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June 05, 2019, 10:49:19 AM
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... but .. but Craig Wright is Satoshi... even Gavin Andresen confirmed that.. like he singed a message from a the genesis block addy in front of him /s

Nutildah literally believes he’s greater than Gavin Anderson.

I don't, actually. I simply wonder why Craig can't do the same thing for the general public. If he's Satoshi, it would be incredibly easy to do so. Furthermore, why couldn't he let Gavin verify the signature on his own computer? Even furthermore, if keys don't constitute proof of ownership, like your camp has been saying since Craig bungled his last signature attempt, why did he bother "doing so" for Gavin in the first place?

That’s incorrect, they literally bought a NEW computer at the store, unpackaged it and Craig signed the keys on that computer because Gavin told him to. This was 100% documented in the ‘Satoshi Affair’ piece by Andrew O’Hagan (Who also believes Craig is Lying).

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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June 05, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
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That’s incorrect, they literally bought a NEW computer at the store, unpackaged it and Craig signed the keys on that computer because Gavin told him to. This was 100% documented in the ‘Satoshi Affair’ piece by Andrew O’Hagan (Who also believes Craig is Lying).

What's the point of signing keys ? You are either ignorant or full of bad faith.
I can sign satoshis' keys with my primary BTC address too. Does that makes me satoshi ?  Roll Eyes

The way to authentify Faketoshi's claim that he is "the real satoshi" would be to sign a message saying
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Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto

But signed with an address that has received a 50BTC block reward, from the early days.
Such as ... one of these :


(source : https://bitslog.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/)

Also, it shouldn't be forged, such as demonstrated here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hhreq/how_craig_constructed_the_message_that_he_signed/
Other than that, you can keep spreading FUD and showing "proof of unicorns", it is meaningless nonetheless.

If Satoshi can sign a msg with one addy, why not with the rest of them ?

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June 05, 2019, 01:25:57 PM
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That’s incorrect, they literally bought a NEW computer at the store, unpackaged it and Craig signed the keys on that computer because Gavin told him to. This was 100% documented in the ‘Satoshi Affair’ piece by Andrew O’Hagan (Who also believes Craig is Lying).

What's the point of signing keys ? You are either ignorant or full of bad faith.
I can sign satoshis' keys with my primary BTC address too. Does that makes me satoshi ?  Roll Eyes

The way to authentify Faketoshi's claim that he is "the real satoshi" would be to sign a message saying
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Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto

But signed with an address that has received a 50BTC block reward, from the early days.
Such as ... one of these :


(source : https://bitslog.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/)

Also, it shouldn't be forged, such as demonstrated here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hhreq/how_craig_constructed_the_message_that_he_signed/
Other than that, you can keep spreading FUD and showing "proof of unicorns", it is meaningless nonetheless.

If Satoshi can sign a msg with one addy, why not with the rest of them ?


Why on Earth do you think Gavin Anderson, the person Satoshi passed the project on to would not understand this? Call us all ignorant and in bad faith as you are clearly god.

Edit: speaking of acting in bad faith, you are promoting a mixing service. Where the hell do you think the mixed Bitcoins go? Some poor person is going to end up with your illegally used Bitcoins and yet your trust rating is higher than anyone’s. This whole forum is ran by backwards broke ex scammers who are slowly watching their BTC fortune die.

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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June 05, 2019, 01:51:00 PM
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Why on Earth do you think Gavin Anderson, the person Satoshi passed the project on to would not understand this? Call us all ignorant and in bad faith as you are clearly god.

Here were Gavin Andresen's last words on the issue (he's since distanced himself from it entirely), from his blog:

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I think there are two possibilities.

Either he was Satoshi, but really wants the world to think he isn’t, so he created an impossible-to-untangle web of truths, half-truths and lies. And ruined his reputation in the process.

If he was Satoshi, we should respect his wish to remain anonymous, and ignore him.

(except he's clearly trying his hardest to convince people he is Satoshi, so this possibility is out)

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The other possibility is he is a master scammer/fraudster who managed to trick some pretty smart people over a period of several years.

In which case everybody except the victims of his fraud and law enforcement working on behalf of those victims should ignore him.


So, either he was or he wasn’t. In either case, we should ignore him. I regret ever getting involved in the “who was Satoshi” game, and am going to spend my time on more fun and productive pursuits.

This whole forum is ran by backwards broke ex scammers who are slowly watching their BTC fortune die.

You should probably go hang out in the Bitcoin SV forum then. Didn't you announce your departure like 3 pages ago?

Adios muchacho.

