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Author Topic: [ANN] [MINT] Mintcoin (POS / 5%) [NO ICO] [Fair distro, community maintained]  (Read 1278894 times)
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April 02, 2014, 06:28:19 PM
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I've just noticed something while going over the block chain.

First of all, the attack was really just from 203231 to 203405 before it started to be interrupted by even more PoS blocks:
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203233&count=50
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203433&count=50


Secondly, even within this period, there are still some PoS blocks that occur:
http://i.imgur.com/LydCerH.png

Most importantly of all. Through the ENTIRE attack period, not a single transaction was confirmed by one of the PoW blocks (aside from the PoW blocks producing their 1 MINT). The only transaction confirmations were done by the few PoS blocks which interrupted. How is this possible? There are way, way more PoW blocks, but none of them confirmed transactions over an entire hour? Is that because PoW blocks cannot confirm transaction during this "attack"? If so, then this "attack" cannot be used to double spend or do any real damage. Right?
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April 02, 2014, 06:32:58 PM
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So stormia,

are you saying that this statement:
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Mint attack 51% of POW part was successful no POS block was generated during test attack.

is demonstrably untrue?  Cheesy
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April 02, 2014, 06:35:08 PM
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I've just noticed something while going over the block chain.

First of all, the attack was really just from 203231 to 203405 before it started to be interrupted by even more PoS blocks:
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203233&count=50
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203433&count=50


Secondly, even within this period, there are still some PoS blocks that occur:
http://i.imgur.com/LydCerH.png

Most importantly of all. Through the ENTIRE attack period, not a single transaction was confirmed by one of the PoW blocks (aside from the PoW blocks producing their 1 MINT). The only transaction confirmations were done by the few PoS blocks which interrupted. How is this possible? There are way, way more PoW blocks, but none of them confirmed transactions over an entire hour? Is that because PoW blocks cannot confirm transaction during this "attack"? If so, then this "attack" cannot be used to double spend or do any real damage. Right?

Yes. exactly
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April 02, 2014, 06:35:21 PM
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So stormia,

are you saying that this statement:
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Mint attack 51% of POW part was successful no POS block was generated during test attack.

is demonstrably untrue?  Cheesy

Yes, but I urge people to have a look themselves. Even more importantly it doesn't seem to matter that they were in control of PoW because PoW was not allowed to do any transaction confirmations. The PoS blocks had to interrupt in order to confirm a transaction.
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April 02, 2014, 06:38:20 PM
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I've just noticed something while going over the block chain.

First of all, the attack was really just from 203231 to 203405 before it started to be interrupted by even more PoS blocks:
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203233&count=50
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203433&count=50


Secondly, even within this period, there are still some PoS blocks that occur:
http://i.imgur.com/LydCerH.png

Most importantly of all. Through the ENTIRE attack period, not a single transaction was confirmed by one of the PoW blocks (aside from the PoW blocks producing their 1 MINT). The only transaction confirmations were done by the few PoS blocks which interrupted. How is this possible? There are way, way more PoW blocks, but none of them confirmed transactions over an entire hour? Is that because PoW blocks cannot confirm transaction during this "attack"? If so, then this "attack" cannot be used to double spend or do any real damage. Right?

So it's even worse than we thought. The entire network was frozen with no confirmations, and that was only carried out by the first stage of the attack.

Game over.

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April 02, 2014, 06:38:31 PM
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Any news on MINT being added to https://www.vaultofsatoshi.com/?

That should put some wind in the sails.
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April 02, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
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I've just noticed something while going over the block chain.

First of all, the attack was really just from 203231 to 203405 before it started to be interrupted by even more PoS blocks:
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203233&count=50
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203433&count=50


Secondly, even within this period, there are still some PoS blocks that occur:
http://i.imgur.com/LydCerH.png

Most importantly of all. Through the ENTIRE attack period, not a single transaction was confirmed by one of the PoW blocks (aside from the PoW blocks producing their 1 MINT). The only transaction confirmations were done by the few PoS blocks which interrupted. How is this possible? There are way, way more PoW blocks, but none of them confirmed transactions over an entire hour? Is that because PoW blocks cannot confirm transaction during this "attack"? If so, then this "attack" cannot be used to double spend or do any real damage. Right?

So it's even worse than we thought. The entire network was frozen with no confirmations, and that was only carried out by the first stage of the attack.

Game over.

Nice try, but no that is not what that means. As you can see, PoS blocks interrupted the attack to perform transactions. You should stop saying things about this mr_random, even if what you said holds any truth everybody knows you have and always will be a troll on this thread. Leave the discussion to the reputable and respectable blackcoin representatives.
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April 02, 2014, 06:39:58 PM
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I've just noticed something while going over the block chain.

