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I'm watching hbm2e vrams from amd. remember radeon vii 100mhs? it is going for 150mhs..at ~200mhs and it blows everyone out of their seats hehe, nvidia killer here at least for mining. older tech have a very high probabilty almost 100% outclassed by newer/better tech, gddr6x-->no miner optimizations yet. as for mining rig density 1 is to 3 is a very good ratio against lower end cards. even if the power consumption is equal, for example (1card)150mhs at 300 watts vs (3card) 150mhs at 300 watts. at 1 is to 4 ratio, it is a no brainer, i'm all in hehe |
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Hey all... firstly i wanted to state that it was NOT me that posted that ETH Morpheus pill or whatever thread that got locked in this forum! Apparently there was a breach here that exposed some user passwords? Anyway, I just logged on and saw that crap and therefore just changed my PW.
Now, on to a few mining questions... I got my 5700XT rig up and running a few days ago, but seems there may be fan issues on 2 of the 4 GPUs i have hooked up so far.
Here is what I am generally seeing (running this on SMOS):
GPU1- MSI 5700XT Gaming: ~49 degrees / 30-40% fan / ~110W
GPU2- MSI 5700XT Gaming: ~46 degrees / 72-80% fan / ~110W
GPU3- Gigabyte 5700XT Gaming OC: ~48 degrees / 70-100% fan / ~110W
GPU4- MSI 5700XT Evoke: ~51 degrees / 30-40% fan / ~110W
My SMOS settings for this rig:
Core MHz: 1300
Memory Mhz: 900
Aggressive Undervolt: On
PowerStage: 5
Target Temp: 68
Min Fan Speed: 30
For reference, this rig is in my garage, next to my 2 1070ti rigs that usually run around 60-66 degrees with about 40% avg fan speed.
Question #1: any idea why GPU's 2 & 3 would be spinning their fans much faster than 1 & 4? Especially strange to me since #1 & #2 are the exact same brand/model, and the temps are not even remotely close to my target temp of 68.
Question #2: are these high fan speeds risky in any way? All things being equal, is there a spin rate that I should be targeting not to exceed?
Question #3: is there a way within SMOS to control the MAX fan speed? The MIN fan speed shows up in the OC window but cant see anything to set the MAX.
If it is not good to have these high fan speeds, my school of thought is to reduce those even if it results in higher temps since current temps seem to be quite low around 50. Or, is there something about 5700 series that they need to run much cooler than 1070ti's or rx 470's?
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September 09, 2020, 11:22:55 PM
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Hey all... firstly i wanted to state that it was NOT me that posted that ETH Morpheus pill or whatever thread that got locked in this forum! Apparently there was a breach here that exposed some user passwords? Anyway, I just logged on and saw that crap and therefore just changed my PW.
Now, on to a few mining questions... I got my 5700XT rig up and running a few days ago, but seems there may be fan issues on 2 of the 4 GPUs i have hooked up so far.
Here is what I am generally seeing (running this on SMOS):
GPU1- MSI 5700XT Gaming: ~49 degrees / 30-40% fan / ~110W
GPU2- MSI 5700XT Gaming: ~46 degrees / 72-80% fan / ~110W
GPU3- Gigabyte 5700XT Gaming OC: ~48 degrees / 70-100% fan / ~110W
GPU4- MSI 5700XT Evoke: ~51 degrees / 30-40% fan / ~110W
My SMOS settings for this rig:
Core MHz: 1300
Memory Mhz: 900
Aggressive Undervolt: On
PowerStage: 5
Target Temp: 68
Min Fan Speed: 30
For reference, this rig is in my garage, next to my 2 1070ti rigs that usually run around 60-66 degrees with about 40% avg fan speed.
Question #1: any idea why GPU's 2 & 3 would be spinning their fans much faster than 1 & 4? Especially strange to me since #1 & #2 are the exact same brand/model, and the temps are not even remotely close to my target temp of 68.
Question #2: are these high fan speeds risky in any way? All things being equal, is there a spin rate that I should be targeting not to exceed?