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June 05, 2019, 02:36:43 PM
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Why on Earth do you think Gavin Anderson, the person Satoshi passed the project on to would not understand this? Call us all ignorant and in bad faith as you are clearly god.

Here were Gavin Andresen's last words on the issue (he's since distanced himself from it entirely), from his blog:

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I think there are two possibilities.

Either he was Satoshi, but really wants the world to think he isn’t, so he created an impossible-to-untangle web of truths, half-truths and lies. And ruined his reputation in the process.

If he was Satoshi, we should respect his wish to remain anonymous, and ignore him.

(except he's clearly trying his hardest to convince people he is Satoshi, so this possibility is out)

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The other possibility is he is a master scammer/fraudster who managed to trick some pretty smart people over a period of several years.

In which case everybody except the victims of his fraud and law enforcement working on behalf of those victims should ignore him.


So, either he was or he wasn’t. In either case, we should ignore him. I regret ever getting involved in the “who was Satoshi” game, and am going to spend my time on more fun and productive pursuits.

This whole forum is ran by backwards broke ex scammers who are slowly watching their BTC fortune die.

You should probably go hang out in the Bitcoin SV forum then. Didn't you announce your departure like 3 pages ago?

Adios muchacho.

I’m going to continue arguing here. Going against your advice has paid off. It’s been over a year since BTC highs and there is no scaling solution that works yet. You can cheer for 20K BTC and people will need to wait days for overpriced transactions they are better off making with banks.

BSV is ready to scale, the superstore Wal-Mart has been built in the middle of the dessert and we welcome anyone. You guys call Craig and Calvin scammers yet they’ve invested 300 million into mining equipment. They are paying just about anyone to build applications on BSV. They haven’t asked for money, they are giving away money and are paying people to develop on the BSV blockchain. They are trying to stay within the legal framework. These guys are taking risks and they have balls. They don’t care about you trolls. They have money and they can bring you down.

What does BTC have? They have blockstream. A company that wants you to put YOUR Bitcoin on THEIR lightning network. This network still isn’t ready.

This is a clear divide between capitalism (BSV) and socialism (BTC). I fight for capitalism. Anyone can compete in BSV, this is what Bitcoin is, not some second layer third party. I’ll argue this everyday if I have to.

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/05/30/1859754/0/en/Squire-Agrees-to-Purchase-Companies-With-Cloud-Computing-Assets-Totaling-2-985-Petahash-to-Become-One-of-the-World-s-Largest-Public-Crypto-Mining-Companies.html

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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June 05, 2019, 03:45:55 PM
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K jefe. Have it your way.

I've known from early on your mind won't be changed about anything, so I won't try.

Don't say we didn't warn you.

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June 05, 2019, 03:52:25 PM
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Bullshit

Dude.. I am ready to bet 1 BTC that after 1 month BSV will be under $150. Do you have balls to accept my bet ?
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June 05, 2019, 03:58:39 PM
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Bullshit

Dude.. I am ready to bet 1 BTC that after 1 month BSV will be under $150. Do you have balls to accept my bet ?

I don’t believe 1 month is necessary enough time, a 5x increase deserves a long correction. That’s an honest bet though. I’ll give you balls for that.

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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June 05, 2019, 04:02:11 PM
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Bullshit

Dude.. I am ready to bet 1 BTC that after 1 month BSV will be under $150. Do you have balls to accept my bet ?

I don’t believe 1 month is necessary enough time, a 5x increase deserves a long correction. That’s an honest bet though. I’ll give you balls for that.

So you accept my bet. Great. Are you ready to use escrow for our deal?
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June 05, 2019, 05:49:23 PM
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Why on Earth do you think Gavin Anderson, the person Satoshi passed the project on to would not understand this? Call us all ignorant and in bad faith as you are clearly god.

Here were Gavin Andresen's last words on the issue (he's since distanced himself from it entirely), from his blog:

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I think there are two possibilities.

Either he was Satoshi, but really wants the world to think he isn’t, so he created an impossible-to-untangle web of truths, half-truths and lies. And ruined his reputation in the process.

If he was Satoshi, we should respect his wish to remain anonymous, and ignore him.

(except he's clearly trying his hardest to convince people he is Satoshi, so this possibility is out)

Quote
The other possibility is he is a master scammer/fraudster who managed to trick some pretty smart people over a period of several years.

In which case everybody except the victims of his fraud and law enforcement working on behalf of those victims should ignore him.


So, either he was or he wasn’t. In either case, we should ignore him. I regret ever getting involved in the “who was Satoshi” game, and am going to spend my time on more fun and productive pursuits.

This whole forum is ran by backwards broke ex scammers who are slowly watching their BTC fortune die.

