T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion

[Sithara007]

For the better future of this game they need to work on franchise because now it's future but need some good system and rules which never hurt others with this they can go ahead like UEFA is going, and they are currently one of the best system with good fan base and too much money around them.

ICC is authority which can bring them on table for fair rules and better management because these things are very important even Indians are going to control few leagues around the world but still few countries are going to have things which will be not under their control and this can create conflict which could be never been healthy.

Right now BBL, Vitality Blast, BPL and PSL are having not Indian connections which mean they also need some better treatment from ICC for good future just IPL is having special treatment is never been fair.

If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.

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[pakhitheboss]

For the better future of this game they need to work on franchise because now it's future but need some good system and rules which never hurt others with this they can go ahead like UEFA is going, and they are currently one of the best system with good fan base and too much money around them.

ICC is authority which can bring them on table for fair rules and better management because these things are very important even Indians are going to control few leagues around the world but still few countries are going to have things which will be not under their control and this can create conflict which could be never been healthy.

Right now BBL, Vitality Blast, BPL and PSL are having not Indian connections which mean they also need some better treatment from ICC for good future just IPL is having special treatment is never been fair.

If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.

There is no future left for BBL unless Australian cricket board changes its policy. South African T20 league will start at the same time as BBL. All six teams in the South Aftrican T20 leagu have been purchase by IPL franchise. These franchises, I am sure will also promote and advertise this league in India. It would automatically become a bigger league than BBL.

[JSRAW]

For the better future of this game they need to work on franchise because now it's future but need some good system and rules which never hurt others with this they can go ahead like UEFA is going, and they are currently one of the best system with good fan base and too much money around them.

ICC is authority which can bring them on table for fair rules and better management because these things are very important even Indians are going to control few leagues around the world but still few countries are going to have things which will be not under their control and this can create conflict which could be never been healthy.

Right now BBL, Vitality Blast, BPL and PSL are having not Indian connections which mean they also need some better treatment from ICC for good future just IPL is having special treatment is never been fair.

If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.

IPL owners do wanted to invest heavily in BBL but i guess CA didn't gave any permission, situation might change in near future if they head towards privatization. Atm BBL's teams are owned by CA and state bodies.

They also need to think about their own national players participation. Also the way IPL owners are investing everywhere i think some Indian players might start playing in other leagues too, may be not national contracted players but it's possible for un-capped talent.

[Rigon]

Having serious trouble in t20i and Test formats but doing amazing job in ODI is surely good from them, but they need to go on grassroots for all formats which will give them better results

A few days ago the enthusiasm of the cricketers that was seen in Bangladesh cricket is disappear. There is some kind of contradiction in the team which will hamper their cricket. They played well in ODIs against West Indies but as the T20 World Cup is around the corner, they should have a quick communication with everyone involved in the team.

Now we have less than three months, and they have no enough time for settling things in this short period, but they can manage for long run because things could be settled properly can give them some better results in future if they want to go ahead as better team in this era where too many associates looking for better place, and they are declined without any solid reason in this format.
As they are having franchise league which is helping many countries for having new and quality talented players they can produce as well but for this surely need better policy and coordination because without team management nothing is possible and without this all they have never been good and strong for this format which is having bright future instead of ODI.

I am quite sure that Bangladesh is not going to do very well in this T20 World Cup. T20 has never been one of the strong points of Bangladesh. They have always been better in the one-day international format compared to the T20 and test format. And one thing that causes problems for the Bangladesh team is that whenever a player is playing better in one format, the selectors seem to give him the chance in the other two formats quite quickly. And then, obviously, sometimes that player cannot perform as well in the other two formats. This also ends up hurting his form in that one format, which he was skilled. So that over-eagerness must be avoided. But that’s the problem for long-term selection and they don’t have enough time for that anyway.

Although Bangladesh are very weak for T20 and Test matches, they are perfect for ODIs and ODIs.If they can play well in T20 then they will gain more reputation One of the problems of Bangladesh in T20 is that they cannot survive on the field for a long time.They are very weak in T20 because of this rush.In the games we saw in New Zealand, there are many mistakes of Bangladesh in the T20 game.I think Bangladesh need to study more for T20.