Question #3: is there a way within SMOS to control the MAX fan speed? The MIN fan speed shows up in the OC window but cant see anything to set the MAX.
If it is not good to have these high fan speeds, my school of thought is to reduce those even if it results in higher temps since current temps seem to be quite low around 50. Or, is there something about 5700 series that they need to run much cooler than 1070ti's or rx 470's?
I don't have any of those cards, but my research showed that they run hot and you may have to underclock/under-volt, I hope that is not the case. Just a question: all things considered, isn't the 5600xt a better option? |
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September 10, 2020, 12:11:04 AM |
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Hey all... firstly i wanted to state that it was NOT me that posted that ETH Morpheus pill or whatever thread that got locked in this forum! Apparently there was a breach here that exposed some user passwords? Anyway, I just logged on and saw that crap and therefore just changed my PW.
Now, on to a few mining questions... I got my 5700XT rig up and running a few days ago, but seems there may be fan issues on 2 of the 4 GPUs i have hooked up so far.
Here is what I am generally seeing (running this on SMOS):
GPU1- MSI 5700XT Gaming: ~49 degrees / 30-40% fan / ~110W
GPU2- MSI 5700XT Gaming: ~46 degrees / 72-80% fan / ~110W
GPU3- Gigabyte 5700XT Gaming OC: ~48 degrees / 70-100% fan / ~110W
GPU4- MSI 5700XT Evoke: ~51 degrees / 30-40% fan / ~110W
My SMOS settings for this rig:
Core MHz: 1300
Memory Mhz: 900
Aggressive Undervolt: On
PowerStage: 5
Target Temp: 68
Min Fan Speed: 30
For reference, this rig is in my garage, next to my 2 1070ti rigs that usually run around 60-66 degrees with about 40% avg fan speed.
Question #1: any idea why GPU's 2 & 3 would be spinning their fans much faster than 1 & 4? Especially strange to me since #1 & #2 are the exact same brand/model, and the temps are not even remotely close to my target temp of 68.
Question #2: are these high fan speeds risky in any way? All things being equal, is there a spin rate that I should be targeting not to exceed?
Question #3: is there a way within SMOS to control the MAX fan speed? The MIN fan speed shows up in the OC window but cant see anything to set the MAX.
If it is not good to have these high fan speeds, my school of thought is to reduce those even if it results in higher temps since current temps seem to be quite low around 50. Or, is there something about 5700 series that they need to run much cooler than 1070ti's or rx 470's?
some msi cards are nuts about the fan speed. but try the options Memory UV (MVDD): 1275,1275,1275,1275 Memory UV (MVDDCI): 775,775,775,775 or Memory UV (MVDD) 1300,1300,1300,1300 Memory UV (MVDDCI) 800,800,800,800 stock is 1350 850 and may make the memory hot which will speed the fans I have gone as low as 1250 750 but usually 1300 800 is the one that works best. |
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September 10, 2020, 02:17:28 AM |
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Hey all... firstly i wanted to state that it was NOT me that posted that ETH Morpheus pill or whatever thread that got locked in this forum! Apparently there was a breach here that exposed some user passwords? Anyway, I just logged on and saw that crap and therefore just changed my PW.
Now, on to a few mining questions... I got my 5700XT rig up and running a few days ago, but seems there may be fan issues on 2 of the 4 GPUs i have hooked up so far.
Here is what I am generally seeing (running this on SMOS):
GPU1- MSI 5700XT Gaming: ~49 degrees / 30-40% fan / ~110W
GPU2- MSI 5700XT Gaming: ~46 degrees / 72-80% fan / ~110W
GPU3- Gigabyte 5700XT Gaming OC: ~48 degrees / 70-100% fan / ~110W
GPU4- MSI 5700XT Evoke: ~51 degrees / 30-40% fan / ~110W
My SMOS settings for this rig:
Core MHz: 1300
Memory Mhz: 900
Aggressive Undervolt: On
PowerStage: 5
Target Temp: 68
Min Fan Speed: 30
For reference, this rig is in my garage, next to my 2 1070ti rigs that usually run around 60-66 degrees with about 40% avg fan speed.