You should probably go hang out in the Bitcoin SV forum then. Didn't you announce your departure like 3 pages ago?

Adios muchacho.

I’m going to continue arguing here. Going against your advice has paid off. It’s been over a year since BTC highs and there is no scaling solution that works yet. You can cheer for 20K BTC and people will need to wait days for overpriced transactions they are better off making with banks.

BSV is ready to scale, the superstore Wal-Mart has been built in the middle of the dessert and we welcome anyone. You guys call Craig and Calvin scammers yet they’ve invested 300 million into mining equipment. They are paying just about anyone to build applications on BSV. They haven’t asked for money, they are giving away money and are paying people to develop on the BSV blockchain. They are trying to stay within the legal framework. These guys are taking risks and they have balls. They don’t care about you trolls. They have money and they can bring you down.

What does BTC have? They have blockstream. A company that wants you to put YOUR Bitcoin on THEIR lightning network. This network still isn’t ready.

This is a clear divide between capitalism (BSV) and socialism (BTC). I fight for capitalism. Anyone can compete in BSV, this is what Bitcoin is, not some second layer third party. I’ll argue this everyday if I have to.

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/05/30/1859754/0/en/Squire-Agrees-to-Purchase-Companies-With-Cloud-Computing-Assets-Totaling-2-985-Petahash-to-Become-One-of-the-World-s-Largest-Public-Crypto-Mining-Companies.html


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June 06, 2019, 12:29:33 AM
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Always nice to see a scam confirmed, not that there was much doubt about it anyway....lol

I'm all out of merits I'm afraid, but am tipping my hat to the OP - nice one!!

Warning: Beaxy exchange is lying & refusing to answer questions - BEWARE!!  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2912122.msg50692375#msg50692375   Funniest/stupidest shit list thread ever:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.msg20344174#msg20344174   The ultimate example of trust abuse by exposed scammer craslovell...
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Satoshi Nakamoto talking about scaling in 2008:

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Re: Bitcoin P2P e-cash paper
Satoshi Nakamoto
Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:56:27 -0800


>Satoshi Nakamoto wrote:
>> I've been working on a new electronic cash system that's fully
>> peer-to-peer, with no trusted third party.
>>
>> The paper is available at:
>> http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
>
>We very, very much need such a system, but the way I understand your
>proposal, it does not seem to scale to the required size.
>
>For transferable proof of work tokens to have value, they must have
>monetary value.  To have monetary value, they must be transferred within
>a very large network - for example a file trading network akin to
>bittorrent.
>
>To detect and reject a double spending event in a timely manner, one
>must have most past transactions of the coins in the transaction, which,
>  naively implemented, requires each peer to have most past
>transactions, or most past transactions that occurred recently. If
>hundreds of millions of people are doing transactions, that is a lot of
>bandwidth - each must know all, or a substantial part thereof.
>


Long before the network gets anywhere near as large as that, it would be safe
for users to use Simplified Payment Verification (section Cool to check for
double spending, which only requires having the chain of block headers, or
about 12KB per day.  Only people trying to create new coins would need to run
network nodes.  At first, most users would run network nodes, but as the
network grows beyond a certain point, it would be left more and more to
specialists with server farms of specialized hardware.  A server farm would
only need to have one node on the network and the rest of the LAN connects with
that one node.

The bandwidth might not be as prohibitive as you think.  A typical transaction
would be about 400 bytes (ECC is nicely compact).  Each transaction has to be
broadcast twice, so lets say 1KB per transaction.  Visa processed 37 billion
transactions in FY2008, or an average of 100 million transactions per day. 
That many transactions would take 100GB of bandwidth, or the size of 12 DVD or
2 HD quality movies, or about $18 worth of bandwidth at current prices.

If the network were to get that big, it would take several years, and by then,
sending 2 HD movies over the Internet would probably not seem like a big deal.

Satoshi Nakamoto


https://web.archive.org/web/20081224103058/https://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography%40metzdowd.com/msg09964.html

Bitcoin scales, since it's inception.

BTC isn't, since it's 2017 hard fork.

My negative trust comes from gmaxwell and Lauda, it was given to me for spreading the word about Bitcoin SV. Do your due diligence before making conclusions.
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June 06, 2019, 11:50:20 AM
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Bullshit

Dude.. I am ready to bet 1 BTC that after 1 month BSV will be under $150. Do you have balls to accept my bet ?

I don’t believe 1 month is necessary enough time, a 5x increase deserves a long correction. That’s an honest bet though. I’ll give you balls for that.

So you accept my bet. Great. Are you ready to use escrow for our deal?

