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April 14, 2014, 07:16:08 PM
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Sorry if this has been stated in the thread, but I couldn't find anything...

Is there an IRC channel and does Ken ever frequent it? It would be great if he could do a Q&A session or something, especially with the shareholders divided about Havelock vs CT

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April 14, 2014, 07:50:14 PM
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I'm keen to learn about these 5000 chips (>2.5 PH/s) that are part of a deal with HashFast.

Does anyone know when ActiveMining is expected to receive them?   Can Ken tell us when they arrive, or are due?  It's one thing to have these on order and another all together to actually receive them.  Avalon let a lot of people down and I for one, will feel much happier about my investment when I know that these chips are in Ken's hands.  Hashfast are having issues and I am concerned this deal might not materialise.  Ken, can you offer any words of encouragement in this matter?  Thanks in advance.

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I'm keen to learn about these 5000 chips (>2.5 PH/s) that are part of a deal with HashFast.

Does anyone know when ActiveMining is expected to receive them?   Can Ken tell us when they arrive, or are due?  It's one thing to have these on order and another all together to actually receive them.  Avalon let a lot of people down and I for one, will feel much happier about my investment when I know that these chips are in Ken's hands.  Hashfast are having issues and I am concerned this deal might not materialise.  Ken, can you offer any words of encouragement in this matter?  Thanks in advance.



I seem to remember him saying that they could potentially be available by April. 

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Nevermind.. he references the 5000 boards to start building in April. I don't think he gave any timetable on when the chips were to arrive...

Good point. I second this question.


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Of course it is, this is our development board from hashfast.  We are in the process of tooling our production line to build 5,000 boards in April.

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April 14, 2014, 08:30:08 PM
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Ken keeps saying he's about to work on getting all our shares listed on CT, however is yet to actually do so.  He probably means well but is likely too busy on the data center and product deliveries to find the time.  It feels as though he should take on extra staff to me.  If he can't follow through on promises that he's made himself then he needs to rethink his PR strategy because it's sadly lacking even though he's made great strides in this area recently.  There's always room for improvement and I just wish he'd understand how important it is to follow through when you say you will do something, otherwise don't say it in the first place.
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April 14, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
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Ken, maybe you can hire someone to list our shares on either Havelock or CT if you are too busy. just a thought

Before your post gets eaten by the image macro slugs...

Investors have been beating the 'hire someone to do it manually' horse for some time. Also, Havelock apparently reached out to Ken and offered to do the verification for him.

I understand that he's busy.. but it has been waaay too long.


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I agree, it's hardly surprising that some shareholders believe that there might be an issue preventing Ken from listing our shares, such as lost data.  I don't think this is the case, but am left scratching my head as to what is up that he's making posts that say he's about to act, but seemingly doesn't.  If there's another Wednesday update where he states that he's about to work on the shares, then I see quite a backlash.  Shareholders' patience has worn thin on this issue and nothing less than positive action over words will do.
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April 14, 2014, 09:12:25 PM
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I just contacted Havelock about ActM getting listed on there site and this was there response.

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We would be happy to list Active Mining on our site. All Ken has to do is ask. There are no fees just to be listed.

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April 14, 2014, 09:13:59 PM
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Ken, maybe you can hire someone to list our shares on either Havelock or CT if you are too busy. just a thought

Before your post gets eaten by the image macro slugs...

Investors have been beating the 'hire someone to do it manually' horse for some time. Also, Havelock apparently reached out to Ken and offered to do the verification for him.

I understand that he's busy.. but it has been waaay too long.



I can only see two possible reasons behind this then

1. Ken is secretly holding our shares until the farm is fully up and running to boost the share price with small number of shares now in circulation and make everyone rich, or

2. Ken is holding the shares because he realizes everyone wants to sell and get out so it will bring the share price down dramatically.

so which one is it
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April 14, 2014, 09:15:17 PM
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Ken, maybe you can hire someone to list our shares on either Havelock or CT if you are too busy. just a thought

Before your post gets eaten by the image macro slugs...

Investors have been beating the 'hire someone to do it manually' horse for some time. Also, Havelock apparently reached out to Ken and offered to do the verification for him.

I understand that he's busy.. but it has been waaay too long.



I can only see two possible reasons behind this then

1. Ken is secretly holding our shares until the farm is fully up and running to boost the share price with small number of shares now in circulation and make everyone rich, or

2. Ken is holding the shares because he realizes everyone wants to sell and get out so it will bring the share price down dramatically.

so which one is it

Ken Listing the shares at 0.0005 shows that # 2 is not the case. There are definitely more than 2 possible reason btw.
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Great post WildFire!  Let's keep this going.  Without any doubt Havelock is the ONLY medium term answer to this share issue.  Shareholders are such because they own the shares they purchased, imo.   Right now, non of us are the owners of the shares we bought because we have no control over them.  Ken's 'promise' that made me invest was believing in his words.  Something like, "Make your shareholders successful and you will become successful".  The company is doing fine right now and hopefully will become a really significant payer in the space, so now is the time to let the loyal shareholders take control over their own investment decisions.
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April 14, 2014, 09:36:28 PM
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Where did Havelock say they'd import for him?  Have a link to that?