Question #1: any idea why GPU's 2 & 3 would be spinning their fans much faster than 1 & 4? Especially strange to me since #1 & #2 are the exact same brand/model, and the temps are not even remotely close to my target temp of 68.
Question #2: are these high fan speeds risky in any way? All things being equal, is there a spin rate that I should be targeting not to exceed?
Question #3: is there a way within SMOS to control the MAX fan speed? The MIN fan speed shows up in the OC window but cant see anything to set the MAX.
If it is not good to have these high fan speeds, my school of thought is to reduce those even if it results in higher temps since current temps seem to be quite low around 50. Or, is there something about 5700 series that they need to run much cooler than 1070ti's or rx 470's?
some msi cards are nuts about the fan speed. but try the options Memory UV (MVDD): 1275,1275,1275,1275 Memory UV (MVDDCI): 775,775,775,775 or Memory UV (MVDD) 1300,1300,1300,1300 Memory UV (MVDDCI) 800,800,800,800 stock is 1350 850 and may make the memory hot which will speed the fans I have gone as low as 1250 750 but usually 1300 800 is the one that works best. Thanks Phil... I am still trying to learn about the nuances of SMOS (and new line of GPUs) so I really appreciate the tips! To clarify, I should try setting MVDD to 1300 & MVDDCI to 800 in addition to leaving the 1300/900 I have specified in the Core&Mem MHz sections, correct? |
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RTX3090 can do 111.5mhs? Anybody has more info about this?  |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully  |
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September 11, 2020, 04:04:23 AM |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully I pressed my Shenzen source for target selling price for 3090 but no news yet, however my local supplier hinted likely above 1k. Hmmmmm..... |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully I pressed my Shenzen source for target selling price for 3090 but no news yet, however my local supplier hinted likely above 1k. Hmmmmm..... 3090 is the only gpu that is useful for personal use (best experience with the latest tech). 4k gaming 120 - 144 fps partnered with 32in 4k 120/144hz monitor (fps and hz in sync). huge monitors like around 43in more or less (latest huge monitors are in 60hz refresh rate currently), huge monitors needs 8k to be an eye candy, 3090 is 60fps at 8k. for me, good mining density starts with 1 is to 3...3 low end cards vs 1 high end card, like 3x 3090 = 9x 3070. 1 is to 2.5x is a hard choice, you might still get the 3x or more in some coins hehe. |
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September 11, 2020, 06:47:04 AM |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully No, Eth is memory bound, 3080 and 3090 have the same memory type and speed so the minor difference we will see would be due to 320 vs 384bit bus width. And this isnt on-die HBM, dont expect 90+ on anything. I pressed my Shenzen source for target selling price for 3090 but no news yet, however my local supplier hinted likely above 1k. Hmmmmm.....
No, prices would not be lower than the founders edition on almost anything. Not this year at-least. |
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September 11, 2020, 09:27:50 AM
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully No, Eth is memory bound, 3080 and 3090 have the same memory type and speed so the minor difference we will see would be due to 320 vs 384bit bus width. And this isnt on-die HBM, dont expect 90+ on anything. 1080 is 35mhs 1080ti is 50mhs that's 42.8% difference between 1080 and 1080ti, both gddr5x 3080 is 100mhs (there is a post that says 115mhs at 300w) if you do the math of adding 42% of 3080 to 100mhs that's 142mhs. now nvidia says 3090 as titan like(they phased out titan, this is the new titan), if 3080ti is not released yet, then 3090 is better than 3080ti if 3090 is better than 3080ti, then 150mhs is not impossible. |
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September 11, 2020, 09:44:27 AM