I do NOT accept your bet. I thought I was clear before.

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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June 06, 2019, 11:57:37 AM
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Bitcoin scales, since it's inception.

BTC isn't, since it's 2017 hard fork.

K. That's great and all. What does any of that have to do with Craig Wright being a demonstrable fraud? That's what this thread is about, not the merits of different block sizes.

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June 06, 2019, 02:45:31 PM
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Bitcoin scales, since it's inception.

BTC isn't, since it's 2017 hard fork.

K. That's great and all. What does any of that have to do with Craig Wright being a demonstrable fraud? That's what this thread is about, not the merits of different block sizes.

Perhaps you should change the name of the thread because with a stable protocol, no one has power, Craig Wright says it best unfortunately for you. So I fail to see how Bitcoin SV itself is a scam when Craig Wright has the same equal access of control as you do.

Here at 40:15 he says it best

https://youtu.be/26LDWnM7qe4


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June 06, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
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Bullshit

Dude.. I am ready to bet 1 BTC that after 1 month BSV will be under $150. Do you have balls to accept my bet ?

I don’t believe 1 month is necessary enough time, a 5x increase deserves a long correction. That’s an honest bet though. I’ll give you balls for that.

So you accept my bet. Great. Are you ready to use escrow for our deal?

I do NOT accept your bet. I thought I was clear before.

You tried to convince people that BSV will increase X5 very soon. Now it is $191 (Yesterday it was $210) I offered you a bet that after a month it will be under $150. But you refused to accept it.

THIS IS A FINAL CONFIRMATION THAT YOU ARE A PAID SHILL AND A BEGGAR WHO IS TALKING BULLSHIT FOR A COUPLE OF DOLLARS PER MONTH.
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Last edit: June 06, 2019, 10:03:28 PM by mprep
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Bullshit

Dude.. I am ready to bet 1 BTC that after 1 month BSV will be under $150. Do you have balls to accept my bet ?

I don’t believe 1 month is necessary enough time, a 5x increase deserves a long correction. That’s an honest bet though. I’ll give you balls for that.

So you accept my bet. Great. Are you ready to use escrow for our deal?

I do NOT accept your bet. I thought I was clear before.

You tried to convince people that BSV will increase X5 very soon. Now it is $191 (Yesterday it was $210) I offered you a bet that after a month it will be under $150. But you refused to accept it.

THIS IS A FINAL CONFIRMATION THAT YOU ARE A PAID SHILL AND A BEGGAR WHO IS TALKING BULLSHIT FOR A COUPLE OF DOLLARS PER MONTH.

Based on the grounds I did not accept your bet you’ve concluded I make 2$ a month. I guess there’s no in between.



So I fail to see how Bitcoin SV itself is a scam

You fail at a lot of things.

Livecoin eh?

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June 06, 2019, 07:18:20 PM
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"I don't care about them pesky trolls. What I do care about is how much my team of lawyers is gonna cost me as I continue to sue their fuckin asses for libel for espousing false claims that I'm not the one, the only, Satoshi Nakamoto."

Now the first people have received mail from Wright’s lawyers. The first known case is a Twitter user named “Hodlonaut” who is best known for starting the Lightning Torch. He must have repeatedly accused Wright of “fraud” and said Wright wasn’t Satoshi. Above all, however, Hodlonaut has launched the Twitter hash day #CraigWrightIsAFraud, which can be interpreted as the initiation of a campaign against Wright. After his lawyers asked him to delete the tweets and publicly declare in court that Wright was Satoshi, Hodlonaut actually deleted or emptied his Twitter account.



At the same time, other better-known protagonists of the crypto ecosystem received a letter from Wright’s lawyers:
Peter McCormack
Vitalik Buterin
Troll hunters and spilled milk
Craig Wright and his ally Calvin Ayre are currently staging themselves as “Troll Hunters.” In fact, their case is unique in that they are trying to take legal action against a phenomenon that is difficult to tame — the (alleged) slander of a mass of anonymous or pseudonymous participants in online discussions. Their plan is probably to achieve individual, exemplary hits in order to deter all others from repeating the accusations against Wright
Come on: Sue me Craig Wright’s many lawsuits
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June 06, 2019, 07:32:41 PM
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Oh yes, sue Vitalik. I'm not a big fan of him, but he's got shitloads of money and should be able to expose the whole sham if he's forced to.

P.S.: Craig Wright is a fraud.

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June 06, 2019, 07:42:12 PM
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Loving the Jihan Who account on Twitter. He's a huge BSV fan: https://twitter.com/JihanWho/status/1136574359106183169

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