I'd be curious if AMC could get on Havelock simply because of the way Havelock investigates a company to make sure they are legit.  Given that Ken produces almost no information for shareholders and often gets things wrong all the time, I'm not sure he'd pass their checks and balances or at the very least give them the information they request of him in a timely manner.

Anyway, banging a drum over which exchange to use is meaningless until Ken gets the verification thing done.  I feel like I'm waiting for the sun to burn out before it'll happen, let alone when he then takes that information and puts it on an exchange.  The way it's going, Colored Coins release version 9 will be out by then. 

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April 14, 2014, 09:41:28 PM
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I vote Havelock.

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April 14, 2014, 09:46:38 PM
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I vote Havelock.

Seconded as long as there isn't an issue with MO securities office.

I'm hoping there isn't a reason more sinister than time mismanagement at play here.
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April 14, 2014, 09:49:05 PM
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Ok guys we all voted (Even though it means nothing; I love the dedication here).

@Ken

We would like an update on shares. Since we are not up yet, we can only assume there is an issue. Please tell us what the issue is (maybe we can remedy it).

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April 14, 2014, 10:09:24 PM
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The poll is up!  24 hour poll with results hidden until it finishes.  Please vote guys and get the message to Ken before the weekly update.   Smiley


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570888.0
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The poll is up!  24 hour poll with results hidden until it finishes.  Please vote guys and get the message to Ken before the weekly update.   Smiley


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570888.0

No thank you. No reason to Poll.

If Ken doesn't want to put us on Havelock that is his choice but we as shareholders have decided that we want Havelock. Hopefully he'll take it into consideration.

I rather not deal with a bunch of new troll accounts spamming the Crypto Trade.
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April 14, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
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Every reason to poll my friend.  Not every investor wants to or is willing to post and this allows them to have their say.  Let everyone have their voice and trust in the majority decision.  Ken might be surprised by the outcome, who knows.
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Every reason to poll my friend.  Not every investor wants to or is willing to post and this allows them to have their say.  Let everyone have their voice and trust in the majority decision.  Ken might be surprised by the outcome, who knows.

Let them state their case if they want us to be on Havelock or Cryptotrade, we already know that there is at least one person on this forum who seems to have the drive, determination, and patience to make new accounts just to incite confusion, arguments, and jerk themselves off with. This poll is only bait for them to cause more harm to the company (by spamming the worst possible option) that right now seems to be on it's last leg trying to rebound.

The poll is a waste of time, as stated before everyone wants Havelock except for a few New* accounts.

With this said, again, it is solely Ken's decision and the Poll only furthers us to waste our time arguing about it.

The main issue at the moment isn't what platform we are on with our shares, but getting our shares back at all. Ken has yet to prove that he is capable of this, all he has done is ordered chips and manufactured boards. Of course those are good things** but that does not mean that it instills all the trust he lost over the months of bad communication and lack of shares.

If there is some issue getting us our shares Ken, just please let us know.


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April 15, 2014, 12:41:59 AM
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JTK, I read your post and really am in agreement with what you're saying, however I'll tell you why this poll is not a waste of time.

Here is my idea;

We find a website out there that can allow for polling which is able to exclude unwanted parties.
On a weekly basis, through this thread, together we create a shareholder poll which challenges a topical subject matter related to the ongoing business.  Unlike the traditional 'shareholder vote', the outcome wouldn't enforce anything but would show Ken what we think and is very likely to have an influence on some of his decisions, one would hope.
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April 15, 2014, 12:45:37 AM
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What exactly is your issue with me?  Why the hate?

If I'm trying too hard then say so, but don't go attacking someone who is trying to make a positive contribution.  It's people like you that make my blood boil.  The last thing this company needs is armchair dictators. No matter someone's opinion it should be respected regardless of your own. Pfff.

A Poll can be great but no-one requested it and everyone seems to have already stated their option and the consensus appeared to be Havelock.  

It's up to Ken at the end of the day as he needs to implement it. He said this week that he feels Havelock will go the way of Bitfunder. If that is the case and he does not want to list us on there and most shareholders think CT doesn't have enough market depth then maybe we will all have to wait for Coloured Coins? The questions have not been formulated yet to even have a Poll. We need to see what Ken thinks, he may be putting us on CT right now who knows. So a Poll right now I think is not necessary.
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