DefaultTrust changes

[LoyceV]

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Legendary phantastisch (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (289 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary Balthazar (Trust: +3 / =1 / -1) (358 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary yxt (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (86 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary EcuaMobi (Trust: +18 / =0 / -0) (464 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary arulbero (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (888 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary JayJuanGee (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (5196 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary teeGUMES (Trust: +12 / =3 / -0) (941 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: +45 / =0 / -0) (924 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary bitbollo (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (1253 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (5475 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary o_solo_miner (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (351 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary LoyceV (Trust: +28 / =1 / -0) (9777 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Copper Member actmyname (Trust: +19 / =0 / -1) (1459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary condoras (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (583 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Hero Member polymerbit (Trust: +13 / =0 / -0) (542 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary HCP (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (3688 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary Trofo (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1276 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary Coin-1 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1599 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Hero Member icopress (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (2621 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (2338 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary tvplus006 (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1509 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary witcher_sense (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (2565 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary cabalism13 (Trust: #  +12 / =3 / -8) (1165 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Copper Member Harkorede (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (525 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Hero Member Lachrymose (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (825 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary NotATether (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (2786 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Hero Member bullrun2020bro (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (2340 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Legendary cygan (Trust: +53 / =0 / -0) (1971 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Legendary fronti (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (279 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary Dabs (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (885 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary Carlton Banks (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1723 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Staff Welsh (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (2135 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary Avirunes (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary Buchi-88 (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (685 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary examplens (Trust: +4 / =4 / -0) (732 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary minerjones (Trust: +134 / =0 / -0) (1700 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary bill gator (Trust: +17 / =3 / -5) (622 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary Real-Duke (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (440 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary DarkStar_ (Trust: +65 / =2 / -0) (1951 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =2 / -0) (1033 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary webtricks (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1402 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary duesoldi (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1789 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Hero Member bobita (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (700 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary imhoneer (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (937 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Sr. Member 3meek (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (348 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary TheBeardedBaby (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (2724 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary coinlocket$ (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (1473 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary Lakai01 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1875 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary Bthd (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (1766 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (9152 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Copper Member DireWolfM14 (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (2710 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Copper Member Corrosive (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (1089 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Copper Member rxalts (Trust: +35 / =0 / -0) (349 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    27. Legendary Rikafip (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (3188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

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[icopress]

I don't understand what's wrong... my trust list is fine but I see that I deleted a few guys. 

[1miau]

I don't understand what's wrong... my trust list is fine but I see that I deleted a few guys.  

Maybe that's because you were not eligible for DT1 this time:

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
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   19. Hero Member icopress (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (2621 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
...

And BPIP is automatically recognizing it as "DT 2 selection". There are quite a few accounts affected at the same time, most likely it's due to DT1 changes: https://bpip.org/TrustLog



All of them are listed as "removed" for recent DT1 changes.

It just shows up on BPIP but doesn't remove someone from your trust list. 

[Timelord2067]

It's definitely a glitch that didn't occur when BPIP was first created.

It's also misleading.

[babo]

I have been very lucky until now
I've always been in DT1
I find that the random choice is dictated by chaos and therefore is fair and equitable
in the end it is a chaos-based rotation

chaos/entropy is better and democratic

[LoyceV]

I've always been in DT1

Sorry, that's not true
See DT1-strength:

Code:

,week:,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170,171,172
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Since your first time on DT1, you've lost the DT1-lottery 6 times.

[babo]

thank you for the clarification
as always you are 10 steps ahead of normal people

in any case if I lost 6 times, it is very little .. or are there numbers that deny this statement of mine?

thank you anyway

[LoyceV]

Theymos reshuffled DT1.