[JSRAW]

^^ Imo no team is weak in T-20 format, it's fast paced format and if you have 2-3 big hitters in the team then you can beat any team in your day.

Unfortunately that's what Bangladesh lack in this format. They have virtually no players who can clear the 80m boundaries continuously even when they are on song. You can't compete with others if that's the case unless pitch is slow af.

[Sithara007]

^^ Imo no team is weak in T-20 format, it's fast paced format and if you have 2-3 big hitters in the team then you can beat any team in your day.

Unfortunately that's what Bangladesh lack in this format. They have virtually no players who can clear the 80m boundaries continuously even when they are on song. You can't compete with others if that's the case unless pitch is slow af.

They have a few bowlers who are suited for T20 format such as Mustafizur Rahman and Shakib al Hasan. But as you mentioned, they don't have that many big hitters. And I am not sure about the reason.

BTW, anyone watching the New Zealand vs Ireland match? This is the last match of the series and the Kiwis need another win to complete their whitewash in Ireland. New Zealand needs another 70 runs from 7 overs, with 7 wickets in hand. Should be easily achievable unless one of the Irish bowlers come up with some miracle. Daryl Mitchell and Glenn Phillips at the crease.

[Minecache]

^^ Imo no team is weak in T-20 format, it's fast paced format and if you have 2-3 big hitters in the team then you can beat any team in your day.
Unfortunately that's what Bangladesh lack in this format. They have virtually no players who can clear the 80m boundaries continuously even when they are on song. You can't compete with others if that's the case unless pitch is slow af.

They have a few bowlers who are suited for T20 format such as Mustafizur Rahman and Shakib al Hasan. But as you mentioned, they don't have that many big hitters. And I am not sure about the reason.
BTW, anyone watching the New Zealand vs Ireland match? This is the last match of the series and the Kiwis need another win to complete their whitewash in Ireland. New Zealand needs another 70 runs from 7 overs, with 7 wickets in hand. Should be easily achievable unless one of the Irish bowlers come up with some miracle. Daryl Mitchell and Glenn Phillips at the crease.

I am not trying to say that Bangladesh is perfect for ODI, but they are certainly better in ODI compared to the test and T20 format.

There is a reason why Bangladesh is not as successful in T20 matches as it is in ODIs. This is because the Bangladesh team has quite a few performers who can play really consistently and also play under control in ODIs.

They have Shakib Al Hasan, Mushfiqur Rahim, and Tamim Iqbal on the team who are quite consistent, but they are more consistent in ODI instead of T20. And consistency is the problem for Bangladesh. Also not having good enough big hitters on the team is a problem when you are playing T20.

[Smack That Ace]

If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.

IPL owners do wanted to invest heavily in BBL but i guess CA didn't gave any permission, situation might change in near future if they head towards privatization. Atm BBL's teams are owned by CA and state bodies.
They also need to think about their own national players participation. Also the way IPL owners are investing everywhere i think some Indian players might start playing in other leagues too, may be not national contracted players but it's possible for un-capped talent.

But we all know that whenever India finds something very worthwhile, they want to make it private. They make everyone feel like that player or anything they are doing is premium stuff. So I don’t know if BCCI is preparing to allow Indian players to play in another league. But about ownership, I am quite confident that if the IPL owners are given permission they will also own teams from DBL. But so far, I don’t think that is going to happen.


Regards

Duke

[Sithara007]

I am not trying to say that Bangladesh is perfect for ODI, but they are certainly better in ODI compared to the test and T20 format.

There is a reason why Bangladesh is not as successful in T20 matches as it is in ODIs. This is because the Bangladesh team has quite a few performers who can play really consistently and also play under control in ODIs.

They have Shakib Al Hasan, Mushfiqur Rahim, and Tamim Iqbal on the team who are quite consistent, but they are more consistent in ODI instead of T20. And consistency is the problem for Bangladesh. Also not having good enough big hitters on the team is a problem when you are playing T20.

