitcoins in the segregated account, and allow an independent 3rd party to audit it at any time.

Finally, they need to demonstrate that access to the cold storage of Bitcoins is not limited to one or two persons, otherwise, in the unfortunate event that something terrible happens to them, the Bitcoins will be gone. For this reason, the sportsbooks need to provide a 3rd independent and trusted escrow service with an access to the segregated Bitcoins that are used to cover user balances, and an authorization to distribute them to their owners in unfortunate circumstances.

To the best of my knowledge, none of the Bitcoin sportsbooks follow this practice or a similar one, and therefore your Bitcoins are not safe in any of them, regardless of how long they are in business.

Stating that they have the Bitcoins in a cold storage is meaningless. They need to prove it, they need to allow an independent 3rd party to audit it at any time, and they need to show how you will get your Bitcoins in the unfortunate event that the people in control of it die.

Recently, there have been many Bitcoin sportsbooks that disappeared with all user balances. Unfortunately, as history has learned us, this will continue as long as there is no true protection to the users, similar to the one provided by Poker Stars in the poker industry.

Why DirectBet is the safest Bitcoin Sportsbook ?

We are the safest Bitcoin sportsbook for the simple reason that we do not take deposits and keep hold of your valuable Bitcoins, except during the lifetime of the bet and only the amount that you elected to bet. This period of time is kept to the minimum thanks to the fact that we settle all bets within an hour. Your Bitcoins are kept safe in your wallet under your control at all other times.

We are different than other Bitcoin sportbooks, who take deposits and keep hold of your Bitcoins for no good reason. By doing so, your Bitcoins are left vulnerable to theft or loss, and there is always the risk that the sportsbook will disappear, taking your Bitcoins along the way, or spend them on their operational costs, or use them to pay winning players, essentially turning into a Ponzi scheme, or otherwise prevent you from withdrawing for various dishonest reasons, as happened countless of times in the past.

In fact, to date, there hasn't been a single Bitcoin sportsbook that we are aware of, which ceased operation gracefylly and honored all withdrawal requests.

Currently, none of the other Bitcoin sportbooks take the necessary steps to truly protect deposits in a similar way that Poker Stars is doing in the on-line Poker industry for its Poker players, and therefore your Bitcoins are not safe in any of them, regardless of their opening date.

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July 13, 2014, 06:06:13 PM
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peeps, Your work on rating is an important one.

I do however see that there is room for improvement in the standards by which you rate the books -

the period of time being in business is important but consider this:

If one betting site has superior technology or more features it should be rated higher.

for example, xbet.io are in business for over a month now and they are using an escrow technology that makes them the most honest book in existance. even if they want to take money from their bettors they can't do it.

you are not even rating xbet.io which is a shame.
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July 13, 2014, 10:00:42 PM
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peeps, Your work on rating is an important one.

I do however see that there is room for improvement in the standards by which you rate the books -

the period of time being in business is important but consider this:

If one betting site has superior technology or more features it should be rated higher.

for example, xbet.io are in business for over a month now and they are using an escrow technology that makes them the most honest book in existance. even if they want to take money from their bettors they can't do it.

you are not even rating xbet.io which is a shame.

Thanks mybtclove. I'll look into them. Is anyone playing at xbet at this time? Need some more feedback.

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July 14, 2014, 03:36:53 AM
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peeps, Your work on rating is an important one.

I do however see that there is room for improvement in the standards by which you rate the books -

the period of time being in business is important but consider this:

If one betting site has superior technology or more features it should be rated higher.

for example, xbet.io are in business for over a month now and they are using an escrow technology that makes them the most honest book in existance. even if they want to take money from their bettors they can't do it.

you are not even rating xbet.io which is a shame.

Thanks mybtclove. I'll look into them. Is anyone playing at xbet at this time? Need some more feedback.

FYI Peeps xbet is plagued by shill accounts - check out his post history; there's about 3 of them (that I've seen) crawling around the forum, last time I checked out xbet their site was down so I couldn't test but I am pretty annoyed at the obvious shilling.
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July 14, 2014, 03:45:52 AM
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peeps, Your work on rating is an important one.

I do however see that there is room for improvement in the standards by which you rate the books -

the period of time being in business is important but consider this:

If one betting site has superior technology or more features it should be rated higher.

for example, xbet.io are in business for over a month now and they are using an escrow technology that makes them the most honest book in existance. even if they want to take money from their bettors they can't do it.

you are not even rating xbet.io which is a shame.

Thanks mybtclove. I'll look into them. Is anyone playing at xbet at this time? Need some more feedback.

FYI Peeps xbet is plagued by shill accounts - check out his post history; there's about 3 of them (that I've seen) crawling around the forum, last time I checked out xbet their site was down so I couldn't test but I am pretty annoyed at the obvious shilling.
Thank you. That's appreciated.

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July 14, 2014, 05:39:21 PM
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peeps, Your work on rating is an important one.

I do however see that there is room for improvement in the standards by which you rate the books -

the period of time being in business is important but consider this:

If one betting site has superior technology or more features it should be rated higher.

for example, xbet.io are in business for over a month now and they are using an escrow technology that makes them the most honest book in existance. even if they want to take money from their bettors they can't do it.

you are not even rating xbet.io which is a shame.

Thanks mybtclove. I'll look into them. Is anyone playing at xbet at this time? Need some more feedback.

FYI Peeps xbet is plagued by shill accounts - check out his post history; there's about 3 of them (that I've seen) crawling around the forum, last time I checked out xbet their site was down so I couldn't test but I am pretty annoyed at the obvious shilling.

Their World Cup markets are still up and they have literally 2 sports, looks like a one-man job. These kind of operations should have no place competing with the professional sportsbooks out there today.