Removed:
     1. Staff gmaxwell (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (5171 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Staff malevolent (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (701 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary fronti (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (280 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Global Moderator mprep (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (1436 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary Carlton Banks (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1843 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary ibminer (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1151 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Sr. Member Ticked (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (223 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary Timelord2067 (Trust: +12 / =11 / -1) (900 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Staff EFS (Trust: +11 / =2 / -1) (335 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Global Moderator hilariousandco (Trust: +26 / =3 / -1) (1177 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Staff achow101 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (3777 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Legendary irfan_pak10 (Trust: +11 / =1 / -1) (473 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary yahoo62278 (Trust: +32 / =2 / -0) (1901 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary zazarb (Trust: +27 / =2 / -0) (505 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary Real-Duke (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (455 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Copper Member LeGaulois (Trust: +2 / =3 / -0) (2449 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =3 / -0) (1043 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary imhoneer (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (962 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Legendary wolwoo (Trust: +0 / =3 / -4) (764 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +11 / =1 / -0) (2698 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary dkbit98 (Trust: +12 / =3 / -0) (4230 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Legendary Lakai01 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1891 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Legendary Bthd (Trust: +3 / =2 / -0) (1804 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Copper Member Corrosive (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (1089 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Copper Member rxalts (Trust: +32 / =0 / -0) (349 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary efialtis (Trust: +24 / =1 / -0) (1213 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Added:
     1. Staff HostFat (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (159 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     2. Donator OgNasty (Trust: +97 / =4 / -6) (1790 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     3. Legendary yxt (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (86 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     4. Legendary peloso (Trust: +1 / =4 / -5) (186 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     5. Legendary vizique (Trust: +43 / =0 / -0) (597 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     6. Legendary yogg (Trust: +34 / =0 / -0) (1994 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     7. Legendary JayJuanGee (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (5372 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     8. Legendary BitcoinPenny (Trust: +51 / =0 / -0) (929 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
     9. Legendary bitbollo (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (1277 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    10. Legendary LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (5679 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    11. Legendary o_solo_miner (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (353 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    12. Copper Member actmyname (Trust: +20 / =1 / -0) (1459 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    13. Legendary condoras (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (583 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    14. Legendary Trofo (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1348 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    15. Legendary Coin-1 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1623 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    16. Legendary icopress (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (2676 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    17. Legendary GazetaBitcoin (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (2425 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    18. Legendary tvplus006 (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (1513 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    19. Staff mole0815 (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (2073 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    20. Legendary witcher_sense (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (2667 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    21. Legendary morvillz7z (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (1785 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    22. Copper Member TalkStar (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (733 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    23. Sr. Member The0ldl_lser (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (477 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    24. Hero Member geophphreigh (Trust: +29 / =0 / -0) (865 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    25. Hero Member Lachrymose (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (835 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    26. Legendary NotATether (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (2930 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

[The Sceptical Chymist]

How the hell did wolwoo end up on DT, anyway?  I'm assuming he's temporarily removed from DT1 but is still on DT2, no? 

Thanks for the update, LoyceV.  It's been a while since I last looked at a DT update.  Oh, if only we could go back to the old days when being on the DT list actually meant something.  Surely I can't be alone in my thinking.

[LoyceV]

How the hell did wolwoo end up on DT, anyway?

The DT1-lottery doesn't account for exclusions, but he had DT1-strength (-15) until the most recent change:

Trust list for: wolwoo (Trust: +0 / =3 / -2) (DT1 (-15) 764 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

[yahoo62278]

How the hell did wolwoo end up on DT, anyway?  I'm assuming he's temporarily removed from DT1 but is still on DT2, no? 

Thanks for the update, LoyceV.  It's been a while since I last looked at a DT update.  Oh, if only we could go back to the old days when being on the DT list actually meant something.  Surely I can't be alone in my thinking.

This new way is terrible, seems like anyone can make DT. Back in the day when it was 12 users or whatnot, DT meant alot. I agree something needed to change, but 100 DT1 users is crazy. We need to hold an election or something and elect 20 users for DT1.

[Solosanz]

How the hell did wolwoo end up on DT, anyway?  I'm assuming he's temporarily removed from DT1 but is still on DT2, no?  

Perhaps because theymos randomly selected the users that eligible to become DT1, as been stated the criteria below. But since many DT1 excluded him, he's no longer a DT1 and he's not on DT 2 too because no one DT1 user trust him wolwoo trustlist. So there's nothing to be worried.

I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:
 - If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
 - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
 - You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.
 - You must have at least 2 people directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 250, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.

