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July 07, 2019, 09:58:02 PM
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Mostly irrelevant, at least to me. I supported the flag after Livecoin came over here and confirmed that they're holding customer's funds hostage because the customer posted some "information". I don't particularly trust the OP's story and I don't have to, but whatever the OP may have posted doesn't excuse Livecoin confiscating OP's funds.

I've asked them and will continue to communicate with them regarding posting their side of the story. What they told me in PM's is the only reason I'm trying to work towards a solution fwiw.

If it's their policy to not share any information regarding specific accounts in public we might have an issue but let's just see what tomorrow brings (I expect them to have some representatives available here then).

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July 07, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
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Telling the end user to contact the developers of Mona and Monero doesn't lend any help to Livecoin's situation either. I believe many exchanges/developers/wallets work together to solve bugs/problems/attacks with various coins. Not sure if it is a language thing or that Livecoin believes it is solely the developers fault and that they need to be 100 percent compensated but something is majorly wrong if they can not open a channel with the developers when coins like Monero are being actively traded, and safely at that for quite awhile since the bugs/attacks.
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July 07, 2019, 10:07:00 PM
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Telling the end user to contact the developers of Mona and Monero doesn't lend any help to Livecoin's situation either. I believe many exchanges/developers/wallets work together to solve bugs/problems/attacks with various coins. Not sure if it is a language thing or that Livecoin believes it is solely the developers fault and that they need to be 100 percent compensated but something is majorly wrong if they can not open a channel with the developers when coins like Monero are being actively traded, and safely at that for quite awhile since the bugs/attacks.

I agree with you. However it seemed as if they were trying to get in contact with MONA but they ignored them? But again it's hard to make decisions and form judgement based on assumption.

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July 07, 2019, 10:20:35 PM
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Telling the end user to contact the developers of Mona and Monero doesn't lend any help to Livecoin's situation either. I believe many exchanges/developers/wallets work together to solve bugs/problems/attacks with various coins. Not sure if it is a language thing or that Livecoin believes it is solely the developers fault and that they need to be 100 percent compensated but something is majorly wrong if they can not open a channel with the developers when coins like Monero are being actively traded, and safely at that for quite awhile since the bugs/attacks.

I agree with you. However it seemed as if they were trying to get in contact with MONA but they ignored them? But again it's hard to make decisions and form judgement based on assumption.
Why aren't they responding? Livecoin has been online on bitcointalk and he has probably seen his this thread as it was linked to in his own topic.

I'm supporting the flag (for now).

I think they have a policy of not discussing anything like this here at bitcointalk. Just like they state in their thread that they won't respond to any questions as they only post updates.

I have sent them a PM about this though and we'll see.

They need to drop this policy and do some damage control. If I have to look at their avatars and signatures daily but can not hear from them during an active scam accusation then there is something wrong. Companies have PR teams, use them and not signature campaign managers / participants. Honestly it looks worse the longer it goes.. hence why people are leaving the signature campaign. They are hiding behind you and the other Livecoin signature participants Hhampuz.. not everyone is out to get you.. most, but not all Wink

Props for trying to follow through but I hardly see anything changing, its why they operate out of Belize with an unknown team. Assumption or not that one is pretty clear as to why these places are chosen as a company's operating location.
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July 08, 2019, 12:25:47 AM
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None of this back and forth matters. The development team is not financially responsible for securing anything short of proving them having been actively engaged in fraud. Everyone invests in these projects at their own risk. Exchanges are responsible for securing assets under its control. The fact that it sat around for months getting robbed is something any halfway competent IT security team would have detected, and is not the responsibility of the development team. As a result of its own negligence it is apparent they are insolvent and do not have the requisite coins to represent its actual token allotment. Given that sorting this out is way more complicated than could be done by such a half assed run company, let alone a team that would have noticed this problem earlier, they are in way over their heads.

Right now I would estimate they are trying to quietly buy into this token and buying time to do so cheaply as they continue to collect trading fees. Holding a customers coins hostage for months is the kind of thing that tends to drive a coins price down. This whole time they are also trying to fumble thru what if any fraudulent accounts are left holding any funds hoping it is significant enough to fill the gap.

