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May 30, 2019, 09:27:56 PM
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Yeah, and the pump was while China was asleep. That post was fake news of fake news to give an excuse of BsV’s price pump during this brilliant CoinGeek Conference (the actual result of the pump). < snip paranoia >

The buying started around 08.30 UTC May 29, about ninety minutes before the fakenews WeChat was posted (10.05 UTC*), after which time the pump immediately accelerated.
*18.05 CST. China is asleep at six in the evening?
The Coingeek Conference opened to the public at 13.00 UTC May 30, over 24 hours after the start of the market manipulation, not during it.
Since it opened the BSV price has gone down. Profit taking on the goody bag pump?
Unless, by during, you are referring to the start of the prior Dev Day, which was roughly contemporaneous to the manipulation?
Maybe some geeks were chatting in the accreditation queue and decided to splash out a billion or so to pass the time?



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Yeah, and the pump was while China was asleep. That post was fake news of fake news to give an excuse of BsV’s price pump during this brilliant CoinGeek Conference (the actual result of the pump). < snip paranoia >

The buying started around 08.30 UTC May 29, about ninety minutes before the fakenews WeChat was posted (10.05 UTC*), after which time the pump immediately accelerated.
*18.05 CST. China is asleep at six in the evening?
The Coingeek Conference opened to the public at 13.00 UTC May 30, over 24 hours after the start of the market manipulation, not during it.
Since it opened the BSV price has gone down. Profit taking on the goody bag pump?
Unless, by during, you are referring to the start of the prior Dev Day, which was roughly contemporaneous to the manipulation?
Maybe some geeks were chatting in the accreditation queue and decided to splash out a billion or so to pass the time?


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May 30, 2019, 11:33:09 PM
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Be aware !

OP deleting rebuttals

This is not a self moderated thread. Self moderated threads cannot be created in scam accusation. If your posts are getting deleted, it's a moderator, not the OP. (Although the OP or anyone else can report your posts to the moderator.)
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May 31, 2019, 02:53:36 AM
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The OP predicted a 0$ BSV last week, he’s  100% wrong on that

Wrong. I never said that. Why do you insist on lying with your every breath?

Think I must have struck quite a nerve with you this time.

Oh, I see the problem now: BSV is down 16% in the last 20 hours.

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What does this even mean? You got caught lying about China and this is your response?

Be aware !

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I didn't even report your post, but I bet you were double-posting and somebody reported it.

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May 31, 2019, 04:56:09 AM
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Disclaimer

Of course, as has been highly circulated among BSV proponents as of late, its true that "you cannot prove a negative" -- we cannot "prove" that Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto. However, as it serves as a warning to potential investors, this scam accusation will not be retracted until Wright has provided adequate proof that he is Satoshi, and accept that the burden of proof lies upon him. Upon successfully doing so in the presence of the public and the bitcoin community, this thread we be rescinded.

It should be noted that this post does not imply that Craig Wright is a scammer and BSV is a scam per se, but the evidence presented in this post suggests that there is a strong likelihood of such, and therefore those who are considering investing in BSV on the pretense that Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto are encouraged to exercise extreme caution before investing in this project.

*By "fake team member" I am inferring that Wright is claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto without providing adequate proof of such.

** By "plagiarized white paper" I am inferring that Wright is claiming to have written a body of text that he did not write (the Bitcoin white paper).

Logically you can prove a negative, though it tends to be harder.

CSW can sue anyone, but as a public figure it's very difficult, particularly in the U.S. He would actually have to prove not only that the statements are untrue and damaging, but also that they were known to be untrue. All you have done is provide publicly available information.

There's a reason he is suing people in the UK and not the U.S. In the U.S., he'd get his ass handed to him.
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May 31, 2019, 06:30:44 AM
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it does not matter who the inventor is, him is considered the one who first registered the patent for the invention
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May 31, 2019, 06:41:44 AM
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it does not matter who the inventor is, him is considered the one who first registered the patent for the invention

K, regardless of the fact that you are contradicting yourself, you are therefore saying that Ronald Keala Kua Maria invented bitcoin.