Once you're on DT1, the users included on your Trust list reach DT2

This new way is terrible, seems like anyone can make DT. Back in the day when it was 12 users or whatnot, DT meant alot. I agree something needed to change, but 100 DT1 users is crazy. We need to hold an election or something and elect 20 users for DT1.

Pardon me since I don't know how the situation when there's only 12 users selected on DT1. But if theymos reduced 100 to 20 users to become DT1 users on every month, I think it's doesn't good since it makes the forum more centralized and perhaps theymos picked wrong users as DT1. Let's say he picked a group that abusing a trust system and they're trusting each others, it will mess up the forum with their not appropriate feedback. Not to mention not all 20 users will become DT1 as we didn't know those DT1 trust list and which user they distrust. 100 users are make sense for me.

[LoyceV]

We need to hold an election or something and elect 20 users for DT1.

That's going to be a monthly thing, but to make it 20 would actually be interesting. Raise the requirements, and also raise the requirements for DT2.
But it's not going to help: eventually, anyone can get enough inclusions to qualify again. So the only thing I'd really like to see is 2 instead of 1 inclusion to reach DT2.

[Poker Player]

So the only thing I'd really like to see is 2 instead of 1 inclusion to reach DT2.

That seems like a good idea to me.

Those of you who have been on the forum for a long time, what do you think is the probability that theymos will make such a change? I think he very rarely makes changes and that he thinks long and hard before making them.

[LoyceV]

what do you think is the probability that theymos will make such a change?

I think this one will happen about a week before KYC, so not very likely. It was suggested several times in the past years, and I once checked the numbers: it would reduce the number of users on DT2 by about 50%. And it would end all "selfscratching".

I can imagine it's not easy to implement, because the 1 inclusion not only applies to DT1 and DT2, it works all the way down to DT4 depending on your own trust depth setting. And changing how that works might be undesirable.

[Poker Player]

-snip

I think I'm going to nickname you "Bitcointalk encyclopedia".

Txs for the explanation.

[dkbit98]

This new way is terrible, seems like anyone can make DT. Back in the day when it was 12 users or whatnot, DT meant alot. I agree something needed to change, but 100 DT1 users is crazy. We need to hold an election or something and elect 20 users for DT1.

Only 20 DT1 members for forum that has thousands of active users (and millions of registered) is not good, and it would look more like a closed cult or a sect of specially elected users.
I agree that current DT system needs to be improved maybe most for DT2 members, but I wouldn't reduce DT1 members five times.
Better number would be 50 DT1 members that is 50% reduction, and I would increase number of inclusions for DT2 members like LoyceV suggested.
It would be interesting to add something like activity strength that would reduce your DT level if you are inactive, and increase it if you are active user.

[suchmoon]

It would be interesting to add something like activity strength that would reduce your DT level if you are inactive, and increase it if you are active user.

Being active is already part of the requirements:

 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
[...]
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.

Merit requirements (10+ and 250+ merit user votes) could be increased considering merit "inflation", because people only gain merit and never lose it. However:

If hundreds of users would be selected in the future, I plan to instead choose a random subset of about 100 eligible users each time.

And we're not at "hundreds" yet, so it seems fully within theymos' expectations and I wouldn't expect any such changes any time soon.

[Igebotz]

I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:
 - If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
 - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
 - You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.
 - You must have at least 2 people directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 250, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.

I've never really looked into the criteria for becoming a DT1 member; it's interesting that I met almost all of the criteria here; the only one I'm a little confused about is the bolded part; does this mean that a user must be a Hero rank or higher to become a DT1 member? Because one must have received 250 merits from two different users?(500 merits)Could someone please explain this part to me? I'm befuddled; the more I read, the less I understand.

[LoyceV]

does this mean that a user must be a Hero rank or higher to become a DT1 member?

No, this is about the users who can vote for DT1-users. A Newbie who received 250 Merit can vote for DT1 too, and a Member can reach DT1.
You currently are included by 5 users with 250+ earned Merit and 1 users with 10-249 earned Merit:

Trust list for: igehhh (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (820 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2022-05-28_Sat_05.06h)

igehhh's judgement is Trusted by:
1. kro55 (Trust: neutral) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2698 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 2929 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. YOSHIE (Trust: +9 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1486 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Stalker22 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (749 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. Apocollapse (Trust: neutral) (252 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)