Most of the successful teams (take India and England as examples) have different squads for different formats. The problem with Bangladesh is that they stick to the same set of players, irrespective of the format. And this doesn't work either way. The players can't concentrate in any one format, and the team can't perform decently across the different versions. If they want to be successful in shorter variety, then they need to come up with players who specialize in that variety. And I don't think that they are lacking in talent.

[eaLiTy]

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Most of the successful teams (take India and England as examples) have different squads for different formats. The problem with Bangladesh is that they stick to the same set of players, irrespective of the format. And this doesn't work either way. The players can't concentrate in any one format, and the team can't perform decently across the different versions. If they want to be successful in shorter variety, then they need to come up with players who specialize in that variety. And I don't think that they are lacking in talent.

If Bangladesh had players who could clear the boundary with ease, they would be in the team by now. The reason some of the teams are able to rotate players between formats is because of the bench strength they have so that they can give rest to the main players if they are playing weaker teams and Bangladesh does not have that luxury to rotate players between formats just yet.

[topman21]

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Most of the successful teams (take India and England as examples) have different squads for different formats. The problem with Bangladesh is that they stick to the same set of players, irrespective of the format. And this doesn't work either way. The players can't concentrate in any one format, and the team can't perform decently across the different versions. If they want to be successful in shorter variety, then they need to come up with players who specialize in that variety. And I don't think that they are lacking in talent.

If Bangladesh had players who could clear the boundary with ease, they would be in the team by now. The reason some of the teams are able to rotate players between formats is because of the bench strength they have so that they can give rest to the main players if they are playing weaker teams and Bangladesh does not have that luxury to rotate players between formats just yet.

I would not say that Bangladesh are bad as a team. They get very nervous on the field and it becomes very difficult for Bangladesh to decide what to do from which position.Especially in T20 game they can't understand anything in such a short time.That's why they are very weak in playing T20.Again, they are quite good for playing ODIs.And especially in the Bangladesh team, there is a lack of people who can lead now. There was a time when Mashrafe bin Mortaza was the leader, but the team was generally better.Anyway I would say Bangladesh team should be stronger and they should study a lot.

[CryptoBuds]

Ireland is a very unlucky team. They did not win a single match against New Zealand. But Ireland's performance was outstanding in almost every match. The main reason for their defeat is the inexperience of the bowlers. Although Ireland has some world-class batsmen, the performance of their bowlers is still very poor. If the bowlers could have performed a bit more consistently, Ireland could have won several matches in this series. Ireland was defeated in yesterday's match despite setting a big target of 175.

[Sithara007]

Ireland is a very unlucky team. They did not win a single match against New Zealand. But Ireland's performance was outstanding in almost every match. The main reason for their defeat is the inexperience of the bowlers. Although Ireland has some world-class batsmen, the performance of their bowlers is still very poor. If the bowlers could have performed a bit more consistently, Ireland could have won several matches in this series. Ireland was defeated in yesterday's match despite setting a big target of 175.

If their performance was truly outstanding, then they would have won matches. Losing the ODI series by 0-3, and then again losing the T20I series by 0-3 is not going to impress anyone. They are a test nation now. If they can't win matches against top teams, then it will be difficult for them to justify that position. When teams such as Scotland and Namibia are struggling to get funds from the ICC, how can Ireland stake claim to almost 10x funds just because they have been elevated as a test playing nation?

[GigaBit]

If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.

IPL owners do wanted to invest heavily in BBL but i guess CA didn't gave any permission, situation might change in near future if they head towards privatization. Atm BBL's teams are owned by CA and state bodies.
They also need to think about their own national players participation. Also the way IPL owners are investing everywhere i think some Indian players might start playing in other leagues too, may be not national contracted players but it's possible for un-capped talent.

But we all know that whenever India finds something very worthwhile, they want to make it private. They make everyone feel like that player or anything they are doing is premium stuff. So I don’t know if BCCI is preparing to allow Indian players to play in another league. But about ownership, I am quite confident that if the IPL owners are given permission they will also own teams from DBL. But so far, I don’t think that is going to happen.