Livecoin needs to come clean and stop playing backdoor games. If they don't this is going to be much worse than simply the loss of this one coin holding. Admit fault, issue temporary not withdraw-able tokens to represent the lost funds to be fulfilled over time. Another option would be to "socialize" the losses and give every token holder a haircut for immediate withdrawl. Obviously not going to be popular but being honest about it at least allows people who are not willing to tolerate this response the opportunity to pick other exchanges for future use. Look into the way BTC-E handled it, IMO they did a good job in basically the worst of circumstances. It was a much different cause, but a similar scenario regarding obligations to the customer base but on a larger scale.


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July 08, 2019, 03:48:50 AM
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From their response in this thread they stated that they could/would unlock OP's account, did they not? And if the OP did as LiveCoin claims, threat their staff (we don't have the full details) then there may be more to this than what is being displayed here.
I showed a full history of correspondence with them, why should I hide something, if it will be easily proved?

But now you are just making assumptions of what happened, no? Do you have full records of what was said between the OP and or LiveCoin and their staff? I don't and have seen no such thing as of yet either. If we are to act solely on assumptions then there's some other prominent scam accusation that coincidentally QS is involved in where some of you need to step in and tag the user/s in question.
full records you can read here.
They have already accused me of many times but have never presented evidence, while I always showed them. In the end, according to their words, I was blocked for lying, but if you follow their rules, then lying to is not prohibited, so until now they have not presented any reason for blocking!

Because of their disgusting attitude, for almost a month I did not have access to my money! Why should I incur losses because of their disgusting attitude?!

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July 08, 2019, 05:04:07 AM
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Telling the end user to contact the developers of Mona and Monero doesn't lend any help to Livecoin's situation either. I believe many exchanges/developers/wallets work together to solve bugs/problems/attacks with various coins. Not sure if it is a language thing or that Livecoin believes it is solely the developers fault and that they need to be 100 percent compensated but something is majorly wrong if they can not open a channel with the developers when coins like Monero are being actively traded, and safely at that for quite awhile since the bugs/attacks.

My understanding is that Livecoin expected them to orchestrate some sort of bailout/rollback fork to reverse their losses. The Monacoin developers refused, which is a perfectly respectable position for developers of a POW protocol. An impasse was reached and Livecoin never did anything to rectify the issue and compensate their customers.

Same with Monero. Livecoin simply expects the Monero developers to pay them $1.8 million to reimburse their losses. Legally, the developers have no liability. It's right in their software license! On the other hand, Livecoin is legally liable for the deposits its customers made and now won't pay out.

The way Livecoin is acting, you really have to wonder how deeply insolvent they might be.

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Last edit: July 08, 2019, 08:13:40 AM by mindrust
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That's what happens when you add too many "trash assets" to the exchange and forget to follow how they do.

Other exchanges should see this as an example and stop adding "trash assets" which can get 51% attacked.

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July 08, 2019, 07:11:34 AM
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Let's see how Bittrex will protect against attack 51%



I also spoke about it earlier



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My understanding is that Livecoin expected them to orchestrate some sort of bailout/rollback fork to reverse their losses. The Monacoin developers refused, which is a perfectly respectable position for developers of a POW protocol. An impasse was reached and Livecoin never did anything to rectify the issue and compensate their customers.

Same with Monero. Livecoin simply expects the Monero developers to pay them $1.8 million to reimburse their losses. Legally, the developers have no liability. It's right in their software license! On the other hand, Livecoin is legally liable for the deposits its customers made and now won't pay out.

The way Livecoin is acting, you really have to wonder how deeply insolvent they might be.

One can conjecture about anything they choose to all day long, as some are doing in this thread. Doesn't mean anything, doesn't help anything, doesn't change anything.

The entire issue still revolves around 1 person's complaints against Livecoin. Insolvency would likely involve limiting withdrawals across several other coins than just the 2 they have issues with. You can bet far more than one customer would be complaining about it here. Who else commenting in this thread besides OP has been negatively affected by Livecoin?

As I mentioned earlier the BiteBTC scam accusation thread has literally hundreds of people reporting being ripped off by them, yet there had never been any DT action taken against them until I tagged them several months ago, and after the flag system was introduced, encouraged people who had been scammed to create a flag.

Despite BiteBTC being a much more clear cut example of an exchange engaging in persistent, habitual wrongdoing, only 3 DTs have supported their flag, meanwhile 16 DTs have supported this one...

