The Rock Trading Scam www.therocktrading.com Exchange Review fraud truffa

[Coinfan]

The Rock has other customers accusing them of being a fraud, retaining their money or of adopting bad practices. These complains have more than 3 months:

http://bittrust.org/service/the-rock-currency-exchange:
"Davide Barbieri - October 29, 2017
It's a fraud."


https://www.coinstaker.com/bitcoin-exchanges/the-rock-trading-review/
"Suffering
Only problem being when you cash out your money never arrives. Waiting for more than three weeks now. Here’s to hoping they ran into a technical issue and it will be resolved.
1  Reply Edit
1 year ago"

https://www.cryptocompare.com/exchanges/the-rock-trading/overview
"cryptorumblefish
3 months ago
Is this already closed?"

"sygma0
1 year ago
The Rock doesn't send any email notification for account creation, documents received, verification, ...
Since they don't look professional, I asked them to close my account but they said they can't delete my documents because they are handled by a third party !
This exchange sucks and will probably shutdown soon."

[eliale]

 3 possible solutions to solve your problem:

1) Fast one: Provide documents requested and, if you are the owner of the account, you'll solve it in one or 2 business days

2) Between 3 months to 6 months: Contact all the authorities you indicated and, if you are the real owner of the account, as soon as they'll provide us your identity, we will unlock your account. From our side, possible defamation lawsuit against you

3) Between 6 months and few years (italian justice timing): Keep on defaming us, wait few months before contacting authorities, contact them and as soon as they'll provide us your identity, we will most likely start a defamation lawsuit against you.

It is your choice.......  of course, if you are not the real owner of funds, all this is quite understandable.

So, regardless which point you'll decide to follow, we will get your identity in order to be compliant. As simple as that.

Thank you!

[Coinfan]

3 possible solutions to solve your problem:

1) Fast one: Provide documents requested and, if you are the owner of the account, you'll solve it in one or 2 business days

2) Between 3 months to 6 months: Contact all the authorities you indicated and, if you are the real owner of the account, as soon as they'll provide us your identity, we will unlock your account. From our side, possible defamation lawsuit against you

3) Between 6 months and few years (italian justice timing): Keep on defaming us, wait few months before contacting authorities, contact them and as soon as they'll provide us your identity, we will most likely start a defamation lawsuit against you.

It is your choice.......  of course, if you are not the real owner of funds, all this is quite understandable.

So, regardless which point you'll decide to follow, we will get your identity in order to be compliant. As simple as that.

Thank you!

The Rock CFO just confessed publicly:

I) I won't, but they wrote that even if I sent my documents, they would still have to decide if the account was mine. They would invent another of their pretexts to say it isn't and keep my money.

II) Even if they had 100% certainty that the money is mine, they intend to keep my money FOR GOOD under the pretext that they have to be "compliant" with an invented applicable European Law that they know isn't applicable, since Directives only apply to States and not to private persons.

III) They claim wanting me to go to the italian authorities but they are threatening with a pathetic law suit if I go. Clearly, they are afraid of their authorities. They are just bluffing.

But they expect bitcoiners will believe that what they are doing isn't a scam.

They are destroying their reputation on their own.


PS. Search exceptio veritatis. And you are defaming me by saying that I'm a hacker who hacked my Rock account.

Until you recognize, clearly and without reservations, here or by email, my ownership of my money we won't have nothing meaningful to say. All evidence confirm that you are trying to scam me.

Yes, this will drag on for months, but in the end the police/criminal court will force you to return my money. So, you'll end with nothing beside all this free publicity and the jail time you'll get for fraud and embezzlement.

[eliale]

Never said you are an hacker  Always said we need to verify if you are the owner

So, please, procede with option 2 or 3

Thank you!!

[Coinfan]

If you think you'll walk without punishment after all you done when I complain to the police you are delusional. Consult a good lawyer.

If you weren't scamming you wouldn't keep raising absurd suspicious about my ownership.