First of all, the attack was really just from 203231 to 203405 before it started to be interrupted by even more PoS blocks:
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203233&count=50
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203433&count=50


Secondly, even within this period, there are still some PoS blocks that occur:
http://i.imgur.com/LydCerH.png

Most importantly of all. Through the ENTIRE attack period, not a single transaction was confirmed by one of the PoW blocks (aside from the PoW blocks producing their 1 MINT). The only transaction confirmations were done by the few PoS blocks which interrupted. How is this possible? There are way, way more PoW blocks, but none of them confirmed transactions over an entire hour? Is that because PoW blocks cannot confirm transaction during this "attack"? If so, then this "attack" cannot be used to double spend or do any real damage. Right?

Yes. exactly

Really.. REALLY?

You highlighted two blocks.

http://mint.blockx.info/get/block/000006947fae36e3330c38ecfe55097c1da496f0c8f3e4a4f08543aed1227253
http://mint.blockx.info/get/block/000001cf24011a61e757be862418390dc7a6c1d20d3cf3798ffb5ae15f9c9ba5

Those two blocks. They are Proof of Work blocks. And both look like they processed transactions FROM <address> TO <another address>.

You're not technical at all, right?

Nice investigation.
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April 02, 2014, 06:40:47 PM
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I've just noticed something while going over the block chain.

First of all, the attack was really just from 203231 to 203405 before it started to be interrupted by even more PoS blocks:
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203233&count=50
http://mintcoin-explorer.info/chain/MintCoin?hi=203433&count=50


Secondly, even within this period, there are still some PoS blocks that occur:
http://i.imgur.com/LydCerH.png

Most importantly of all. Through the ENTIRE attack period, not a single transaction was confirmed by one of the PoW blocks (aside from the PoW blocks producing their 1 MINT). The only transaction confirmations were done by the few PoS blocks which interrupted. How is this possible? There are way, way more PoW blocks, but none of them confirmed transactions over an entire hour? Is that because PoW blocks cannot confirm transaction during this "attack"? If so, then this "attack" cannot be used to double spend or do any real damage. Right?

Yes. exactly

Really.. REALLY?

You highlighted two blocks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post;quote=6038733;topic=450381.12160;num_replies=12167;sesc=89773dc9628728cdc1757a687dcc555f
http://mint.blockx.info/get/block/000001cf24011a61e757be862418390dc7a6c1d20d3cf3798ffb5ae15f9c9ba5

Those two blocks. They are Proof of Work blocks. And both look like they processed transactions FROM <address> TO <another address>.

You're not techincal at all, right?

Nice investigation.

Thanks for catching my mistake, just trying to figure this out
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April 02, 2014, 06:42:07 PM
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I hope this gets fixed, is all. I have a lot of mint.
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April 02, 2014, 06:45:09 PM
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ok guys here are all the blackcoin liars
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April 02, 2014, 06:45:17 PM
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you guys are really shooting yourselves in the foot with this crap, look at how far blackcoins price has dropped since you started doing this

I suggest you get the attack underway before it hits zero
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April 02, 2014, 06:46:02 PM
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remember to like our facebook page
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April 02, 2014, 06:46:59 PM
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We are here trying to help. Is all. There is a SERIOUS error in the Mint code. What do u want? We are talking about an 1.5m market cap here, which can go void in an instant.

We're not joking here or promoting "our blackcoin".
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April 02, 2014, 06:47:53 PM
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Im still holding my last 10% of mint but I admit I have panic dumped some

any progress from the mint dev team yet?
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April 02, 2014, 06:47:58 PM
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The reason blackcoin is dropping is a few of them have a majority of all the coins and they had an agreement not to sell more than a certain amount but the thing is someone is selling alot more than they should be
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April 02, 2014, 06:48:08 PM
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We are here trying to help. Is all. There is a SERIOUS error in the Mint code. What do u want? We are talking about an 1.5m market cap here, which can go void in an instant.

We're not joking here or promoting "our blackcoin".

Well the best way to help is less talk and get the attack underway. So far it's been a lot of hot air. Enough of that.
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April 02, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
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some help please...

How long is it supposed to be to start minting and how often should i expect minting to happen? I thought it was 20 days and I've had my coins for 23 days, though i only have a bit over 90k mint.
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April 02, 2014, 06:50:02 PM
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The reason blackcoin is dropping is a few of them have a majority of all the coins and they had an agreement not to sell more than a certain amount but the thing is someone is selling alot more than they should be
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma
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April 02, 2014, 06:51:00 PM
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and while they are selling someone has to buy up a certain amount to stabilize price. It doesn't take a whole lot but still there isn't much honor among thieves and because this person is selling more than they should it is making the others pay more to maintain
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