I'm not saying what Livecoin did was cool, and I hope they reimburse OP with 0.08 BTC or the PPC he had purchased with it (not sure whats actually in his balance), plus the BTC worth of his current MONA stash at Livecoin prices. Exchanges that suffer losses take customer funds all the time by means of "haircuts," which they also justify in their user terms. Its not a great policy, but it does happen.

The only winner here is Quickseller. This is exactly what he hoped would happen. Is there any doubt that he wouldn't give two shits about OP's problem if he hadn't been kicked from the Livecoin campaign? He's had this long-running, stupid smear campaign against Hhampuz for quite some time now; I bet he's enjoying every minute of this.

That's what happens when you add too many "trash assets" to the exchange and forget to follow how they do.

The term "trash asset" is being used by Livecoin to refer to coins created by the fraudulent version of the MONA chain, and whatever b.s. it was that created the extra XMR coins. It is not referring to the actual coins themselves.

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July 08, 2019, 08:08:34 AM
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The entire issue still revolves around 1 person's complaints against Livecoin. Insolvency would likely involve limiting withdrawals across several other coins than just the 2 they have issues with. You can bet far more than one customer would be complaining about it here. Who else commenting in this thread besides OP has been negatively affected by Livecoin?

Insolvency just means inability to pay their obligations. For an exchange Livecoin's size -- even if it's just limited to those two coins -- millions of dollars may be nothing to sneeze at. I don't want to speculate too much about that, but we should acknowledge that -- unlike many other exchanges in their position -- they made no move to make their customers whole. That's a red flag.

The OP put forth the scam accusation, but he's certainly not the only one complaining. Here are a few other examples:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/c40uqf/i_obtained_some_monero_at_wwwlivecoinnet_almost_2/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/brd4nf/livecoinnet_xmr_wallet_offline/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/7m64dy/anyone_know_why_livecoin_doesnt_allow_monero/
https://www.reddit.com/r/livecoin/comments/9q005m/disabled_monero_wallet/

I've also seen complaints about other long-term disabled wallets but I'm not sure on the specifics. I see dozens of coins listed with "N/A" under withdrawal fee -- Monacoin and Monero included -- on Livecoin's site. Can anyone confirm whether those wallets are disabled? Are they like Yobit, keeping various wallets in "maintenance" for months/years at a time?

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Despite BiteBTC being a much more clear cut example of an exchange engaging in persistent, habitual wrongdoing, only 3 DTs have supported their flag, meanwhile 16 DTs have supported this one...

And what should we do?

I think we should ask these DT members to go and flag them as well (those who didn't already). As it is pretty obvious that the BiteBTC case has way more solid evidence of scamming as well as way more people complaining about their practices, we would arguably expect all these DT members to line up to flag BiteBTC, right? So what are you waiting for, guys? Or rather, what are you actually fighting for (or against)?

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because this forum is filled of corrupted people and crew of bastards
we know they

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Last edit: July 08, 2019, 08:33:51 AM by xtraelv
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Let's see how Bittrex will protect against attack 51%



I also spoke about it earlier




Unfortunately 51% attacks are cheap the perform on small coin networks.  

Even 100 confirmations will not guarantee network safety.  I've seen longer 51% attack double spends. It also will make things like arbitrage much more difficult for the honest users of the exchange.


My understanding is that Livecoin expected them to orchestrate some sort of bailout/rollback fork to reverse their losses. The Monacoin developers refused, which is a perfectly respectable position for developers of a POW protocol. An impasse was reached and Livecoin never did anything to rectify the issue and compensate their customers.

Same with Monero. Livecoin simply expects the Monero developers to pay them $1.8 million to reimburse their losses. Legally, the developers have no liability. It's right in their software license! On the other hand, Livecoin is legally liable for the deposits its customers made and now won't pay out.

The way Livecoin is acting, you really have to wonder how deeply insolvent they might be.

It depends on the agreement that livecoin has with the developers. A lot of times developers pay to get their coin onto an exchange - that often is accompanied with contractual obligations.

With a 51% attack with double spend the exploit does not occur on the exchange. The coin networks gives valid confirmations that are later tricked into being orphaned by privately mined blocks.

It means that those mined blocks are neither from a decentralized coin network and also shows that the blockchain is not immutable.