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The Hawaiian Who Registered the White Paper Before Wright

There’s Ronald Keala Kua Maria, a resident from Hawaii who copyrighted the Bitcoin white paper, back in August 2016 with registration no. TXu 002037698. News.Bitcoin.com reported on Kua Maria claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto back in June 2018. Not only did Kua Maria copyright the white paper, but he also copyrighted a decent number of other trademarks and words like “Bitcoin Cash.”

https://news.bitcoin.com/us-copyright-office-responds-to-craig-wrights-bitcoin-registrations/

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May 31, 2019, 08:47:54 AM
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Why do not you consider this version of events?
Craig recognized the identity of Satoshi and his place of residence, visited him together with his boyfriend and stole or took the private keys!
Why hasn't he signed the address yet?
Waiting for a better price.
And if you provide a signature? What's next? The community will reject it anyway.
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May 31, 2019, 09:56:53 AM
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Why do not you consider this version of events?
Craig recognized the identity of Satoshi and his place of residence, visited him together with his boyfriend and stole or took the private keys!
Why hasn't he signed the address yet?
Waiting for a better price.
And if you provide a signature? What's next? The community will reject it anyway.

Your logic doesn't stand very well.
If he had the private keys to 1MBTC, you could safely bet that he would have cashed out some amount, long before the last ATH.
But he hasn't - because he doesn't.
That said, if Craig ever provides a signature (not), of course the community will reject it, & of course BTC will come crumbling down (taking everything with it).
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Why do not you consider this version of events?
Craig recognized the identity of Satoshi and his place of residence, visited him together with his boyfriend and stole or took the private keys!
Why hasn't he signed the address yet?
Waiting for a better price.
And if you provide a signature? What's next? The community will reject it anyway.

... long before the last ATH.
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And if he found Satoshi after ATH?
I did not say that he found it until 2017! May before filing the registration of whitepaper
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May 31, 2019, 10:29:17 AM
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Why do not you consider this version of events?
Craig recognized the identity of Satoshi and his place of residence, visited him together with his boyfriend and stole or took the private keys!
Why hasn't he signed the address yet?
Waiting for a better price.
And if you provide a signature? What's next? The community will reject it anyway.

... long before the last ATH.
....

And if he found Satoshi after ATH?
I did not say that he found it until 2017! May before filing the registration of whitepaper

You mean if hacked his way to Satoshi's private keys recently? Chances are very slim - next to zero.
He is an imposter bro. Everything he says or does is surrounded by shittery.
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 Dr. Craig owns 1M BTC of Satoshi in Tulip Trust. Access to these bitcoins will be provided to him in January 2020
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May 31, 2019, 10:35:56 AM
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it does not matter who the inventor is, him is considered the one who first registered the patent for the invention
Who are you trying to convince ?

https://cointelegraph.com/news/staking-claim-on-bitcoin-does-craig-wrights-copyright-filing-hold-legal-merit

"This copyright registration doesn't prove anything about who wrote the bitcoin white paper," cryptocurrency author David Gerard told Cointelegraph. "Anyone can file a copyright registration on anything — there's no checking. You're just making a claim. Multiple people can claim the same work." Indeed, almost anyone could register a similar claim, so long as they have $35 to spare and know how to fill in an application form.
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copyright will remain him with if no one can refute
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May 31, 2019, 10:47:03 AM
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Dr. Craig owns 1M BTC of Satoshi in Tulip Trust. Access to these bitcoins will be provided to him in January 2020

Tulip Trust is another (failed) attempt of his (not a doctor ffs) fraudulent nature.
We'll be here on Jan 2020, and I will quote you with this on every single - full of lies - post you make.

copyright will remain him with if no one can refute

No one? How about the Chinese guy? How about myself or anybody for that matter? It's a blunt lie you fucking shill.
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At first, I wasn't too sure about the whole "scam accusation" thread as I think anyone has the right to invest and believe in a coin, even the shittiest one.
But the more I read morons like alevlaslo, the more I tend to think they're either being paid to shill that BullShitVision or they're just trolling.
Either way, this is pure dishonesty. How is it ok to pump a coin with such obvious lies (Binance's relisting, the whole copyright story, the 50k moving...) ? People are losing money because of you idiots !
Calvin Ayre is a pedo and a scammer, Wright is probably just a puppet but still a scammer.
How can you guys support such individuals and how they do business ?