This won't end without as a first step my ownership is completely settled, by the passing of time without any other claim but mine plus all the irrefutable evidence I have or by your clear recognition.



These sites will be on the top google results in no time:

https://therocktradingscam.weebly.com

https://therocktradingscam.home.blog

[r34tr783tr78]

That scammer wont recognize that you are the legit owner unless under very pressure or they will lose the last excuse they have to keep your money. He even confirmed he is going to keep it forever because you are refusing to comply with a verification they say isnt mandatory. What a surprise. I forgot to reward the scammer for his scamish practices of creating an alt account and paying members to post on his defense.

[Looarn]

3 possible solutions to solve your problem:

1) Fast one: Provide documents requested and, if you are the owner of the account, you'll solve it in one or 2 business days

2) Between 3 months to 6 months: Contact all the authorities you indicated and, if you are the real owner of the account, as soon as they'll provide us your identity, we will unlock your account. From our side, possible defamation lawsuit against you

3) Between 6 months and few years (italian justice timing): Keep on defaming us, wait few months before contacting authorities, contact them and as soon as they'll provide us your identity, we will most likely start a defamation lawsuit against you.

It is your choice.......  of course, if you are not the real owner of funds, all this is quite understandable.

So, regardless which point you'll decide to follow, we will get your identity in order to be compliant. As simple as that.

Thank you!

I don't get it.

If he never send fiat only crypto. What the AML/KYC has to do here?

If you need to be sure he is the owner of the account, can't he just send coin from an addresse he use before, like a blockchain proof, this should do the trick from your side right?

Please if my 2 statements are right, let the guy go with his coins and his privacy.

My 2Cts,

Good luck to both part, we are crypto, we can provide other kind of proof.

[Coinfan]

Thank you for your supporting post.

I still have the account (on a different exchange) from which I deposit (entrapped) XRPs on the Rock after their covert block of my withdrawals.

But they don't want to see any more evidence of my ownership. I actually made a few small fiat withdrawals 5 years ago, when their TOS allowed unverified customers to do them. I still own the banking account used for these withdrawals. But they don't care.

They are assuming two wrong things: that I have something to hide, so I won't go to the police. And that they won't be punished by italian courts. So, they can bluff and appear honest: "please, go to the police".

However, they:
I) Blocked all my crypto withdrawals.

II) Refused several times to explain why, including on this thread.

III) Didn't tell me about the block and let me keep entrapping money with deposits and trading/paying fees for months unaware of the block.

IV) When I complained, they demanded my documents when their FAQ says "verification isn't mandatory".

V) Since I argued this, they eventually said I didn't have to send my documents, but said that my money would be kept blocked "much more time".

VI) When I said I would take this public, they started demanding verification again.

VII) Mandatory verification has no basis on their TOS, so they invented an applicable european directive. But they know very well directives only apply to States in order for them to create legislation. Italy hasn't adopted it yet, so there is no duty of mandatory verification or they couldn't allow unverified accounts in the first place.

VIII) They just confirmed they are going to keep my money for good, even if there is 100% evidence that it's mine.

If I had there 1000 euros they wouldn't be doing this. They are very hoping they will be able to keep my money.

[allyouracid]

Coinfan: just out of curiosity: why don't you just go to the police and let them handle the issue?

[Coinfan]

In my country our ID card is a global card with our full id numbers of all public services. It's so danger to give a copy of it that is illegal for any entity to demand it. They can only verify the numbers.

I'll go to the police, but it will be my last option, since I'll have to send them a digital copy of my id card. Who knows how many low officials, secretaries, will handle the copy.

I know a guy who had his life destroyed because of a copy of his id card.

Besides I'm warning the community about them. I Know I won't have patience after this is solved.

But thanks for your interest allyouracid.


Googling for The Rock Trading truffa gives 5 of my threads/sites on the top.

Googling for The Rock Trading scam gives 2 and counting.