Coin developers have the ability to introduce check-pointing or utilizing a hybrid system that makes it more difficult to mount such an attack on the network.

How does a double spend 51% attack work ? Explanation and examples.

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The entire issue still revolves around 1 person's complaints against Livecoin. Insolvency would likely involve limiting withdrawals across several other coins than just the 2 they have issues with. You can bet far more than one customer would be complaining about it here. Who else commenting in this thread besides OP has been negatively affected by Livecoin?
So now you can steal money from 1 user, is that normal? And after he stops complaining, can you rob the next one? The main thing is not to rob both at the same time, you're just a genius!

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Insolvency just means inability to pay their obligations.

Yes and conjecturing means making assumptions based on incomplete information. You are conjecturing that Livecoin is insolvent. That is simply your guess, wholly unsupported by any _actual_ evidence.

For an exchange Livecoin's size -- even if it's just limited to those two coins -- millions of dollars may be nothing to sneeze at. I don't want to speculate too much about that, but we should acknowledge that -- unlike many other exchanges in their position -- they made no move to make their customers whole. That's a red flag.

Livecoin only lost $90k to the Monacoin attack. If you add in XMR, the total is still less than $1.9 million.... Not exactly "millions of dollars." Semantics aside, sounds like Livecoin also is blaming Monero devs for a "double counting bug" that was a part of the Monero wallet software. From the Monero reddit:

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My take is that the market doesn't think their XMR wallet is coming back online any time soon. That is why XMR is trading at such a discount on that exchange in both the XMR/BTC pair and the XMR/USD pair. People with XMR on that exchange would prefer to take a haircut and exchange to BTC or USD to withdraw instead of leaving their XMR on that exchanged to be tied up for an indefinite period of time.

Giving their customers a chance to exit their "trash asset" holdings (fake MONA and XMR) for BTC could be construed as a "haircut."

Other exchanges that have given haircuts to funds of all or some of their customers include:

- Bitfinex
- Poloniex
- OKEx
- Coincheck
- DragonEX
- Cryptopia (before its hack)

Its not a great policy but its a pretty widespread one.

One thing I'd like to know that izooomrud never disclosed was when he bought the MONA.

He says the following:

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Last year I bought about 750 MONA coins equivalent 0.3btc on this exchange, which they refused to return to me

0.3 BTC / 750 = 0.0004 BTC. If this was approximately the price he paid for it, it means he bought the coins around June 18th, 2018. This was the first day of 2018 where MONA sank to this price. If the coins were already trading at a discount (impossible to verify because Livecoin's MONA trading history doesn't go back that far), it may have been a week or so earlier, but still well after the attack, and after Livecoin had halted deposits and withdrawals for MONA. Technically he never bought MONA at all, but the "trash asset," non-chain version. So they could NEVER "return" them to him as withdrawals had been suspended the entire time. Admittedly I don't know why they would continue allowing it to be traded other than:

- they wanted to give their holders the ability to exit it for BTC
- they held out hope that they would someday have the MONA to fill user accounts.

As I can't read Russian I also can't figure out the date OP was locked out of his account. Was it very recently? Did he just let the MONA sit in his account the whole time while the Livecoin MONA wallet remained offline?

The entire issue still revolves around 1 person's complaints against Livecoin. Insolvency would likely involve limiting withdrawals across several other coins than just the 2 they have issues with. You can bet far more than one customer would be complaining about it here. Who else commenting in this thread besides OP has been negatively affected by Livecoin?
So now you can steal money from 1 user, is that normal? And after he stops complaining, can you rob the next one? The main thing is not to rob both at the same time, you're just a genius!

Despite you being an uppity, nightmare-type customer, no, I don't think they should lock you out of your funds. But you have to understand they simply can't give you MONA to withdraw, because they don't have it. Sounds like you harped on them for months about this issue, refusing to understand you couldn't withdrawal the MONA - you never could at any point - until they finally became fed up with you.

Who else here feels "robbed" by Livecoin? Anyone? This is the point I've been trying to make all along -- this remains an isolated incident which has received far more attention than it should.

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July 08, 2019, 11:50:00 AM
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It seems like everybody who wished to, has already expressed their opinion on the situation. We would like to put in our two cents, too, and to convey our thoughts on what’s happening.
Instead of trying to resolve the issue through our support service, this user began to blame the Exchange at different forums. He was well aware, that libel and slander is violating terms of services and can lead to blocking of the account.