Here India wants to lead the world cricket and also they want to adopt some strategies that can help them unique. I think it's also a trick that they don't let any of their players play in any outside franchise. That's why they spend more money on the value of their players. But even if they permit that, franchise would have to pay their players more than others. Basically BCCI will not allow it in any way unless maximum profit is available for their players.

[Sithara007]

Here India wants to lead the world cricket and also they want to adopt some strategies that can help them unique. I think it's also a trick that they don't let any of their players play in any outside franchise. That's why they spend more money on the value of their players. But even if they permit that, franchise would have to pay their players more than others. Basically BCCI will not allow it in any way unless maximum profit is available for their players.

There is some justification behind this move, as the BCCI plays 20% of the player's fee in the IPL as "foreign player release fee" to the respective national cricket board. This income is very significant for boards such as CA, ECB, CSA and WICB. However the other smaller boards such as BCB, SLCB and PCB loses out. And this is one of the reasons why the ICC wanted the foreign player release fee to be distributed evenly between the national boards. But the BCCI and the other members of the pig-4 were against the idea.

[JSRAW]

If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.

IPL owners do wanted to invest heavily in BBL but i guess CA didn't gave any permission, situation might change in near future if they head towards privatization. Atm BBL's teams are owned by CA and state bodies.
They also need to think about their own national players participation. Also the way IPL owners are investing everywhere i think some Indian players might start playing in other leagues too, may be not national contracted players but it's possible for un-capped talent.

But we all know that whenever India finds something very worthwhile, they want to make it private. They make everyone feel like that player or anything they are doing is premium stuff. So I don’t know if BCCI is preparing to allow Indian players to play in another league. But about ownership, I am quite confident that if the IPL owners are given permission they will also own teams from DBL. But so far, I don’t think that is going to happen.


Regards

Duke

Yeah, i agree BCCI do consider their players as premium assets (more like cash cow). For business point of view i don't see anything wrong in it, actually quite amazing to see them tackling everything (even their fuckups) as far as i understand that's the only reason IPL gets the big fat checks. There is a reason IPL is worth more than All ICC tournaments + Major T-20 leagues put together. IPL is BCCI's brand so why would they risk their brand value by releasing their players.

For cricketing point of view yes it's very frustrating because local players (especially uncapped and retired) don't get to play in other leagues and gain valuable experience but BCCI is in this business for profits like every cricket board.
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There is some justification behind this move, as the BCCI plays 20% of the player's fee in the IPL as "foreign player release fee" to the respective national cricket board. This income is very significant for boards such as CA, ECB, CSA and WICB. However the other smaller boards such as BCB, SLCB and PCB loses out. And this is one of the reasons why the ICC wanted the foreign player release fee to be distributed evenly between the national boards. But the BCCI and the other members of the pig-4 were against the idea.

For ECB and CA these amounts are peanuts tbh.

For other boards its beneficial. NZC is also gets a big check from the BCCI cause lots of Kiwis are part of the IPL. SLCB also earned fair amount of money in last season as there were lots of SL players in the every IPL squads, guess more than 10 SL players, even net bowlers.  

[Sithara007]

For ECB and CA these amounts are peanuts tbh.

For other boards its beneficial. NZC is also gets a big check from the BCCI cause lots of Kiwis are part of the IPL. SLCB also earned fair amount of money in last season as there were lots of SL players in the every IPL squads, guess more than 10 SL players, even net bowlers.  

Not sure about CA, and even for ECB. Cricket Australia is in a much weaker position when compared to ECB, and their annual revenues are much lower. If my calculation is correct, they receive around $3 million per year from the IPL, which is a significant amount. For the ECB, such amount may be small, but not "insignificant". In case of NZC and SLCB, I agree. A number of Kiwi pacers are now regulars with various IPL sides, so are the spinners from Sri Lanka. For these two boards (along with WICB and CSA), there is a lot of dependence on funds from the IPL.