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July 14, 2014, 05:45:32 PM
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FYI - Just wanted to chime in today to say we are supporting wagers on the homerun derby tonight!

https://www.casinobitco.in/bet-sports-homerun-derby

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July 14, 2014, 05:47:10 PM
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peeps, Your work on rating is an important one.

I do however see that there is room for improvement in the standards by which you rate the books -

the period of time being in business is important but consider this:

If one betting site has superior technology or more features it should be rated higher.

for example, xbet.io are in business for over a month now and they are using an escrow technology that makes them the most honest book in existance. even if they want to take money from their bettors they can't do it.

you are not even rating xbet.io which is a shame.

Thanks mybtclove. I'll look into them. Is anyone playing at xbet at this time? Need some more feedback.

FYI Peeps xbet is plagued by shill accounts - check out his post history; there's about 3 of them (that I've seen) crawling around the forum, last time I checked out xbet their site was down so I couldn't test but I am pretty annoyed at the obvious shilling.

Their World Cup markets are still up and they have literally 2 sports, looks like a one-man job. These kind of operations should have no place competing with the professional sportsbooks out there today.
You make a good point in that these one man shops should not be rated with the professional shops.

Players - Is anyone playing with BetVIP? They have met the time requirement for an upgrade but feedback is definitely wanted before making any upgrades.

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July 15, 2014, 05:36:16 PM
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Be careful of the one and two man shops. The book either gets a bigger staff in a fairly short period of time and survives or goes under like the other one man shops such as Stakebet, Bit365 and Bitbook.

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July 15, 2014, 05:52:32 PM
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July 15, 2014, 10:39:27 PM
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DirectBet- What you say are lies.

I only presents the facts. I invite everyone to read the archive of this thread and see for themselves :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6137493#msg6137493

I honestly asked you why were we rated lower than Anonibet. You couldn't explain and a few hours later you changed the ratings criteria in order to downgrade us and shut us up.

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Yes and # 3 in Ryan's list is bitcoinlivebets.com, not far behind Anonibet.

You gave Anonibet A and bitcoinlivebets.com D-

How do you explain such a big difference between your ratings and the users ratings ?

There are two options :

1) The ratings in Ryan's thread is greatly influenced by shills accounts.

OR

2) bitcoinlivebets.com didn't pay you so you rated them D-

Which one is it ?

I have nothing against Ryan or his ratings so I try to stay away of any criticism since it's nice to have multiple rating guides.

bitcoinlivebets is a very shaky book. They have problems on almost a daily basis and automation is never fully working. Each person has different reasons for playing at a book. I think that bitcoinlivebets is at the top of the list of the next book to go under although I hope it's not the case.

Bitcoinlivebets' (D- rating) website is down.

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July 15, 2014, 10:42:57 PM
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Keep up the good work peeps!
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July 15, 2014, 10:44:09 PM
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Keep up the good work peeps!
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July 16, 2014, 07:26:00 AM
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... And how much BTC have we raised the past year with our offerings on Havelock and outside through VC?

The fact remains we've been operating for a full year, never missed any player payout or even been a hint of a scam like other sites that pop up and exit in months.. Knowing this very vocal community I can promise you if we didn't pay a user even fractions of a BTC, it would be plastered in many threads (including our own).... May I suggest you do further research and come back with a better informed opinion?

Regarding CasinoBitco.in, I applaud the transparency, but I have to say that I would never deposit at a book that has attracted a total player balance of ~$30k after being open for 14 months, and has yet to show the ability to make a profit as a sportsbook (ignoring casino PnL):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmSWZWkGJ1V3dFpxZHVTN0x6ZldUeHRteWdBd1pMNXc&usp=sharing#gid=16



Where did I say you weren't paying people out?  I said your net player deposits are tiny and you have not made a profit in booking sports over the last 14 months.  These are warning signs to me.   If you guys turn it around eventually and make it big, that's awesome.  But I wanted to give people a sense of the size and profitability of your operation, if that matters to them, as it does to me.
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July 16, 2014, 07:32:15 AM
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... And how much BTC have we raised the past year with our offerings on Havelock and outside through VC?

The fact remains we've been operating for a full year, never missed any player payout or even been a hint of a scam like other sites that pop up and exit in months.. Knowing this very vocal community I can promise you if we didn't pay a user even fractions of a BTC, it would be plastered in many threads (including our own).... May I suggest you do further research and come back with a better informed opinion?

Regarding CasinoBitco.in, I applaud the transparency, but I have to say that I would never deposit at a book that has attracted a total player balance of ~$30k after being open for 14 months, and has yet to show the ability to make a profit as a sportsbook (ignoring casino PnL):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmSWZWkGJ1V3dFpxZHVTN0x6ZldUeHRteWdBd1pMNXc&usp=sharing#gid=16



Where did I say you weren't paying people out?  I said your net player deposits are tiny and you have not made a profit in booking sports over the last 14 months.  These are warning signs to me.   If you guys turn it around eventually and make it big, that's awesome.  But I wanted to give people a sense of the size and profitability of your operation, if that matters to them, as it does to me.
All info matters. Keep the opinions and info coming in.

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July 16, 2014, 09:33:23 AM
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I really enjoying convesation between Peeps and Direct.
But I agree only old book will get top ranking is not good, it's doesn't matter if I start book in 2010 and don't have better feature from others so how I will get top ranking.

You must set critirea for ranking and put here. Saying this that atleast 3 year old book will be A ranking will not solve issue.

Make 5-6 points critirea for ranking after that I don't care which book will be on top.

I played in both Anoni and Direct, Both have their pro and cons.



Hey Peeps,

You did not reply here,

Now another problem in Anonibet, People acussing them with proof they were playing themselves  in contest too.
Still Anonibet in top place, don't deserve after so many problem.

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