Пpoшy пpoщeния, чтo пyбликyю нe co cвoeгo aккayнтa т.к пepeживaю зa coxpaннocть ocтaткa cвoиx cpeдcтв, знaя тo, кaк CП oтвeчaeт в тoпикax нe yдивлюcь eгo блoкиpoвкe.
“Sorry that I’m posting it from another account, because I am worried about the integrity of my remaining funds, knowing how the SS (Support service) responses in topics, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is blocked.”

Axaxaxa, зaблoкиpoвaли вce-тaки aккayнт тoлькo чтo, зa выccкaзaннoe мнeниe кaк cпaлилcя нe пoнятнo, кoнeчнo
“Aha-ha, they have blocked my account after all, – and only for voicing my opinion, how I got busted, is not clear, of course”

Even after our support service suggested several solutions of the conflict, namely – removal of slanderous posts, he kept lying further on:

It turned out that they had such a point of the rules

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The Customer guarantees not to disclose any information, obtained from the Service support operator, in any channels of communication. Violation of this rule will lead to the account termination without refunding of the remaining balance of the account.
but before that there was no such point!

so they include another new paragraph of the rules

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The Service reserves the right to change, add or remove parts of these Terms at any time at its sole discretion. The Customer commits to monitor all the amendments made to the present Customer Agreement. Continued use of the Website after the modifications are made would mean that the Customer accepts and agrees with the amendments. The Customer agrees, that all subsequent transactions will comply with these Terms. As long as the Customer agrees with the Terms and any such modifications, the Service grants her/him a personal and non-transferable limited right to log in and use the Website and the Platform

What's going on there?!

This  rule has been in the User agreement from the very beginning, and that user accepted it when he registered at our Exchange.

That’s what has been pointed out to him in the thread.

I just checked the 'wayback machine' website (to see if they actually added that paragraph in the 'Terms' recently) and it seems like that small paragraph has been there for quite a while: https://web.archive.org/web/20181004155211/https://www.livecoin.net/en/useragreement so, i'm not sure what you mean by "before".

As it turned out, Livecoin wasn’t the first Exchange he accused of scam, in his twitter he abused the other exchanges, too:
 
@Izooomrud
 22 Dec 2017
Replying to @hitbtc
Hitbtc = scum!
https://twitter.com/Izooomrud/status/944284509675155456

@Izooomrud
 7 Jan 2018
Replying to @YobitExchange
Yobit cкaм!
https://twitter.com/Izooomrud/status/950110547080605696

@Izooomrud
 9 Jan 2018
@BithumbOfficial what a truble with withdrawals ETH?!
https://twitter.com/Izooomrud/status/950684807905906691

@Izooomrud
 Jun 7
Replying to @hitbtc
you say the same thing, but continue to do nothing, even if you return my funds to me, I have already lost a lot in the fall of the course
https://twitter.com/Izooomrud/status/1137061606020538374

In the beginning we were also inclined to think, that he is just a loser-trader, surrounded by “scam” exchanges only, but his unwillingness to solve the issue, his constant insults, slander – lead to different conclusions.

He himself is not denying that he post a fake information and doing a black PR:

лaднo пpeдпoлoжим, инфopмaция былa лживaя, кaкoй пyнкт пpaвил нa вaшeй биpжe мнe зaпpeщaeт лгaть нa нeё?!
“all right, let’s assume the information is false, but which clause of your Exchange rules says that it is prohibited to defame it?”

Due to difficulties with translation, and probably to stir up sympathy of the community, he posted incorrect translation of his correspondence with the Support service in an English-speaking thread of the forum. For example, the original screenshot shows a notification, that the account has been temporarily frozen (suspended), but he translated it as “blocked”.  There is a tremendous difference between TEMPORARILY suspended and BLOCKED, isn’t it, and we fully understand  the reaction of the community.

Because originally he posted at different forums under different nicknames, some restrictions have been actually imposed on his account, until all his multi-accounts were found out and investigation was made.