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully No, Eth is memory bound, 3080 and 3090 have the same memory type and speed so the minor difference we will see would be due to 320 vs 384bit bus width. And this isnt on-die HBM, dont expect 90+ on anything. 1080 is 35mhs 1080ti is 50mhs that's 42.8% difference between 1080 and 1080ti, both gddr5x 3080 is 100mhs (there is a post that says 115mhs at 300w) if you do the math of adding 42% of 3080 to 100mhs that's 142mhs. now nvidia says 3090 as titan like(they phased out titan, this is the new titan), if 3080ti is not released yet, then 3090 is better than 3080ti if 3090 is better than 3080ti, then 150mhs is not impossible. XD you cannot add 42% and say "yes thats the hashrate" XD And a screenshot say nothing. Wait i make a screenshot with 2000mh hashrate for the 3070, you believe this? you will see, 3080 nothing more than 70mh. Example: 2080ti 616 GBps can do 52mh RTX 3070 512 GBps are around 83% from 2080ti so hashrate 43mh but i think the 30x0 is a bit faster so it can do 45mh RTX 3080 760 Gbps are around 123 from 2080ti so hashrate 63mh but i think the 30x0 is a bit faster so it can do 65mh In the past, much people say AMD RX5700 will reach 70 or 80 mh, but what is the fact? |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully No, Eth is memory bound, 3080 and 3090 have the same memory type and speed so the minor difference we will see would be due to 320 vs 384bit bus width. And this isnt on-die HBM, dont expect 90+ on anything. 1080 is 35mhs 1080ti is 50mhs that's 42.8% difference between 1080 and 1080ti, both gddr5x 3080 is 100mhs (there is a post that says 115mhs at 300w) if you do the math of adding 42% of 3080 to 100mhs that's 142mhs. now nvidia says 3090 as titan like(they phased out titan, this is the new titan), if 3080ti is not released yet, then 3090 is better than 3080ti if 3090 is better than 3080ti, then 150mhs is not impossible. XD you cannot add 42% and say "yes thats the hashrate" XD And a screenshot say nothing. Wait i make a screenshot with 2000mh hashrate for the 3070, you believe this? you will see, 3080 nothing more than 70mh. In the past, much people say AMD RX5700 will reach 70 or 80 mh, but what is the fact? LOL dude, 1080 and 1080ti are old hehehe ... screenshots are for the ones who didn't see the hashrate yet  |
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully No, Eth is memory bound, 3080 and 3090 have the same memory type and speed so the minor difference we will see would be due to 320 vs 384bit bus width. And this isnt on-die HBM, dont expect 90+ on anything. 1080 is 35mhs 1080ti is 50mhs that's 42.8% difference between 1080 and 1080ti, both gddr5x 3080 is 100mhs (there is a post that says 115mhs at 300w) if you do the math of adding 42% of 3080 to 100mhs that's 142mhs. now nvidia says 3090 as titan like(they phased out titan, this is the new titan), if 3080ti is not released yet, then 3090 is better than 3080ti if 3090 is better than 3080ti, then 150mhs is not impossible. XD you cannot add 42% and say "yes thats the hashrate" XD And a screenshot say nothing. Wait i make a screenshot with 2000mh hashrate for the 3070, you believe this? you will see, 3080 nothing more than 70mh. In the past, much people say AMD RX5700 will reach 70 or 80 mh, but what is the fact? LOL dude, 1080 and 1080ti are old hehehe ... screenshots are for the ones who didn't see the hashrate yet LOL dude read my post again. I edited. I know that, and what will you say me with your sentense? You say there is screenshot with 115mh. Where? There is screenshot from a table. So i make screenshot from a table, where i write 2000mh per card, you believe this? |
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September 11, 2020, 10:12:08 AM
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miner software optimization might get 3090 to 150mhs...hopefully No, Eth is memory bound, 3080 and 3090 have the same memory type and speed so the minor difference we will see would be due to 320 vs 384bit bus width. And this isnt on-die HBM, dont expect 90+ on anything. 