Two more to go:
https://therocktradingscam.wixsite.com/therocktrading/home/the-rock-trading-selective-scam
https://therocktradingscam.video.blog/2018/10/06/selective-scam-at-the-rock-trading/

[Mirae]

These sites will be on the top google results in no time:

https://therocktradingscam.weebly.com

https://therocktradingscam.home.blog

just an offtopic but if you really want the websites to be in top results you should purchase .com domains
also i hope you will get your money back sooner than later

[Coinfan]

Yes, I'll probably have to do that.

Your more clear opinion about their scam is important. More pressure to them.

Anyway, thank you for your post.

[Mirae]

They lost the battle here and retreated.

Now a new battle is ranging on the italian scam board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.0

so they have started to ignore this thread or did you get your money  ?

[Coinfan]

70% of their customers are italian, so the italian scam thread is more important to them than this one.

No, they didn't release my money. This is going to last a long time.

Thanks for your interest.

[Mirae]

so was there any new info in the italian thread ?

[Coinfan]

Since I have absolute evidence that the money is mine and they keep suggesting it isn't or raising arbitrary suspicions against me without a single evidence, they are just showing everyone that they are lying.

They didn't deny one of the facts on my OP. Not one. I have evidence on all. And they dare raise suspicions...

My evidence:

I) I have the login and password of my Rock account.

II) I have the login and password of the email associated with the account and I wrote them using this email.

III) The IP I have is and always have been from the same country and location.

IV) There is a second Rock account that the Rock knows is related to me. An email was sent from that email account confirming my identity.

V) I quoted detailed conversations I had with the CTO Paci on Second Life 6 years ago.

VI) I can confirm my identity using the Second Life account associated with my Rock account.

VII) I still own the banking account to where small euro withdrawals were made from my Rock Account in 2013.

VIII) I still own the account on another exchange from which I made almost all crypto deposits on the Rock and I have scans of their transactions.

IX) About 2 months passed since this public war started. If I wasn't the owner, the real me would already claimed the money.

Only dishonest people would contest my ownership.

If they are lying by contesting my ownership, the reason is obvious: just a pretext to keep my money.

[Mirae]

Since I have absolute evidence that the money is mine and they keep suggesting it isn't or raising arbitrary suspicions against me without a single evidence, they are just showing everyone that they are lying.

They didn't deny one of the facts on my OP. Not one. I have evidence on all. And they dare raise suspicions...

My evidence:

I) I have the login and password of my Rock account.

II) I have the login and password of the email associated with the account and I wrote them using this email.

III) The IP I have is and always have been from the same country and location.

IV) There is a second Rock account that the Rock knows is related to me. An email was sent from that email account confirming my identity.

V) I quoted detailed conversations I had with the CTO Paci on Second Life 6 years ago.

VI) I can confirm my identity using the Second Life account associated with my Rock account.

VII) I still own the banking account to where small euro withdrawals were made from my Rock Account in 2013.

VIII) I still own the account on another exchange from which I made almost all crypto deposits on the Rock and I have scans of their transactions.

IX) About 2 months passed since this public war started. If I wasn't the owner, the real me would already claimed the money.

Only dishonest people would contest my ownership.

If they are lying by contesting my ownership, the reason is obvious: just a pretext to keep my money.

if all that is true and they just refuse to give you your money if i were you i would just go to the italian police, they deserve to be in jail for withholding that much money without any solid proof that you are not the account owner

[xtraelv]

In my country our ID card is a global card with our full id numbers of all public services. It's so danger to give a copy of it that is illegal for any entity to demand it. They can only verify the numbers.

I'll go to the police, but it will be my last option, since I'll have to send them a digital copy of my id card. Who knows how many low officials, secretaries, will handle the copy.

I know a guy who had his life destroyed because of a copy of his id card.

Besides I'm warning the community about them. I Know I won't have patience after this is solved.

But thanks for your interest allyouracid.

You trusted them with your crypto but not with your ID.