Our Support service suggested several solutions of the problem – but he deliberately headed for a conflict, it is obvious out of all his messages, that the funds' withdrawal is not of such an importance for him, the main thing is to black PR our Exchange as much as possible.
We always carry on negotiations with all the violators, as a result, we give an opportunity to withdraw the frozen funds, and only after that the account is completely shut-down.
Nevertheless, in this case, such a large-scale campaign has been launched against our Exchange because of such an insignificant amount of funds, that, apparently, the said user is not seeking to unblock his account, but he makes every effort to keep it blocked for as long as possible, and speculates on that, while continuing to black PR and affront. We are not sure why he is doing that, on his own or at somebody else’s order.

Concerning all the attacks on the User agreement. If you read a User agreement of any exchange, you will find a warning, that cryptocurrency is a high-risk asset, and before making any operations with it (for example buying of toxic assets), it is necessary to study all potential risk, exposures, etc. More to that, the major part of the trader’s job is about the risk analysis, and possible losses are put into the core of the strategy.

Every exchange has certain clauses in its User agreement, fighting libel and abuse against the exchange and its staff. Some exchanges block the account at once without investigation, some (like us) run a conversation and, before blocking the account, try to help to settle the situation, in order to provide an opportunity to withdraw the funds.

It is commonly known, that positive reviews on the internet are quite rare, if a person is satisfied with a service or product – he takes it for granted, and doesn’t visit a forum to give a positive opinion about that. Thant is why we are distressed by the position of some community members, which, even not being clients of our Exchange, instead of looking into the situation as a whole, when saw some false allegations about “groundless” shut-down of the account and “theft of funds” of this user, were ready to support him.

Livecoin has been a member of this forum for many years, we always send the beginners here for guidance, since we are sure that this is the right place where the people can find the information they need and ask questions they have. Yet it makes no sense to block users without any reason and to lock small amounts at their balances. Yes, there always might be some unsatisfied customers, who make mistakes through lack of experience, but instead of trying to analyze them and make conclusions, start blaming everyone else for their failures. Nevertheless, these are only a few, there any many more users successfully trading at our Exchange for years.

Attention! Livecoin exchange is under massive Black PR attack. A lot of accounts spread fake information.
We ask our clients to help us by posting of positive messages or support our Exchange with trust.



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July 08, 2019, 12:06:54 PM
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Let's get to the point, you (livecoin) have his funds and refusing to unlock his account even though you don't have a valid reason. (at least that's how I see it)

Posting a giant wall of text won't change this fact.

The question here is: "WHY?"

Let's move from here.




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July 08, 2019, 12:24:32 PM
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The only winner here is Quickseller. This is exactly what he hoped would happen. Is there any doubt that he wouldn't give two shits about OP's problem if he hadn't been kicked from the Livecoin campaign? He's had this long-running, stupid smear campaign against Hhampuz for quite some time now; I bet he's enjoying every minute of this.

You know I'm not a big fan of Quickseller but him supporting this accusation doesn't make it any less valid. I would prefer him to not use this for personal attacks against Hhampuz, just as I would prefer you to not turn this into a Quickseller conspiracy, but we can't have everything we want, can we Smiley

Attention! Livecoin exchange is under massive Black PR attack. A lot of accounts spread fake information.
We ask our clients to help us by posting of positive messages or support our Exchange with trust.

LOL

As I warned Hhampuz, there is no indication Livecoin is interested in de-escalation. Enjoy the red label.

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July 08, 2019, 01:51:16 PM
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Attention! Livecoin exchange is under massive Black PR attack. A lot of accounts spread fake information.
We ask our clients to help us by posting of positive messages or support our Exchange with trust.

So instead of addressing the issue & making things right, you ask your users to spam, which is against forum rules BTW.

The last time I heard the phrase "Black PR attack" was from the Worldcore scammers, just before they went down. They were Russian too, coincidently.....

Unofficial & Uncensored SYSCOIN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4748031.0    Do not trust Yobit/HitBTC/BiteBTC/coinsbit/p2pb2b/Mercatox/C-cex/Poloniex/WEX/KuCoin/LiveCoin/TheRockTrading/Bitfinex/ADAB/Okex/TradeSatoshi/Gate.io/Changelly/Freewallet.org scam exchanges or ICO's by known scammers like HashCoins/Ambisafe/Bountyhive - they WILL scam you! Use diligence & research. Buy coins, sell coins - don't invest in stupid shit. If your questions aren't answered - don't touch it.
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