1080 is 35mhs 1080ti is 50mhs that's 42.8% difference between 1080 and 1080ti, both gddr5x 3080 is 100mhs (there is a post that says 115mhs at 300w) if you do the math of adding 42% of 3080 to 100mhs that's 142mhs. now nvidia says 3090 as titan like(they phased out titan, this is the new titan), if 3080ti is not released yet, then 3090 is better than 3080ti if 3090 is better than 3080ti, then 150mhs is not impossible. XD you cannot add 42% and say "yes thats the hashrate" XD And a screenshot say nothing. Wait i make a screenshot with 2000mh hashrate for the 3070, you believe this? you will see, 3080 nothing more than 70mh. In the past, much people say AMD RX5700 will reach 70 or 80 mh, but what is the fact? LOL dude, 1080 and 1080ti are old hehehe ... screenshots are for the ones who didn't see the hashrate yet LOL dude read my post again. I edited. I know that, and what will you say me with your sentense? You say there is screenshot with 115mh. Where? There is screenshot from a table. So i make screenshot from a table, where i write 2000mh per card, you believe this? there are already two sources pointing to ~100mhs anyway for your sake here is a 1080 and 1080ti comparison  anyway my point is about 150mhs "possibility" from gddr5x to 6 to 6x. that's two vram generation leaps. understand the analogy. then you will understand why it is a "possibility" unless you already bought a lot of 5700xt already hehehe
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2080ti 616 GBps can do 52mh
RTX 3070 512 GBps are around 83% from 2080ti so hashrate 43mh but i think the 30x0 is a bit faster so it can do 45mh
RTX 3080 760 Gbps are around 123 from 2080ti so hashrate 63mh but i think the 30x0 is a bit faster so it can do 65mh
no wonder...you still think that 2080ti is 52mh (probably taken from whattomine) while my 1080ti is 50.5 mhs LOL . i can smell AMD cards around you hehehe there is no need for fanboi-ism for miners...actually i really want the hbm2e from amd for my next upgrade. |
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If it does 150 at 180 watts and only costs 1000 it is a good card. Really good. But if it does 150 at 230 watts and costs 1500 it is less good. Here is usa price 1499 get notified for purchase of it. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3090/Now a 5700 can be found for 350 it will do 52 so 3 will do 156 at 375watts at wall for 1050 and this may do 150 at 230 watts at wall for 1499 a 449usd in the hole for a little less hash. Say hash is equal to the 3 then you are saving 145 watts an hour or 3.5 k-watts a day that is: 10.5 cents a day at 3 cent power or 4761 days 21.0 cents a day at 6 cent power or 2380 days 31.5 cents a day at 9 cent power or 1587 days 42.0 cents a day at 12 cent power or 1190 days 52.5 cents a day at 15 cent power or 952 days now granted it may take 1 or 1.45 slot space. vs 3 slot space. But with these boards below. https://www.ebay.com/itm/biostar-TB250-BTC-D-Pro-Motherboard-Mining-w-CPU-RAM/124292825096?running 4 of these 3090 vs 12 5700 xt. same hash rate so 155 vs 465 add a decent cooler 175 vs 525 and 1 apw3+ vs 3 apw3+ is 30 vs 90 so 205 to setup 4x 3090 or 615 to setup 12 5700 xt both do 600mh the 3090 is 6000+205 = 6205. uses about 1000-1100 watts the 5700xt is 4200+615 = 4815 uses about 1500-1600 watts so maybe you save 12 kwatts a day 3 cent power = 36 cents. daily. 3861 days 6 cent power = 72 cents. daily. 1930 days 9 cent power = 1.08 usd. daily. 1287 days 12 cent power = 1.44 usd daily. 965 days 15 cent power = 1.80 usd daily. 772 days 1390 more to set up So you can see it is not a big deal if it does 150 at 230 watts Heck to be a big deal at 1400 price it needs to do 150 at less then 150 watts cause you would then save 20 kwatts a day if it did 150 watts a card vs 230 or 3 cent = 60 cents. or 2316 days 6 cent = 1.20. or 1158 9 cent = 1.80. or. 772 12 cent = 2.40. or 579 days 15 cent = 3.00 or. 463 days so even if it does 150 mh at 150 watts the price of 1499 makes it not the best mining card. I would buy 1 or 2 of them and use with my thread rippers. |
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1390 more to set up
i'll get along with your analogy. $ 1390 more.. for people who think 4 card is a hell lot more easier to manage than 12 card rig? for people who are thinking of higher resell value? for people who think they can have more coins to mine(nvidia has more options than amd)? is 1390 more worth it?.. for me yes...I was able to travel the previous years while those rigs are mining hehe |
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