You wanna debate about technology ? Ok, I have no problem with that. But stop spreading fake news because for that you will be tagged.
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I am gonna put this here, obviously nobody cares about such things as proofs.

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‘It was tense and there was a bit of shouting. There were a few drops during the day about “the evil businessman in the room”,’ MacGregor said. ‘He stopped short of accusing Gavin of having a key-logger, but he clearly wasn’t going to do it. He said he had trust issues, and he’d been attacked, and it had been so long, and he just couldn’t bring himself over the line today, but they should keep talking. And Gavin was willing to do that. But we were like: “No, no, no”. I remember what I said. I said, “Look, Craig, you’ve just been alone for way too long. Gavin has dedicated a huge chunk of his life to what you invented. I think he has the right to see this. He is the friend you don’t have: Stefan and I can’t fill that role for you; Ramona can’t. This is someone who really understands what you have been trying to do.”’

There were long silences. ‘He was on the edge,’ MacGregor said. Matthews was practically holding his breath. He didn’t want to say too much out loud, so he texted MacGregor. The text said: ‘He should call Ramona.’ While MacGregor was out of the room Wright phoned his wife, and she said: ‘Do it.’ Everyone waited with bated breath as Wright used the new laptop to open the Satoshi wallet and set about signing a new message to Andresen. It failed. It wouldn’t verify. He tried it again and again, until Andresen remembered that Wright hadn’t typed ‘CSW’ at the end of the message the way he had in the original, the one he was seeking to verify. When he put ‘CSW’ at the end of his message to Gavin it said: ‘Verified’. Wright had demonstrated, on a brand-new laptop, that he held Satoshi’s private key. They stood up and shook hands and Gavin thanked him for all he had done. There were tears in Wright’s eyes. ‘His voice was breaking,’ MacGregor told me. ‘Gavin could see he was going though something.’ Both MacGregor and Matthews later said that Wright was turned inside out by the session. ‘I didn’t want to just put him in a taxi,’ MacGregor said. Andresen was wiped out, so he went to get some fish and chips, and then headed to bed. ‘Craig broke down,’ MacGregor told me. ‘He said he thought he’d never have to do this. He said he never knew how to trust people in his life.’ Wright and Matthews and MacGregor went off to find a bottle of wine. ‘He was semi-apologising for being a pain in the ass,’ MacGregor told me, ‘but I understood more than ever, at that point, how hard the whole thing was for him.’

When I asked Andresen if he thought ending the Satoshi mystery might be good for the technology, he wasn’t sure. ‘On one hand,’ he said, ‘having a mysterious founder is a great creation myth. People love a creation myth. Knowing the real story might make bitcoin less interesting to people. On the other hand, money is supposed to be boring – something that “just works”, used by most people without understanding how or why it works. I’m excited to see how Craig contributes to making bitcoin work even better than it does today.’ I later met with Jon Matonis, who had been through his own proof session with Wright. He was equally impressed and relieved. He too believed the search for Satoshi had come to an end and he was looking forward to working with Wright, to seeing the patents and the new blockchain ideas. During our lunch in Notting Hill, Matonis suggested that this technology would change the world. One of the scientists said to me, ‘This isn’t Bitcoin 2.0. This is something magnificent that will change who we are. This is Life 2.0,’ and Matonis agreed.

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May 31, 2019, 11:17:09 AM
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Dr. Craig owns 1M BTC of Satoshi in Tulip Trust. Access to these bitcoins will be provided to him in January 2020

Tulip Trust is another (failed) attempt of his (not a doctor ffs) fraudulent nature.
We'll be here on Jan 2020, and I will quote you with this on every single - full of lies - post you make.

copyright will remain him with if no one can refute

No one? How about the Chinese guy? How about myself or anybody for that matter? It's a blunt lie you fucking shill.

you took his BTC name from him at the expense of a large hashrate, then you took the bch name in the same way. Now he is against you acts in a similar method, wants to return name of but already with the help of law, do not be offended

the Chinese will not be able to refute, he has less evidence base
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May 31, 2019, 11:36:07 AM
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it does not matter who the inventor is, him is considered the one who first registered the patent for the invention

So Pablo Escobar's brother is Satoshi then.

