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March 19, 2014, 07:08:29 AM
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KGW does seem very slow to react during a drop of hashrate. 675MH/s but diff is still at 22.

Have you guys had a look at digishield from DGB?

That hash rate is from? Pool totals? Because I still have miners solo-mining, and I am sure others do too. (Time between blocks is still showing about 1.6-1.7 avg, so it can not be that far off.)

However, I hit a double-block a while back, 10-seconds apart. Happens to me a lot. Seems I have good seeds in my wallet nonce's! Tongue

I see a few 1-min blocks, and a few other 30-sec blocks... so expect a little variance until the hash-rate of the network pushes the coin up into the 200-2,000 Diff. There are less lotto-winners there. (Every new block is a new lotto-drawing. Some win on the first ticket, others actually have to buy/hash multiple tickets to win. That is why more devices mining actually prevails over one fast machine of equal speed. More instant-scratch-offs turned-in at once.)

Also, having smaller workloads helps here. You have to finish processing the whole workload before it is actually submitted and checked for a winner. Workload-size of 64 is 4x faster to submit than a workload-size of 256... EG, while you are still "building work", I have submitted 4 possible solutions by the time you have submitted and checked one large workload. Even if you had a bigger solution in the first result, mine in the 3rd, I would have won that solution, as my 3rd was submitted before you even knew you had a winner to submit. (The side effect is you get more rejects, as you are submitting faster. If you have not finished processing, and you get a "new block found", you have to dump that large block of work, and thus, never even check it for winners you may have had. Because there is now a new block to build off-of. Or you submit it, just before another one was found, and then it does show as a reject. But again, that is 1/4 the submitted potential rejects.)
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March 19, 2014, 07:30:28 AM
Last edit: March 19, 2014, 07:41:39 AM by ISAWHIM
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Isawhim, while i disagree with your dictating who should and shouldn't participate in this coin, I find many pearls of wisdom in your rantings :-D

I was not dictating... That was my unbiased and honest opinion.

A dictator demands, telling you what to do. (I simply voiced my suggestion.) Tongue

Stay, go... It's all the same to me... I mine, buy, sell, trade... I screw myself more than anyone! Tongue That is like banking at your own bank, then complaining because there is not enough of your money to withdraw! (Because you loaned it all out, to make yourself more money.)

I just hate people who whine about it, like we TOLD them to mine the coin, and forced them to mine or buy. No-one ever said reward was immediate and fruitful for all. It can't be. Someone has to lose for someone-else to gain. If we all won, we would all be average, and the reward would only pay everyone's electric bills. Which is not what "Investment" is about. It is about GAINS and LOSSES, and SUPPORT. Not "Sit on the toilet and do nothing but complain when my turds are not turning into solid gold." (Sorry for the crudeness.) Also, in order for us to all win, the electric company would have to be the one buying our coins... They have no reason to do that. (Or we would have to pay for electricity with our coins, buying them back from the electric company, so they get the money. Thus, making us all losers. Tongue)

What did they think, price was just going to double and double and double and double, in a week, on some off-beat exchange? (One I might add, was recently hacked and people do not trust.)

There are only a hand-full of decent coins. A swath of OK coins, and a whole Wiki full of junk-coins. Air is in the swath, until it rises out of the shadows. For being in the shadows, it is doing better than some coins that have been here for a whole year. Let them get settled before you start complaining about golden turds not appearing in your toilets. (Again, not directed at anyone individual.)

We still have to keep the diff constantly rising, slowly, to add the initial distributed value to the coin, and rarity of volume. Which also includes buying-up some of these listings... if that includes letting the price fall to make those purchases less of a burden to us, than that is what will happen. You don't HAVE to sell that low. Once those are sold, they are gone. It is the others that are not listed, you have to worry about. (Well not gone, but they will not likely appear in the lower ranges later-on.)

The best thing this coin has done to help us, is having that low volume/reward.
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March 19, 2014, 07:57:42 AM
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Reality is:  Price is falling down. Now at  0.00169  48 hours ago was 0.00200

Main page of dev owner:

AIRCOIN
Stable, Rising Exchange Rate


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March 19, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
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Reality is:  Price is falling down. Now at  0.00169  48 hours ago was 0.00200

Main page of dev owner:

AIRCOIN
Stable, Rising Exchange Rate


Cheers.


Reality is: fabula is still wants more cheap AIRcoins...

Sorry, not selling any of mine to you for that price.
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March 19, 2014, 08:47:52 AM
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Reality is:  Price is falling down. Now at  0.00169  48 hours ago was 0.00200
Main page of dev owner:

AIRCOIN
Stable, Rising Exchange Rate

Cheers.

It just opened a week ago... Price was obviously too high to start, for the prior listed earned coins.

I am sure there wasn't a specific deadline for the "rising exchange rate". Though, I am seeing stability forming. That is a horribly slow exchange to expect lightning-fast response-times on. They didn't say "zero volatility" and "forever rising". That is impossible unless they purchase all your debt. They simply control a range above and below, to allow trading to be possible. Like a buffer.