If you don't want to give them your national ID you can give them your passport instead.

With KYC in certain jurisdictions you can do anything you like but unless you provide the identification they require for KYC so they can comply with AML laws they won't budge.

The "drama" that you can create is nothing in comparison to the prison terms they can receive for not complying with the law.

It is not as if the exchange is hidden somewhere in Russia or the Ukraine.

The exchange is located in Italy:
The Rock Trading
TRT srl - Galleria del Corso 2 - 20122 Milano,
Italy - VAT: 10120840961
https://www.therocktrading.com/

It has to comply with AML laws https://www.therocktrading.com/en/service_terms/5

There is a good chance that because you have made this much drama that your file has been passed to the authorities as "suspicious".
Refusing to provide identification to withdraw a substantial amount of funds is suspicious. No matter what excuses you provide.

I don't like KYC either - but it is introduced by legislation and most exchanges have to comply to AML regulations. (The exchanges that don't have to comply to AML legislation are in dodgy jurisdictions)

Dealing with large amounts on centralized exchanges requires KYC nowadays. It is just a fact of life.

[Coinfan]

You can rest assure I'm not going to trust my documents to people who breached several main rules of their TOS and that are lying by doubting my ownership. They know the money is mine.

My evidence of ownership is absolute: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg47204994#msg47204994

I already showed that what they are doing has no basis whatsoever on their TOS, including the ones you quoted some time ago:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg46225609#msg46225609
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg45001851#msg45001851

There is no AML issue, they know the source of my funds (trading there on the last 6 years) and they refused several times to explain why they blocked my withdrawals on the first place, why didn't informed me of the block, leaving my ignorant about it for months (I even entrapped more money on another deposit) and why they demanded my documents.

As I wrote several times, the european directives applied to crypto exchanges doesn't apply to Italy, since Italy didn't adopt it yet. There is no legal duty to KYC in Italy applied to crypto exchanges or they couldn't allow unverified accounts.

they deserve to be in jail for withholding that much money without any solid proof that you are not the account owner

Mirae, thanks for your opinion. I won't forget your support.

I'll go to a Italian criminal court, but first everyone will know what they do to customers. You can rest assure I won't let them keep my money.

But if they only release my money under orders of the authorities, this all publicity will stay online forever. Only people scamming release money only under orders.

[eliale]

In my country our ID card is a global card with our full id numbers of all public services. It's so danger to give a copy of it that is illegal for any entity to demand it. They can only verify the numbers.

I'll go to the police, but it will be my last option, since I'll have to send them a digital copy of my id card. Who knows how many low officials, secretaries, will handle the copy.

I know a guy who had his life destroyed because of a copy of his id card.

Besides I'm warning the community about them. I Know I won't have patience after this is solved.

But thanks for your interest allyouracid.

You trusted them with your crypto but not with your ID.

If you don't want to give them your national ID you can give them your passport instead.

With KYC in certain jurisdictions you can do anything you like but unless you provide the identification they require for KYC so they can comply with AML laws they won't budge.

The "drama" that you can create is nothing in comparison to the prison terms they can receive for not complying with the law.

It is not as if the exchange is hidden somewhere in Russia or the Ukraine.

The exchange is located in Italy:
The Rock Trading
TRT srl - Galleria del Corso 2 - 20122 Milano,
Italy - VAT: 10120840961
https://www.therocktrading.com/

It has to comply with AML laws https://www.therocktrading.com/en/service_terms/5

There is a good chance that because you have made this much drama that your file has been passed to the authorities as "suspicious".
Refusing to provide identification to withdraw a substantial amount of funds is suspicious. No matter what excuses you provide.

I don't like KYC either - but it is introduced by legislation and most exchanges have to comply to AML regulations. (The exchanges that don't have to comply to AML legislation are in dodgy jurisdictions)

Dealing with large amounts on centralized exchanges requires KYC nowadays. It is just a fact of life.

Exactly to the point. Thank you