Yes he registred years before. Only thing is he did not renew his claim.

Once again BSV shills fail.
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I am gonna put this here, obviously nobody cares about such things as proofs.

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‘It was tense and there was a bit of shouting.
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You didn't put a source for your text, which is:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n13/andrew-ohagan/the-satoshi-affair

The story also says this:

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It was about 5.30 p.m. when he finally logged on to his laptop to do for Andresen what he had done for me in his office at home, sign a message with the key and have it verified. Andresen looked on. Wright had just used Satoshi’s key. At that point, it seemed to some of those in the room that Andresen’s body language had changed; he seemed slightly awed by the situation. He reached over to his bag and took out a brand-new USB stick and removed it from its wrapping. He took out his own laptop. ‘I need to test it on my computer,’ he said. He added that he was convinced, but that if people were going to ask him, he had to be able to say that he’d checked it independently. He pointed to Wright’s laptop and said it could all have been pre-loaded on there, though he knew that was unlikely. But he had to check on his own computer and then they would be done. He said the key could be used on his laptop and saved to the memory stick and that Wright could keep it. But for his own peace of mind, and for due diligence, so that there wasn’t a chance of fraud, he had to see it work on a computer that wasn’t Wright’s own.

Wright suddenly baulked. He had just signed a message to Andresen from Satoshi, he said, and had demonstrated his complete familiarity with their correspondence, but, in his mind, what Andresen was now asking for was of a different order. ‘I had vowed,’ Wright told me, ‘never to show the key publicly and never to let it go. I trusted Andresen, but I couldn’t do it.’ Wright got up from the table and started pacing. He had clearly believed he would be able to get through the proof session without this. In fact, he had said in my presence several times over the preceding months that he would never hand the key over to anyone or allow it to be copied or used on someone else’s machine. ‘I do not want to categorically prove keys across machines,’ he wrote to me in an email. To him, this would be to give Satoshi away and perhaps to dilute his own proclaimed connection to him. He went to a chair in the corner of the room and looked up at Andresen. ‘Maybe you and I could get to know each other better,’ he said.

Andresen just nodded his assent. ‘Like, trade more emails,’ Wright said, ‘and I can sign more messages to you.’

At this point, Matthews’s blood ran cold. ‘It was the only time during all the years that I thought: “Jesus Christ, has he been spinning us the whole time?”’ MacGregor too felt this was a very risky moment. He glanced at Matthews. There was no way he was going to let Andresen get back on the plane with that as a punctuation mark. They all felt Wright’s behaviour was ludicrous: he’d demonstrated that he was Satoshi and only had to let this be verified on Gavin’s laptop. End of story.

Wright's supposed signing of messages for the BBC and Andrew O'Hagan were refuted by several other cryptography and blockchain experts, including Pieter Wuille, Christopher Jeffrey and Greg Maxwell.

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After the show aired, veteran cryptographers quickly pointed out that the BBC reporters and Andrew O’Hagan were seemingly duped. The long-winded London Review of Books story that describes O’Hagan’s experience hanging out with Wright for months shows O’Hagan had no clue what Wright was actually signing. Moreover, well-known cryptocurrency developers like Pieter Wuille, Christopher Jeffrey and Greg Maxwell showed the public how Wright pulled off his signing parlor trick.



In addition to all of this, Vitalik Buterin put it most perfectly when speaking at a conference with Gavin Andresen. Basically, Buterin posed the question of why would Wright choose to go the route of proving he could sign a message in front of only a small, select audience when he could just as easily do so in front of the entire world? The fact that he chose the more roundabout way of "proving" something suggests its because he couldn't do it the good way.

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