Seriously, in this short of a time, you expected instant results? (Though, they have already given instant results. Just not ones you want.)

P.S. I am also buying and selling, manipulating the market, in favor of "getting more miners". (At my own losses/costs, for future rewards.)
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March 19, 2014, 10:23:28 AM
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Ok, done buying for a few hours... Tag, you're it!
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March 19, 2014, 11:41:39 AM
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....Also, having smaller workloads helps here. You have to finish processing the whole workload before it is actually submitted and checked for a winner. Workload-size of 64 is 4x faster to submit than a workload-size of 256... EG, while you are still "building work", I have submitted 4 possible solutions by the time you have submitted and checked one large workload.....

So, that means a workload of 128 or 64 is better to use than 256 when solo-mining? What other changes from the usual parameters do you recommend ISAWHIM?

Thank you for your posts , I've been learning a lot from you!
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March 19, 2014, 12:06:44 PM
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So, that means a workload of 128 or 64 is better to use than 256 when solo-mining? What other changes from the usual parameters do you recommend ISAWHIM?

Thank you for your posts , I've been learning a lot from you!

Not always better... Some miners don't like small workloads. (Mine prefer them. I get better hash-rates, and the bonus of slightly faster submit-times.) Do NOT do this on sha-256 coins. Tongue They don't use a lot of memory.

If you have 7970's another odd trick is trying the +1 to the "--thread-concurrency 8192" (8192 works on all miners. But 8193 makes about half of them work about 5%-2% faster. That is a dicey setting. It either works, or it does not work.)

Other than that, I just have my cards tuned for 600-700KHs, depending on the PSU limits. I have a bunch of crappy reference designs that suck at cooling. Only about half of them suck. (I could push 728KHs out of most of them, but need more cooling in the summer.)

Oh another strange thing... Usually seen only on super-fast block-times... below 30-seconds... If you select the "Receive" tab, not the "Overview" or the "Transaction" tab... The wallet seems to respond faster to "new blocks". (Might be all the column/row checking that is slowing down the miner, looking for all those "confirmed" status updates. They don't seem to happen on that tab. Have not noticed any difference mining coins greater than 30-seconds. So here, that will not matter. This is a 1.5-minute block-time.)

Last thing, for those who may not do it... Use multiple pools on this coin. As failover setups. Pools seem to be getting DDOSed, due to this being a successful source of pulling miners off other coins. Tongue

Buy high, sell low... Oh no, I got that backwards... Sell low, buy high! JK. (Only do that if you want to support the network!)
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March 19, 2014, 01:18:29 PM
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Using a single 7950... came late to the crypto-world, so i´m using my gaming card while i try to learn the most i can as fast i can.

I´m not solo mining AIR, cause it´s a little frustrating waiting for a block about 2 days on average, but i´ll pretend to with lower diff coins, and maybe i´ll buy some more cards if i came to the conclusions that it´s still worthwhile investing  in mining equipment.. seems to me that the global hashrate is now too big.  Any crap coin has lots of GH/s, looks like everybody has found cryptcoins at the same time i did...  Embarrassed. Don't think I'll be leaving my day job just yet  Grin

Then again thanks for sharing your knowledge.

"May your shares always be full."
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March 19, 2014, 01:33:48 PM
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Well, will be too late at the end of the year.
If you want to invest you have to do it now!!

Cause within months cames out the first scrypt dedicated machines with more than 100kh of mining power.

So,then they will kill every little miner, or if you want to invest you can spend thousands of usd right now and pre-order them.

That's my opinion.
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March 19, 2014, 01:37:17 PM
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Aniway, i'm going to sell my 130 AIRCOIN.

If someone's interest.....

Moving to some other coin with my rig.
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March 19, 2014, 02:41:33 PM
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Vote for AIR in alcurex

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458732.480
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March 19, 2014, 04:05:49 PM
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As Alcurex is currently not an actual exchange (still in IPO stages, no exchange interface) we cannot add it to our list of qualified exchanges and would discourage adding AIR to the exchange.

However, we'll keep a very close eye on it in the future to see how it develops, and stay in contact with the company.
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March 19, 2014, 06:26:46 PM
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Aircoin Team -- Scrypt ASIC miners are right around the corner... they launch in quarter 2 or quarter 3 which means that the companies are probably running them right now before public release. Something must be done, Will the team change alorithm's within the coin ? Is this possible ?


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March 19, 2014, 06:44:41 PM
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LOL, right!

Thoose machines mining scrypt and when they came out all crypto change in keccak or scrypt-jane.

Aniway, my aircoins today drop again.... 0,00171.

What's up? Smiley


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March 19, 2014, 07:02:26 PM
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LOL, right!

Thoose machines mining scrypt and when they came out all crypto change in keccak or scrypt-jane.

Aniway, my aircoins today drop again.... 0,00171.

What's up? Smiley




The price will rise, im not worried about that.