[BobK71]

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Most of the successful teams (take India and England as examples) have different squads for different formats. The problem with Bangladesh is that they stick to the same set of players, irrespective of the format. And this doesn't work either way. The players can't concentrate in any one format, and the team can't perform decently across the different versions. If they want to be successful in shorter variety, then they need to come up with players who specialize in that variety. And I don't think that they are lacking in talent.

If Bangladesh had players who could clear the boundary with ease, they would be in the team by now. The reason some of the teams are able to rotate players between formats is because of the bench strength they have so that they can give rest to the main players if they are playing weaker teams and Bangladesh does not have that luxury to rotate players between formats just yet.

I would not say that Bangladesh are bad as a team. They get very nervous on the field and it becomes very difficult for Bangladesh to decide what to do from which position.Especially in T20 game they can't understand anything in such a short time.That's why they are very weak in playing T20.Again, they are quite good for playing ODIs.And especially in the Bangladesh team, there is a lack of people who can lead now. There was a time when Mashrafe bin Mortaza was the leader, but the team was generally better.Anyway I would say Bangladesh team should be stronger and they should study a lot.

Just look Bangladesh got membership in ICC on June 26, 2000. Defiantly Bangladesh is very old in this respect. But comparatively their game has not progressed much. They are still far behind. The position of the Bangladesh team is ninth in the ICC T20 ranking. Apart from this, the progress made in other formats also not be appreciable. They are ranked seventh in ODIs and ninth in Tests format but i appreciate some players of the Bangladesh team who are talented among them all rounder Shakib Al Hassan, Mostafizur Rahman are renowned player in the cricket world.

[Smack That Ace]

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Yeah, i agree BCCI do consider their players as premium assets (more like cash cow). For business point of view i don't see anything wrong in it, actually quite amazing to see them tackling everything (even their fuckups) as far as i understand that's the only reason IPL gets the big fat checks. There is a reason IPL is worth more than All ICC tournaments + Major T-20 leagues put together. IPL is BCCI's brand so why would they risk their brand value by releasing their players.

For cricketing point of view yes it's very frustrating because local players (especially uncapped and retired) don't get to play in other leagues and gain valuable experience but BCCI is in this business for profits like every cricket board.

If we are talking about profits I am inclined to agree that India is doing very well in that matter with cricket. Obviously, India is one of the world's leading cricketing nations and they have been one of the elite since Kapil Dev won the world cup for India. I don't think India ever had to look back from that point. If I'm not mistaken, money was not the strongest point of the Indian team at that time.

But now we all know that things have changed and India has become a superpower in cricket. All thanks to the money that they generate. As a cricket fan, I am not able to 100% support what they are doing. However, at the same time, I have to admit that everything they are doing right now is making them a lot of money. This is also not negatively impacting the team.


Duke

[fuguebtc]

For ECB and CA these amounts are peanuts tbh.
For other boards its beneficial. NZC is also gets a big check from the BCCI cause lots of Kiwis are part of the IPL. SLCB also earned fair amount of money in last season as there were lots of SL players in the every IPL squads, guess more than 10 SL players, even net bowlers.  

Not sure about CA, and even for ECB. Cricket Australia is in a much weaker position when compared to ECB, and their annual revenues are much lower. If my calculation is correct, they receive around $3 million per year from the IPL, which is a significant amount. For the ECB, such amount may be small, but not "insignificant". In case of NZC and SLCB, I agree. A number of Kiwi pacers are now regulars with various IPL sides, so are the spinners from Sri Lanka. For these two boards (along with WICB and CSA), there is a lot of dependence on funds from the IPL.

If the decision of distributing the money evenly between all boards is taken, it is going to hurt the earnings of the big 4 and that's why it's obvious why they did not agree with this decision. I really hope that the ICC will stop being a pussy. ICC should have authority over all cricket boards. The cricket boards will have to listen to ICC in this matter but it feels like that is never the case. This could have been a wise decision taken by the ICC even though it does feel like it could have been a bit unjust for the teams in the big four. But that would have been the most sensible decision overall.