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March 19, 2014, 07:07:45 PM
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Aircoin Team -- Scrypt ASIC miners are right around the corner... they launch in quarter 2 or quarter 3 which means that the companies are probably running them right now before public release. Something must be done, Will the team change alorithm's within the coin ? Is this possible ?

We're both looking into different algorithms and their methods of implementation, as well as difficulty adjustments.

Since we have mechanisms involved to deal with inflation through the market, the effect of ASICs on a coin's exchange rate doesn't bother us very much at all. However, it can mean that only those with the budget and technology for ASIC miners would be able to mine the coin, forcing others to use an exchange.

The major problem with ASICs is the dispersion rate, as the difficulty has to constant adjust itself (and is always falling behind the ever-increasing hashrates) to cause more inflation and blocks to be solved faster than intended. The next problem is with the effect that has on the market, causing even higher short-term inflation that outruns the short-term demand increased caused by those who cannot acquire the hardware (and thus end up buying instead).

But 2 things have changed since SHA-256 ASICs came out:

1. KGW was created, giving a strong defense against both Multipools and ASICs.
2. Methods (such as AIRcoin's investment pool) to counteract inflation have been designed and experimented with.

So unlike the advent of SHA-256 ASICs, we think the effect (both because of the small difference in barrier of entry and the existing methods to counteract ASICs) of Scrypt ASICs will be minimal compared to what ASICs were for SHA-256 coins.

The next wallet version will have tweaks to the KGW system to take Scrypt ASICs into account.

We've also looked into the various Scrypt ASICs and at current prices, do not see exceptional change like SHA-256 ASICs. This is perhaps because Scrypt ASICs are far more complex and expensive for the same capabilities, but also because they are not far away from existing GPU performance, and their benefit has less to do with barrier of entry (which is where GPUs have had a huge advantage thus far, since they were ubiquitous in their use and always available in their supply) and more do with the cost of electricity.

LOL, right!

Thoose machines mining scrypt and when they came out all crypto change in keccak or scrypt-jane.

Aniway, my aircoins today drop again.... 0,00171.

What's up? Smiley

Exchange rate can be calculated as:

(Demand rate + Investment Pool Growth) - (Supply Rate + Inflation Rate)

We know the inflation rate is about ~4.5 BTC of volume per day, and the investment pool is growing at a rate of about .52 BTC per day. This means that on a daily basis:

(Demand Rate/day + .52/day) - (Supply Rate/day + 4.5/day) = Rate the exchange rate has moved/day.

Since we know that if the exchange rate wasn't moving, then demand would be outweighing supply by about 3.98 BTC per day. Since it is falling (albeit at a small rate) that means that (by definition, as we measure demand and supply after-the-fact) that right now, unfortunately demand is just a little lower than supply. This is, again, because 2-3 weeks of mining is being offset by 2-3 days of exchange speculation.

As the investment pool is currently leveraging only about 500 AIR to generate that .52 BTC per day in a ~12-20 BTC every 24h market, we can reasonably expect that it will be able to completely offset the inflation rate when it can either leverage ~5000 AIR or when the 24h volume is closer to 120 or 200 BTC/day. For the exchange rate to rise, it would have to grow by the same amount that the supply rate overwhelmed the demand rate.

However, if before that happens, we implement the adjustable block reward, then we can control both sides of the equation to accommodate any situation of supply or demand.

In other words:

We can't control the demand rate directly.
We can't control the supply rate directly. (It is still a free market in that sense)
We are not controlling the inflation rate (it is fixed right now), but we will be able to adjust it in the future.
We CAN control the investment pool growth, but that is limited by the size of the market, which is small.

(Demand rate + Investment Pool Growth) - (Supply Rate + Inflation Rate)




If you cannot wait for those factors to come into equilibrium, then you should sell cheap and invest in a one of the many alternative coins, and hope you'll be as successful.
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March 19, 2014, 07:14:44 PM
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if you want to be taken seriously, you must have 0% premine (THAT'S ZERO) and 0.00000001 coins for the first 1000 blocks to stop whales pumping out the first coins.
otherwise, you are just another pump and dump coin.

ADD: if you truly believe in your coin, the above recommendations won't be a problem for you.

Whales get all the coins regardless of when they join. I have seen low rewards like that for the first 1000 blocks kill coins.
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March 19, 2014, 07:16:54 PM
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if you want to be taken seriously, you must have 0% premine (THAT'S ZERO) and 0.00000001 coins for the first 1000 blocks to stop whales pumping out the first coins.
otherwise, you are just another pump and dump coin.

ADD: if you truly believe in your coin, the above recommendations won't be a problem for you.

Whales get all the coins regardless of when they join. I have seen low rewards like that for the first 1000 blocks kill coins.

good point. i've been dabbling now with alt coins for a while and it seems to be the trend (in the short term at least)
hopefully the long haul can prove some worthwhile in all you mine  Wink

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March 19, 2014, 07:42:34 PM
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Devs

Are you aware of

https://www.coinpeat.com/

which is listing AIR ?

Found this thread. Scam beware.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520890.0



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